On Cloudboom Strike LS

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kofuzi

kofuzi

Күн бұрын

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@LashanR
@LashanR 2 күн бұрын
Very cool tech, though for $330 I was expecting On to scan my foot and print the upper perfectly true to size (I thought that was the whole point of a printed shoe 😂)
@LFKY13
@LFKY13 2 күн бұрын
My question is: The new Alphafly’s cost $285-$300 so why isn’t Nike getting the same treatment of skepticism and demands as On? I believe you’re paying for a new laceless technology that is almost completely carbon neutral, sustainable and made in house. Nike is making their products in china/vietnam with god knows what working conditions with 0 sustainability in mind other than maybe the box it comes in.
@matthewpena4169
@matthewpena4169 2 күн бұрын
The tech is definitely adaptable to personalized fits in the future assuming the lasts can be easily printed. also, if the smooth interior is bothersome, the lasts could be textured, and the sprayed-on material will take up that texture.
@oiagreek
@oiagreek 2 күн бұрын
@@LFKY13but Nike doesn’t advertise their production tech like On does. If they are making the tech the highlight of it, people would reasonably expect that as part of the shoe experience and are paying for it
@nicholas5396
@nicholas5396 2 күн бұрын
Give it a few years. That very well could come to a shoe store near you at some point. Or even better a cell phone app and socks with dots plotted on them. Custome order on phone, shows up two weeks later in the mail. No more questions about fits true to size or not 😮
@nicholas5396
@nicholas5396 2 күн бұрын
What if in a few years a foot scanner comes to a shoe store near you at some point. Or even better a cell phone app and socks with dots plotted on them. Custom order on phone, shows up two weeks later in the mail. No more questions about fits true to size or not 😮
@calebashburn8943
@calebashburn8943 2 күн бұрын
Ooh, looking forward to a 100 mile review video on this one now! Super cool video!
@LFKY13
@LFKY13 2 күн бұрын
For anybody concerned about the longevity even after Mike’s review. I want you guys to know that I attended a private event at the On NYC Labs and got to talk to Johannes (the creator of LightSpray) for a good amount of time and he’s so confident about the material that his next project is to put this in a more accesible daily trainer. It seems LightSpray is here to stay for the long run.
@styx15
@styx15 2 күн бұрын
Usually how shoe tech goes. Starts in the top stuff and works its way down, just like how a bunch of daily trainers have PEBA now.
@michaeltanel3815
@michaeltanel3815 Күн бұрын
​@@styx15Good point. Frankly depending on the way it's used, this type of innovation might actually make me interested in trying an On shoe.
@DZero_Aperture
@DZero_Aperture 2 күн бұрын
Agree with some of the other comments. For $330 I would expect them to scan my foot and make the upper match me 1:1 which would be amazing. Glad there is growing competition from On though, even if I don't prefer their shoes.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I was thinking about it quite on my run after publishing this video, and I'm thinking that, depending on how marketing costs get allocated to this shoe, how R&D costs get allocated, and the relative small number of units that they will likely be making, this shoe probably costs On more than $330 to produce. If they made like 10x (or some other hypothetical amount) the shoes at the same price, maybe they'd make profit. If they made 15x, then maybe the price could come down (which isn't typically a priority for On) or there could be more customization. I did ask about customization though and how it would intersect with the rules against bespoke or custom shoes for elite athletes at World Athletics events. The On rep I was speaking with didn't have an answer for me at the time.
@benjaminsantiagosstuff
@benjaminsantiagosstuff 2 күн бұрын
I subscribe to the cyclon shoes and it would be so cool if you could scan your foot and then subscribe to the LS when you have a race.
@TBasianeyes
@TBasianeyes 2 күн бұрын
@@kofuzi believe it or not, they are surely making a profit on this shoe. because we already know that a flagship shoe can be sold for over 450$. it's really hard to price in the r&d because that usually has a different amortization schedule.
@Prakash.Uthappa
@Prakash.Uthappa 2 күн бұрын
Amazing shoe! Weight and other parameters aside, this is a quantum leap in shoe tech. Kudos to On, for being brave to go down this path, unlike the other manufacturers just playing it safe.
@JohnBirtchetSharpe
@JohnBirtchetSharpe 2 күн бұрын
We are so lucky being around at this time of innovation ❤
@FrancescaBuscicchio
@FrancescaBuscicchio Күн бұрын
As a shoes nerd, I just love this brave idea of shoe and I’m impressed by the technology. I think that On is doing an amazing job 😄
@Feanaro5503
@Feanaro5503 2 күн бұрын
I can’t comprehend the courage required to wear socks that don’t go up high enough to prevent the shoe touching raw skin 😅
@adrianbjones
@adrianbjones 2 күн бұрын
Triathletes go no socks at all and it's no problem for most shoes.
@LFKY13
@LFKY13 2 күн бұрын
The material is very smooth on the inside. It’s not the same surface as the outside.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
it could have gone very poorly. thankfully, it worked out just fine
@chrissellers4519
@chrissellers4519 2 күн бұрын
I had a lot of early ON shoes because they were fun and quirky, I moved away from them because 'normal' shoes were just better. Seems ON have figured this out too.
@itaymeiri5745
@itaymeiri5745 2 күн бұрын
The future I'm excited about: Going to the store. Getting your feet scanned. See what is the best fit of lets say 10 predetermined lasts. have the machine spray that last in a few minutes. I just don't think the economics of this machine can let that happen :(
@LFKY13
@LFKY13 2 күн бұрын
@@itaymeiri5745 not only the economics but the lack of engineers that are educated about this machine’s hardware/software plays a huge role as well. Johannes had mentioned he didn’t even want to be at NYC but that he needed to be there because only 2-3 people at On know how to troubleshoot and work around the machine in case of a failure.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I can't remember if it was Drew, Bromka, or someone else that I was with in New York when we were watching the machine, but that person reminded me that localized shoe production was the promise with Adidas 3D printed shoes, too. And I feel like the industry would have to just change so much, and shoe stores would have to continually invest so much, that I'm skeptical that we are anywhere close to any brand having any machine that would be able to custom produce a shoe based on a customer's actual foot in real time.
@michaeltanel3815
@michaeltanel3815 Күн бұрын
​@@kofuziAlso remember that the promise of 3D printing in general was similar. Everyone could print everything they'd ever need. Where are 3D printers now? I agree with you, probably not feasible at a store level.
@chocolatechow7697
@chocolatechow7697 2 күн бұрын
as always , much appreciated for explaining the line up and special thanks for letting me know at 16:20 🤓
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I got you
@mav3ric100
@mav3ric100 2 күн бұрын
Don't get me wrong the upper and the process they're using to make it looks cool but as soon as I saw the shoe in the thumbnail...what brought me here was what the middle was going to be like. I don't buy shoes for the upper, but rather the missile experience. The upper is a nice icing and as long as its got a good lockdown, I couldn't careless. What I care about is what I'm going to be landing on with each strikes/steps and will it be as wonderful as the beautiful design of the shoe.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I'm pretty much the same. An upper can ruin a shoe, but it usually isn't a selling feature for me. And just like I thought the lightness of the foam in the Evo 1 was it's killer feature, I think the lightness of the LS (which is possible because of this upper) is really quite impressive.
@TommyEnroth
@TommyEnroth 2 күн бұрын
Love your content! These kind of information videos are very helpful.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Күн бұрын
happy to hear that!
@LashanR
@LashanR 2 күн бұрын
Been waiting for this!
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
thanks for your patience!
@Johnnydodgin
@Johnnydodgin 2 күн бұрын
Would love to see a ‘Kofuzi World Tour’ series featuring an episode with a visit to the ON offices in Switzerland.. 👌
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
fun fact: when I was in Zurich for the Mondo vs Warholm race, one of the group activities was a walking tour. And the tour company was going to take us to go see the On campus, but they didn't realize that everyone was here on a media trip with Puma. so that part of the tour was removed from the itinerary, and the tour company did a very good job of finding other last minute places for us to go to fill up the tour schedule.
@cohan.forcer
@cohan.forcer 2 күн бұрын
Great video, gave me a lot of answers. Also loved "On explained" part!
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@LukeTalbot3
@LukeTalbot3 2 күн бұрын
What a fascinating shoe, I love lacing up my shoes and all, but the efficiency in not having to tie and untie your shoes 👀
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
and you won't have to worry about them getting untied, which the Cloudboom Echo 3 was particularly problematic for me
@ScheKitoff
@ScheKitoff 12 сағат бұрын
Their loops should be on the mid for compression feels during transition- they can keep the stack height and firm foam. I know they have engineers for that but it seems like theyve considered bounce for walking more.
@iwubgygan8404
@iwubgygan8404 16 сағат бұрын
Reminds me of Adidas City Socks shoes and those were my one of my favorite comfy lifestyle shoes :o
@Kyujin_Jang
@Kyujin_Jang Күн бұрын
Looking forward to your review in the new Asics Novablast 5❤
@sean6222
@sean6222 Күн бұрын
Concerned about longevity. Also the price is insanely inflated. It's not my job to pay for ONs expensive equipment 😅
@ticodatte
@ticodatte 2 күн бұрын
very cool shoes and video, but my question is adios pro 3 still worth buying right now?? adios pro 4 is so near....
@ponderingfox
@ponderingfox 21 сағат бұрын
Hey! Will there be a buyer's guide coming out in the next couple weeks before Thanksgiving Shopping? Also, I just noticed you cracked 200k. Congratulations!
@mitchellbjerke5547
@mitchellbjerke5547 Күн бұрын
Fordy runs called Adios pro 3 the best supertrainer for 2025. Was surprised and now potentially interested.
@AdrianNiveau
@AdrianNiveau 2 күн бұрын
Interesting shoe and great direction ON is taking. Nevertheless I got hard times liking the cloudeclipse and cloudsurfer next I got. They both are cushioned but still firmer. The sizing is so different, cloudeclipse runs wide and long. The speedboard is annoying and outsole is collecting stones and dirt a lot.
@sunjoy1010
@sunjoy1010 2 күн бұрын
오늘은 약간 더 말이 빠르신 거 같아요! ㅋㅋㅋㅋ재미있게 잘 봤습니다🎉
@ShoeFinderMan
@ShoeFinderMan 2 күн бұрын
코푸지 한글도 읽나요? ㅎㅎ 한글로 라방하면 대박일듯요
@sunjoy1010
@sunjoy1010 2 күн бұрын
@ ㅋㅋㅋㅋ아마 그냥 지나치실 듯해요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 그냥 한글로 족적남기기 해봤어요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 😀😀
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I can read a very little Korean. but thank you for watching, even if I'm talking a bit faster than normal.
@ShoeFinderMan
@ShoeFinderMan 2 күн бұрын
@kofuzi you shoud do a korean livestream. I bet it will be awesome :)
@robspl
@robspl 2 күн бұрын
It all looks amazing. This is how the future is built. However, I am keeping a close eye on long-term durability. The fact that it will be on spikes, in my opinion, does not necessarily mean that it will be durable during longer use. Elite can replace these spikes whenever they want, so the only thing that is really known for now is that you can use this material hard. How long? We'll see, I keep my fingers crossed!
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Күн бұрын
I will concede that the use of the material in a spike is not direct proof that the material has durability, but I think we should also recognize that there is no direct proof one way or the other (otherwise we would just refer to that longevity data). stay tuned for the 100 mile review.
@RoshanFernandez-md5cf
@RoshanFernandez-md5cf 2 күн бұрын
Great video 🙌🏽, thank you. Would love to try them but the price 😱. May be more tempted with the little talked about but crazy light 361 miro nude 110g 😮.
@Scott_Graham
@Scott_Graham 2 күн бұрын
It's giving me early 2000's And 1 slip on basketball shoe vibes.
@juandiegozubillaga
@juandiegozubillaga 2 күн бұрын
Kristian Blummenfelt using this shoes at Kona IM was awesome
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
did he go sockless?
@Simo.PT.
@Simo.PT. 2 күн бұрын
​@@kofuzino. Fun fact: On scanned his feet but he preferred the model from another athlete
@thediton
@thediton 2 күн бұрын
On goes from extremely long laces for the standard cloudboom strike to ‘no laces are required’ for this LS
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
it's like Mattingly's sideburns
@philipwood7673
@philipwood7673 2 күн бұрын
What's the durability for these and the standard Cloudboom Strike? Do they still come with the 4 marathons warning that the Cloudboom Echo 3 did?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
it did not come with the same warning
@therapygrind
@therapygrind 2 күн бұрын
Ventilation & moisture management? Does ON have anything to say about how the shoe handles the environment, cold & heat, foot swelling, etc? I noticed you splashed in some puddles in the Cloud Surfer scenes but not this shoe...
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I wouldn't read too much into the splashing. I can't control the weather. If there's puddles, I'll run through them. If there aren't, I won't hold a review video in the hopes that some might arise.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
the foam is pebax that is partially bio-based. I would anticipate that the shoe handles cold temperatures as well as other pebax compounds (I want to call this a bio pebax, but bio pebax is a trade name and there must be a reason why On doesn't use that phrase).
@Dogwalkerdave
@Dogwalkerdave 2 күн бұрын
Did they mention to you when they would be available? I can’t imagine the price here in Canada 😳. They look amazing though.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I tend to forget to ask about when shoes will become available
@Dogwalkerdave
@Dogwalkerdave 2 күн бұрын
@ no worries.
@Manuel-901
@Manuel-901 2 күн бұрын
Hi. Crazy expensive=No for me. Like from 🇪🇸 Spain. A nice week for everyone.
@glennjthompson332
@glennjthompson332 2 күн бұрын
"The Bionic Runner Adventure"🏃😁👍
@MAmir-dl2iz
@MAmir-dl2iz 2 күн бұрын
Is it breathable tho?
@sluggle7694
@sluggle7694 2 күн бұрын
I assume not if it’s a solid upper.
@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183
@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 2 күн бұрын
On his LS, kofuzi blew into it and declared that it was surprisingly breathable, though I wouldn’t have thought that possible with anything but a fabric.
@laalaa99stl
@laalaa99stl 2 күн бұрын
You can definitely 3D print TPU (or whatever On is using) to incorporate air holes. I think Mr. Fuzi would have said something if his feet were heating up.
@garethevans2499
@garethevans2499 2 күн бұрын
Random aside: do your neighbours pester you for shoe advice? They must do, right?
@Wieeeeee
@Wieeeeee Күн бұрын
Is it water resistant? 💦
@XavierV37
@XavierV37 2 күн бұрын
The upper is cool but if they can adjust foam and rubber pads custom to my feet they will hit the holy grail
@alexeihensel6257
@alexeihensel6257 2 күн бұрын
This is so cool.
@rubarb1275
@rubarb1275 Күн бұрын
Cloudy with a chance of meatballs! 😂
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Күн бұрын
love that movie
@whostorrey
@whostorrey 2 күн бұрын
we been waiting for this one.. yoooooooo
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
hope you enjoy!
@31_pandeputuarymahendra58
@31_pandeputuarymahendra58 2 күн бұрын
what do you think about 2XU Compression Ko?
@pastorbeaucoffman2214
@pastorbeaucoffman2214 2 күн бұрын
Could you wear without socks?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I'm not sure the insole/midsole part that you stand on would be comfortable for that, but there's nothing about the upper that would prevent it (other than the fact that the upper is semi translucent and your toes would be visible. I remember when the zoom fly sp came out and there was a sail version. the potential for seeing toes really bothered a lot of people
@prateekrajbhandari
@prateekrajbhandari 2 күн бұрын
I want to be tied to the ON table while the bot sprays the upper directly on my foot. That's the only way my weirdly shaped foot is going to get justice!
@chandratamang6381
@chandratamang6381 2 күн бұрын
wow ❤
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
yo
@AndrewMosc
@AndrewMosc 2 күн бұрын
Maybe it’s me but I thought that using the robot and the tech would decrease the production price of the shoes and that this would be passed onto the customer……silly me 😂
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I think you are assuming that the current pricing would reflect the end stage of the benefits of economic scale. from what I understand, we are at the very beginning
@frre9302
@frre9302 2 күн бұрын
It misses a stryd mount! ;)
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
this and the Peg Turbo Shield are not Stryd compatible
@samuelrice7684
@samuelrice7684 2 күн бұрын
How do you like the new 2XU compression tights? $160 but they look great…just curious about function. Thanks!
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
omg, they are instantly my favorite session tights. they've got lots of pockets and I love the graduated/targeted compression. it's overkill for a regular easy run, but for a workout in chilly temps, they're going to be the first ones that I reach for
@samuelrice7684
@samuelrice7684 2 күн бұрын
@kofuzi appreciate the feedback! Do you have any link or anything for kickback?
@brianway4240
@brianway4240 2 күн бұрын
Now I will admit I may have missed something, but I don't remember hearing the word 'lockdown' in this. I really admire the omission and consider this a big step forward for Kofuzi. I am not kidding. ShoeTubers seem to have invented the term in relation to shoes. I have never experienced nor sought lockdown. I have never wondered how much lockdown a shoe possessed. How could I when it didn't exist? I had never heard of it prior to KZbin's popularity. I am not being sarcastic in the least. Keep this up!
@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183
@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 2 күн бұрын
Well, most of us have experienced the phenomenon when it’s lacking, whether you had heard that word or not. When a shoe feels like your foot is wallowing around in a shoe in any way instead of feeling like an extension of your foot (ideally, you’re not thinking at all about the shoe when things fit right), it’s very frustrating. Everyone’s foot is different in relation to every model of shoe. When too many runners complain of the same thing--either a lacing system that’s not cinching securely, or a heel that too many runners tend to slide out of too easily to give 2 examples--then that shoe may have a flaw or at least weakness in that department. What else would you propose to call that phenomenon and why do you deny that it exists? At the very least, one should be able to state that “for me, the lack of supportive elements combined with the voluminous toebox of the Rebel 4 didn’t provide a secure lockdown”-for a personal example.
@brianway4240
@brianway4240 2 күн бұрын
@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 You claim lockdown exists. Did you make such a claim prior to KZbin existence? I don't think anybody did.
@laalaa99stl
@laalaa99stl 2 күн бұрын
Halo product. Designed to get you to come into the store -- and buy a different On shoe. I don't see this tech ever trickling down to the rest of us.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
someone else mentioned it in the comments already, but there is currently concepts of a plan to put this into a wide variety of shoes. when On found this technology, the inventor was suggesting that it could be used for kids shoes, casual shoes, and performance product.
@SerjiRun
@SerjiRun 2 күн бұрын
Omg🎉
@hahaheslop
@hahaheslop Күн бұрын
ON's lineup is so confusing. The price is putting me off wanting to try more of them. I got a pair of Cloudrunner 2, but I wouldn't run in them. Stiff as hell.
@SageRites
@SageRites 2 күн бұрын
The upper on these is so bad 😢
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
sorry you didn't like them when you tried them on
@MainUkraine
@MainUkraine 2 күн бұрын
On Cloud shoes have really been overpriced just for show garbage basically so I'm going into this with massive copium 😂 On Cloud really needs banger shoes if they want to prove that they are not just another Gucci
@edlorenz1552
@edlorenz1552 2 күн бұрын
My size is 9.5 ASICS Mets speed Paris Edge weigh 183 g. WITH LACES
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I think Metaspeed may be the only shoes lighter. Deviante Nitro Elite 3 is slightly heavier.
@alb.1911
@alb.1911 2 күн бұрын
This new clouds windows are useless, they exist just for esthetic purpose.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 2 күн бұрын
I think I could agree that there might be a non-cloud way of achieving a similar result with this foam (e.g. cutouts of the Adios Pro 3), but I think to say the clouds in this shoe are vestigial or decorative would be a bit of an overstatement but maybe I am reading your comment too literally
@noreligion76
@noreligion76 2 күн бұрын
on cloud, no good for running,!!!
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