On Audience Capture

in before this video is commented on in my thread with people spinning it like i am desperately trying to prevent my 'youtube career' from falling apart or some nonsense
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[@dennisrkb]

Did you make this video intentionally 13:37 long?^^

[@SuperFlawless9]

Haha the based number has been witnessed!

[@ashtralplane777]

If you know what this means you should be in a retirement home

[@ianmay9372]

@@ashtralplane777 first thought that popped into my head when I clicked on this video tho

[@AspiringDevil]

But does prove he 8s a facist or a sjw? I honestly can't tell anymore 😕

[@NotsoHardcore1]

Ah good old 1337

[@BulletRain100]

Jordan Peterson's journey makes perfect sense if you actually listen and engage with what he has said and what he believes. Jordan Peterson was a man who put his faith in the scientific and humanistic process to know and understand the world, and he has watched the institutions and profession he dedicated his life to collapse around him. He did everything he could to direct society in a better direction and saw most people commit even more to destructive ideologies. The fact the institutional establishment encouraged transing kids is what broke the man. It naturally follows that Jordan Peterson has found safe harbor with the Religious Right in Daily Wire because it is the only political faction that can identify and understand the moral rot. Jordan Peterson's changing tone is more of an admission that those who haven't been convinced yet will probably never be convinced. He has been shaking the dust from his sandals.

[@Coffee_paradox]

That’s an excellent point. Being pushed to the opposite camp is not “unwilling to stand up for your ideals under pressure”, but the disillusionment of ones beliefs. People may believed in tolerance and openness once, but when the institutions who taught them tolerance betray and expel them, they will find that the very concept of tolerance is unrealistic, that most people will always operate not on moral values but practical gains, and therefore the disillusioned will abandoned or at least change their politics in line with the lost faith in previous beliefs.

[@kattkatt6961]

Jordan Peterson is a good man and his principles still stand solid as ever. He's been slowly cut away and hurt over time till he has become as you both put it, done and disillusioned. The funny Canadian Psychologist yelling at ya to clean your room and make your bed is still there. He's just also been lambasted, slandered, attacked physical, insulted and eventually canceled, for sticking to his principles. He's understandably not as willing to deal with people who just want to yell at him and call him names. He might have adopted some ideas that not everyone is going to like but its not really just him abandoning any of his ideas or principles. Even recently he was discussing things like gender-queer, gender-fluid and trans stuff from a psychological point of view under the big five personality shit. The guy still is probably accepting and curious of the LGBT community he's just not changed his stance on forcing people to talk or to shut up. He also does seem to have entered a funny "punisher mode" but honestly if we give the man a bit more time he'll probably be a bit calmer over the whole issue.

[@MrSmiley81092]

Tim Pool seems to have had this happen to him as well

[@rikuown]

People like dev and adam & sitch are just trying to do audience capture on JBP. It is a completely reasonable position for the man to hold but they are clutching their pearls acting as if it is something insane because they have a religious belief to defend.

[@gunpuncher3817]

That's pretty much the way I read it as well. He doesn't seem to me to be unhinged, as Dev puts it, but on the offensive. Whether it's justified or not, the impression I get from Dr. Peterson is that going on the attack is the only way we can save our institutions, which happens to be a viewpoint I'm sympathetic to.

[@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085]

Dev the story about Straka demanding rioters grab shields and charge was proven to be false. You need to investigate these things more. He was on a completely different side of the building which did not have rioters present. It's a big building.

[@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085]

@@Garrumx to be fair, that's the only factual inaccuracy I noted for the 13 minute video. But I do appreciate the satire.

[@theshambler6814]

Enjoy 69 likes

[@luck3yp0rk93]

@@Garrumx because non leftists are 100% right and could never be wrong about anything even once? Come off it

[@AspiringDevil]

The footage Shaka published is infront of a bunch of rioters. Do you have a source name or whatever I could look at. I watched the footaged I definitely can't see how you could verify he absolutely said grab the shield. It sounds like he did to me but there's multiple voices chanting it so it's really hard to tell. I did find that wasn't what the court charged him with so I think you are right that it is factually inaccurate to say he did for certain. I would still say he seems radicalized but that's just my take. This the only copy of the footage Shaka posted. It's unfortunately a MNSBC segment 😕 kzbin.info/www/bejne/joecqYaVqs90fq8 Time stamp 22 seconds in ends at around 50. Did they prove the he didn't say take the shield & he wasn't there. Because in court says that was his footage & in the footage you can see him behind the crowd attacking the riot police & they do grab the shield & pass it over thr crowd. I am glad he seems legitimately remorseful & is turning in the other more severe criminals IMO. If I'm wrong please tell me where to look because believe me I don't want to be right, I want to know. I love reading your comments MoMo

[@TransRoofKorean]

@@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085 I feel like Dev was trolling here. Like he talks about Majid Nawaz saying "covid is fake" and puts up a tweet of Majid saying "we shouldn't be rushing these vaccines to everyone when we don't know if they aren't just as dangerous as the disease". At least, I'm telling myself he was trolling. Everything in this I was remotely aware of (which is actually most of it) Dev has at least partly factually wrong. That, or his familiarity with these people is only the worst hot takes people have sent him, and nothing at all else. But like when the Majid thing he says just clearly doesn't even remotely match the tweet he puts on the screen, I'm feeling like this is a troll, like this is Dev's "I don't mind irritating the audience"

[@chrizzel28]

I don't agree Peterson is or sounds as unhinged as you think he does, but I appreciate the display of empathy and consideration of what he has gone through. I think you're confusing a performative element for actual degradation, but even if you believe he actively degraded I'm glad you're not doing the nonsense where you claim someone was never good because he (arguably) isn't good now.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

The concern always will be unfortunately, if it is a mask, will he become the mask? That's honestly what I'm afraid of.

[@scurvydog20]

Personally I think jp is still saying the same thing he just seems sadder and more forceful. Like "do this" rather than "please do this" it's like how everyone thinks starship troopers is fascist because it makes moral arguments about war without apology

[@ShadowtheRenamon]

I don't think he's unhinged, but I DO think that he's been captured by grifters. He's gotten pulled into a crowd of grifters and useful faces who will push the equally dumb rightoid talking points in the cringest ways possible. Like that video where he basically told leftist to bring it was such a fucking mistake that rightfully and annoyingly got meme'd to fucking hell and back.

[@ChrisRWitt]

I haven't seen much of Peterson recently, but I have watched a decent amount of Brett Weinstein recently, and am shocked at the characterization of him Dev is giving. Brett and Heather are exactly who they've always been, and are as articulate as ever. Even frustratingly so from my right wing position.

[@MrOnay-px1jx]

SFO really does look at jbp surface level. Jbp now holds the same views he did in 2016. His message has gotten more click baity and sensational but definitely not radical. But when you're le enlightened centrist any strong belief is radical apparently

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

TBH I think Peterson isn't a good example for that kind of situation since he was subjected to so much abuse any radicalization makes sense. I, myself, became more radical because of the violence I see from the left and my own research on it. I reached the conclusion that any feminist or leftist ideals are contrary to freedom and justice. Therefore becoming a threat to my interests, and something I despise extremely. Their deep malice just validated my conclusion built on historical cases such as the Reign of Terror. You can't cease radicalization when the other side is so violent and vile, and historically proven so. The persecution of ideological opponents will radicalize said opponents. And ever since the French Revolution, the persecution of ideological opponents has been a leftist practice. In fact it is, and has always been, foundational to the left.

[@AspiringDevil]

The right loves it's demonization too. This a universal problem with ideologues. Sure JP went through a lot but then the radicalization of the left is equally valid if they experienced trauma. Why should people like Lilith & Dave Portnoy trust the right when they are spurned & attacked by them?

[@Exile_Sky]

With this, I agree. Can't have your authoritarian super state if the plebs have the gal to think, much less think of ~gasp~ not living in mud huts.

[@redline1916]

About time someone said it.

[@saanon9334]

If Communists don`t respect my rights, I won`t respect theirs.

[@ObeyNoLies]

You can't compromise with someone who wants to destroy you.

[@MahDryBread]

"I feel like he's regretting staying on the centrist grift for this long and didn't become a breadtuber a few years ago back when the pickings were good" Do they genuinely think that KZbinrs think like this? That we just try to make money by saying whatever we think would get us money? Because I've gotta say, I've literally never met a KZbinr who, even in private, thought like that. Just because the worst few people you can think of on KZbin don't mean half of what they say doesn't mean your average KZbinr is like that. These people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, and yet they're so smug. They have no self awareness.

[@TitaniumDragoonNeo]

It's a tough call, because there are some folks that do stick with something they don't believe in order to make that green (Vaush, Game Grumps), but many KZbinrs do change themselves for the audience. Hell, I can see you try to avoid bringing up any of the stuff you engage with Dev on in your streams. Even though you do agree on those points, you know to not always discuss it, even if it's bugging you as you stream. But regardless, most steamers and content creators are usually genuine. Restrained maybe, but genuine.

[@thetreelander7378]

tbh i used to be this Cynical but then i listen to people like dev, you and so on and that changed my opinion on being grumpy.

[@MahDryBread]

@@TitaniumDragoonNeo Can you give me any examples? Because I have no idea what you're talking about when you say that I avoid bringing stuff up. I'm really open on streams. And like, everything else. I think you might just be reading way too much into my social awkwardness.

[@MahDryBread]

@@thetreelander7378 That's what I like to hear! People are so fucking cynical nowadays

[@CallanElliott]

Some do, there are grifters in every group. However, Dev has been at this for what? 10 years now? That's far too long with too little rewards for it be a grift, of if I were to be bad faith, remain a grift.

[@nova_supreme8390]

Vaush is like a piñata for Adam&Sitch: They keep beating and candy just pours out.

[@Zayindjejfj]

It's low hanging fruit. But man the fruit is delicious. Bashing on Vaush is easy but it's too good sometimes because he just doesn't stop having bad takes.

[@TheRecession5075]

@@Zayindjejfj it's like fast food. Yeah you should be eating better but it's just so satisfying at times

[@geromackler9761]

@@Zayindjejfj you are a poet

[@wangusbeef86]

Its honestly disturbing that some people do unironically listen to vaush for his economic opinions, and yes, its from 'that' side of youtube

[@beneficent2557]

Vaush has no business being around candy or kids.

[@Dogapillar4Lyfe]

The Shoe arc is still the saddest for me. Seeing her using racist rhetoric to dismiss conservatives but still trys to take the high ground.

[@-Zakhiel-]

I still like her Hellworld series.

[@Dogapillar4Lyfe]

@@-Zakhiel- that's fair and I'm happy you like it :) but personally for me, I find her impossible to follow now. I will still say her camera presence and editing is really good. But I lost a lot of respect for her.

[@AspiringDevil]

I was never a fan so I learned everything about Shoe retroactively. I don't think she is lost to the dark side forever, but I understand the burned fan reaction. I hope Shoe finds a balance while remaining true to herself but that is easier sad than done.

[@Dogapillar4Lyfe]

@@AspiringDevil it would be nice. She spoke to me in the early days when I felt like a disillusioned Leftist. It was nice to know I wasnt the only person on the left who felt like things were getting out of control.

[@Dogapillar4Lyfe]

@man with a username a few years back she dismissed Lauren Chens opinion saying "Typical half chinese" I'm paraphrasing, if I can find the video Lauren put up with the tweet I'll paste it. But I never heard Shoe address it she actually blocked me on Twitter for bringing it up a few times....that or she blocked me because I said Kiwi is the Sexy Shoeonhead hahaha

[@corruptionpoint8498]

I might also add that when JP was going through it a bunch of people on twitter were cheering for him to die.

[@RachelRichards]

Yeah, I think he gazed a little too deeply into the abyss.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

plus everything with his daughter

[@beneficent2557]

How many were bots?

[@SouthernGothicYT]

@@Sin-Faoladh so much. She was a sickly kid, then there's the whole "meat only" diet she says the cures her, then I think she cheated on her husband? Idk but people throw all that back on JP like it's directly his fault

[@beneficent2557]

@@Sin-Faoladh could be a red pill thing? Micaela has been criticized for "monkey branching", not sure if its valid or not. I have no interest in it. Also, JP doesnt really "get" the grievance against hypergamy.

[@joaco8442]

I'm from Venezuela, Dev. What happened to Peterson is not audience capture. He has just lived through a fight with a monster that cannot be defeated by subtlety and capitulation. Only people who have been in the fangs of that monster know what it's like. The monster is a collective conglomerate of fools who are convinced of their own unimpeachable moral superiority and willing to do to anyone whatever it takes to win, at any cost. Such a beast cannot be reasoned with, will be compromised with, and must not be negotiated with. When the beast is asleep, people can engage on good terms, but we are going through a time in history when the beast is awake and feeding to grow stronger, unfortunately.

[@Seldomheardabout]

fanboy

[@skoolwifi3835]

@@Seldomheardabout on God, this guy thinks he's writing the Peterson Bible

[@Seldomheardabout]

@@skoolwifi3835 you guys just emulate his speech pattern with your own idealogy. It's sad and obvious af. Just compare your commas and cadence to jps transcribed sayings.

[@naiveveg8447]

@@Seldomheardabout well atleast prove him wrong before saying "fanboy" your straight proving the point of JP by going immediately for insults without any opposing ideals.

[@Seldomheardabout]

@@naiveveg8447 fanboy means you support someone no matter what. Doing that is not objective, it's dogmatic. Thus, fanboy means you support him with bias. He teaches to be a free thinker. Take his old advice.

[@Snakedude4life]

Some guy was giving me guff because they thought I agree with you 100%. I don’t even agree with more than half of your political stances but I enjoy the discourse. 🎩 🐍 no step on Snek!!🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302]

The first mistake the radical makes is assuming the non-radical agrees with ANYONE 100%. They can't fathom the idea that anyone could be an individual thinker with various positions on multiple issues that don't fit neatly into one ideology or another. They need that so they can differentiate the "enemy" for them to attack otherwise they would have to start evaluating their own positions and they may come to the realization they aren't as lockstep with whoever they worship as they thought. From what I've seen of your comments (the signature is pretty recognizable) we follow a lot of the same content creators, and I would wager we don't agree with any of them 100% nor would we agree 100%, and that's ok.

[@RobzdaBlade]

Dude, Im not going to step on your snek. Just keep it in your pants. Lmao

[@tumamaencosplay]

The fact that you consider JBP Unhinged really shows you are getting WAAAY too obssesed with your enlightened centrist position, even this video sounds like a excuse you give yourself to not truly listen to the other side. JBP has not reallly changed any of his positions, what has changed, is that he has noticed that centrist framing has done absolutely nothing of value to protect what must be protected, and against hyper aggressive and violent enemies all it has done is make way for their insanity. He realizes there is nearly nobody to be reasoned with on the left to reach a real compromise, and the people who would be willing to fight the good fight must be invigorated and activated. The real problem is that if you let only supremacists and extremists be the only voice willing to fight the good fight, then people who see the problem and that something must be done, only have crazy weirdos as their only allies, which will actually radicalize them.

[@borbisshlock8101]

I'm not sure just how you think bret Weinstein is "going down rabbit holes and radicalizing"?

[@Keirnoth]

he doesn't agree with Weinstein's takes on the covid vaccine and virus. The kind of ironic part here is I think Weinstein is 100% correct and how he predicted this whole thing was going to go. he is trying to warn people that we keep trying to do the same thing over and over again we're only going to make this fire stronger and eventually it's going to turn into its own little pandemic among the vaccinated. and the people he brings on are all academics who are highly credible and have years upon years of experience and knowledge. Brett is seeing a kind of capture that similar to what he dealt with back when he was younger and he was talking about telomeres. That's the reason why he pushes so hard against this stuff because he knows that people are using bad science to justify using these vaccines.

[@ezsteezy1222]

yea im not sure on that one either. the man is incredibly thoughtful when he speaks.

[@AspiringDevil]

I'm not familiar with her but everything I've seen she is way too comfortable with misinformation & radicalization. That doesn't necessarily mean Dev is right but I get why people think that of her.

[@saerain]

@@AspiringDevil Who? Maybe this was supposed to be a reply to that Shoe comment somewhere else?

[@Clone42]

@@AspiringDevil So, you've "seen enough" of Bret Weinstein to accuse her of being "comfortable with misinformation and radicalization," but you haven't "seen enough" of her to know that Bret Weinstein is a middle aged man with a beard. Perhaps this embarrassment is the wake up call you need to stop parroting negative insults about people who are completely unknown to you.

[@nobodyofimprotance7615]

If you're afraid of people you disagree with being part of your fandom, you aren't trying to convince people of arguments, you're just trying to keep people on one narrative.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Unless you're creating fiction. Then you're protecting your brand from subversives. Let's not forget what happened to Marvel and DC for not gatekeeping.

[@nobodyofimprotance7615]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo I am a creator of fiction and I'm fine with people disagreeing with the views it has, as long as those views don't cause audience capture.

[@TetsuRiken]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo making art and talking idea is different though though at the same time you can't be closed even in art to new idea and critics though definitely keep out those that are never happy with your work and just want to change it

[@littlesneets8026]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo agreed. Gatekeeping gets a bad rep from the early 2000s elitists, but now more than ever, gatekeeping needs to be encouraged, simply because there are activist type people who intentionally go into spaces not meant for them (in that they don't actually care about the lore, canon, or meaning behind the IP in question, they're fake fans), and try to pervert the canon and intentionally divide the space between normies and genuine fans, then force their way in by citing the phrases "diversity, inclusion", and then declaring the original fans & the IP are problematic, and need to be changed, then publicly excommunicating fans from the IP they've been invested in longer than the infiltrators have been aware of it's existence.

[@lordpisces5019]

Convincing people isn't usually the point anyway. Saying what you believe needs to be said is closer to the point. Over time, people are influenced by their environment and run the risk of becoming a vessel for their sects beliefs. More generally, purity in excess is narrow-minded, and the absence of purity is wishy washy.

[@AlecMeyer94]

There’s a great quote from LazyTown: “Just because you disagree with someone, doesn’t mean they’re not your friends.”

[@Code7Unltd]

And another quote: "Don't let your kids watch it!"

[@purpleheart3000]

I remember that episode. I'm so glad I grew up watching it, and that it turned into the meme phenomenon it did. RIP Stefan Karl Stefansson.

[@specimenlarry6068]

Really...

[@KopitioBozynski]

@@specimenlarry6068 Yes. Unlike what dumbasses say, not everything is political.

[@Shamino1]

If this is a revelation to you, or to anyone else, this entire youth generation is 1200% fucked.

[@kodybuffettwilson]

This is an important subject and I'm glad you covered it as thoroughly and measured as usual. I will protest your and others' claims about Jordan Peterson being captured to the extent that is claimed. Is he really more radical for making a stand regarding the truth that he was warning Canadian legislators about years ago and is actually affecting regular citizens today? To a casual observer, Peterson is just a grumpy old man complaining about a celebrity on Twitter, but he's making a very consistent principled statement about the reality we all live in and how dangerous it is to discard it so casually. Same with the fat woman he pointed out was only put on a magazine cover as a political power play. Just because he tells the truth in a more bold or crass manner doesn't make it no longer the truth.

[@jamesgollinger208]

@@als3022 I don't even know if it's a breaking point as it is Peterson has decided that the institutions are so captured that civil discussion is no longer useful and battle lines are being drawn.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

@@als3022 its the problem with the centrist position... it overlooks power and almost fetishizes rationality. Communities and political structures just don't work on reason alone and its up for debate if they even should. Also rationality is not perfected enough especially over groups of people to just say the rational answer is always the best one. For centrism to actually work they need a positive political vision supporting more than just rationality and actual power in communities and institutions. both kind of go against current centrism leaving it mostly a trap. It a home to be comfortable and feel moral in, but does little to affect politics and communities

[@Delta-es1lg]

Even when I disagree with you, Dev, i admire your commitment to principle and nuance. I keep watching you because, even when I disagree with you, I feel like you would consider my positions if i was talking to you in person, and you usually come armed with receipts.

[@luciferthedoberman8991]

Dev and Sitch always have receipts. It is kinda annoying, but you can't help but respect them.

[@ghostofalltime4934]

Agree with this, while I can't say I think Dev's world view is one I share, I respect it as being his. Politics is politics, it's important but basic human decency and the like are more important, even when we talk to other sides. That doesn't mean be a wimp however.

[@Ammoniummetavanadate]

@@luciferthedoberman8991 lol, Sitch absolutely does not have the recipets and Adam is barely coherent so we can't expect those from him.

[@luciferthedoberman8991]

@@Ammoniummetavanadate ROFL! You are either trolling or huffing on copium. Both have continuously wrecked people because they actually research topics before talking shit. Then they let morons walk into traps with almost no effort. Only a delusional hypocrite can deny they dont bring receipts.

[@luciferthedoberman8991]

@@Ammoniummetavanadate Please give an example.

[@Smilomaniac]

Gonna be honest with you, both Sitch & Adam and you have definitely gotten more intolerant of your audiences as well as overcompensating your criticism towards the right wing in this 'but muh right does it too' balance act. Difference is that Adam is often wrong and puts words in people's mouths, while you're just weirdly critical of things that aren't really worth the vitriol. It's fine to not simp for your audience, but both your channels try to be neutral so hard that you occasionally shit on your bread and butter. But hey, if you like the taste, have at it.

[@jamesbeach7405]

I have to disagree on the Bret Weinstein point. He's clear and level headed as he was in the past. The issue of covid is just so divisive that it instantly places you in certain camps even if you generally don't align with that camp. Also on Bret, his critique of covid policies and drug requirements are not out of place on the political left where being critical of corporations and corporation-government complexes was common place. The Rachel Maddow specials critical of the Iraq war and US motivations for doing it included many critiques of the obvious ties US leadership of the time had with military contractors. Now we see a democratic party with strong ties to the tech and biotechnology world. Couple this with the changing definitions of antivax and misinformation and malinformation and the weinstein's criticism are less extreme and more valid.

[@AscendantStoic]

It seems to him having any position on anything or making any call to action (even if it's well reasoned and necessary) is automatically "radicalization", it's really laughable.

[@jamesbeach7405]

@@AscendantStoic Yeah I'm not sure why he took that position apart from an attempt at equity. But as is known, one side might very well be wrong and it's okay to acknowledge that.

[@AscendantStoic]

@@jamesbeach7405 Dev has lost a lot of credibility with this poorly made poorly researched video of his clinging so desperately to a mirage of centerism that's blinding him to many facts and maybe even reality itself. This is the radicalized incoherent "Peterson" he speaks of, this lecture was 4 months ago by the way. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3bTnXSgmdKVetk Dev lost the plot frankly, not as bad as Sam Harris but close enough.

[@jamesbeach7405]

@@AscendantStoic Well, I'll say I'm still a fan of his essays as he generally does a good job. But in the case of Dr Peterson his take isn't surprising. Many people have strong opinions on him. As for me I used to be more a JBP fan but I preferred professor Peterson to his modern incarnation, for example I really enjoyed his maps of meaning book and his university lectures. I was disappointed by his Kyle Kulinski interview. It seemed like he went into it assuming unreasonable hostility on Kyle's part. I would call him unhinged though, he just looked like someone who is so used to being mistreated he's come to expect it. None the less I still generally see him favorably, even after his infamously bad statement on being banned from twitter.

[@EmperorSigismund]

@@AscendantStoic If you have a strong position on something you get called a radical. If you refuse to have a strong opinion on something the radicals call you a radical for being an enemy of the movement. It's the paradox of the modern world.

[@Mordredt]

Maajid Nawaz talking about the WEF isn’t radicalisation, it’s just realising what’s really going on Dev, come on.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

the WEF is not the global shadow government man.

[@wtice4632]

@@ShortFatOtaku is not NOT the global shadow government

[@sgtaveryjohnson3803]

@@ShortFatOtaku prove it.

[@Mordredt]

@@ShortFatOtaku they make enough of an impact on government decisions around the world for them to be a big concern, combined with Black Rock and various billionaire philanthropists. That aside, you replied! Hi, love your vids dude, keep it up, it’s ok if you disagree with me sometimes ;)

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

@@ShortFatOtaku probably not but im still skeptical because of some of the rhetoric that comes out of the group in general. It could be just some sort of delusion

[@Timx5599]

Peterson is becoming increasingly heavy handed with his approach on trans identity and compelled speech, not because his opinions have changed but because the liberties we have enjoyed in the free world of 2017 are increasingly degrading despite the sacrifices he has made.

[@nokeksgiven]

Neither Peterson nor Brett have “radicalised”. They have just lost patience with how things have been going for almost a decade now. Their positions are the same as they have ever been.

[@grayfiresoul]

Bret has definitely been awakened to State government's use and regular abuse of power through social and bureaucratic apparatuses, let alone its complete disregard for the machine of economics. He'd still call himself a liberal, but he's been made more aware of what many libertarian opponents to state power have been pointing out for nearly a century. His wasn't a radicalization, but a realization, and I respect him a lot for it. SFO is so utterly averse to admitting that State power in any form is a mechanism that will be abused progressively and completely, that he attempts to fuse the 'awareness' of tyranny's emergence while still advocating for systems that actively metastasize it. Yet, I still watch him because I like his personal insights. I respect him for his sharing them with us. I just blame the Canadian in him for the love of the (now) invisible tradition of British monarchial order and social compliance. Canadians just can't get it out of their blood; order and cohesion above all else, time and time again.

[@Seldomheardabout]

Fanboy

[@dkosmari]

@@grayfiresoul The Canadian government legalized a cure for Canadian, and it's the 6th leading cause of curing Canadian.

[@AscendantStoic]

Exactly 👍

[@papapalps2415]

@@Seldomheardabout You...do realize going around the comments section copy pasting 'fanboy!' like as if that's supposed to actually mean something makes you look like a drooling invalid with a malfunctioning speech-to-text, right?

[@dolomaticus1180]

To point out something you should consider: Sometimes if your audience is really pushing strongly against you AND is bringing up the evidence to battle your points, you might have very well screwed up. See there is a downside to having a balanced, informed group as your audience: When they think your wrong, they will not step to you till the repeating of the pattern happens again and again. Once your audience sees that, they will push back, trying to splash cold water in your face to realize "Hey you might really want to think about this point your taking a bit more". I watched Rags get smacked like this due to how he was just treating the audience, over time he was being a bit too arrogant and finally the chat started pushing back and not attack him, but get him to realize he was wrong and being too much of a asshole. ONCE he pushed it too far again, that is when his chat went after him and took him to task for weeks. But I will give it to the man, he chilled out , pulled back and had a good think about where he was going. As a creator you do need people to splash that cold water on your face and re evaluate why your going in a certain direction.

[@animeproblem1070]

Was that around the time he was shit talking avatar without having seen it

[@JagerIV]

My concern here is that audience capture is just a magic word to delitimize Change of opion. When people move in your direction, they're reconsidering their position. When the audience convinces them, it's audience capture.

[@nubidubi23]

I think it'a more of a fine balance between not going too extreme on either side and never changing your position. The audience can influence the youtuber and vice versa, but not the point where they form an infinite feedback loop

[@Keirnoth]

And ironically enough, the ones who are bringing it up are leftists. I think they're afraid the tide is changing and the Overton window is shifting out of their purview.

[@nottodisushttoagen1309]

I'd say it's audience capture when they feel compelled to say something they disagree with simply because they believe it's what their audience wants to hear from them.

[@demaupin]

@@nottodisushttoagen1309 In which case, it's very presumptuous of him to use other people as examples of what he feels this phenomenon is, as he has no way of knowing if they are disingenuously chasing the likes of their "most extremist followers" (which, like in the case of Weinstein, is SFO's own moral judgement to begin with,) rather than a genuine refining/ repositioning/ reassaessment of the views they held years ago. If the definition is "feeling compelled to say something they disagree with simply because they believe it's what their audience wants to hear from them," then he should not have used specific content creators as examples, since he cannot see into their minds or souls to determine their intentions, no matter how "unhinged" or "going down rabbit holes" he personally judges them to be. He could have made the same points, and kept it to his own knowledge of himself alone.

[@moneygrab610]

I think how you rationalize your position can determine where the influence is coming from. There is a difference between being pressured to rehash opinions that you have heard within your audience versus thinking through them, discussing them with others, following the reasoning beyond the narrow scope of the problem. Someone’s opinion can change, but with so much grifting after coming back from a hiatus or being shunned by the other team, it gets harder to point out what is thoughtful if we don’t see it happening in real time.

[@scurvydog20]

I forget if it was arch or sargon that said people think starship troopers is fascist because heinlein makes definitive moral claims in a forceful manner and theres a war. I wonder if you are doing the same thing with what you claim is audience capture. I haven't really noticed Jordan Peterson changing his claims. All I've really noticed is that he seems sadder and is willing to more forcefully say this is the case. It's the difference between a parent saying you should clean your room vs saying clean your room right now after your brother filled his with bongs.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

I appreciate dev's honesty but a lot of this is him missing the vibe shift and rationalizing it as a problem. People just are not as convinced by centrist arguments anymore and are becoming better equipped to argue other ideas and argue against centrist points. Pathologizing it away while possibly having some points just frustrates the disagreements.

[@candyjack3659]

Jordan in 2016 "I shouldn't have to call a woman 'he' to please the person" Jordan 2022 "I shouldn't have to call a woman 'he' to please the person" SFO "OMG HE'S SO UNHINGED NOW! THIS PROVES THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS BECOMING RADICAL NOT ME!!!!"

[@Zayindjejfj]

Yeah I'm not getting what people's issue with him is. You can look back to when he was shouting in front of people for the sake of free speech. He's always been vehement against compelled speech. I don't know why suddenly it's this huge ordeal. I genuinely think people are too focused on *appearing* a certain way where that's all that matters.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

no. peterson even said back in the day he was happy to use a trans person's pronouns because it was the polite thing to do - and it still is

[@candyjack3659]

@@Zayindjejfj Yes, SFO seems stuck on the identity of being a centrist, and because of that if an opinion shifts to the left he changes his opinion and calls those who don't "radicalized". He should just stand for what he believes and let people call him what they want, or at least admit he changed over time and not everybody else.

[@liamsbest9]

@@ShortFatOtaku but JBP said he would respect the pronouns/name if he thought the person was genuine, and hadn't said otherwise that I have heard of

[@Keirnoth]

To be fair, 2022 it's the same thing but he's just gotten more aggressive because he actually sees it damaging discourse. He realized just passively and repeatedly saying "don't do that" doesn't work.

[@Ryzeex.]

SFO content is genuinely high quality, and based enough for me. The tubcast is sadly painful. To be honest, I think most of Dev's disagreements with his audience comes during live shows because Dev can write a good script, but when he's live he just doesn't have the same finesse - nevermind Lilith's... influence.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Lilith is the problem since she just can't notice something is wrong if that wrong benefits her demographic.

[@thetreelander7378]

@@ilikecatsandstuff1 what i don't get is why people want to remove adult trans people. like is it because they think it harms them? because if so then shouldn't we ban more shit that does like a nanny state or let adults make mistakes? of course im not saying you are, i am just wondering at loud because you got me thinking.

[@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302]

I think this why I'm always confused whenever Dev comes out with one of these "audience disagreement" type videos. I never watch Tubcast (mainly cause I don't watch livestreams in general) and in his regular content it's always well researched and reasonable, even if I don't agree. So whenever these videos come out I'm always like "wait, what happened? what did he say that was so disruptive?"

[@brad2179]

@@ilikecatsandstuff1 within the last year or so it has become a mainstream online topic so it is reasonable that he talks more about it. I dont really understand the trans stuff and dont really care too much i can understand his audience having the opposite stance as him based on his other political takes.

[@absolutelydegenerate1900]

@@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302 I’d like to know too. Honestly After seeing that one stream about trans kids I can already tell where that “de-transitioner” one went. As for Maro Lago it might have been along the lines of maybe not saying trump deserved it, but it was justified. However I haven’t watched other of them because tbh I can’t stand when he live streams. I’ve already tried to watch them, but random interval sips make me want to Minecraft myself and the ones with Lilith aren’t really as “structured” so I generally feel like my time is being wasted after a while but I get that feeling with most streamers

[@televized1781]

Jordan Petersen 2015: Government of Canada shouldn't have compelled speech laws SFO 2015: Government of Canada shouldn't have compelled speech laws Jordan Petersen 2022: Government of Canada shouldn't encourage Kids to transition a such young ages or groom kids in schools SFO and Lilith 2022: Transitioning kids as young as possible is fine. My man SFO i respect you but dude you kind a went leftward while JP was standing still

[@DG-mk7kd]

There is an appropriate time for righteous anger The government pushing to cut the bits off the kiddies is one of those times

[@ShortFatOtaku]

tell me where i said "Transitioning kids as young as possible is fine"

[@yaboiportch]

I would also like to see where Dev and/or Lilith said that

[@luciferthedoberman8991]

On Sundays show, Dev said he thinks under 18 should not be allowed.

[@luciferthedoberman8991]

@@yaboiportch Lilith is a different story

[@paytonwhipple5476]

My thoughts on the JBP stuff is that the reaction against a few national socialists showing up in debates and having a minor influence on policy is way different than the reaction to a conquered France. There are definitely people who do get sucked in but from what I have seen from JBP it is just that he is now coming to grips with the gravity of the threat presented by some of these leftist social movements.

[@AspiringDevil]

& that's why I can't see the booba?

[@vaclavjebavy5118]

@@AspiringDevil indeed

[@CMDF08]

I'm glad you are sticking to your guns, Dev. I've been watching your videos for 3-4 years now, and I've disagreed with you on many occasions, but I still watch. Anybody who is actually here for the right reasons isn't turning away because you've done something wrong, they were just looking for a parasocial relationship with somebody who echoes their every opinion. Hell, I disagreed with you in this very video; I think Peterson's Ellen Page video was 100% on point. I'm not going anywhere, and you don't need the audience members that can't handle not thinking the exact same way you do.

[@jfudd5870]

Dev is pretty well rounded on most subjects and gives me a perspective I haven't considered sometimes I do get aggravated though because he can take bias news sources at face value and uses such a light touch with lilith when she is dead wrong.

[@AspiringDevil]

In the case of news sources he always asks for counter evidence. The person making the claim has to present something beyond "it's da media" as a reason it is false. I don't get the light touch complaint. It seems like some people just really want Dev to scream at Lilith & kick her off the show. Define "hard touch" for these purposes please.

[@bignasty6395]

@@AspiringDevil jesus.....Dev ain't gonna guck you m8.

[@myriad9597]

@@bignasty6395 You could respond to the fellow, instead of insulting him.

[@bignasty6395]

@@myriad9597 why? Several people in this comment section have shown him the area's where Dev is wrong "with receipts" and yet he ignores them and continues to defend him even though he's factually wrong.

[@myriad9597]

@@bignasty6395 I wrote before seeming his other...many comments. Apologies.

[@TetsuRiken]

I know TJ has drifted away from where he was but You do embody something that he said that I have always kept in my pocket You don't speak for us you speak for yourself and we come to listen weather we agree or disagree we come to hear what you have to say we don't always have to agree and likely will not agree all the time

[@gladonos3384]

Who TJ?

[@TetsuRiken]

@@gladonos3384 TJ Kirk AKA The Amazing Atheist one of the oldest KZbinrs still active though he has lost touch with his sensibilities and some of his critical thinking The line I am referencing is from his big Steve Shives I believe "I do not presume to speak for these people (the audience) I speak for myself. I talk they listen." I believe that is roughly what he said though I haven't watched that video in a long long time

[@eldestdragon5766]

6:21 Hasn’t this been disputed? I thought he was on the other side of the Capital building when this went down. Anyways, the reason I watch you Dev is that while I may disagree with you on specific positions you generally hold to common sense. Pair that with how you don’t condemn your audience as evil for disagreeing with you.

[@teweldeambassajir4856]

I disagree with you on The Jordan Peterson point. But I will still watch you so I can be a more balanced person.

[@luciferthedoberman8991]

❤

[@AspiringDevil]

Correct attitude 👌 I don't regret any of the political content I watched even from people I despize like the Quackademic Agent. You can not know where others stand or even yourself without trying to understand.

[@justinambru8529]

I believe it would important to realize that sometimes your audience can have a point, as such it is important to realize when you are in the wrong SFO. Or at the very least misinformed, cause what I learned from my life is that you aren't always in the right.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

i have done this before yes. but i wasn't wrong about the examples i brought up!

[@candyjack3659]

@@ShortFatOtaku You were wrong in the Mara Lago raid but go on fam.

[@limemason]

@@candyjack3659 The fog is coming

[@Zetact_]

​@@ShortFatOtaku Well, I don't think you can say that chat was wrong about the LibsofTikTok point, either. Just that you and the chat disagreed on where you draw the line on what you define as "young girls."

[@AspiringDevil]

@@candyjack3659 then why could no one provide a single link or lead?!

[@BuckROCKGROIN]

A friend to all is a friend to none.

[@shoa4566]

Nailed it. I had never heard that one.

[@sonichu654]

I'm a pretty far right wing guy at this point. To the point where I work in politics and exclusively for right wing candidates. Every time there's a "Gay Groomer" head line or a "Pandemic time, we need to close churches but gay orgies can stay open" I watch your vids to remind myself that while I legitimately hate and despise most of these people. They are still 100% people and are entitled to rights and understanding.

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

Commies don’t deserve rights.

[@theshambler6814]

Can’t say I forgive the unwashed masses for condemning us all to a slowly rising socialist hell, but they would be harmless without the malicious elites who wield them as a weapon, and so I reserve my valuable hatred for the latter.

[@remyllebeau77]

Sure they are, and they can have those rights and understanding while we load them on trains to leave America never to come back. Why would they complain about being sent to socialist Utopias like Cuba, Venezuela, China, etc etc?

[@Seldomheardabout]

fire and water do not live in the same jar

[@AscendantStoic]

Rights sure, understanding...hell no, there is nothing to understand about a nonce targeting kids or a tyrannical gov abusing its power in favor of an even more corrupt corporation.

[@sumtenwitty6021]

It's better to disagree, as long as you don't call us moronic or irrational that's the line I draw for anyone

[@allister-malister9179]

If only they taught that in schools

[@RachelRichards]

You're completely correct!

[@cynicalgothbrit2352]

I honestly disagree i don't care if sfo calls me irrational or moronic sometimes I can be. All of us can be including you and if you don't believe that, that's just ego talking. Even when I don't believe I am being moronic or irrational it doesn't affect me because I feel secure enough in what I said to brush it off rather than get mad.

[@akuakkk1908]

The point is not to antagonize your audience, but fighting against your audience is completely fine. The difference is the stance. In a fight you can call the other a moron or irrational because you believe the other is being moronic/irrational but you would still be willing to concede ground when it is appropriate. When you antagonize your audience, it mean you're at war and thus must not by any metric give any ground to opposition. That anyone who disagree with you is moronic or being irrational and thus isn't worth listening to.

[@ncyikcvjxiw8936]

@@cynicalgothbrit2352 saying your "being" stupid and saying you "are" stupid are different in my opinion

[@Sketch_XR]

I still appreciate you for being you, Dev. In fact the last Weekly Sip was exactly what I’d prefer to be the case for internet politics: I say you’re damn wrong, you call me retarded, we stop and all come back for more chats later with no hard feelings about one another. Frankly, I’d much MUCH rather be engaged in Internet Bloodsports with the likes of you than any loony Breadtuber like Vaush, DemonMama, or Xanderhal.

[@iamwrong2239]

Dev is right, in order to have the society where people actually "Live, and Let Live" We do need to disagree and as another channel Think Before You Sleep pointed out as well. In his video talking about and criticising the people who viewed his videos. He makes the point that people who have a honest conversation while having disagreements are more enjoyable then something like Hassan or Vaush streams. Like Jubilee, they get people who disagree with each other and it's more interesting then Vaush calling his chat stupid. Then again that's Vaush. For me it's also the fact that leftist content creators are sometimes more dishonest then right/libertarian leaning content creators. In any case, good video Dev

[@iamwrong2239]

@@als3022 Depends how big that side wants you dead is. If it's smaller than they appear, then it's not a problem. If they are bigger, then that's a problem. What we should do is have enough sane people that live by the "Live and Let Live" idea and not succumb to extremism

[@P.W.N.ed_9000]

I love Dr Peterson, I have been to lectures and I have bought his book and but even I can tell he has changed. I do believe this life has worn him down a lot more then he lets on, and he most certainly has become a much more cynical man. I fear what was a story of an underdog fighting against the mob has become a story of just another soldier in the trenches of this war on culture.

[@wtice4632]

What has he changed?

[@HereTakeAFlower]

After listening to all his content, I'm willing to become the new sight of the old king, and make treasure of all the good lessons he taught me. His work won't be lost to the tragedy he has had to suffer, but, I hope, will be picked up by people from the new generation.

[@HereTakeAFlower]

@@wtice4632 he's become way more of an influencer/political speaker, despite him not being particularly strong on those fields, started working with Daily Wire, become more aggressive on Twitter, and all that sort of stuff. It's all different from those blessed days when he'd release free lessons about the stories of the Bible, or the Psychology of perception, or even Evolutionary psychology. That's how it is, in the end: life defeats everybody.

[@P.W.N.ed_9000]

@@HereTakeAFlower I want to be clear I still love the good doctor, and I will not abandon someone who has done more for men and women then we will ever know. I am just aware of how the darkness of the world can make a man callous in his beliefs and actions. He has submerged his hands in this fight for too long, and it is in my own opinion that he should retire.

[@eldestdragon5766]

@@P.W.N.ed_9000 Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster… I think that is what happens to a lot of people embroiled in the culture war, though I don’t know if I can really blame them.

[@jerrybond700]

I wouldn’t agree that the main reason these people have changed their views is due to Audience Capture. I definitely feel that it is more down the fact that people like JP change their views due to current events. The last couple years especially has changed many peoples views on the way things are run. I don’t believe that these people are doing what they do purely to ‘please their audience’

[@Seldomheardabout]

you are a fanboy lol. it is audience capture. that's why he sold out and went to the ad capital of KZbin, daily wire.

[@AscendantStoic]

Yeah, the entire premise of the video is utter nonsense, it's almost as bad as the Sam Harris recent Triggernometry catastrophic interview.

[@AscendantStoic]

@@Seldomheardabout You clearly have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

[@emmersoncharles205]

"Who is going to stay loyal to a tribe that hates them". That's exactly why audience capture happens, trying to be loyal to ideology rather than your own morality. There should be no ideology that encompasses your entire worldview. If there is, something has gone wrong.

[@Swordcery]

Your livestreams are consistent in two ways - you’re very principled but also generally half-informed. I strongly appreciate the principle and it is precisely why I enjoy your content. The half-informed part is what determines how much of any video of yours I watch. With the FBI Raid livestream, obviously Lilith didn’t know much of anything, but you went off about the nuclear codes hoax - a day or more after we knew it to be a hoax. I don’t expect you to be an endless encyclopedia of all knowledge Dev, but for sensitive and explosive stories like that, it would be like doing a Rittenhouse livestream TODAY and repeating the “across state lines” and/or “killed black protestors” false narratives. You are 100% genuine and honest with your takes, but that take is only as good as the information you make it with.

[@AspiringDevil]

Fair but he did say it wasn't nuclear codes. He said the warrant included anything related to restricted nuclear government information. That can include codes but he didn't say it was. I'm not saying wrong for bailing. That's a perfectly normal response but people seem to hear Dev say something & then even when Dev says he doesn't believe it they still assume he is agreeing with it.

[@Swordcery]

@@AspiringDevil sure but he takes moral assurances and justification for his position from sources when he doesn’t check the source or vet its bias beyond a gut feeling. It’s fine for some stuff but a serious topic like this, it begins to make the stream unlistenable because the audience is far more educated on the subject, invalidating much of his normally nuanced take. Like the example given, nobody informed wants a take - no matter how honest or principled - on Rittenhouse if given today when it involves still falling for the “across state lines” hoax narrative. Building a take and real-time discussing a subject with half the info just isn’t compelling to me. I wish it was. Part of why he worked well with Scrump is that, while Scrump is kind of a POS, he at least had SOME idea of the subject. Lilith, his replacement, just doesn’t. Sargon would be a much better choice for this kind of long-form fact-inspired conversation and podcast 🤷‍♂️

[@AspiringDevil]

@@Swordcery I prefer Lilith for the exact opposite reason. While she is not uploading to date on everything, she is more of an average Joe & not easily swayed by theory or bipartizan narrative. If Sargon hadn't began morphing into Carl I would agree with you. I think the harsh truth is you can't appeal to both at the same time. Your criticism of why you don't watch are perfectly valid.👌 I don't think it makes the podcast bad but I understand it's not some people maybe even most people want from a political pundent podcast. I probably gel with the podcast better because I despize the normal online political pundent formula. It started to crystallize for me when someone else who likewise had reasonable criticisms essence boiled down to most people want anger confrontation if not affirmation. By the way thank you for taking the time to explain it to me so well. I am aware I am not an old vet of this corner of the internet so I always like to hear where old fans are coming from. I understand the criticism but Dev very clearly states he isn't taking everything uncritically, but he does have to go on what info he can see & confirm. Which yes often means he isn't up to the minute on the situation. Which why he kept inviting people to tell hem where to find this information or to tell him what he got incorrect. They where in these last streams very silent about that. Then the same when Dev approached them in the comments. No sources, no links, not even a name for him to research. You did the normal thing. You thought Dev was so behind or misinformed that you checked out. You didn't scream for him to change his mind with no evidence or scream that he has to admit he is wrong & not even tell him what he was wrong about. Some people seem to want shaming Dev to be all that's required to change his mind on a topic. PS phone screwed up the previous comment. He said it wasn't for Nuclear Codes. He specifically brought that was miss information caused by idiots looking at search warrant & jumping too conclusions.

[@Swordcery]

@@AspiringDevil I appreciate the conversation. Good, civil back and forth is always welcome. And I understand where you’re coming from. For me, I appreciate that Dev is usually well-reasoning and researched when he makes a video. The livestream thing is a big trend along with Shorts on KZbin, they’re prioritizing the hell out of both with their algorithms right now. I think it’s bad for the content I prefer - well researched, often pre-scripted and edited videos. Instead, we frequently get things that are easier to make and now more promoted by the YT algorithm , but also far easier to dismiss out of hand if you disagree with the video’s point of view. A solid 10-15 minute Dev politics video is VERY hard to deny or dispute if you disagree. He typically brings his receipts and does a hell of a job being convincing but also reasonable and not dismissive of the other side. Even if somebody strictly disagreed with his position, they’ll be forced to concede that it’s a good argument and they can’t concretely refute his presented thoughts and ideas. However, when on a hot mic during a livestream, he loses a good bit of that edge - this isn’t his fault, most people can’t stay consistently researched when they’re live. The planning can still be there, but conversation will carry him away from where he’s best studied the subject. Lilith or the chat or a guest will frequently derail him, and an emotional response to the topic from one of those will carry him away from an excellent train of thought he might’ve been on. Instead, he may end up giving a hot take or speculate somewhere that he is not as well versed. With Scrump, they both kept each other more honest by having similar levels of preparation so that the emotional appealed would be challenged, if not outright shot down. I often wonder if these Shorts & Livestreams are being promoted for ideological reasons. Perhaps KZbin understands that if they promoted more-easily-debunked content then the harder to crack videos will fade away. Might just be a conspiracy, but it bothers me that almost everybody is just answering super chats and reading two articles daily instead of more difficult but succinct videos. Anyway, I’m happy for the convo. I still like Dev clearly - I’m still here! I’m rooting for the guy, vigorously! As for Sargon - I like Carl, and Lotus Eaters when he’s with some of the cohosts. Particular Callum. He’s ideological but still isn’t too divorced from reality. I just have a hard time listening to somebody pontificate when I feel strongly superior on the subject matter if it is a contentious subject where we disagree… and before the modern iteration of the TubCast, I only rarely file this way about any of Dev’s stuff, outside of an occasional piece of a Weekly Sip stream. If that makes sense 🤔

[@AspiringDevil]

@@Swordcery I lean towards market forces over conspiracy on the shorts & live stream push. Remember they were taking off before KZbinrs started trying to capitalize on it. I do share preference for edited content over live streams & improve. Which actually is probably the best evidence the streaming push was to promote the new Google features & responding to market forces. Google this year created shorts features & is pushing the hard. Do you know what the algorithm started pushing? Long form edited content! 🤣 Google was furious but has had to adapt because indeed the algorithm isn't wrong. The market for long form edited content is big & streams & shorts appeal to the lunch break podcast market so does a long video essay with chapters. Patrician TV & Billium are the 2 I personally what who where utterly shocked that they're 5 & 6 hour videos performed so well. Google do what ever it likes to advertise but the market will always drive the industry at the end of the day. For the Record I don't dislike Carl or disagree with all the time. He has just changed on a few key issues & become a bit doomer. Which is understandable it's just bit what I want to watch. He is definitely great when you put him with the right person to spring conversation off of. I love when he comes on Adam & Sitch (when he's bit telling them to stop making jokes about Academic Agent) he was great on the anniversary special.

[@Yawnymcsnore]

the right doesn't isolate the left won't engage with them

[@louiswilliams6478]

I respect you dev but it’s kinda wild that you think Brett is going off the deep end. Either way, I respect the honesty

[@hark9447]

I think your framing of Bret's talk on the "sussy sauce" (to avoid the censors) as spiraling is perhaps your aversion to black swans and general normative thinking. Your a moderate guy, you don't think in extremes - hence you predict in non extreme terms. But history isn't moderate and/or political realities its totally insane. Idk it feels like your moderate bent is similar to most economists way of dealing/betting with the market, "the numbers will always go up and bears are wrong "your right may be 90% of the time, then something like 2008 happens - just in this example switch out the economic example for a political/medical one Extended note: Bret is literally a medical chemist of some description, so it's not out of left field.

[@Keirnoth]

It's called normalcy bias. The idea that the COVID vaccine and the virus are not what he thinks it is probably is too radical of a take for him I think.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

i think there would be actual overwhelming evidence if the vaccine was killing even just 1% of people who have taken it, but it's just not the case.

[@Crade1]

@@ShortFatOtaku "If it happened, I wouldve heard about it on the news" What if, and bear with me here, what if, for example, the unprecedented and sudden increase of heart attacks in otherwise healthy, young people, that is not linked to the sussy sauce in the mainstream( but instead blamed on climate change, razisme and taking too hot/cold showers), may actually BE connected to the sussy sauce after all, but - and now hold on to your nuts - they are lying about it.

[@CmoreChap]

@@ShortFatOtaku HUH?! WHHHHHAAAAATTTT!! Wow that is truly Sam Harris levels of CoofDS. Just wow!! Please take a breath and think about just how naive, shallow and weak that arguement might be. Perhaps take a day or two and back watch Brett's Dark Horse channel, maybe challenge stop the lowest resolution TV MSM headlines as Big Science gospel truth. Just embarrassed for you!! Gob smackED!

[@hark9447]

@@ShortFatOtaku May be not killing outright, but long term side effects (even recognized by the court order released documents by Pf'r ) are real.

[@Bottlekiller]

Bro, the notion of Bret Weinstein becoming radicalized is a complete bs take, sorry. I watch his podcasts most of the time and I completely disagree. True he had some bad moments, like when he tried to justify circumcision on toddlers on the podcast, okay, but to say he becomes radicalized is nonsense to be frank. I agree with your assessment that Jordan Peterson is going off the deep end, and I too am disturbed by Maajid Nawaz' erratic behaviour, but Bret Weinstein has stayed fairly measured in the face of outrageous things (i.e. the whole Coof timeline). If anyone is a bit weird it's his brother Eric, that time when he told on Joe Rogan how he just sits in cafés or whatever and starts conversations with people while pretending to be someone else kinda rubbed me the wrong way, I dunno, someone who does that is not my jogger tbh. Anyway, I don't watch your streams (not out of disinterest in the topics or disagreement, but simply because they're so long and I already have a schedule of other longform content that I consume and if I squeeze in yet another one in it just becomes too much) but if you make diagnosis on there such as this one I can understand that some people get agitated by you. PS: I don't hate you or anything and I wont unsubscribe or whatever but I just think you're wrong.

[@littlesneets8026]

Can't say I will find myself on the same page as you, SFO. but I'll be honest, I REALLY appreciate your honesty, and I still have agreements with you on many of your other videos. You make pretty fair analysis and observations, you've raised good points I agree with, and even if you've changed your perspective on some things, I still appreciate you haven't taken down any of your videos that contradict your current thoughts. You're pretty consistent, and I'd say you're something of a medium for people to generally cool off and see topics being discussed from a mildly neutral perspective.

[@MrTickleTrunk]

Remember that most of the audience is the silent majority. Only those emotionally disagreeing are the ones who call you names, etc. A lot of ppl are partisan, find you, and then say bad things about you after watching you for a time and unsub.

[@Gengarlegend]

I lean more centrist/right, but I look forward to when we have disagreements because I know that I’m not disagreeing with someone who qualifies as a special Olympics competitor, I’m disagreeing with a reasonable person who has moral differences than me. Keep doing what you’re doing and don’t sell out/jump on a bandwagon for clout. Have a good day!

[@fareflight2029]

Bro Adam and Sitch have a very diverse audience. I know, I am literally a Christian right winger and I still get a lot out of both your video's and Adam and Sitch's streams. It's what I like about you and Adam and Sitch.

[@artsofthewood5748]

Same here.

[@sworddomo1951]

And im a troll that wants to know things so i could debate people correctly

[@scurvydog20]

Personally I just like joking about how stitch voted Biden because that would deradicalize the left

[@Zayindjejfj]

I don't like how they've particularly treated certain guests to the point where I sort of dipped out of their scope. But I still check in and appreciate what they've been doing overall. I think Adam being an atheist that genuinely sees the good in Christianity/religion and actually making a case for them helped me broaden my perspective. He often cut through the bullshit with other atheists and got to some very specific issues and tried to have meaningful conversations. That's not something most people are willing to do for a belief system they have no interest in actually believing.

[@sworddomo1951]

@@Zayindjejfj i really disliked their handling of the two talking about ukraine through Russia eyes.

[@AtrusOranis]

Dev: I do think you are an honest political commentators and genuinely appreciate you looking into some of the things others take on good faith. That said, there are a lot of things I disagree with you on ,and while that is ok, I do think you come off as a bit patronizing at times, arguing with your audience and demanding evidence, which 1) is hard to look up in the limited amount of time on the Livestream and 2) sometimes you miss the really good stuff in the cascade of crap that your arguing unleashes. You are much better with your scripted stuff, and even debates at times (when the opponent has time to actually have prepped material). And, While I agree Jordan Peterson's mannerisms have become a LOT more combative, I don't think he is necessarily unhinged. He's more conspiratorial, but ask yourself... Are there conspiracies? For example, there seems to be one Klaus Schwab who seems to be involved with a LOT of Canadian politics. Then there was the whole affair with the Hunter Biden laptop. Maybe I'm just a nutcase too, but at least I wish you would address some of your claims against him. I do think you are looking for the truth of things, but I am sometimes afraid that you are looking over the edge of what you know to be true...and backing away from it, scared of the implications, scared that you, too, will no longer be a centrist, but have been pushed from the ledge by the radical left and become pissed off at what is going on just as much as some of those whom you disparage.

[@AspiringDevil]

They had infinite time. Dev is still responding to the comments complaining he expects evidence. While I agree finding evidence on shirt notice is hard, no one made them make the demands for Dev to change his mind. They put themselves in that position. Also if your going to behave that way you can't be shocked you get it in return.

[@John-kc4cg]

I dont know how honest he is when he kept ducking louis le vau.

[@AtrusOranis]

@@AspiringDevil No, you don't have infinite time. You have until the next subject rolls around for discussion. Also, KZbin doesn't like allow for non-KZbin links to be posted on comments (or at least ones that might violate the community guidelines). AND there is the fact that certain topics are verboten or KZbin will strike you for even bringing a hint of disagreement with the narrative. As for making demands for Dev to change his mind, I get that some of the chat is toxic about it, but by putting his opinion out there, he is liable to get pushback when he says something others view as untrue. now, there are ways of doing it respectfully and a lot of the chat can be quite toxic in that regard, but it's not that they put themselves in the position by pushing back on things they think Dev is misled on, Especially when he claims to WANT pushback. But that said, he can sometimes come off as condescending, ignores certain more reasoned arguments, and instead attacks the stupid arguments. ​I can't say it's exactly strawmaning (because SOMEONE is making the arguments) but it's almost a kind of cherry picking. But I can't read Dev's mind, and I think that it's not that he's intentionally ignoring the good arguments. More that he is prone to look for certain arguments, argument's he's expecting to see.

[@AspiringDevil]

@@AtrusOranis okay not infinite time but a good chunk of time. Now I am very aware of how KZbin treats links but Dev as a discord, Twitter, ect that accept those links & if people just tell him the name of the page website or ect you can usually find it. Now hers my only real disagreement. Dev isn't complaining he got push back he us complaining about the toxic minority that where furious that he didn't cave to they're demands & had the audacity to ask them for evidence. It can come off as condescending if you ignore the context of who he is talking to & about. He spent the last to days responding to those same angry people in comments asking what he got wrong & what is he supposed to look up. They all gave him nothing, wouldn't even say what he got incorrect. Now that our of the way I think your concerns are fair. You hit on a problem of live streaming. I've seen it with non political streamers as well. It's usually not cherry picking, but that they are fixated on the person they where responding too or chat is going by so fast they miss stuff. Combine this with the human tendency to glaze over when faced with too much info. Yeah it's not a strawman, & it's closer to cherry picking but you would still need to prove intent. Hence why I point to the comments. If Dev was intentionally cherry picking he wouldn't be giving everyone time of day in the comments section. He would be either mute or looking for similar terrible arguments. Still like auden capture it is something good for both the audience & creators to be aware of.

[@AtrusOranis]

​@@AspiringDevil thanks for the tip about the Discord! Will check it out myself.

[@warrickmiller7651]

It seems like you talk about the audience like we are a hivemind. We aren't. Having closed loop audiences on any political side is a really bad idea. Also love your vids BTW ❤

[@AspiringDevil]

No he is being specific. It's the same people you see claiming no ever said what chat said.

[@BrojaM50]

Jordan Peterson is also a very agreeable person, and has said many times that "you should care what people think", he says that he uses the reactions of others to gauge whether he is on the right track (and that others) should do the same, so it isn't hard to see why Jordan would fall for audience capture.

[@BuenoMalio]

I was never able to quite put my finger on it with JBP but I found myself listening to him less and less. I was really excited to see him recover from his addiction and come back out into the social spotlight, but he just wasn't the same. I'll listen to his lectures, but I'm just not that interested in his podcast anymore.

[@dolomaticus1180]

I would say for JBP it is more of a tipping point with him: He has a lot of good information which helps you out a lot, but once you internalize what you need, there is less of a push to keep listening. But even with his resurgence, I dont get the feeling that he will go FULL SAM HARRIS, dear god that man set himself on fire.

[@yourmother8271]

Check your fire on Weinstein, bro. Those are some VERY well-reasoned people. I’d highly recommend their show to anyone, and I love yours as well. Keep it coming, I love your stuff.

[@heatseekerx51]

"Day of absence, where minority students and teachers were asked not to come to campus that day.... The idea was to highlight to white people what it would be like if people of color weren't there in class or performing their necessary functions..." So it was a quiet and peaceful day at school then?

[@allyspawn7910]

thats probably why they changed it...

[@BuckROCKGROIN]

Personally I haven't noticed you being combative with your audience, Dev. But I rarely catch your livestreams. You always seem harmless enough to me, but I'm an unhinged maniac.

[@chrizzel28]

In his streams he's definitely quite combative, but chat certainly doesn't help there. I like the fact that discussion is happening honestly but I just wish it didn't get as aggressive as it always seems to get.

[@limemason]

It's just banter and discourse, the channel would be boring if we all agreed on everything

[@AspiringDevil]

He's not combative but when the chat yells he does respond. He is pretty calm about though.

[@MrOnay-px1jx]

He keeps bringing this up literally every video at this point

[@BuckROCKGROIN]

@@chrizzel28 what little I've caught of Dev's livestreams Dev just seems to me like he's got a personality and balls. He says "rətå rded", but I respect him for that. But I've got thicker skin and a bigger mouth than most people.

[@han3wmanwukong125]

I was told once by a very wise person that life is about what you're willing to give to get what you want. Trade offs are the basic premise of economics. For a lot of people, they feel that a few bucks is worth their integrity, and for other people it really just comes down to shifting a little bit towards the money without also selling your soul. It all depends on the person.

[@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085]

Our disagreements tend to occur on topics you haven't done sufficient research on. Where as I go pretty deep into the topics, often 16 hours of research a day since my job allows me to do so. I'd say politically we are very close. Above all else I know you're a really good guy, and that's why I stay by you. You're not a fool but you do get fooled fairly often, but shit, so do I. Nobody is perfect.

[@AspiringDevil]

We get fooled, we get triggered, the importance thing is talking & joking with each other.

[@juancarlosbarriga3799]

I'd like to see SFO talk about anything substantive that Brett and Heather discuss without having to bring up the thing that put them into the spotlight. If you don't listen to Darkhorse, this video makes it seem like they were wrongfully attacked and jumped off the deep end. They usually go through articles and studies live while interpreting things through an evolutionary biological lense. I'm not even sure how you could know if they are or aren't being affected by audience capture. Just fighting with your audience in the comments is not enough to know although it is one signal and even then other forms of capture exist. How would one know if they aren't captured in those ways?

[@Keirnoth]

They just had an episode where they backed Roe v Wade and had a significant clash with moderates and right wingers. Then that was it. Next episode they continued to talk about other stuff. To say they're radicalized is ridiculous and I get a feeling Dev doesn't listen to Dark Horse like we do.

[@AspiringDevil]

@@Keirnoth unfamiliar my self with them so I'll take you at your word. To defend Dev's interpretation & yours at the same time. Fans notice subtle chances & details but casual observers can only be expected to pick up stark changes & what was blatantly stated.

[@Karathos]

Seems my high-brow satire about tribalism was too complex for KZbin so I'll rewrite my comment in a way that might not get it removed without any warning: Karathos want to be coddled, want to hear own tribe always right. Canadian man make complex video, speak too many long words. Grrr stoopid canadian man. Stay the course Dev, do your content the way you wanna do it. Even if your audience thinks you're wrong on something, it creates discussion. And that's what I subbed for at least, and you haven't let me down so far.

[@chrizzel28]

"If I'm gonna go out it's gonna a different way than that" Guys I think Dev might have found those Mara Lago nuclear codes that definitely exist.

[@AspiringDevil]

Now that's a good ending 👌

[@florkyman5422]

Audience capture is a feedback loop. It also hurts your ability to gain new followers. In video game terms it's the choice. Between a game catering to the worst part of the audience, or it being so bland and "relatable" it's made for no one. Extremes are bad and everything in moderation. Figure JP might have figured that out after the addiction. Idk if he has. But he's probably still good on psychology.

[@TheOriginalJAX]

Must say I could not agree more on this one, There are a few creators I use to love to watch but they did just this and became unbearable to the point of hating some of them honestly. Then there are other creators that you try out see if you can gel with what they are doing and how they run things, But find out they have a weird thing going with their audience that makes them behave extremely irrationally to the point of a cultist clique that has gotten to comfortable. Worst part is they just drag everyone else down with them like Sitch & Adam being a perfect example of just this. They get away with so much BS it's not even funny.

[@TheRecession5075]

I've been watching you since gg and I have to say I respect you for sticking to your principles. Because that's the most important quality of a person. Now a discussion on their beliefs and how they got there is something separate but as long as they stay true to their philosophy then they get my respect.

[@spazmang101]

Dev didn't say he loves us at the end of this video. The plot thickens, the mask slips!

[@AspiringDevil]

We better go make sure that Kiwi Farms is aware of that!

[@Niyucuatro]

I'd rather he stopped. Always felt creepy to me.

[@crakhaed]

I just hate that it ended in the middle of his last word cutting himself off lol

[@nestword5654]

You are one of the few people that actually taught me the value of heathy disagreement, and for that I'm so thankful of you. However, when chat legitimately have a point it's not audience capture to just simply agree with them, sometimes it feels like you're just disagreeing with chat for the sake of disagreeing under the pretense of avoiding "audience capture". There's a fine balance between them.

[@Keirnoth]

This is why I said you need a right winger as your co-host. We watched your stuff because you had Lilith, yourself and Scrump to form the trifecta. Like I said, you need someone coming from the right to keep you in check the way the left does. I have noticed a slight uptick of Vaush level idiocy in the comments, but I think us right wingers keep those guys in check.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

i dont know a rightwinger who would want to be on the show consistently. maybe taftaj sometimes

[@limemason]

@@ShortFatOtaku Jordan Peterson

[@wtice4632]

@@ShortFatOtaku taftaj is hardly a rightwinger. You cant be serious.

[@Keirnoth]

@@ShortFatOtaku Yeah, I still love watching you. Just saying it's good to have someone keeping you in check. Like someone here said, sometimes we are wrong, but sometimes you are wrong as well.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@wtice4632 she's absolutely a conservative. she is center-right, not far-right.

[@Orjahlian]

I disagree with your videos many times, but I feel it's important to listen to respectable individuals I disagree with both to broaden my own perspective on topics, and keep myself grounded in the humanity of those who disagree with me. I always come away from your videos thinking that, while we may mutually regard the others opinion on a topic as misinformed or plain stupid, we could shake hands and live with each other or even have an amicable relationship. You're a good, thoughtful, person Dev, and it comes across in these videos. Thanks for the content over the years, and I love you. Stay you.

[@laurene988]

I did disagree with a lot of your takes recently but only because I felt it was lacking an empathetic take of the alternative viewpoint. The man who attacked the trap rapist was the worst take and I'm still disgusted by it. The libsoftiktok was a milder case of that because ya know... teachers should be held to a higher standard. I know because growing up in Ireland I was fuelled by a teachers political beliefs to hate any British people I encountered or anyone who was even sympathetic to them. So I know how easy it is to fall to those view points. And they have no place in school. Schools should teach you the basics of what you'll need. Not try to influence the minds of people in your care. I said before and it still stands, I'll watch you even if I disagree as long as I feel like your giving a genuine and fair interpretation. If your research slips then I guess I just won't watch as frequently. Although I do think you're coming across as nasty and ungrateful in your comment section a lot, which is probably part of the reason you're getting hate. Shedding fans shouldn't dominate your life, but it isn't always positive to drive away your fan base with alternative opinions since you're only part of the content. I also enjoy reading comments from people who disagree or think it should be taken even further. You always wanted to be a haven for ideals of all kinds. But now you're saying how glad you are to scare some away. And most aren't even radicals.

[@thundursa8700]

Dev, we may fundamentally disagree on a few things, mainly due to the fact that you’re an atheist and I’m a Christian. However, I still enjoy watching you because it is YOUR views and principles being explained in a fair manner with as little bias as possible. I appreciate the nuance you add to conversations surrounding different topics. Helps me think outside the box and not be stuck in an echo chamber. Thanks for the videos, man! Love you!! 😉👍

[@elusivemayfly7534]

Well said! I feel the exact same way.

[@conserva-chan2735]

As a tradcath and Christian Democrat unfortunately living in the U.S, this reflects my sentiments exactly big man.

[@femsplainer]

2:44 It's actually a Positive Feedback loop, not a Negative one. A Negative feedback loop reduces the presentation of the feedback with each iteration, ie a fire in a sealed glass jar will burn brightly at first but as it consumes the oxygen the flame will get smaller and cooler and eventually snuff itself out. Positive feedback loops are what happens when the input amplifies future inputs, ie when you put two microphones next to each other and they continuously amplify the tiny electronic sounds they make until it hurts our ears.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

right, sorry

[@ParchmentKH77ftw]

I find it kind of interesting, many of the people in the IDW sphere were responsible for moving me away from more fringe and radical views. They helped me become a more open and accepting person, compared to when I was younger. I don't know if I'm any less tribal than I used to be, but I think I've gotten better at helping people. Hopefully that's good enough.

[@H250V]

I don"t know what's going on exactly, and while I do agree with the points in this video, if you did something that even your audience is arguing was wrong or are not even considering their view on it, then there's probably something wrong on your end, mate. (Like the first post you showed from your thread: some peoole actually believe that you are in love with Lillith, and that's why you don't cut her off from your podcast, even though I think that's stupid; even if she's wrong, she can still bring her own thoughts into the conversation; that's the point of a discussion.) I will stick around still because I enjoy your stuff, but sometimes do learn to take the L.

[@brendanhoover7031]

Great video dev! It's been very difficult for me to admit that Jordan doesn't have the impact that he once did, but that doesn't diminish any of his great work from the past. Jordan will always be my hero and I'll be grateful for all the things he did to improve my life.

[@Harrier42861]

I strongly disagree with some of your takes, and don't watch other videos because I don't expect to learn anything from them even though I agree with the video's premise. And as far as live content... eh. I enjoy the thoroughness of scripted content more. I like listening to you try to work through concepts, even when I disagree with the conclusions you draw. In short, I feel like I'm a more well-rounded person by listening to you. That said... you're totally vulnerable to the frailities of the human condition, just like all of us. A little more humility in the moment and a little less indulging the fun of getting in an argument for the fun of it might serve you well from time to time.

[@Amantducafe]

Arguing with the audience but still keeping them is a sign of a healthy discourse and maturity... or just trolls going for a lolcow, you are not great for lols, dev, you are a cow tho.

[@Dumbledoresarmy13]

I can't say I follow any of those people closely enough to judge whether or not they are simply leaning into their own biases because of the confidence a fanbase gives them, or the fanbase is drawing them in to a bias that is common among them. But in all this time I have come across many of your videos and you seem to have remained pretty consistent and down to earth. It's that kind of thing that made me actually sub (on odysee, i realize i wasnt subbed here, oops). It's refreshing to listen to something about politics that's relatively untainted by the varieties of paranoia that permeate online spaces these days. I don't watch your gaming videos but it's reassuring to know you have a hobby outside of politics and are giving yourself time for it. Even average joes with no youtube channel get drawn in to a downward spiral when their eyes are glued to the headlines 24/7.

[@willcifur]

I respect the hell out of respecting your audience enough to not pander to them. We don’t want to create our version of the flawed echo chambers we spent time from our lives sneering at. The best conversations I’ve ever had were with people who took the time to know where they stand on things. I could talk and debate for hours with someone who took the time to work through all the angles and help me fill in the parts my bias blinds me to. People might not understand it , but you disagreeing with them and wanting them to return to do it again is a respect not often afforded these days. You put them on your level.

[@AscendantStoic]

Except this faux respect is sadly preventing him from listening to many of the facts his audience are trying to point out to him, leaving him ignorant and misinformed, and this video is a prime example of that.

[@a-aron391]

That actually is one of the reasons I watch your channel Dev, is because I on occasion disagree with you and that is a good and healthy thing that keeps me grounded. Your political vids are extremely well researched, and are actually more thought provoking than say listening to Matt Walsh or Steven crowder or Matt Christiansen all of who I may in label be closer to my own personal political stances. You really do good enriching work Dev.

[@FarelForever]

I left many content creators over time, as they shifted time and time again, left-ward or right-ward. I still have my trust in you, and hope it'll stay this way, regardless of minor disagreements that sometimes pop up. A lot of other people make me feel uncomfortable, like the slightest disagreement is a potential reason for hatred that they might feel towards me. With you, I always get the feeling that it's okay to have different views, and it's always stuff that can be talked about without anyone pulling out a knife.

[@NormanconEVE]

I personally come here for videos like this. I enjoy how well thought out your points are whether I agree with you or not. Please keep them up! I always get exited when I see new ones.

[@chasedavis9336]

"Isn't it more interesting when we actually disagree, and we can use those disagreements to explore new ideas and figure things out?" This right here is the reason I subscribed to you and now recommend you to my friends, I even say I don't always agree with you, but I find you well educated and someone who deeply thinks about his opinions and why he HAS those opinions.

[@david.bowerman]

Dev, you are one channel I found that even when I don't agree with your conclusion or position, I still watch the content because I perceive the positions you express to be at the very least genuine. That is what I look for when I watch any kind of content. I don't like the overly emoting, the world is going to end stuff or people who say my opponents are entirely wrong because both are untrue. You are the only person that has been able to present a good reason for having a public funded healthcare system, I still have concerns about it as I have a strong distrust for government though.

[@emanekaf9520]

I have been wanting a video on the topic, so thanks Dev for succinctly laying it out. I have been a lurker since the GG days. I had noticed this phenomenon happen to quite a few content creators since 2015 e.g. AA, Shoe, Sargon, whom I still watch on occasion. I am glad you have the ability to disagree with your audience without burning too many bridges. Keep up the good work.

[@mikepence1933]

interacting with leftists has radicalised me 100x as much as ignoring them

[@lonelygod6496]

The mistake you make is thinking it's radicalization instead of natural sorting. People do not and can not live with people who fundamentally disagree with them. Maybe you can make it work for a bit, but eventually one side forces the other to conform. The only solution to this is to stop trying to make everyone get along and find a way for people to sort into their own communities as they want. If that requires countries like the US and Canada, that are too large to be sustained, to be broken up, then we should do it, so that the new resulting countries can operate in the way they think is best for them, instead of trying to force a "happy medium"

[@crakhaed]

It's so tough, because in spirit I agree with you, but at the same time it's disturbing to imagine what that kind of dissolution would wreak in the real world in terms of keeping the economic balance and standard of living intact, as much as it's fucked now, it still exists. IDK, it seems like it would be a huge relief to rid ourselves of those who vehemently oppose our values, but I don't know what would be lost as a result of such a drastic change. Life just has so many layers of complexity and everything exists as tradeoffs.

[@zman7357]

You captured me because you are very good at articulating your points, and you seem to genuinely care about having a consistent but not uncompromising moral framework. haven't seen any change to that in the couple years I've been around.

[@j4t1nd3r]

I generally find even when I disagree with you on some aspects you are always making strong points that generally soften my position. Out of everyone I follow, I believe you are the most fair to both sides.

[@luciferthedoberman8991]

LOL! My fav thing about Dev is we can disagree, but still be civil. This community is great because we are not an echo chamber.

[@Irishcrossing]

Honestly, i feel deradicalized with your content. Your takes are probably the most reasonable takes even if I disagree with them. You put in the work to justify your claims that most dont and would rather chase clout and defame other side. I still adhere to right leaning politics, I absolutely disagree with your stance on the degregulation bit and that useless beaurocrats are the decebtralized force, but i still come back to watch your vids. For your tubcasts, i have stopped watching them, the entertainment calue kind of dropped and its too long for me to watch, i got vtubers to simp for fam. I'd rather get into an argument with you simply because i know you argue from good faith and not use your platform to lampoon others with smug victory and clout chasing.

[@remyllebeau77]

Please don't simp for anyone. As for the longer form content, you can speed up the speed of the video if your brain can handle listening faster. There is even a browser extension that can increase the speed faster than 2x.

[@xenn4985]

I disuhgree with this sentiment about dev. He's not reasonable, he's just a midwit. Which is fine, but when he eventually digs his heels in its gonna be a fucking shit show.

[@Callamalcolm]

You do you, SFO. Don't let the h8ers stop you. Even if I don't always agree with you, your arguments and well done videos always inspire me to think for myself and keep critical asking about the mainstream. You are not a radical, but a voice of reason in a sea of insanity.

[@remyllebeau77]

Why is being a radical wrong and the middle ground automatically right? If I'm radically against kicking puppies, is that wrong? Would you rather prefer the guy in the middle point of view that says he doesn't know if it is wrong or not, or he says he doesn't agree with either side? It is the moderate position compared to the two EXTREMES of being either pro-kicking puppies and anti-kicking puppies.

[@AspiringDevil]

@@remyllebeau77 how many people are you willing to kill or subjugate in order to stop these vile puppy kickers? What liberties & natural freedoms would you destroy for it? If the answer is 0 then your not a radical. I get your point but your pretending centrist aren't allowed to have positions & there is no nuance or gradient to political positions. You can be right or left wing & not be a radical, in fact most of them arn't. Which come to think of it is probably why the radicals are so pissy all the time. He never said the middle always good.

[@41-Haiku]

@@remyllebeau77 I think you've accidentally built a common straw-man. The middle ground of any two positions can't possibly be automatically right, and almost no one will say that it is. However, being a political radical in a liberal democracy comes with its own context, which seems to be what Callamalcom is referring to. More often than not, being a radical in this context means taking something relatively stable and functional and modifying it until it explodes, while shutting out any opposition who is able to tell you why it is about to explode. Even when radical progressive change or radical conservation is necessary, it would be foolish to dismiss centrists off-hand. They are the people who can bring the other side closer. If there is no center, there is only war.

[@luck3yp0rk93]

@@remyllebeau77 it’d be nice to understand why someone would be pro kicking puppies, so you can formulate that anti kicking puppies position with more sophistication and save more innocent puppies by changing the minds of pro kicking puppy people. To use your terrible analogy to explain the moderates view

[@remyllebeau77]

@@luck3yp0rk93 You forget that the moderate is not on the extreme anti kicking puppies side. And it isn't a terrible analogy, it exposes the moderate fallacy very well.

[@TheSetkon]

Of all the drifts, I think the Brett Weinstein case makes a lot of sense. In his first Joe Rogan appearance, he describes the events and trends that led to that day on campus and it seems like he was partially still in disbelief about what had happened. It got to the point when I found myself yelling in my mind - why didn't you call this out sooner? did you not see where this was going? In his further appearances he progressively inquired into the origins of it all and I think he finally allowed himself a look into the woke abyss and what he saw pushed him far away from his former circles as he would realise the assumed good will of the progressive movement is a nefarious cover for a far more nefarious plot. It's the behaviour of a man who had to reconsider a lot of what he thought he knew and believed...

[@LCKnecht]

Great video. Never relent on your principles, you'll always be much more interesting that way. I've never heard it described as audience capture, but I've seen the phenomenon dozens of times. It's very common here on youtube, but I've seen it on message boards, ytmnd, and even my FLGS. I don't agree with you on everything but I stick around because you don't flip-flop, you don't pander, and you don't alienate anyone that wants to engage in civil discourse. It's not exactly superstar material, but in this over-politicized climate you're burning bright for those of us that are level-headed and looking to escape the vitriol. Thanks

[@Pyrotrainthing]

It’s hard to remember that you can disagree with a content creator but you can still watch them, keep up the arguing

[@yarlodek5842]

I love the chat arguments, dev. They’re fun to watch and sometimes fun to participate in. I’ve never ever been under the impression that you were turning on your audience and anyone who thinks that is an idiot. Even if I’ve been disagreeing with more of your stances recently, I can still respect your positions and I still enjoy the videos. Plus, your willingness to argue with chat shows that you aren’t spineless and that’s extremely respectable.

[@AspiringDevil]

I seriously don't understand why people who argue in chat get mad that a creator jumps in & argues backs. Anyone see people try to shame Sitch & Adam for letting Destiny talk to chat the same way chat was talking to him. Even Sargon tried it.

[@MMDelta9]

Change is inevitable in all of us. You will change any variety of reasons. You'll get better at your craft, time and experience will grant new perspectives, life itself will force you to evolve in ways you cannot expect. You've always been amongst the most left channels I watch but I've never found myself fundamentally disagreeing with you over anything other than minutia.

[@EatWave]

Some people are so accustomed to echo chambers that spirited debate or even mild disagreements or basic corrections look like vitriolic arguments.