Omen of Destruction Land Battle/Conquest Tierlist!

[@Kalakakku_]

Not streaming the tierlist to your guest so you can put the factions where ever you want was a genius move

[@seanwikman6185]

Tequila is a top guest, glad to see him here 💪

[@rocketroux5838]

WORST TIER LIST EVER ! (I am 15 sec in, might update comment later)

[@RPGLegacy997]

Awful tier list obviously.

[@heisunburger]

It is kinda annoying how Bretonnia keeps taking nerfs after nerfs, even though they already have one of the smallest and most limited rosters in the game. Right now their roster is carried by their archers and royal hippos. The grail knights now feel very bad to use after their hp nerf and they lose to a lot of other factions' elite cav. Questing knights are just as bad as before. Knights of the realm are pretty cost effective, but they don't win you games by themselves, and they lose to mid tier cav such as cold one knights who got huge buffs. And you are not even allowed to ask for buffs to the terrible infantry options like foot squires and battle pilgrims, because "Bretonnia is supposed to have bad infantry". They desperately need a dlc, but it will never happen because the playerbase, CA and GW hate Bretonnia...

[@teddyspaghetti2858]

I enjoy Bretonnia, but yeah, their limited roster is a big issue. They got a decent amount of love in the update where they gave them the knights and peasant buff effect, but they definitely need a handful of units. It doesn't even really need to be anything that drastically changes their playstyle- their faction resolves around cav and supporting that cav. But a little variety would go a long way.

[@aziouss2863]

Meanwhile 2 gnoblars in a trench coat have a charge bonus of 50+... NOW those are the real cavalry!

[@oddiethefox5832]

I hate the idea of Bretonnia (I basically mean their lore, how their nobles suppress information to keep peasants stupid so basically Bretonnia lacks innovation) but who doesn't like good ol' fashioned medieval knights? Unfortunately games that get worked on for an extended period of time with regular dlc drops always run into the issue of power creep and outdated mechanics/factions. The newer the dlc that gets dropped, the older everything else gets basically lol. Personally, I strongly desire an update to Norsca. Their campaign is so brutally boring despite the potential with Wulfrik's lore and the region in general.

[@teddyspaghetti2858]

@oddiethefox5832 Yeah I agree with all of that. Norsca still only has three lords, one of which is a generic and none of which are a spellcaster lmao.

[@thibautl334]

@@teddyspaghetti2858 they have very little in terms of supporting their cavalry. A limited roster should have a variety of abilities, combos, etc. Also, the player base should be more careful when complaining about small rosters, because there is no redundancy to over-nerfs

[@ladiesman5801]

More collabs with tequlia! Love both your channels!

[@fiveforbiting]

Tequila Sunset sounds like a decent guy. I don't appreciate it. I want to feel a sense of superiority, so I listen to HBYY.

[@navox933]

I knew the tier list in the thumbnail was bait, so we would click faster. Well played

[@austinkoepp1409]

Well, if you put the real tierlist there it's spoilers

[@gingersroc]

Having TequilaSunset as a guest was the best decision of this video.

[@eumaies]

Haven’t watched this yet but the thumbnail is genius.

[@Selakah]

Glad to see Dwarfs are every bit as oppressive in Multiplayer as they are in Single Player Campaign. I don't think there is a more miserable faction to fight against.

[@MrEddieLomax]

When every battle descends into an endless fight waiting for 100 strong units to be reduced to 5 before they break......even a victory is a defeat because there is nothing left.

[@Grivehn]

I long for the days when they were considered the worst faction in MP back in wh2. A faction which should get overrun by mass infantry/cav/monsters/chariots which tarpit their ranged, but then they just outlast literally everything. Campaign though, they cancer either way. They have so many economy buffs and potential, only Franz confeding the whole Empire can rival them. I dread and loathe facing dwarfs for years in campaign, even back in wh2. Not sure I should be glad ppl are catching up, because it shouldnt have happened.

[@christianlangdon3766]

@Selakah funny thing is after the dlc it was way worse. Playing as arenessa, early game vc vs an army of flame drakes is just so silly bad. I had to bloat ambush to kill his armies even than I was setback a load of turns to the point when orcks came a knocking it was pretty close to me losing the game in recent memeory.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

1:06:05 SHORT!? *HEAVY BREATHING* NOW YOU LISTEN HERE YOU MA- "Dwarfs are the best faction in the game" ... You are lucky you are adorable manling.

[@kevingriffith6011]

30:49 Obviously they decided on Tamurkhan's mass in an early build of the DLC, then they decided later to add the ogre to him but forgot to update his mass accordingly.

[@Fireball_Phoenix]

I love watching these! It’s great being able to just listen and have a sense of how factions play in the current meta and what you can expect from them. Love seeing folk feel good about WE!

[@keropnw3425]

CA please please buff all variants of dragon ogre. Warriors of Chaos are suffering in the pits when their iconic 'monsterous cav' that should be strongest in game are so bad.

[@keropnw3425]

This also makes it so WOC buffs don't make any of the monogods OP bc they are all borderline.

[@keropnw3425]

Dragon ogres and Shaggoths could literally be cracked at current price and it would make WOC B or low A tier. Kholek probably just needs some health.

[@keropnw3425]

Rot knights and bile trolls could use some more buffs too.

[@keropnw3425]

So many factions being in A tier means the balance has gotten a lot better though. But the dragon ogres being bad when they need to be amazing or at least great to make WOC work has been a major problem forever.

[@nailigniststarzear6689]

Daemon of chaos is wild card...you can't predict all their combination of unit

[@yidingliu8663]

I didn't know Harrier du Bois play Total War.

[@shiggydiggy6847]

I find this notion of empire being bad against monstrous units a bit baffling. They can just go for triple war wagon double engineer to kite most of that stuff to death. War wagons got their mass buffed to 2k with the chariot standardization, I won't try to oversell them, but they can do decent charge damage into low mass infantry. Seeker and raptor cavalry buffs made empire knights a lot squishier relatively speaking, but then they can just build around their 350 gold 42MD spearmen to tank charges.

[@Payythakidd]

They aren’t that good dude just cause you don’t play any other campaign besides Carl Franzs don’t mean they are nearly the best in the game there not even close skaven are better khorne is better dwarfs are better etc

[@Payythakidd]

I could keep going high elves would smoke them they are b tier tops dude

[@thomasthefascisttankengine4694]

@payythakidd if you think Skaven beats empire then your opinion doesn't mean much

[@heisunburger]

​@@Payythakidd this is a pvp land battle tier list, this is not a campaign tier list

[@betrayer1350]

Bloodbeasts are an A+ or even S tier monstrous inf. They have high speed, decent armor, and a good spread of stats. Yeah, the MD is a little low, but you should be able to avoid any fights for the most part where they aren't able to leverage screening inf or are getting a flank, or its the kind of fight where they can just kill the enemy too fast for it to matter. I've seen them almost 100 - 0 a marauder horseman of TZ in 10 seconds. They have insanely good animations. I'm not sure how anyone can be saying they are bad. They are excellent. The only reason to take Minos is for the GW variant because you expect to have to really grind against some large targets. Otherwise, you get a lot more value per gold spent out of bloodbeasts.

[@morderkaih]

My two go-to WH3 content creators! Nice.

[@olafthemoose9413]

Slaanesh is very underrated. You have so many good MUs and so many playable MUs (and then a couple MUs are just doomed but that's the slaanesh way. People were meming on the burning chariot a lot but he was a fine unit ever since exated flamers got their missile buff the chariot has been useable. Very micro intensive but useable. And then they got back to back 2 big buffs

[@borgCube100]

I feel like the High Elves don't NEED anything new to boost them unit-wise, I just feel like their stats and mechanics sorta just need touched up to date to be not OP, just decent?

[@christianlangdon3766]

@@borgCube100 honeslty this, dark elves and high elves have diverse rosters already, but their fundamentals can be touched up on and made better. So that that they stand out in a reasonable way.

[@borgCube100]

@@christianlangdon3766 That's exactly it. Tww2 had Swordmasters at the end be the best anti-infantry infantry and SOA's one of the best ranged units. Whilst they never got a de-buff in Tww3, they became almost mid-tier (tho still strong). This is due to every new faction and DLC having such stronk units they have got left behind by quite a bit. I tend to ramble - but as you said, they don't even need to really get stronger, just something to stand out. SFO had SOA's get "banish" which reduced resistances and such on their arrows, and even a like 5% bonus damage to forces of Chaos would make them stand out. Or Swordmasters getting magical attacks, making it so they still lose to chosen, but give extra flexibility. They'd function the same against everything without ethereal or PR. Anyway, happy holidays.

[@betrayer1350]

Bolt throwers need a universal buff across the board for one. They're pretty bad on every faction they exist. They lack the accuracy of cannons and the AOE of catapults. Of course, the elves have their unique scattershot, and that should be changed imo to a more blunderbuss style weapon where it really shortens the range but has insane damage per volley. But the default shot that all the bolt throwers have, whether it be Dwarf, GS, or Elf, needs an accuracy buff. Dwarf and Elf bolt throwers especially should basically never, ever miss unless a player is actively dodging shots.

[@christianlangdon3766]

@techelitesareadisease8816 no thanks I feel you forgot that dwarven bolt throwers when at their max was a hella toxic strategy. To make them never miss would be just silly. Granted I do see the need to buff them, honestly one of things they should have is better range vs the other options so they have greater target ability, and have a chance to do something before they get dived.

[@betrayer1350]

@@christianlangdon3766 They should absolutely be hitting the vast majority of their shots. No use in taking them otherwise, if they can't even reliably hit large targets.

[@Harisankar.P]

I feel like khorne is tough for tequilla because he plays HE and Lizards

[@rubz1390]

What's this ellips thing TequilaSunset talks about?

[@TequilaSunsetVids]

It’s an under the hood thing to do with the shape of the models. Some cavalry in this game used to have a capsule shape but got changed to ellipse recently. And what that did was help them on the charge cause more models are making contact which means more damage. Especially against infantry on the charge.

[@rubz1390]

@TequilaSunsetVids Thanks

[@SonofKiernan]

LaQueefaSunset has had some very fun replays lately ❤️ As has Human Fella of course 💪🏼

[@MenwithHill]

I'm so sad about the chaos dwarfs - they have what I think is not really debatable as the best campaign in TW:W and they should really be an interesting faction to fight but instead they are limited to pure cheese. They really need to be looked at and overhauled for multiplayer.

[@betrayer1350]

big problem is that the hobgoblin cav is so weak. Low tier skirmishers especially are super weak in the meta rn. GS suffers from a similar issue where all the light skirm cav may as well not exist. Late stage game 2, GS skirm was king. If CD could reliably trade well with hobgoblin skirmish cav, it'd open up the build options so much. As it is, CD basically surrenders the mobility game and invests really hard into SEM weirdness or mass gunlines

[@contrariancodex8038]

Great list and Skaven mains eating good indeed

[@Grivehn]

My takeaway from this is that LB and Dom balancing got closer this patch. Turin's crew was on the bum of Wood Elves and Slaanesh in particular for a hot minute now. Though, personally, in Dom mobility is king, so they should remain strong. Its not slow-ass Coast and Nurgle who should be top tier in Dom (and they are not). Anyhow. Overall the pvp scene seems to be in one of the best state it was in so far. (Saying it as a viewer, not a player.) Order got nerfs, baddies caught up a bit. Elves overall will hopefully get something next dlc, but Im sure Wood elves wont, so they should get minor nerfs at most, like what happened to Durthu. Vampire Counts in particular will surely get something with Nagash. And Norsca surely will get a dlc, theyre the only WH1 faction which didnt. So Im not worried about those two either. (*inhales hopium.) If only Dwarfs didnt exist, it would be a relatively happy family. One of the dying races, costing less than elves for same or more stats and way more hp. *Balanced.* Not to mention the Chorfs who pay extra (they still do? Im not sure) for the SAME units. Then theyre just broken. Whether its blasting charges, gyros, slayers or their bonkers ranged of just about any variety, they both deal insane damage whilst being tanky and fighting to the last dwarf. I wont even talk about the Barge, but not just that, Dawi as a whole deserve to get banned every single stream.

[@christianlangdon3766]

@Grivehn somthing to consider with turins grp is there is a dark horse in Dom for every faction, so when they get buffed the master returns to it and beats the crude out of everyone. Wood elves have been really strong since their buffs to some of the ranged units like 4 months ago.

[@betrayer1350]

Yeah dwarfs have just become disgusting throughout game 3. They've become more and more idiot-proofed as time has gone on. The hero cheese they can do alone is utterly cancerous to the game. People have to build with the explicit knowledge that they may have to deal with a trio of infantry sized characters killing hordes and hordes of your forces, who are basically impervious to missile damage. And will get healing through Felix. Its beatable but its completely stupid and has zero skill expression in terms of building an army or piloting one.

[@Faust64]

Wouldnt change much ti be honest. BM are A tier ino. Otherwise I would shuffle the order within the tiers but not change them. Good list 👍

[@emultra759]

I said right away that Witchbrew would be a good replacement for the rampage. People were pessimistic, but look at it now!

[@MrCasualIsHere]

NORSCA S TIER LETS GOOO

[@KaijuARG]

after watching the list, i only change some thing, khorne is A tier, Gran cathay is C tier and WoC are D tier

[@WriterMcWriteface]

This list is decent, apart from all of the lies.

[@gladish6]

Slaanesh more like C, Charfes more like B and sallright

[@Butcherbird9]

This tierlist is the least accurate I have ever seen without being a shitpost

[@DevilsDisciple]

Thunderbarge in QB. Opinion invalid 😂

[@SonofKiernan]

Which stuff you moving around? Besides EMP S obviously

[@residentfacehead3465]

He got baited by thr thumbnail

[@Butcherbird9]

LM WE TZ GS should be lower, OK should probably be S tier (although A isn’t ridiculous), KH KS BR WC NRS and VC all need to go up a tier. And that’s not going into ordering. @SonofKiernan

[@joeday9984]

Yes! Finally you accepeted the truth: You are not a good Player at all 🎉. But you are still my favourite cc and I love you for that.❤

[@rageworthy7355]

Stat cards on Khorne units are goofy because they have nerfed MA+MD to account for frenzy but then the low leadership and then the leadership buff so charges and infantry mess them up but they hit hard before they go away. Spamming gors to counter large is viable but just use chaos war halberds if the build can spare the funds.

[@killaen4112]

Supreme bald faction is d tier? You are a crazy man, the best faction in the game by far. CA please buff baldies

[@teddyspaghetti2858]

Five comments in fifteen minutes bro fell off.

[@KaosKrumpin-f6h]

Khorngors are a bug that will be removed in tthe next patch, man im used to this - oh well. Hey theres still alittle room in the corner of the WoC fan camp if youd like to shit all over that too. At least ColdOne knights and witch elves got a mention, really solid units that i dont heart enough about. Really good interview thogh,your the only 2 i really pay attention to about units these days. Thankyou!! also - the graphics here they got to be RoR right? so much talent makes he makes me want to puke.

[@pcyxishw]

Do these chaps ever use anything over Tier 2 units, with a max cost of about 900g, with maybe a lord that costs about 1,5k. Its like they ignore like 60% of the entire roster, focusing on just spamming mass chaff, and then complain when a single 'elite' unit does ok. I think MP needs a lot more build diversity then just mass chaff spam, with cheap generic, boring-ass lords. They keep talking about all these amazing elite, 'abusive' builds that I guess theretically exist. But I struggle to remember ever seeing many of these in any of their casts (Huboy, Turin, Dav), 90% of which is low-armour chaff grinds. Ironically enough the most OP units in the last patch seem to be chaff (Piggy-backs and Khongors). MP needs lot more highrisk/high reward elite unit usage!

[@austinkoepp1409]

High elves having been using imrik on his dragon and the fireborn for almost a year now. Bretonnian meta has been grail knights for about a year and a half. Khorne relies on minotaurs which are 1.3k gold. Elite infantry hasnt done great in a while but the new khorne infantry are actually slapping fools right now

[@BlaqueNyte]

Elite dont generally get much use unless a certain niche needs to be filled eg. phoenix guard into certain match ups for high elves , star chamber guardians for lizzy boxes or defensive builds but there is normally a game plan behind fielding them, you cant jutst field elites willy nilly unless you have a way to safely get them saturated into combat or shielded from being just straight nuked because why wouldnt you nuke an elite slow moving inf unit when you can? and again this is all related to elite INF because a lot of people bring elite cav/mass or ranged. Prime example is white lion inf, atm they are just a waste of 800 gold because a fair bit of tier 2 INF will beat them and even tier 1 can hold them in place long enough for mass or ranged to hurt them enough for them to essentially lose viability

[@pcyxishw]

@@austinkoepp1409 Minos with Khone was one of the few exceptions (TK cats being another) I could point to, being Tier 4-5 units that are pretty ubiquitous. Though I would argue that they were kind required, given how middling the Khorne cavalry was. Fireborn are used a lot only because they are that good, and thanks the gods for that! Even now most HE builds that I see from the sweaty players are just a spear wall with archers, a generic caster (usually on an Eagle) and a bunch of Reavers. Honestly, the most boring matches imaginable. Its almost as if the ultra elite HE, suddenly got a Skaven complex. I guess that is the meta the sweaty players prefer, swarming with a large amount of low-risk crappy units. I am happy about the new Khorne elite infantry, but all these 2 spoke about were the Khone Marauders, as if anything over 600g doesn't even exist. I don't know I'm just sick of seeing enless repetitions of chaff swarms. It honestly is the least fun, I say bring on the Kaiju battles and the cool units!

[@rubz1390]

Elite infantry has always been garbage in landbattle multiplayer. It's been this way since Warhammer2 atleast. It can't be a surprise, it's been thia way for years.

[@betrayer1350]

@@pcyxishw Expensive units get used all the time. Win conditions are often a couple of key expensive units that need a lot of babysitting to get max value out of. People talk about chaff a lot because if a chaff unit has an edge over another faction, you can reliably spam it every single time you play against that faction and get results, even if the other guy expects it. Its consistent. People use leadbelchers all the time on Ogres, and they have their moments where they are utterly insane in how much work they can put in. But things like Trappers get more notice, and now the Piggyback Riders, because leadbelcher builds are just that - they are builds entirely focused on maximizing value out of leadbelchers, which are relatively high cost, high micro tax, but high reward. Trappers and Piggyback Riders are low cost, low micro tax, and moderate reward. They're helpful in full rushes. They're helpful in full kites. They're helpful with weird SEM blobs. They're helpful 99% of the time you bring them, and you bring them 99% of the time. Marauder Champions have been consistently used on the Norsca roster since game 3 launched. They're pretty elite at 1k cost. The Infernal Ironsworn are also rated well, but again, due to their slow nature, they can be easy to play around, so you kind of have to go all in if you want to bring them, and you can only all in on elite infantry in very specific MUs, and even then, it can be a dangerous gamble.

[@davidbanterford3216]

This is why i only play domination. Much better games overall and i can play vampire counts and chorfs happily. Both feels strong in dom

[@rocketroux5838]

better games overall is up for personnal preferences. If that's your thing, not judging you. But I'd rather play Hyena than Dom myself.

[@Alphard00]

I would comfortably take VC into a majority of A and B tier factions on this list. Though they are lagging behind in power, they are way better than a lot of people give credit for.

[@kevingriffith6011]

Domination also does a lot as a format to hamper the strengths of the S-Tier factions that you'd have to content with in land battles. Demons of Chaos are so bad in land battles because they're essentially three factions in a trench coat: they have three flavors of cheese and you can't really build an army that beats them all. In domination you can react to their gameplan during the match, while the faction itself isn't great at changing gears mid match. Dwarves, on the other hand, get to have incredibly efficient units because 'they're slow'... but in land battles that doesn't matter all too much with the tools the dwarves have at their disposal. Domination forces the dwarves to split their formation up in a way that creates exploitable vulnerabilities. Their reinforcements also arrive much slower thanks to their short legs, which can be a serious problem.

[@odmloupi]

My rationalisation for this list is that its meant to be controversial and awful for da views XD

[@fizzbrew]

Dawi top tier as all things should be.