One Of The Best Tier 10’s - Des Moines

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[@eragonrank5303]

I remember supporting a push with a Pommern and Rupprecht in an Alaska. Supporting battleships that are willing to push is a cathartic experience.

[@feigned53]

Another great video PQ. Atlanta taught me islands, arcing over islands, and when not to push an island in a CV match. Montana taught me to watch for broadsides. DM is a nice little wedge in the middle for being an obnoxious, aggressive, pushy cruiser who wants to radar that damn Friesland in smoke to MURDER IT. Let's go!

[@tomriley5790]

One of my favourite ships, but it suffers from the larger overmatch battleships and also from the carrier rework - its AAA used to be amazing. To be fair desmoines used to get overmatched 16" shells so it got a buff and now doesn't but 18" shells overmatching into the citadel do even more than 16". Desmo has great AP, its HE is pretty impressive too. The main thing I miss though is the old legendary module acceleration, you used to be able to jump around all over the place and constantly dodge shells. It was one of my earliest tier X ships, can't say I always do well with it but I've had some epic battles and it's one of my favourites!

[@maxmustermann1111]

Overmatch is a problem. Also in CB, desmoines can usually be the trade target for battering rams like a kremlin, since it can just slapp it through the face. And the 30mm deck allows for massive BB-AP hits by just hitting the ship in general. Leg-Mod desmo has some tools to counterplay that by throttle juking. Once you are talking 12+km range you can throw off BB shells fairly effectivly. I still believe its too squishy for a heavy cruiser. In my books it should recieve 32mm side plating, allowing it to bounce sub 460mm guns. Combined with leg mod, good map awareness and skill you can then really force bounces, reacting to BB salvos coming in from mid range. Its not gonna be "god tier" protection. Its not gonna be foolproof like petro. You can still get bow-slapped easily. You still eat deck overmatch damage. But on those holding-plays and medium ranges you can counterplay 30mm overmatch with good throttle and rudder control, forcing the shells aimed for your bow onto the side plating. I´d like to see that. I think an overall problem is, that overmatch is strong on the one side, however if you remove it or reduce it, its gonna effectivly further buff HE. Wich is a more serious problem in that game. I think to rebalance HE vs AP you need to actually tune down HE a bit. I´d be thinking about reduced fire damage possibly. Or even reducing HE fullpen damage from 1/3alpha to 1/4alpha.

[@ianatkinson5509]

You have always been a good player, but you have seriously improved over the past year or so. Esp with your game knowledge and *when to challenge what type of ship when*. And I can tell you genuinely are trying every game to improve and perform better, and it shows. Good stuff man 👍 Thanks

[@LTDansLegs_713]

Totally agree with what Ian said, to add to it, I have also seen how much you’ve progressed when it comes to delivering the content. First class for sure. Always a first glance when checking YT and looking forward to what you put up.

[@kelly89420]

@@LTDansLegs_713 Completely agree with you both, I look forward to his content and I'm definitely a better player for watching it!

[@dany1441]

I play DM with range mod and it's awesome. Acceleration mod in combination with her mobility makes her hard to hit, and you can go dark whenever you want. I don't use the radar much anymore until late game, if there are still DD's around and the fight for the caps is still relevant.

[@deaninchina01]

DM also got a bit buttered when all the long torp range DDs started appearing. It’s very safe to bait a radar from one then get outside range because of slow shells then torp at leisure because of the campy island style needed to help with DMs short arms. I love mine but am pretty rubbish in it 😁

[@atomic_dentist7364]

I actually didn't find the Buffalo to be a painful ship to grind through. I really enjoyed it.

[@EvoraGT430]

Likewise.

[@JARiS1005]

I found its main problem to be its truly awful maneuverability. Far worse than other ships in the tree. The Baltimore was fantastic - quick to accelerate, quick to turn, quick to aim, less incentive to show broadside with 3 turrets. The Buffalo, I feel, didn't carry over any of that - it was painful to get the extra DPM out in most circumstances. Buffalo didn't fit the theme of the rest of the line overall for me.

[@lucadesanctis563]

Used it in ranked, didn't regret it. If u can cope with her maneuverability it's a good teamwork ship

[@feigned53]

I found a lot of utility with Vigilance back in the day. Great hydro.

[@tomriley5790]

Poor manoverability, poor rate of fire/dps with 2 turrests and a vulnerable citadel, you loose all the nimbleness that you had with the Balti, become a sluggish lumbering ship, improves again when you got to the desmo (even more so with the legendary module - especially the pre nerf one). That said if you can stay in range and unspotted it can be really powerful spamming over islands.

[@bensmith1175]

@Potato Quality How did you get battle expert in bottom left corner where the compass normally is?

[@Dik131WZD]

Hello! Have you thought to create a video like top5-10 ships to play in current meta?

[@bravalloy]

This video made me miss the T6 Cleveland. People used to upload a lot of great games on her, but not many videos of T8 Cleveland. Guess there was a lot of magic melting BBs from tier 5 to 7 with easy. Plus people loved to hate T7 Pepsicola.

[@cuestatv9900]

Aaah the good old days of T6 clevelands. It was a beast back then and a fun ship to play. Tier 7 Pepsicola though.... A huge pain to grind.

[@Divenity]

DM was my first T10

[@cemborembo]

i have only 52% WR with her in randoms because it's very easy to screw up but she is my favorite and best ranked ship, i put her way above Petro. Petro isnt great at 1v1s when you only face other brawly ships in nose in fights, you need them to be distracted to do much dmg. DM can win every 1v1 if you play her right, only exceptions being 530mm+ bbs but you just burn them at range.

[@sameh59younis15]

I mean some destroyers like the french ones have both high speed and depth charge alpha to kill a submarine and the sherman can kill a full hp sub with 1 charge if you land them all of course you are not expected to so you have 2 charges to make up for it

[@garethfairclough8715]

The Des Mama is a classic. Buffalo is underrated, though. Those guns are spicy!

[@secutor7142]

I wish I had that space camouflage

[@mirce26]

Yeah it's an awesome cammo !

[@BergenDev]

Only cost 8k dubs, eeep

[@zeuszivonencia3068]

Me personally.. I think the utility of the DM is the best part of it. Other than that, I think there are better ships to use for this current meta

[@travisxander]

what perma camo is that??

[@Powerhaus88]

The reload upgrade is so much better than the range upgrade. The range upgrade is pointless, DM doesn't have the muzzle velocity of other T10 cruisers, so it's pointless to range farm or kite with her, DM is a totally push-in type of ship, move with the herd, support DDs, swat flies, etc. Your damage output increases signifficantly with it.

[@stevepeterson6070]

No real players can get the legendary mod (takes years of playing to earn the currency), so if you judge this ship make sure to judge it without that mod.

[@seraphin01]

I don't have a ton of tier X but desmoines is my favorite by far. It's really a loads of fun, the guns are amazing, albeit way too short range tbh. The reload is amazing and those AP rekt even BS.. I took 1 on 1 duels with BB and they went cocky and tried to sail with all their guns pointed at me while I angled and used only my two front guns and rekt them completely.. Although the overmatch BB can ruin some games in a sad way.. No matter your angle you can get citadel three times in a row and sent back to the port VERY quickly which leads to island camping because let's face it with this arc the DM is king.. But it's not the most fun gameplay, it's frustrating for BB players getting hammered with no counterplay and the skill ceiling for that is pretty low.. I really hope WG will fix the overmatch problem so that cruisers can play more aggressively, get punished harder when they broadside and tank more when they angle properly, as it should be. But yeah DM is a fun ship, though you said in the video it's a good fire started i will disagree strongly on that.. Despite the number of HE you can ditch you barely ever get a fire.. I tried games with over 100 HE landing on deck and got maybe 2 or 3 fires top!!! That's plain stupid at this point especially when some ships manage to fire you on every single round..

[@travelwell8098]

would you still grind for the Des Moines if you had the Salem?

[@doomboygammer6009]

DM is bassically a Salem which trades healing capacity for more flexability (longer range but shorter duration radar, better turret angles towards the stern). If ya like Salem, DM is a great pick and lets you get Annapolis too.

[@appleappington7346]

I'm only at Pensacola right now, but I'll reach this ship eventually Would be funny if I had enough coal to get Salem by that time lmao

[@Tearnofear]

the 5% improved AP dmg did ~5k additional dmg in the end (note: you had 99k dmg with AP). That's one of these nasty 5k hits on the Monty (where it ads a pitiful 250 dmg). I can't see how this is worth it. Every skill that makes you lost longer on the Battlefield in any form for 10s (~ reload for two Salvos) is, imho, better?

[@Palmakify]

Possible solution: Decrease the damage per shell, increase the accuracy?

[@mcgee9777]

Increasing accuracy removes rng from the game, sure cruisers don't suffer from it as much as bbs but still dispersion is important to keep every salvo from dunking on everything regardless of class Imagine nevsky with improved accuracy dropping 8 shells from 19-22 km depending on the build and hitting every shell pinpoint on the superstructure. Or Venezia hitting all 15 shells all the time on lightly armored parts of ships or dds

[@TheFuzzypuddle]

It seems like there are 2 or 3 DM games every week put up on YT that are over 300k dmg. That says a lot about how awesome this ship has been over the years.

[@noahboyd57]

Idk what you’re talking about DM having bad arcs. They’re awesome!

[@Hydra360ci]

I got the Bathtub Freedom camo for it about 2 days after unlocking it from one of those perma camo chests. Ugliest camo in the game in my opinion.... but T10 camo is T10 camo....

[@AlvinMcManus]

The Buffalo, Ugh!

[@DaroZuo]

I just reset the Des Moines line so I can get the Ohio, so got a long grind ahead of me rn

[@illegalopinions4082]

You don't need overmatch in the game. You can have _proper_ penetration mechanics, as the game should. Overmatch is a crutch for lazy design.

[@rileychu4489]

tbh in this meta salem is a much better choice. i go range mod as well.

[@rileychu4489]

@@Nabsolute_salems are only good for experienced players and arent meant for open water. sonar is most effective in open water. salem will always be island hugging and you should know where torps could be coming from if youre a good player.

[@tahiribnmohammad5410]

any skilled cruiser mains, know that mino and dm are the best tier 10's (along with stalingrad) i find dm much better than petro, it just can do much more

[@jupit5r]

Is that why DM is never played outside of smokebot in comp?

[@danh7411]

@@jupit5r since when comp is the place to determine ship's strength? If that's the case Thunderer is underpowered and need buffs

[@gushterell7989]

"any skilled cruiser mains, know that mino and dm are the best tier 10's (along with stalingrad)". What are you smoking? Ask the leaderboarding 3k PR Des Moines players why they don't play it anymore.

[@danh7411]

@@gushterell7989 but they still do? wtf? Literally 1 example above.

[@xyz6106]

"It wouldn't be remotely balanced if we gave battleships perfect dispersion and all this overmatch". *cough cough* you know who.

[@cphil_2192]

Bruh PQ you didn’t use my title

[@intangible_kant]

Was scratching my head when you kept using AP on that Yoshino. By the time he got to you for the torp turn, you could have killed him with HE. Wanting to get the sweet AP salvo shouldn't trump getting the job done.

[@won-tonjohn4418]

He literally just explained his thinking in the video... what he did was the best play according to that scenario

[@hagostaeldmann]

@@won-tonjohn4418 Demoine switches ammo types in under 3s. Yes, he should have definitely been using HE and then he could have done 20-30k with AP during the turnout. This was an example of bad decision making.

[@won-tonjohn4418]

@@hagostaeldmann he was shooting AP bc he was hoping that his teammates could fire at the Yoshino, but nothing helped him. Also I think he wanted to keep yoshino bow in bc he was afraid of its torps. If he was shooting HE, the yoshi mightve turned to launch torps, which is a high chance since the average yoshino player is just that smart.. Yes, the yoshi has bad torp angles and will be punished by dm AP if he tried to torp, but still it won't be enough to kill him guaranteed, thus giving the yoshi time to turn and go bow in again. So basically, the fight would play out much the same, but now there are yoshi torps coming for him. Keeping the yoshi locked nose in up until close range where he would get guaranteed cits before the yoshi could launch torps is the right play imo.

[@danh7411]

@@won-tonjohn4418 look at the angle which Des Moines can citadel Yoshino, there is 0 way he can get those torps out before getting cit to oblivion. He should have fired HE.

[@rickwiggins283]

Somewhat agree, but two factors probably make it a wash. 1) He didn't have the re-loader skill which puts a swap at about 6 seconds should the Yohsino start doing the back-and-forth turn deal and 2) this Yoshino seemed pretty skilled as most would have just gamer turned out to lay torps and kite which means he could have blasted him right away since he had the AP ready.

[@nailed2ax_126]

i get slapped in this all the time, bow on cit through the nose, i sold the ship, dumb

[@sameerkharade7750]

03:08 "As the ship goes, it is not very gimmicky oriented" Hello? It has the fastest reload for 203mm guns that have good HE and AP (with improved pen angles). It has good stealth coupled with 10km American forever radar, which means it can almost stealth radar. Has reliable AA especially if you're using DFAA too. That's already a lot of gimmicks for me, except the AA part. Great video nonetheless!

[@cphil_2192]

It doesn’t almost stealth radar

[@issacfoster1113]

I don't think it's a gimmick for it's actually what the reload of the ship IRL.

[@DaroZuo]

None of these things are a gimmick

[@hagostaeldmann]

Lightning fast reload. Arguably best radar (certainly 2nd best if not) in the game. Good hydro, insane pen angles. it's a giant bag of gimmicks and objectively too strong. But I guess the community only complains about the NEW ships that are too good

[@aristosachaion_]

None of these things are gimmicks lol, with the exception of radar.

[@secutor7142]

And yes, the Buffalo sucks

[@Hydra360ci]

Seattle, too....

[@gushterell7989]

cRuisErS hAvE nEveR bEEn bEttEr

[@unclerussman3736]

now imagine if that montana was a ohio, and if the enemy balao was a midway, youre basically useless the entire game

[@TheDinons]

HMMMM DM with range mod????Ok can work it like that also but.....i dont like range mod ..but that is just me

[@DarthPhallix]

First. Yeah!

[@papay9772]

DM is sub food these days just keep sitting behind those obvious spots behind an island I for sure will come there and dev struck you back to port.

[@cuestatv9900]

It used to be a great ship. Now it's just situational. If there are islands close by, if you know where the good spots are to use cover properly, if your teamates do their part and not camp at the edge of the map.... Too many IFs in one sentence. In reality, the DM struggles to effectively engage targets over 13-14 km with consistency (due to shell arks, something that other cruisers have a lot easier time doing (russian,German,french). As the game in high tiers evolved into a stupid 20 km shooting fest, I found that US cruisers don't provide consistent impact on the game. At least not for me. I have a much easier time playing other cruisers and BB. As for AA, it's a joke after reworked CVs, no matter what ship you have.

[@mr.eggplant866]

It's overrated.