OM606 Turbo VS Na INTRO

[@gafrers]

Nice, direct, no crap, no infomercial. Fantastic as always

[@junkyarddawgfixit8970]

Additional comments relating to cars built for USA, 1995 W124 had 606.910 N/A drive by cable engine, early engines had 6mm exhaust valve stems and bolt in oil spray nozzles for piston cooling , later engines had 7mm exhaust valve stems and pressed in piston cooling nozzles, there are engines with 7mm valve stems and bolt in oil spray nozzles due to the modification phase in overlap. 1997 W210 had 606.912 N/A drive by wire (EDC) engine, early engines used a harmonic damper pulley with hardened hub for early rubber style lip front crankshaft seal, later engines used a non hardened balancer hub for use with newer style elastomer front crank seal, all 912 engines had 7mm valve stems and the exhaust valves were not sodium filled. The 912 engine we have has the same casting number on the engine block as our 962 engines and turbo oil feed and return are not machined on the 912 block. 1998-1999 W210 had 606.962 turbo, drive by wire (EDC) engine, all have sodium filled exhaust valves and according to factory documentation the cylinder heads of the turbo engines are heat treated to a higher specification than the N/A heads. These are just a few differences that are not so obvious but can be important depending on what you are looking for.

[@DieselPumpUK]

Also please add where people can find these numbers 606.910,606.912,etc that you mention a few times.

[@ads2955]

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

[@jorgealejandrodigiorno5179]

CUAL ES MEJOR 606 912 1997 o el 606 962 1998,1999 estoy por comprar uno con 75.000km año 1998 turbo diesel es mejor?

[@imbackinthegame3611]

Can you test the NA vs Turbo camshafts on the Dyno and make a Video of the result

[@ThatHoodNiggaBrik]

good idea

[@JoeHeine]

Test the camshafts on the dyno?

[@jt3963]

NA intake camshaft has more lift. Many use that on turbo engine.

[@Diesel8290]

No15 is the strong block, can come in na& turbo, no 12 and no7 is the skeleton block, has a lot less webbing and strength around mains, only in na, not as strong but still does the job for most people.

[@nicolasp7395]

As always great vídeo! More dyno days with all the new setup

[@Mr.Everything___]

Working on my 1998 Mercedes E300 om606 build, all Dieselpump UK parts! HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!

[@micahrlusk]

I plan on doing a boosted NA OM606 into a S13 since the Turbo 606's over here are typically 2-3k whereas a non turbo can be had for 1800 max and as low as 700 bucks or so depending. had many other engine options id like to do (1UZ, M103/104, M119/113/112) but i just love the OM606

[@moto321jake]

This needs to be pinned on the om606superturbo page

[@mplewp]

It would be intresting to see more modern injectors on a na diesel using less fuel but increasing power just by upping the vapourisation

[@user-iq2jd8bd5c]

Love the term manky (w)! Often use it, another excellent informative video and comparison.

[@danfuller2707]

Best in the game you lads love these videos

[@oscargarciahinde4247]

"Because it's closer to God, of course!" HAHA that made me spit my coffee.

[@jedclampett6466]

I really want one of these for my pickup.

[@samswildgarage8805]

always good content thats interesting and clearly explained. thanks man! you make me want to get an OM606

[@downreach5751]

How much power could be expected from a modified NA 606? Curious to see what it could do with your intake manifold and pump and a nice header

[@henryfeige8596]

If you mean all motor that is just dumb because their stuff is for turbo applications but if you mean na-t I have heard that the rods and take 225hp with a manual and 260 with an auto. I hope that answered your question.

[@RandomlnternetGuy]

A lot of people say not t9 go bigger than a k03 or k04 turbo

[@jt3963]

If you change rods to h-profile ones and put 3 layer metal headgasket NA is as good as turbo engine. Na pistons are lighter but not weak.

[@timhugheschiropractor]

Great video! Very informative. Luv you in Canada brother!

[@johnhopkins6260]

Just picked up a '94 E300TD - OM606.910 ("S124"); Monark injectors NLA 🤬... after 640,000 Km (as a Taxi), time for a complete 722.xxx tranny checkup. Due to my long history with Airhead BMW motorcycles, always leaned toward Beemers... then picked up E300 wagon, as a tow car; If Mercedes Benz built motorcycles, I'd own one.

[@peterjohn3180]

Sorry lots of comments The flap in manifold is for tuned length inlet variation/ resonance. At a certain rpm they run better having all 6 connected in plenumnnmnmm and vice versa. It's used on exhausts on some engines in principle..... Yamaha exup. It's used on ford V6 inlets too I believe. I'm so clever, this is why God made me so lazy to compensate.....

[@chrisfleming5109]

You boys need to create a standalone ecu kit to run an om613. Great engine.

[@danielsvamp]

To fix a problem that doesn't exist?

[@bockwurstmensch]

Yes, budget David Tennant at it again!

[@projectv12bmw66]

Good stuff!

[@Snailmailtrucker]

Love your Videos...always Liked..... and Subscribed a while ago. For any of your fans in America...I have one of these OM 606 Turbo engines in a Real nice 1998 E300D that I'm willing to sell for $5000.00....runs great and looks real nice sits on 19" AMG wheels...it's in Oregon and I believe it will last for years...230,000 miles on her

[@brotherlove100]

that was a great breakdown, thankyou

[@planed721]

Thank you, oh 606 lord.

[@supermenthol5531]

Great show ...man

[@seriogamarkovas5407]

needs to be pinned as shrimp said, very valued information, keep us updated with your or whomevers project that is

[@garviere]

I believe the none turbo version was fitted in the w124 series because the turbo wouldn't fit with the steering set up for right hand drive but it did fit in the left hand drive version. That would explain why the blank castings ate there for the turbo bits because it was actually built as a turbo engine but the turbo just wasn't fitted in the right hand drive version.... or maybe I've got that all wrong?

[@DieselPumpUK]

Hmm, my dad used to tell me that story over 25 years ago and I’ve heard it many times since but I have fitted plenty of turbo 606’s to w124 on stock manifolds so maybe it’s an old wives tale???

[@osbberjen]

is the same differemces on a OM605? how mutch hp would a NA OM605 handle?

[@Robdutton91]

Keen to find this out as well. In another video Luke says the 605 will do anything the 606 will, just take 1/6th off. So going off 300hp he says here I’d say probably 250hp is a wise number to shoot for

[@robertwhitehead9270]

How to get 300 horse power reliably from the NA 606 ??

[@danielsvamp]

Turbo, intercooler, dieselmeken

[@fenrir4046]

You've got weird perversion for CAT Yellow but I'm actually started to shift into liking it too. CAT yellow is like a disease far more contagious than corona, lol!

[@davidlabrousse3683]

Im here with you guys i suffered many years from pms Powerstroke moddification syndrome,ive stopped fir the kast 3 years but i think i can have my cake and eat it too Om606 and a pump injestors and a turbo and you dont have to buy more,you dont have to change your tumes all the time and it wint break (they say) yep best of both worlds the only thing ill be mussing is the 4 door 4x4 trailer towing firewood hauling look down into your car from my perch way up herr 6 inch lift in 35s Nut it might be enoughf if i can get a girlie friend to go with driving a car

[@FiglioBastardo]

Bwaaahahahaaa

[@peterjohn3180]

Did you mention ring gaps if you turbo it. Turbo cams often have less duration on either inlet or exhaust ( can't remember) on other makes...... Easy to find out, just fit dial gauge and degree wheel

[@FiglioBastardo]

So what year/make/model Mercedes should I be looking for to find a turbo OM606? I love your channel. It's highly informative and entertaining at the same time. Have a blessed day.

[@alcarez_z]

W210 E300 TURBODIESEL (97-99) W140 S300 TURBODIESEL (97-99) W463 G300 TURBODIESEL (97-01) Or C250 TURBODIESEL (95-01) if Youre pleased with 2,5 L

[@FiglioBastardo]

@@alcarez_z nice thank you!

[@DavidBurgess-captainindustry]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM606_engine Varies slightly from acarez_z's reply. Sometimes differences are regional.

[@FiglioBastardo]

@@DavidBurgess-captainindustry Ah ok very nice to know and thank you too. "All your OM606 belong to us." 😂 I really want one slapped in an older classic truck. Hopefully. Either way this channel and knowledge is fucking great. Have a blessed night.

[@dodipangilinan5156]

@@FiglioBastardo p⁰00pppppppp

[@compu85]

Does the NA606 have piston oil coolers?

[@stevenholland2479]

Yes they have piston cooling the same as turbo engines

[@danielsvamp]

@@stevenholland2479Not the same. The turbo pistons are different, the oil squirters go inside them at BDC. So NA engines have oil squirters, just a different design.

[@tonygoulding9086]

Will the om606 fit on the discovery 2 gearbox casing or have you got to use the Mercedes gearbox

[@zeuberscott2995]

Ive had a look at this as i was thinking about putting one in my d2, he sells an adaptor plate and flywheel conversion kit on the website

[@adventurousairman]

Great stuff

[@tuckerbrown9334]

Super interesting video. Though I find myself in a unique position. I got my motor from a dismantler, and it's a W210 NA model. My buddy also has the same model engine. However, my motor has the turbo valve cover, turbo crank pulley, seems to have the MLS head gasket, and even turbo wiring harness (has an IAT connector). Also have oil squirters in the block, but i hear every W210 NA has those. However, it still came with NA manifolds, the block is not drilled for oil, and it has the factory heat exchanger on the oil filter housing. I really want to know if it also somehow has turbo connecting rods, but do not want to tear down the engine just to find out, and assume it's NA. I'm curious if NA W210 motors also have the 130 bar injectors, and the upgraded vacuum pump.

[@neverendingprojects]

The car likely had engine issues in the past and the previous owners swapped engines, but all that was available was a turbo long block. you can check the numbers on the block to see if it's a turbo motor without tearing into the engine. Its on the block facing the engine it's behind the fuel filter. 606.962 is a turbo and 606.912 & 606.910 are NA

[@tuckerbrown9334]

@@neverendingprojects It's a .912 block. We figured out that 98-99 NA's are essentially identical to turbo models, minus rods n pistons

[@jmyd83]

you said do do 😂

[@cocopublicnews6766]

If the bolt come lose you forgot thread locker mercedes loves it the engineering is ingenious in those engines q

[@nelsonscattabingus5751]

Is it possible to get these engines imported? Does anyone in the states already do this ? It’s one hell of a motor & id love to have a few to build off of !!

[@monikhushalpuri]

Look for w210 e class e300 turbodiesel cars, cheaper to just buy the whole car you find for 1500 bucks if you search around

[@EvolutionAutomotiveLLC]

This is one of the side projects we have going on. It’s funny this video popped up, because we are currently in the process of transferring the EDC pump, manifolds, turbo, and intercooler setup from a 99 E300 into a low mile 96 E300 (we chose 96, as it’s the only year 210 available in the US with a diesel and a 722.4 mechanical transmission, which allows us freedom to swap any transmission we choose without tripping any faults in the ECU).

[@krisgubb]

What’s your opinion on the TDOM602 & TD OM662? What kinda power on stock internals could you make before you break em?

[@stevenholland2479]

You did not mention the 606 does have a oil cooler built into a plate on side of the oil pan but you have changed the oil pan

[@danielsvamp]

Not all models have that

[@vincentpoole7588]

DPUK. Limiting this donk to no more than 278Hp from the flywheel would be ample - depending on the application ! Looking to upgrade the turbine too ? V.

[@jefe1989]

What is the thread pitch of the bung on the OM606 NA oil filter housing? I can’t find this info online, need to make a splitter for oil pressure sender and turbo feed.

[@DieselPumpUK]

M12x1.5 same as your fuel pump banjo bolts

[@lexiss972]

Hi , the om602 2.9 turbo diesel (mercedes classe E290 td w210) is good for tuning? What can i do for more power ? (Sorry for my bad english)

[@DavidBurgess-captainindustry]

Buy all the upgrades on dieselpumpuk.com and install them. It's the best English money can buy.

[@hustl3rterrace262]

I have got the same planning to order a complete engine with manual gear just wondering if my diffs will haddle the power

[@doggedpancake2769]

do om605 next:)

[@garviere]

It might be an old wives tail, but that means “they” didn’t want “us” to have a turbo W124 because there are left hand drive turbo W124s … although thinking about it they are always estates! Go figure!

[@ardittidra7636]

How much preassure can an om606 turbo handle until it brakes? Wanna do an drag car with an om606 and wanna know the limmit how much can i push it. An answer would be very appreciated

[@stalesvindland5101]

At around 5.3-5.4 bar the block will start to fail and a crack parallell to the crankshaft will start to form. I cant remember if this was with or without a girdle plate

[@akoscsikar188]

The blocks are same or different? I have an turbo engine, but the block is disabled. Only the casting is faulty. I thinking i will buy NA block because it is much cheaper, and i will rebuild it with the turbo version parts, if there are the same.

[@akoscsikar188]

I know the oil holes, but any differences?

[@Sammyboy1335]

I have a n/a om606 and my intake is the other one! Also the n/a has a higher compression ratio. I’d say it be better to supercharge the n/and avoid the headache.

[@TheSmile9991]

Will you do it, is it maybe easier to make?

[@Sammyboy1335]

@@TheSmile9991 yes but engine needs rebuild first

[@TheSmile9991]

@@Sammyboy1335 a change head gasket pistons and cilinders are perfect, oil pan was also removed and seald. Intake manifold is cear no flaps vacuum liner or anything, oil vapor plastic pipes removed to oil catch can so inake manifold ready for pressure. Injections from turbo (rebuilded) and 5-6 cyl cooling mod done (plus everything seald all pipes lines o rings and everything)

[@haslotakieo]

You said there was N/A in 1986-1995, and then same engine but 94-96. I'm confused. You meant turbo om606 for w124 in 1994-1996? Great video tho

[@DaniloMarkovic-jz5pk]

He probably meant that there was 3.0 n/a w124s but from 86 to 94 it was om603 and 94 to 96 was om606

[@staywiththefight1]

Awww man, im looking for an engine replacement and 606 would go nicely, how much for an Aussie to get one? :D

[@pauleconomon9056]

How are you going to oil the new style vacuum pump? The old style is oil differently it has a little spray nozzle.

[@maddoxinc1642]

I'm trying to find one in the US to use in a 2013 Tundra. I would like to start with a turbo version from the get go. What year should I look for?

[@zacmoloney9631]

Please come to Australia and put an om606t in my y61 patrol 🤣

[@sredju]

compression ratio?

[@johnmunro8707]

Would the same principle apply to the 5 cyl 2.5 ?

[@lexiss972]

Yes

[@robertczm]

The 5cyl 2.5 is immortal

[@ads2955]

@@robertczm Can you elaborate which one? And how exactly do you mean "immortal"?

[@danielsvamp]

@@ads2955Invincible

[@mihaz583]

Im building 500hp om606 from n/a engine with H rods and turbo pistons. Problem is, i dont know how much power can .910 n/a head handle? Do i need turbo .960 head?

[@vee950]

The heads the same but if your going with those pistons you will have to have that block bored. Only difference in the head is valve spring but the N/A head I heard is better

[@TheSmile9991]

So what i need to make proper daily driver turbo 606.910 with around 190-210hp

[@jubiletabustamanteserrano2446]

Alguna recomendación para potenciar un motor mercedes 603/912

[@nicosanto1466]

Are the crank shafts the same?

[@danielsvamp]

yes

[@mochabear88]

neat

[@marcofloresmfcs1]

How to you prime diesel fuel on a 1993 300D?

[@luismonrroy6314]

Donde puedo adquirir repuesto para motor diésel om606 sin turbo el serial del bloque R606 011 15 01

[@АлексейБогачёнок-ю7ш]

Hello, tell me the cost of a fuel pump with enlarged plunger pairs on Om 606

[@Will_14_years_ago]

I have a na om606 in my cosworth w201 the oil pan has something bolted to the right hand side with two pipes coming from it. Don't know what it is? Any suggestions.

[@DieselPumpUK]

It’s the oil cooler, those pipes are water feeds

[@Will_14_years_ago]

Man thank you for the quick reply you are amazing!!

[@tonydiesel3444]

Na head the same as turbo?

[@jusepw202_6]

What can I do to upgrade my om604 pump

[@beastman.330]

What is the best gearbox to use for big turbo power.

[@petedoherty6041]

hi can u put the 606 in a fwd transit to get rid of that ford euro 5 engine

[@tylershenenberger8112]

Could you just pro charge a na because there isn't any turbo oil feed line so it would make it easier??? Food for thought I doubt you'll see this cause its 4 months old but o well

[@danielsvamp]

Someone didn't watch the video.

[@didzisbilinskis8312]

now all the pieces what you need to turbo an NA 606

[@777xpressmusic]

Raksti garagify instagramā😉

[@danielsvamp]

Exhaust manifold, turbo, boost pipes, oil lines, plugged intake manifold and preferrably an intercooler. If you want any power with that, an injection pump that can deliver more fuel.

[@alexrakos9651]

How much u charge to do a swap 606 into a defender?

[@br1xh527]

Have u got a turbo one for sale ?

[@vladkruglov7719]

How to fit om648 direct injection to a om 606?

[@tonydiesel3444]

Yep

[@denzel_2379]

Ты крутой Хотим тюнинга этого мотора

[@FrmerK20]

What is the injection pressure on these engines?

[@robertczm]

150bar

[@dieselmats]

@@robertczm That is the opening pressure of the injectors. The injection pressure can be anything above that.

[@Cheese_1337]

@@robertczm not 135bar?

[@m.a.s.a.8717]

You can turbo it but it's alot of work and I don't think its Worth it

[@TheOnlyKontrol]

A lot of work for someone who doesn't know what they are doing

[@DrCrunkMusic]

Do these 606s like nitrous?

[@КаюмовМашхур]

Друг сколько стоит это мотор месте с каропкой

[@MrMicke1969]

😂😂🤣🤣👍👍👍

[@rise_1974]

It's wonderfully attractive, do you have any business partners in Japan?

[@Dickatchu]

Would a turbo head gasket fit om606 n/a engine?

[@beautgrainger147]

On edit, I reverted back to OEM after a bit. I put a 605 turbo gasket on my 602.. thought they were just different materials. The 605 to 602 needed a bit of modification in the form of some extra holes drilling and deburring.

[@V8freaks]

@@beautgrainger147 how is the mls gasket sealing so far? Did you had to resurface the head/block? Did you use glue/sealant like Loctite, etc? Marlon

[@beautgrainger147]

@@V8freaks well, I put one on but after a bit of time had passed, wasn't happy with it. Ultimately, upon replacing the MLS, I realised why.. the cylinders were sealed fine but oil and coolant was slowly mixing. I hadn't realised that there's a small step in the block at the timing chain end - I suspect it's designed to require less gasket compression and therefore less clamping force by the smaller fasteners around that end. The gasket needs a few extra holes along it's length, which isn't much hassle, but the step on the block is. Maybe you could seal around that end, or add a layer of shim steel to make up the missing height. I've therefore reverted to the OEM HG. The car is my daily driver, so I couldn't spend ages removing the engine and modifying the block.

[@V8freaks]

@@beautgrainger147 Thank you for your detailed answer, Sir!

[@sacasanova]

Thank you for this video. I am about to buy a 1999 E300. I plan on putting the om606 in my 1976 Corvette.

[@brianhoffman4198]

Please post updates

[@gaspdahl1]

Very interesting! But honestly, a european 3,0 liter diesel in a Chevrolet Corvette? Isn't that a little bit too far? Of course, when it comes to diesel, Mercedes are the best, no doubt. But Chevrolet Corvette stands for something so different from that. An american V8 icon. Just a reflection. But on the other hand, could be a rare, very nice car with power and fuel economy all in the same time! 👍

[@sacasanova]

@@gaspdahl1 I was going to put a GM 6.5L diesel in it but they weigh around 1000lbs. The OM606 is half the weight and can make twice the power. Putting in a lighter engine and a 5 speed will make it handle better and the mpgs will be off the chart. The Vette is lighter than the W210 E300s.

[@gaspdahl1]

@@sacasanova Obviously, you know what you're doing! Good luck, your car is gonna be great! 👌

[@asdfghjklkjhgfdsa69]

Worth it for uniqueness alone. Plus you'll have the purists foaming at the mouth with rage!

[@dexdex6408]

This guy is a hidden gem, and his knowledge is precious.Thanks for everything 😉

[@1XSTEALTHTWINTURBOX1]

I wish I could buy cars from this guy. I really want a nice screamer Diesel from him. Sucks I am in USA. I have 92 2.5L 300D Turbo I absolutely love 380K Miles

[@DavidBurgess-captainindustry]

They ship overseas. Your om602 would tune up nicely.

[@dieselgeezer18]

make a performance N/A OM606. I know it wont make much power, but why not try and see how far you can take it :)

[@Robdutton91]

I’d be interested in this too. NA diesels intrigue me

[@rabihavi8062]

hold my 606

[@alvarito123rs]

That 606 is from a w210... the first generation w124 has the oil cooler in the crankcase... I'm telling you from experience, and it has a mechanical pump. That motor in the video surely had electricity

[@sdkreviewdz]

No one is closer to god ...god is the greatest 🙌... and we are all slave for his majesty and glory...but instead of we can be near to god if we believe on god and do what god order us to do it 🙏 alhamdo li allah

[@peterjohn3180]

I wonder if you could build an engine that could cope with high rpm internally and tune it like a man petrol with cams, gas flowed head, exhaust etc ..... have a pump with no governor. 300 degree cam?! Also have you ever experimented with different pump cam profiles?

[@micahrlusk]

could you run the oil return into the valve cover? i've seen some people do that with some stuff, since its easier to pull a valve cover than a oil pan lol

[@SKOMPAS]

I watched the whole video looking find out what’s the difference in the fuel pumps! Didn’t even touch on it

[@MikeyB_1972]

Take a democratic vote with your wife and daughter. See what they say.

[@bassstudent4life]

Is this engine too big to fit into an FJ Cruiser?

[@wretchedrider2157]

Just curious... My non turbo 606-powered E300 w210 Mercedes has an owners manual which does not specify the Mercedes spec number for oil. Thoughts on which Mercedes oil spec or at least proper viscosity and type (synthetic?). Cheers from across the pond!!

[@danielvaz431]

Mas Boost on a na engine ? 1 bar ??? Theo same for om604 2.2 ?

[@bismuth2887]

This one is gold! Thank you so much!

[@shaunrokear7365]

So what is a power level of a om606 plus t? 300hp?

[@danielsvamp]

There isn't one power number. It all depends on how much fuel and boost you have. Up to 1.5 bar boost is probably safe on stock NA rods. Some Finnish people say they bend at 1.7 but I don't think there is any proof of that.

[@fenrir4046]

1995-> Ford Scorpio(bugeye) actually had similar "twin scroll" inlet manifold, they called it "Variable Intake System" and it was fitted to detuned version of RS2000-16v Escort engine featured on Scorpio. It was wanky feature. It would pull at very low rpm, then it would flatten a bit by 2700rpm, before amazing kick at a bit over 2700rpm when the flap moved. Like a turbo, without turbo 🤣😂 Wanky intake sounds also 🤣

[@magnusenamd]

this engiens comes 1993 and not1995. Me has 1993 whit this engines.Big dream get turbo on it.