One of the BEST Gold Makers in Guild Wars 2 | Trading Post Flipping

[@Teekink]

listen if my goldfish doesn't get his walkies each day he splashes the tank water on my computer mid-raid

[@wandahaseley6439]

I love how "understandable" your video is. You have another subscriber. !!! TY sooooo much!!!!!

[@ThePlnaa]

Hey Abree, thank you for your video! Keep it up!

[@VirtuesOfSin]

I've only flipped once and I'm sad that I didn't flip it more. Poultry Meat used to be dirt cheap before Grothmar.

[@GamingWithPayne]

You sound like the "How It's Made" guy. The good one. Nice, rich timbre. Thanks.

[@abree107]

Can't say I'm familiar, but I'll take the compliment!

[@nicolas6296]

Really nice content Abree!! I created an alt account 7-8 months ago to make a controlled environment and test how would flipping works starting with 50 gold. I have been logging in it on 2-3 days per week (sometimes more and sometimes nothing) to fill orders and reorder some items. Right now the numbers are 1.5k raw gold, 1.2k invested on bl skins and withdrew something like 1.5k to my main account with an average ROI of 36.4% . The only think I can add with the experience I acquired the last months is to beware on flipping items related to seasonal events (like runes, recipes), prices can drop really fast and if you are not aware you can loose lots of gold. Also, diversify, so if this happen it will not be so relevant. Ps: I am not using any spreadsheets or spent lot of time studying and creating list of items. So results could be way better.

[@abree107]

I did a similar test a few years ago with 2 gold from dailies on a cleaned out account and managed to get to almost 300g after a few weeks of logging in once per day. It was going to be a video series and I ended up scrapping it. I was going to put part of it in this video, but couldn't find it. It was probably the most fun I've had flipping on this game, so maybe I'll do it again in the future.

[@nicolas6296]

@@abree107 It would be really nice to watch it if you do that again and record it! I have limited time to play during the week, so flipping is the way that I found to pay for my wastes in game and focus on doing things that I like, instead of farming meta

[@Silentstrike46_]

Thanks for making a video on this topic! Flipping is something that's always interested me (both in real life and in MMOs), and it's something I started doing in GW2 a bit earlier this year, and for me it's always felt quite... satisfying. I started with just some of the pocket change I had while farming in other methods (so starting with like 20g or so), and it's been steadily increasing ever since. Of course, nothing like the amount of gold you are talking about (I've only ever had a peak maximum of 250g or so due to griffon), but suddenly realising that I have another 200g in buy and sell orders at any time just feels awesome. Very good way to passively generate money in the background. Thanks for the tips! Hopefully I'll be able to keep getting better at flipping.

[@iRemilia]

i've always loved flipping in other mmos and used it as my main method of generating gold, but with the gw2 trading post it's just not an enjoyable experience. it's so damn slow performance wise. i always hoped it'd get better over time but after playing for like 7 or 8 years i still find myself trying to list items on the trading post only for the game to take like 5 seconds to put up the listing. it's a frustrating experience.

[@abree107]

I do have to agree, the way they made the trading post is... suboptimal to say the least.

[@eujhowjhow]

Ok9lollolooo

[@MaviLeb]

But it's one of the only trading posts where you can order and list virtually infinite amount of items. Most games you are severely limited.

[@ryukjoga]

I've always thought about doing so. Thanks for this easier 👍🏻

[@coldandcruel9085]

How its made type vibes with this vid

[@nathanielnizard2163]

mystic coins are 70s baffled me rly. I was sticking with them when they were 2ish gold as I though they were bound to go up in price each expansion.

[@abree107]

Mystic Coins are one of the few common items to ever be price manipulated on a mass scale, which was only made possible due to a nearly infinite supply of gold, given the culprit was duping. After that they had some hype due to the expansion. I had them pegged at 1.2ish gold before the expansion dropped, but that was before they diversified clover/coin sources and it came out that half the clovers and 0 mystic coins would be required for gen 3s. Just another thing that I can say in Discord 30 times for it to be ignored.

[@OptimusCrime4444]

What are the Profit per week and/or Profit per Hour that you have achieved? I have been flipping for a couple of month now and the result vary quite a bit. Once I got to 400 gold profit in one week just from flipping (according to gw2bltc), but when I looked at the time spend it came out to ~30-40g/hour. I hat a giant list of ~150 Items that worked previous weeks. I ordered them every day and I sold whenever I was online. But ultimately it was an extremly booring buying session every day. So, my question is if this is the how flipping normally goes or does this method have way more potential and I was doing something wrong?

[@abree107]

It definitely varies wildly. I've had days where I've done 500g while commanding open world trains and doing fractals the whole time, then other days where I sit for a couple hours only focusing on the TP and turn out only 100g. A lot of it comes down to finding the highest profit to lowest effort items and optimizing that ratio. You'll also just randomly have days where people won't let up on fighting you for an item and days where your orders don't fill for no discernible reason. There might also be cases where fighting for bids is better profit than finding more items to put orders on, or vice versa. 150 seems like a lot to do at once though. Just remember that it's still a game and if you're not enjoying so much flipping, maybe spend less time on it and see if a lower time/profit flipping experience is more enjoyable.

[@shawnsingh5050]

I really went to college to learn how to do this when I really should've just played gw2 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@abree107]

Unfortunately, the rules and market forces are a lot more difficult to navigate in real life. I think a lot of people got a wake up call on that recently.

[@shawnsingh5050]

@@abree107 oh yea for sure. I just thought it was hilarious how you basically taught a first level finance class using a video game 😂 IRL.... well I guess we just keep averaging down 😅

[@LilypadOW]

WE ARE SO BACK HELL YEA

[@traviscue2099]

I found that when posting leggies, you will be undercut. But if you wait a week, that item will sell.. putting an item on over 2k is COSTLY.. And even if you have to wait 2 weeks for it to sell, the profit is so big that its worth the weight.. And they will sell, since they're rare items (At times only 10 of each are up) and with the 100,000s of people on.. People want those items.

[@SuperDarkroman]

Wow, you have an insame amount of gold! I want to speed up the way to my last legendary items that I need for equipment (gen3 torch, sword and mace + 4 sigils + 7 runes + heavy armor). I've done some flipping in the past with legendary weapons (risk wasn't that low, but 200-300g per weapon) but this isn't a good a idea anymore. I'm really unsure what fast-traded items are good im terms of flipping and making gold...

[@abree107]

The best advice I can give to you is to avoid cosmetics and focus on things with practical, functional value. Those will generally move faster.

[@Koakoa45]

I have never since 2012 figured out how to use the left side of the TP to buy items. I click on it and there are just no options to order the item. Very frustrating.

[@rulotron]

Great video, thanks!

[@robinsommer]

that LFG bit is cute :d

[@abree107]

I'm glad someone noticed it.

[@robinsommer]

@@abree107 I know right, that surprised me too. Also not super encouraging haha. It's not easy to find a good one of any variant, but I hope you find it! We're everywhere, no worries.

[@augustaskuprys6289]

Biggest profit i have ever made was with Dragon Coffers, when the festival was active bought about 11k of them after few months sold them for about 450-500 or more gold profit.

[@realdragon]

I do item trading on steam market. It's basically same thing

[@no_one3249]

great vid~!

[@SayokoQl]

Bro i came to gw2 to forgot my life not to do math :( lmao good video, I will give it a try

[@nc9853]

that no gambling chat panel is very sublte.

[@abree107]

It's to mute my guild chats when people start pasting their ecto gamble results to save my own mental health.

[@redlok3455]

If I get it correctly, flipping stuff only works as long as there are players "dumb" enough to insta-sell their items, right?

[@MaviLeb]

It works because it's a market. And the market is not as efficient, because there are not enough participants. A market is an instrument to find prices for goods. If there is a difference between the price an item is sold (insta buy) or bought (ordered), Flippers come and profit. If there were enough flippers or traders those two prices would be very near to each other. Non-traders often go for convience, for example they need gold now, so they insta sell. Or they need an item now to participate in something and insta buy. I think we all were there at some point doing that. Now think that there are thousands of people who may be 'there'. In the end, as traders we help people to have all those items ready and to somehow keep the price in some bracket. At least as long as there are no market manipulation tactics involved.

[@MrCougar1825]

I mean in theory this is great accept most ppl stop selling stuff on the trading post at a lose due to so many KZbin videos almost all the stuff iv seen on there even befor watching this is a 1 copper difference when selling sure this might work but it was for sure way better years ago

[@abree107]

I can promise you there's still an absurd number of people instaselling. You can put a 20th century ship alarm in a video and tell people not to instasell and they'll still do it. Crafting profit margins have decreased more than flipping margins, but profitability across all aspects of the game have decreased over the past few years, due to so many people getting into gold making. There's a mix of good and bad with that, though. It's great that most players are on a fairly level playing field for making gold, because it didn't used to be that way. It's unfortunate that ArenaNet hasn't implemented enough item sinks to curb long-term material inflation. Gen 3s were decent, but simply don't affect enough items. If more material sinks are implemented that have long term effects, you'll see margins for both flipping and crafting open up more again.

[@MrCougar1825]

@@abree107 agreed. But why would they when you can just buy gold I don’t think they ever would and on a side note I think gw2 is at its end of life cycle and they know it we might have 1 more good expansion if it don’t take 5 years for them to bring it out they should already be working in gw3 or a revamp of the entire game with the next up coming expansion even though gw2 is still one of the best looking mmo to date

[@ahjun5373]

How do I actually select the items though do I have to look at supply and demand as well as the sold category with the profit ? Feels like a lot of variables. Is it possible to have a private chat in discord with you?

[@abree107]

Supply and demand are more important for long term investments. For flipping, general price behavior is best to look at. Bought/sold are important though, as obviously you don't want to flip something for 1s profit unless you can flip a lot of it. It can be a lot if you're taking everything into account, but that also allows you to make the safest decisions and minimize the risk. You can always just go off margin/ROI and take a quick peek at bought/sold to make sure it's at least doable, then go for it. It will just be more likely to end up stuck if you don't look at general price behavior to make sure the sell price isn't ridiculously high compared to normal. I might not be the fastest to respond, but you can always message me on discord and if I'm not doing anything else I do hop into servers like the Overflow so if you want to chat at some point we definitely can. For voice chat, it would probably not be private though.

[@ahjun5373]

@@abree107 thanks for the reply I honestly just wanna chat regarding this matter

[@ahjun5373]

@@abree107 what's ur discord tag?

[@abree107]

@@ahjun5373 abree107#7791 but joining the Overflow server is a better way to contact me

[@slytherben]

I have a pretty simple question, how can I make gold from ascended mats? What can I craft? I have millions of ascended mats from wvw. Thanks!

[@abree107]

If you're talking about bloodstone dust, dragonite ore, and empyreal fragments, there's not many options unfortunately. Your best bet is to do the achievements to get converters for them. You can "/wiki converters" to pull up the list and see the ones that consume those materials. It requires a bit of your time up front though and you'll still only get maybe 2.5 silver for every 50 of the materials you have. There's also a cap on how much can be consumed by each converter per day.

[@Katraio]

Hello Abree, is there any specific items to start with only 50g? Thank you in advance

[@abree107]

With 50g, I'd stick to things under 2g if possible. As for specific items, they constantly change so I can't really recommend anything. Runes and sigils sometimes have decent options on the low end for learning.

[@Katraio]

Ok, thank you. I'll look into it

[@Haydatsanime]

Items that can be exchanged for provisioner tokens can be worthwhile.

[@davoinshowerhandle3302]

156K Gold :O OMG !

[@andreasoloansihotang8228]

This is exactly my JOB as a General Supplier/ Trader Company... I Play GW to relaxed..instead i get a second JOB...lol

[@abree107]

There's plenty of other methods for making gold if this one doesn't suit you.

[@mattfox3730]

What are your thoughts on 2 gold 2 stonks?

[@abree107]

I don't even have the videos or footage for that series anymore. I'm also not inclined to ever restart that to be honest. I don't think it provides a ton of value and most people wouldn't watch it.

[@xxyxxyyyx]

Hey Abree, thanks for the video. Can you give me an advice how you scale? If I find a product which got high demand, a roi about 15%+ and actually gets sold then I buy a 250 stack of Chocolate for example, I make a profit of like 2-10 Silver for the whole stack. But how do I upscale that, i cant buy 1000 of it because before I sell it 100 people undercut my price by 1 copper, right now I have ton of products sitting in the market which get undercut The only way I see upscaling it is to find more products but I am always limited by a amount i can buy, when I go for something valueable like 100g skil which i get 10gold profit, then I cant buy 10 of them, because 1-2 get bought per day on avarage

[@abree107]

That's honestly the hardest bit. You can only trade a small portion of the total amount that gets bought and sold or else youll get drowned out by the normal supply and demand. Usually, you're just looking for more items to add to your list of ones to check or maybe even more expensive items that let you move more gold at a time. Especially if 250 of an item at 15% ROI is only 10 silver, you might want to look at more expensive items. It gets harder the more gold you get as well, which is why you see mine just sitting there. I'm too lazy to find enough items to move it all. Stuff getting stuck is normal though. Most of it will clear within a couple days.

[@xxyxxyyyx]

@@abree107 thanks for the reply, i am just worried to buy more expensive items which don't get bought regularly

[@abree107]

@@xxyxxyyyx You can always use the bought, sold, buy price, and sell price filters together on GW2BLTC.com to pick combinations you're comfortable with.

[@xxyxxyyyx]

@@abree107 yeah thats what I am using, I made some little progress and I have 900gold in preoders but damn, I almost never get any item, other people always top my preorder or cut my sell order I wait way to long for items, feels so weird

[@coos131]

where does killing mai trin 24 times/hr come in to play

[@abree107]

When you goobers decide to actually get on at the same time so I can record that video.

[@shipwright2464]

How much gold you make daily?

[@abree107]

Now? Almost none. When I was active every day it was between 50-1000g, not counting big ticket flukes coming in. It's highly highly variable and I tried a lot of different types of items. Because I don't care to sit at the TP all day (I'd rather actually PLAY the game as well), I'd say most days were in the range of 100-300g from flipping alone for most of my heavy play period. But then I also got more from farming/fractals etc. at the same time.

[@shipwright2464]

@@abree107 my god 100-300 gold most days? I play for hours and if I can make 20 gold, I'm happy. Thanks for your clip. Hope I can make more gold to buy shiny stuff one day!

[@abree107]

@shipwright2464 That's the advantage of flipping; it's very scalable. But even farming methods can make you a decent amount of gold if you're good at them. Enjoying whatever you do for gold is obviously the most important thing though.

[@Carlos-tz6es]

Nice video, thx Just a question, Why you don't buy expensive infusions with all you money ?

[@abree107]

They won't release any that I want. I might throw the new Sakura bloom infusion on my ranger at some point, but I can always wait for it to drop in price before I buy it. I dislike chaks, confettis, khan urs, frost legions, and crystals. And I'm indifferent to aurilliums and queen bees. Bauble infusions are free and ghostlies are 50ish gold each, which is much cheaper for something I like more.

[@Haydatsanime]

Tl;Dr abree is a dragon who hoards wealth, not overpriced infusions

[@reddfranzen9072]

im new at flipping in general and the video helped me get resources on what to use, but i still dont understand what im specifically looking for in a flip, what im buying and etc. is flipping copper priced items even worth it? these resources tend to overexaggerate a lot of its profits, like "spend 200g, flip, profit 2g" its kinda like sifting through the bs to find stuff worth it. overall i just dont understand it which is sad because im tired of being gold broke

[@abree107]

I usually recommend people to start with stuff that you can make a couple silver off and sell up to a stack or 2 a day of it. It's a nice balance between getting some practice in, while also getting an okay amount of profit. I started by just noticing margins on items I got while I was playing. Anything that has >15% difference in the buy and sell prices on the TP on a fairly regular basis will be a good potential flip, assuming that the item actually buys and sells at a reasonable pace. You won't come out of the gate making 50g/hr. You have to spend a little time up front practicing and finding some go-to items.

[@NoMetaEnjoyer]

bruh wtf that gold 150k

[@nib0_alsyabi774]

This dude has so much gold he can buy every legendary for every single player and won't loose a peny XD Nice video btw

[@abree107]

Not quite lol, but thanks.

[@gaborvass3219]

Így lett 156k goldod? Aha... 😂😂😂

[@20SidesOfZeke]

Would be a fun practice to make gold for your needs, if the whole TP economy wasn't run by hackers (item dupers)

[@abree107]

I'm not sure what even makes you think that's an ongoing problem.

[@fretmajik777]

@@abree107 I've been hard at it for 5 years and I can say without a doubt someone or some people are using trading post bots. You can tell by the numbers they use when buying and selling and watching it for 5 years. I've witnessed the same person bidding for 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. Just cannot prove it.

[@MoGaiinz]

what do you do with all that gold????!!!!!! you're loaded!!!!

[@abree107]

Make more gold or use it for KZbin thumbnails apparently, since I'm behind on my clickbait game.

[@Vavume]

Seen this same video a million times already, learned nothing.

[@abree107]

Sorry to hear that.