Rolex vs Omega. Rolex DateJust or Omega Constellation from the 1950s to the 1970s?

[@juanmanuelflorezviol]

I had always wanted a steel pie pan no date constellation, i finally got it (has very heavy patina) and i must say that was easier for me to find a nice datejust than a nice pie pan. I loved your video, thank you!

[@sebastienfoucart3246]

I prefer Omega Constellation, one of my grail watch. Great video. Omega Enthusiast is really the best channel about vintage watches by far.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Many many thanks my friend.

[@peterrumpelmayer457]

What about 168.019 calibre 751? I think they were released in 1966 (1967 at latest) and were made well into the '70s. The 751 movement added a day complication to the 564. There were also a number of case designs including an integrated bracelet version (168.045)

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

751 is an excellent caliber. You can learn its history here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmilmIeia7eFobM

[@jaygee6606]

Thanks!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

WOW! Thank you so much for the generosity and support!

[@HenriqueSantos-pe4nk]

Thanks for the video. Very informative. I do copy your tables and try to include more information. It is great way to organize scatterd information.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Great stuff! Copying down the chart is a great idea!

[@classicinvestmentwatches676]

Wonderful video! What is the book you have in the vid? It seems to be a helpful one. We may appreciate such a thing as fellow Omega collectors.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

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[@paulaadams5217]

So good this video 👍

[@BenNS1971]

Incredibly interesting video!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@jadedarby7290]

Very informative and great wisdom on Rolex/Omega. Owning a sub and lv it, Omega's style has grab me and have many more on my bucket list then Rolex. OE, thanks for your time in putting your videos out.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

You're welcome. Only took me two days to complete this video. haha. Many thanks for the support as always.

[@chriskammerer221]

Great info!

[@johnireland1629]

Great information...I love both makes and you have made it easier to chose based on the generation.

[@mickeyx6746]

Thank you! As always this video was enlightening and educational! Excellent!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Glad to hear that. :)

[@theeverydaywatchcollector8036]

Great detailed video! Very helpful for those interested in vintage pieces

[@marcoschmidt1975]

Amazing video!! I really enjoyed it.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you so much! I know a lot of people will just call out what they like and assume it is the better watch. Wished it was that simple, then I would not need to spend 2 days making this video.

[@johnpinner1]

Both are great watches and I own both

[@oakleyjack7600]

Do you mind sharing where you buy most of your straps.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

I supply these straps. Some are handmade at the shop as well.

[@muffemod]

Well done.

[@millersciencesms762]

Informative video. Do you have any experience with the Universal Geneve microter movements from the 1960's?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

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[@millersciencesms762]

Thank you very much. Can I send you pictures of my late father in laws watch dials and movements? Sat in a drawer for decades. Got it overhauled. Clean dial. Working fantastic. Thought you might like to see it. I'm very proud of it.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Sure! Welcome to share. My email is [e-mail]

[@millersciencesms762]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel Great I'll send them tomorrow.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

No rush, I get a ton of email messages each day from clients already.

[@raymction947]

Omega pie pan is a good looking watch. Also the Rado golden horse with a beveled dial looks similarly stunning. Both sports the rice bead bracelet.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

My dad used to have a Rado in the 70s.

[@styx4947]

Look at the polish on the rotor of the cal. 501. or 504.

[@IlluminatingWatches]

Cool video. I’m more superficial and just think that the pie pan dial is way cooler so would go for the omega just on that (I know I’m terrible)

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Actually Rolex 160# dial has a slight pie pan to it as well. Haha

[@Omega30t2RG]

Excellent video and explanation. Was the Rolex 15** series movements built in response to Omegas 500 and 550 family movements? I'm guessing watch brands develop and release movements in response to their main competitors technology? Not sure if it's a coincidence,but I believe the 500,550 family and Rolex 15*** movements are 28.5mm diameter.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

I agree that watch brands must develop and release movements in response to their main competitors' technology. If this is true, Rolex took it to the next level with its 15## series compared to Omega's 55#/56#, even though the 55#/56# calibres are already ahead of their innovation.

[@frankp2725]

Please take more time ☺️ explaining caliper # of watchs as for me is not so yes to follow , after all you are doing great job explaining tank you very much

[@pedroazcorra9053]

Soy fan tuyo. Pero ayudaría mucho hacer el canal o traducirlo al español 🙏🏼

[@frankylennonlin]

You're the best!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

🙏😊

[@Archer335]

Well-done. Valuable knowledge. Also, Rolex has been closing parts accounts with independent watchmakers, which is not necessarily good for the consumer.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you for the comment. Actually, Omega does the same thing. They even requested all international Omega AD repair shops + Swatchgroup to return all vintage watch parts to Switzerland.

[@Archer335]

Omega Enthusiast, I had no idea. That’s okay though. I’m still an Omega man.

[@yesplease9021]

Awesome video/watches. Glad to know the 1950’s .351 constellation that I have is from the “best” decade for them!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

You mean 354 right?

[@paulaadams5217]

When my watch needs service or replacement parts I will ask your advice. I have a 1958 seamaster 501 . I live in QLD Australia

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Unfortunately, I only service the watches I have for sale or pieces purchased from my website.

[@paulaadams5217]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel that is understandable,i am loving your hard work on your videos 🌻👍🇦🇺

[@rbruce63]

Indeed the bumper caliper on the Constellation is better looking than the Rolex! One day, one day!

[@garyboyle695]

The better watch is the one you feel a connection too, be it the Rolex or Omega. Rolex make good watches but I could never own one as they just feel cold and sterile to me, as if designed by an accountant rather than someone with a passion for watches.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Fair enough. Appreciate for your comment. This is a question that many of my followers have repeatedly asked as they are unsure which is the better watch to buy.

[@MrSwift05]

Did the OMEGA Seamaster ever come with a Exacto Golden Lion 21 Jewels (manual)

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

No.

[@Karol235]

Definitely OMEGA! 3035 is really good BUT very expensive. you can have few great constellations for one 3035 Regards Karol

[@JEDIMasterVanDer]

"Full Set", no less? So it'll be a "Full Set", so you say. Well. That is just... so... logical, orderly, harmonious. Whole. In a word? Perfect. A vintage Omega Full Set, expressed in terms horological: perfection embodied.

[@user-zv6ee7jx8q]

Amazing video. Which book is the one in the start of the video 0:42

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Hi, I’ve made a video recently about these books. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6axqKKuoJ6KnJI

[@user-zv6ee7jx8q]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel Superb. Thanks a lot

[@1urbanbaker]

Vintage "Connie" ❤️

[@lucaiannuzzi8988]

The best is Omega 564, imho

[@brunonjezic6208]

I thought swan neck regulator is a big plus on Omega to get more precission and better keeping that precission in case of the shok

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

accuracy is one thing, durability is one thing. Swan neck regulator makes regulating easier and more precise.

[@brunonjezic6208]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel oh so it doesnt influence keeping the accuracy if watch gets strong bump at all? I thought it is also holding the tuning point of regulator with a screw and pressure of the spring as oposit rather than having only friction fit. Thanks for a note

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Oops, sorry I didn't see this until now. Well, you're correct as well. With the screw and pressure from the swan neck, the pointer will not shift. But then a proper fitted non-swan neck regulator will not shift either from a strong bump though. I find that the only benefit on a swan neck is the screw which allow you to slowly regulate/shift the pointer.

[@qazifaisal5]

I will go with omega over Rolex everytime. Rolex Is more of a flex watch omega is a watch collectors watch.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

🤫 me too

[@bigmak8389]

I really like the Constellation but I found the case is a bit too small for men in modern standard. While Rolex case is small, the lugs add up extra width to the overall look.

[@bigmak8389]

Btw, very good video. Thanks!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Many thanks! About the case sizes, there are Jumbo Constellation throughout the 1950s and 1960s as well. Larger than a DateJust! Watch this video if you get the chance to: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHuxqGiud9eZiMk

[@bigmak8389]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel Yeah, that case design is bigger. The “frog” leg (like the one in this video) is a bit small.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Oh yea, the dog leg or frog leg Constellation is only 34mm. A small watch for anyone with larger size wrist that's for sure.

[@bigmak8389]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel What is the book you referenced in the video?

[@erth2man]

The Omega movements in the 70s probably took a reduction is quality due to the tuning fork/quartz movement revolution. Of course this effected the entire luxury watch industry greatly and I suspect that Omega was still trying to offer a competitively price product. Rolex likely decided to use a different marketing strategy. This of course is only my suspicion based on what I observed. Please feel free to add or correct with any thoughts you might have.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

For sure. Rolex did come out with their Oyster Quartz line as well. But was short lived and now are probably the most collectible vintage quartz watches.

[@artblend4278]

Very interesting. I'm more omega but I must say these cases style by rolex are so well designed. Movement wise is it true that the hairspring on 1570 and 3035 are glued to the cock (or whatever part) and not welded? thank you

[@musliselmani3994]

Rolex watch 👍❤️

[@maeda1224]

Which book is this? I see Japanese and English but seems like the main language of this book is Japanese. Thanks.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Hi, I’ve made a video recently about these books. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6axqKKuoJ6KnJI

[@styx4947]

Bitcoin? Are you serious? Look at those watches! I don't know how the he'll I missed this channel so long. Faulty KZbin algorithm I guess. Please, do more of these comparison videos. Any brands. Thank you

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Haha, thanks man. Appreciated. Hopefully one day this channel can become more popular. It will help many watch collectors and hobbyists.

[@rbf100]

Up until 1970 Omega was superior. With the introduction of 10 series movement in 1970's Omega lost its ascendancy and Rolex was better.

[@bobechs7234]

Why pretend the cal.751 and 752 Omega Constellations never existed?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

What do you mean? 751 is a day date equivalent of a 564 with just date or 551 without date. So they are in the same category. So no one is pretending it doesn’t exist. Also, caliber 752 is not a chronometer movement. Any constellation watch using a caliber 752 is a made up piece.

[@zillsburyy1]

OMEGA!!!!! rolex sucks. they were still using stamped clasps when for years OMEGA was using milled steel. twice beautiful and half the price. also better history and innovation

[@MrSwift05]

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[@DavidUKesb]

Datejust must be the most stupid name for a watch ever.

[@funfunyo7523]

Them rolexs are cringe

[@edouble7843]

Omega is much better looking and every bit as good or better. For the money...OMEGA.