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[@ChessBaseIndiachannel]

Thanks for the insights Kostya, Jesse and David! :)

[@sebastiandierks7919]

21:30 Jesse not getting laid cause ChessBase not running on Mac must be the nerdiest story ever xD just brilliant entertainment

[@raylopez99]

Jesse dates? LOL I thought he was focused just on chess?! My take: CB11 (release date 2010) was great, as it was cracked but in a way once you used CB11 either the legal version or the cracked version, there was no need to upgrade since it largely did what you needed it to do. As for ICC, I never really used it but what made it less popular (I hear) was their "anti-cheat" software, which for honest players was annoying since it was so intrusive, essentially residing in your memory and constantly monitoring all your programs.

[@renobgm]

I love these diamonds in the series that reveal themselves, this is definitely the best chess podcast by a lightlyear

[@rickstermandude]

Or maybe it was because he kept calling them “boss”.

[@B-fq7ff]

@@rickstermandudebauß

[@bennykristensen3304]

Greetings from Denmark..Great show guys . This is to Jesse( my favorite sensei), I have CB 15. You have to go to input mode. Here it is easy to input the time spent pr. move

[@iainsneddon3010]

totally agree with kostya's comments on dgt. i had one, really difficult to consistently link up and very pricey

[@jennystrandqvist1568]

I had my first win against Fabiano Caruana on ICC and I even made a chess engine for a bot. If anyone played my engine "Kitten" let me know :) It was rated 1700-1900 in blitz and 1900-2100 in bullet and made every move in 0.2 secs. From my end my main memory was to check through the logs looking for if someone famous had played, but also sadly to block it from playing players that had played the same game over and over more than ten times in row.

[@chesscomdpruess]

Super interesting! Thanks for sharing :)

[@ChessWithMouselip]

I remember watching "smallville" kick butt at blitz on ICC.

[@KironKabir]

Gm Hikaru was ‘smallville’ right?

[@ChessWithMouselip]

@@KironKabir Yes

[@thernly]

I played him to a draw on ICC once, and he said after the game that I was lucky and I sucked at chess.

[@allin8795]

another great poddy lads keep it up

[@michaelflaherty3202]

I could never figure out how to get Chessbase to show the engine and notation at reasonable sizes with a nice big board without spending five minutes each session on it. And of course it only works on the windows computer that I have upstairs for iracing. Lichess studies are so much more intuitive and work on my ipad.

[@amineshili7214]

We need to see jameel's progress soonn

[@ChessWithMouselip]

If lichess had no limit on games that can go into a study I would not need a local chess database program. I've been using SCID-vs-PC in Linux for years as it stores all of my games and I can see a tree of my move selections, etc.

[@thechesslobster2768]

RIP chesscube :( I hope it gets mentioned.

[@frequensea9434]

That site was pretty good

[@raylopez99]

What about KingCrusher's site? And others...

[@khandujamanish]

Yes Chesscube concept was very good and it clicked initially but finally they complicated and then it's a history.

[@hypersphere]

chesscube invented the 'arena' concept, they deserve credit for that anyway.

[@mileseramosroman2387]

it was a great site

[@christinemurray1444]

It's very hard to maintain a medium-sized company based on chess as a service. Most things can be replicated without lock in, pretty much everything has a free alternative including video courses and spaced repetition drilling, so you cannot charge much and the pie is just not that big even with the recent chess popularity increase.

[@theemptyatom]

I used to like the Edward Winter stuff

[@trashl0rd]

Chessbase programs and online tools are great imo, but they really need some serious UI retooling. I agree they need to stop resting on their laurels over this---they need to keep pace with their competition. Also being more affordable would help, too.

[@shadowside8433]

Couple of things annoy me about chessbase: 1. The lack of development of their Android apps, where they basically just stopped updating them. 2. You would spend a fortune on Chessbase, but they would only allow an (expensive) upgrade for the next iteration only. As has been pointed out, you were paying a lot of money for a few features you wouldn't use...

[@iaquobe]

50:54 Lichess is more like the Linux users of chess. It's free and open source, and that's more of an idealistic preference than the shiny thing preference mac users have

[@ericwagner7747]

Alternate title: Chess Technology that Blows Jesse’s Mind!

[@jack21222]

I miss US Chess Live

[@shadowside8433]

I remember the Politics channel on ICC way back in the 1990s - thinking there was some total loonies on there - little did I know it's all now mainstream in certain quarters. This is one of my biggest ICC memories, chatting with random people on various ICC channels, but thinking 'OMG, these people on the politics channel are nuts'.

[@brianmitchell2202]

all I remember is wfn2 who was an ... interesting personality

[@musicalneptunian]

All I remember was Slomato. Sometimes I go to the grocery store and ask "where are the slomatoes?"

[@musicalneptunian]

My relationship with Yahoo Chess was strong. But some sadist booted me off my Yahoo chess table. They are also sore losers at Yahoo Chess.

[@patrickgroenendijk8434]

More than playing games, I used ICC to watch videos, especially Joel Benjamin's GOTD and Alex Yermolinsky's wonderful video series. Still very instructive!

[@Crabitat]

Yahoo! chess was tragic. If someone offered a draw, a pop-up would force you to click "decline" before you could make a move. Some wiseguy in a lost position kept spamming draw offers to try and make me lose on time declining them all. I beat him and never went back. 😀

[@musicalneptunian]

There was a British pop song in 2008 called "bad losers on yahoo! chess". Half man half biscuit was the band.

[@bughunter1766]

Chessbase is THE buggiest piece of software I own. It's a steaming pile of s___. Provided with positively ZERO documentation, not even so much as a functioning help file. The UI is all but unusable on a system with high res monitors because of all the video bugs. Things like you cannot "zoom" a window at times without restarting the system. Minimize and maximize are ok, but putting two windows on the screen at once, no bueno. I have 2 UHD monitors mounted side by side and vertically (portrait), and I can only guess CB has some issue with that. I get virtually no use out of it.

[@hubomba]

Chessbase probably knows how to go about porting it to a Mac but publishing native programs on Mac OS is a total pain in the ass. You need to buy specific hardware and a license key to compile on there. It is typically a pathetically low percentage of the marketshare for most software and companies choose not to support Mac OS as a result.

[@user-qn9mb9dh6q]

Idk how to feel when you say Chessbase is dead

[@milankotevski1663]

Chessbase is not dead. Their website is alive and well.

[@user-qn9mb9dh6q]

@@milankotevski1663 that's what i was thinking. I use their software daily. Ig people were on the website more back in the day

[@thernly]

For me it’s always been dead because I was never willing to spend the huge amount of time required to learn how to use it.

[@thernly]

I miss Chessbomb 😢

[@musicalneptunian]

Tom Jones: chess bomb chess bomb...

[@christinemurray1444]

I don't think chessbase realise how big of a business threat it is not to properly support anything other than windows and in their quirky 90s ways to boot. It's creating avenues to destroy their grip on the professional chess world as they stupidly look at short term market share numbers to justify their internal investment.

[@musicalneptunian]

I agree. If chessbase cannot work on another OS then at the very least they should provide a WINE or virtual machine option.

[@ChessWithMouselip]

FICS players were/are more rude than ICC.

[@musicalneptunian]

I used to play a lot on FICS in the early zeroes. Yeah there were some rude players there. FICS never progressed; having to use an external client like babaschess. My main achievement on FICS was to win the "highest rated" current game being played. I was about 2000 and I beat someone who was 2200. Small beer I know but only a few titled players there. FICS was a popular coaching site for awhile.

[@thernly]

No monitors on FICS

[@drronmccoy]

I use macs and I had to buy a pc just for chess…

[@minipashki]

Why americans love their macs and iPhones so much? To lose a girlfriend because of a Samsung phone or Windows pc is crazy! I cannot imagine anything more superficial and absurd than this!

[@pdomckenzie]

Mac + Hiarcs > PC + Chessbase