One of the Game's Toughest Characters? The Tännhauser's Bones Chaplain

[@kida4313]

I watched Dark Lances glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those shots will be lost... in time. Like tears in the rain.

[@jacobnordquist3448]

Best comment right here.

[@worldgoneawry8906]

I read it in his voice

[@Ankhtowe]

Like a turd in the wind.

[@johnwalton287]

I was also surprised to learn that Helbrect has as many wounds as a Dreadnought, the strength of a Dreadnought, more attacks than a Dreadnought and better saves that a Dreadnought! What’s happening to this game?

[@AGS363]

"What’s happening to this game?" Just Power Creep.

[@aqwannos]

Because you're supposed to use the new Primaris Dreadnoughts that are better in every way to the "first born" dreadnoughts.

[@Lordmarshalbalian]

Haven’t been playing long have you? Special characters typically are power houses

[@HighlandPhoenix]

@@Lordmarshalbalian Me a Blood Angels player: Looks at the ropey special character rules BA got...erm...

[@joshuagraham5422]

@@HighlandPhoenix But Lemartes is the most badass character, atleast in the lore

[@WebweaverActualFiller]

You're telling me my man got so mad at being turned to bones he decided to make sure he was the last brother in the black templars to get skeletonized.

[@Crembaw]

As a Death Guard player, I do be malding.

[@krilc]

I play Death guard too and not even Nurgle could save my hairline, or my models. DG marines are the most bald I have decided

[@TheTexasDice]

Everyone called me an ungrateful asshole, when I said 2W -1 Damage is not enough and we need 2W 5+++ instead. But here we go.

[@youthere7327]

sounds like another job for my guards laser show

[@unrelevanteireball4538]

Can’t imagine anything tougher than a SM bike captain

[@heathenpride7931]

Not even a captain, a chaplain

[@desgildanphi8825]

Custodian SHIELD Captain

[@catalyst772]

Custodian Shield Captain on bike. Something like 8 Wounds, FNP 5+ Invul on 4+ , and 2+ save

[@magearamil8626]

@@catalyst772 yes 2 lucky melta shots can kill Custodies captain while that thing with this relic bones will get 2 damage from 2 melta 6d+4 Eradicators, just reduced to 1 each XD

[@CB-sf9mx]

@@catalyst772 2+, 3++, T6, 9W, half damage

[@Moorhuehnchen]

well. that seems like the first target you would want to use guardsmen with frfsrf on him

[@colbychavez3550]

Where 5 demolishers fail, 30 conscripts succeed!

[@adamcline8728]

Seems to me the moment anyone wastes any amount of their shooting on this guy they've probably thrown the game. MW spam is the only efficient means of killing this model.

[@joshwright3217]

That’s what I’m thinking too best to ignore him till most of the army is dead

[@cecil937]

It'd take 4 squads of guard all within 12"/18" and 2 company commanders (290 points)or 3 guard squads with plasma pistol sarge and a company commander with plasma pistol and a bonus order (1 CP, a WL trait, or a relic) all within 12" (for 220 points) to have about a 50%-55% chance to kill a biker chaplain with no cover or FNP in a single with FRFSRF. Sadly, guard are ass at killing any marine HQ. I know from experience. My points may be a bit off as I'm not up too date with the yearly points changes, but the gist is there.

[@howiefeltersnatch240]

Mathhammer 5 vanilla squads each with a plasma/nade/melta with frfsrf in rapid fire range will do it.

[@michaelmacdonald8656]

Ahh...how to implement plot armor in game

[@alexdoe3163]

I think a canoness with the mantle of Ophelia (reduce to 1 damage) and the order warlord trait for a 5+ fnp and the blessing of the faithful to restore d3 wounds per turn and once per game no rerolls against her is pretty tanky

[@robertluceon3461]

Surprise surprise, the newest codex has something game-breakingly OP in it. What’s next, the Tau codex has Farsight do 6 Mortal Wounds per Fight phase?

[@JN-sr1yh]

New Detachment rules: All Tau Heavy or Rapid Fire weaponry ignores any line of sight rules, ignores any cover, and 5+ on hit roll will ignore any saving throw.

[@General_Costeau]

wow, hypocrisy, i like it. Cant see how this is op when drukhari are unchanged since their launch and all the admech\ork\SoBs are pretty level with this

[@robertluceon3461]

@@General_Costeau Where did I say that those weren’t a problem? 9e is broken as all hell, and every single new release is more ridiculous than the last.

[@SarajevoKyoto]

@@netman446 Our Rail weapons should be MW machines, lore-wise they can punch through a Storm Shield, a Marine, and the wall behind him.

[@kalamander8563]

I wonder if it'd be viable to take two bike chaplains? Kit one out with the bones and make him a unit buffer, kit the other out as a slap chaplain and beat face.

[@Orcas-are-cool147]

That’s what I’ve been thinking of doing

[@antonlukkarinen2648]

Take a chapter master on bike instead, give him a thunder hammer and Armor Indomitus. Way better if you want a beatstick character

[@connorjensen9699]

I like putting paragon of fury on it because with a wide base side from the bike he can get a lot of 5+ mortal wound potential and helps him against being tar pitted. On top of that the +1 str from charging with the trait technically never expires.

[@aaronm3795]

If you’re playing Thousand Sons you can take a relic which will remove the damage reduction on him and if you wanted, you could take away his invuln as well with a psychic power

[@arrowtt3364]

And then you drown him with fifty Smites.

[@chrisg8321]

Although I think the relic only works for shooting (he can have look out sir) and it affects core units only.

[@arrowtt3364]

@@chrisg8321 It's anytime a Core unit makes an attack. So melee works just as well

[@chrisg8321]

@@arrowtt3364 Cool :) Was at work so didn't have the book handy

[@kingmii7397]

My Exalted sorcerer with Doombolt Tzeentchs firestorm and Smite: "Huh?"

[@zombielizard218]

A Shadowsword, with what I would consider the most overkill gun in the game. (3D3 shots, S16, Ap -5, 2D6 damage) 6 Shots, 3 Hit, 1.5 Wound, 0.75 saved, 0.25 damage goes through. If my math is right. This guy takes 0 damage on average from a Titan-Killing gun.

[@devilpistons1269]

He would only average 1.5 wounding hits off of 3 total hits if he's using Transhuman. Additionally, if he saves 0.75 wounding hits, then 0.75 wounding hits go through, each for 1 damage. Meaning 0.75 damage goes through. So a Shadowsword's volcano cannon's salvo would inflict closer to 1 damage on him on average, not 0.

[@Haiphong778]

"GW halp! He's too powerful pls nerf!" GW: "Uh, uh... P-primaris only! Phew..."

[@BrotherVoidBomber]

Heh you know just pointing it out there, a full 90 shot lasgun volley from guardsmen have a better chance killing him then tanks. Now I realize the odds are insanely in his favor but... That's still 90 wounds with a perfect round. Happened with morty could happen here.

[@amitparmar5288]

The nerfs for BT will come in a few months. After the initial release sales slow down. This is the new norm.

[@Fiskkor2]

Cynical but true

[@MJ-jd7rs]

I think you forgot that BT have a 5+ save against mortal wounds. So he'd have a 5+ save and a 5+ FNP against any mortal wounds. It'd take almost 16 MW to cause 7 wounds to him

[@brandonstracener5076]

Their new Codex does not have that as a default feature, as I recall (though I believe there's an option for it among other choices for that option).

[@MJ-jd7rs]

@@brandonstracener5076 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXW0q315lLqqq5o Auspex tactics reported that the chapter tactic is unchanged, they reroll advance and charges and have a 5+ vs mortal wounds.

[@drmcweazel]

He didn't forget, you're just not allowed to use two different FNPs to try and ignore the same instance of damage. Per page 222 of the Core Rulebook: "A model can only use one rule to attempt to ignore each wound suffered."

[@jj3272]

Would only take about 10 MW to kill him. Can only take one FNP roll, so even this tank needs protection from GK and tsons or units that pour on mortals like sororitas Celestians.

[@StreamAway]

Why would the Chapter Tactic matter if the Chaplain that has the 5+ FNP from his Litany? Unless if you're not going with the Chaplain it doesn't matter.

[@ArmageddonUnlimited]

Still more into my Salamanders Bike Captain with TH/SS, Salamander's Mantle, T+1 and Regeneration.... Hopefully there will be some new Infos out for us in Spring '22 #WeWantMoreFlamerOptions

[@shikatsu]

give sallies pyreblasters at the minimum... you would think that the weapons smith and team hotfoot would get super flamers first

[@nevermorebouquet3681]

*Screams incoherently in GK librarian bomb*

[@Teddyd583]

This is a really cool relic for a beatstick speed character.

[@chrisg8321]

By "cool" you mean overpowered?...

[@stephenrepper8118]

Nightbringer could do more damage using his sweep attack + the entropic strike strategem. He'd have 12A hitting on 2s, wounding on 3s, taking the Chaplain down to a 6+ and he would still disallow feel no pain. Might get about 6W through 4-5 if transhuman is used. With a pre-charge gaze of death he might still take him down in 1 turn.

[@stevecollins9650]

And you think they'd let you get close with the Nightbringer?

[@plasmic8682]

@@stevecollins9650 depends on if they're able to take it out before it starts murdering stuff, unless you play incredibly meekly and hide all your stuff until the nightbringer goes away

[@stephenrepper8118]

@@stevecollins9650 just a comment that he could do more than the 3W mentioned in the video by switching attack modes. Means he could still deter using the super tanky rites of war build being thrown upfield to try to claim a midfield objective

[@gnarlpineambusher]

If people accuse me of meta chasing I'll just pull out my finecast Emperor's champion I painted will model car paint. He was the first named character I ever painted and small enough to keep around to shut up the haters.

[@VarunBajaj-asaurus]

I think the math is a bit off on Morty. Remember Morty does -1T, so the sweeping attack wounds on 2s. That bring the average wounds to 6.6 with the sweep, or 4 if chappy uses transhuman (morty will still reroll 1s to wound). Pretty much means you really need to transhuman or risk getting rekt.

[@acunniffe]

You can't wound black templars on 2's. Their vow means the best you can wound them on is a 3+

[@tnttv5360]

Hello there, says the sword of sacrifice canoness.

[@rendurai]

I started running a dreadnought list with black templars. Using a Master of the Forge as warlord. This relic would seem very useful on him

[@weeabuuuu]

as a necron player, i am sobbing

[@Mastercio]

Just send nightbringer. Chaplain will be dead in one phase.

[@Warhamer116]

@@Mastercio Unless the opponent pulls WAAC 'rules as written' card and points out that Nightbringer's damage can't be reduced, but chaplain rule doesn't reduce damage and instead changes all damage to one. Changes =/= reduces, which means nightbringer would still do 1 damage per swing.

[@magearamil8626]

First statement in video and I already lost any immersion....... How da fck can boi on bike be more durable than TANK with the same boi inside! 0 sense

[@mr.smithsgovermentclass4556]

Lol. Rule of cool is a tangible and mutable force of reality in the grim darkness of the far future...

[@mrmaster9801]

Remember that Orks can actually change reality with their beliefs. Basically, Warhammer 40k is a great science fantasy setting, not much bothering in finding logic at all cost ^^.

[@magearamil8626]

Oh, average 3 W from Nightbringer? XD (it was calculated with Sweep? I would use sweep and Entropic Strike to ignore invul)

[@stormisuedonym4599]

Because magic. 40k is chock full of it.

[@DelightfulTyrant]

Hi, welcome to warhammer. New here?

[@shimmergloom5966]

umm, the nightbringer will do more then 3W on average, his life drain rule makes him ignore the relic and the 5+++. 6 attacks, 5 hits, 4 wounds (2.5 if transhuman), no save, D6 damage each

[@devilpistons1269]

The Nightbringer goes around "ignore wounds" abilities. The Relic isn't one of those. So his attacks are still affected by the Bones.

[@clobster9560]

I see that "rigorous" playtesting on 9th edition is working great GW! *slow claps* ... amazing. BT nerf inbound! After they sell enough of them, of course. 🤣

[@Bobamelius]

Seems like Bones should be a once-per-game activation like the 3++ on Armour Indomitus. The fact that it works throughout the whole game is insane. (I am building a BT army and will be using it, but still, holy shit)

[@KrivTheBard]

I'm so glad I chose Templars with my Indomitus box lmao

[@darklordofcaliban3551]

How many Supermen are they giving our in the new codexes?

[@Tzeeensh]

I played this bad boy in White Scars last week, sent him against a Wraithlord and he just got popped immediately :( Feels bad man.

[@jackcanox4015]

AHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA ahhhh as a chaos player...felt good to know

[@alessiogiuffrida6172]

I don't think this build will works. He can tank a knight but can be killed easily by 10 assault intercessors with some stratagems (gene wrought might just to say one) and what he can kill on his own with 5 attacks at -1/-2 (if in assault doctrine) vp weapon?

[@devilpistons1269]

Can a unit of 10 A. Ints easily get into combat with him?

[@Your_Mad_Bro]

what do you think about using black templars devout push to get into the transport. stratagem allows to make a normal move and you end it near the transpert so you can embark inside

[@gock0w976]

Like yes this is good, but I've seen 3 batreps now where this exact combo has done fuck all and templars have been stomped so it's not going to rocket space marines back to the top.

[@pumellhorne]

Agreed. One powerful combo doesn't win a game on its own. People get excited/upset about a tough character but a player still has to use it well alongside the rest of the army and achieve the mission objectives. It's not Pokémon.

[@MilBard]

A Cadian Veteran's Squad with a mortar and three sniper rifles can take a huge bite out of a Tännhauser's Bones Chaplain using the order FRFSRF and two stratagems from Warzone Octarius Rising Tide and The Greater Good. 1CP for Shock Troops - gain AP less than 1/2 range plus counts as stationary after move. 1CP for Experienced Eye - Veterans AP better by 1 Move to 1/2 range of your lasguns from the Tännhauser's Bones Chaplain and you get every sniper shot, up to six mortar shells, and every lasbolt at AP-2. The sniper rifles are better then plasma for this rules stack because of "look out sir" and 6+ MW.

[@NapGod]

Space Gotrek on Bike.

[@younan5011]

One iron hands character relic contemptor would do it with merciless logic

[@ClaudiosCollection]

Now THAT is one crazy awesome Chaplain and I like it! Sign me up!

[@gianrcarlo]

I just got this chaplain for my birthday! Lmao

[@Autechltd]

*Laughs in World Eater Red Butchers*

[@hunterofajax1963]

My Custodes invincible bike captain has a worthy opponent

[@dothackoblivion]

He’s a good answer to a squigosaur boss.

[@TheTexasDice]

The bones will not protect you from 4 MWs if that motherfucker keeps rolling 6s

[@AllGodsDue]

doubtful, squigosaur is extremely tanky too and can dish out absurd damage. He can tie him up for a turn, but I don't think its exactly an answer. At that point you're using a character slot as a sacrificial lamb.

[@adatewithnature8333]

I can't seem to be able to find this Tannhauser bone chaplain

[@ubermarkmc]

Whenever we play in out local club the general strat is just to ignore him and try to combatlock him

[@DeathInTheSnow]

Does it specify _which_ bones we can use or can people just pop Tännhauser's baculum on everything?

[@gdenight]

Oh, your going to see him alright....

[@bentoker7824]

Put it on a bladegaurd sergant plus’s the ignore AP1-2. Stick an apothecary next to them and keep bringing him back!

[@connorjensen9699]

Sadly you can’t mix standard Relics and Relic Bearers, so no reduce to 1 from tannhauser’s bones. And you couldn’t stack two to begin with which you’d need to do to stack the ignore ap from icon of heinmann. But that is an excellent point about using apothecaries to bring back obnoxiously hard to kill models to units. Definitely will be running that.

[@bentoker7824]

@@connorjensen9699 gutted. Still waiting for my codex so freaking away

[@fredbrochu8322]

FAQ in 3, 2, 1.....

[@tardigrade8019]

It's a stupid good relic, but a lot of units straight up just don't care about it. While I do think it's a bit too good, as it enters auto-include territory, I don't think it's game breaking.

[@Zabzim]

Yeah, since ninths has introduced a whole literary of units with some form of anti horde sweep attacks. Which this relic would remove the usual down side to such attacks.

[@brothertobias]

If the Chaplain takes this relic, it's not taking the Breviary to make Litanies more consistent (meaning you have to blow 2 CP on it to work). Neither is that Chaplain taking the Benediction of Fury, so the damage output is quite low. Put the Bones on a Bike Chapter Master with a Storm Shield and Thunderhammer.

[@pumellhorne]

Black Templars character now quite hard to kill, some call it power creep. Nightbringer, Mortarian and Magnus shrug off damage for several turns, same as they ever did. After watching Nightbringer carve through my squads this feels more like a balance to me.

[@viktorvh5511]

I think Nightbringer's rule specifically means that damage from his attacks cannot be reduced or otherwise ignored, so it still kills even chaplain in 1 round of combat...

[@mariojorge68]

For losing wounds, not for reducing damage.

[@SgtDax]

In before this is nerfed from "reduce to 1" into "reduce BY 1 (to minimum of 1)".

[@Timber_LXG_5]

I'm not sure if I'm very lucky or the math Hamer thing just dosnt really work out, You where saying morty was almost unkillable but I was able to down him with a few russes Course I'd like to see that tank one of my grinding advance demolisher russes with multi meltas and a lascannon with reroll ones order and oh I don't know the other tanks with the same load out lol (5 of them being tc or regular) surpiseingly killy. Still good to know such things are rolling around, I'm just more worried about dark angels cancerous transhuman army wide

[@CromTheDestroyer]

OP unit in a new codex, no way!

[@richmcgee434]

Stunning, isn't it? I hear there's gambling at Rick's Cafe too.

[@andypreece1754]

Don't worry once they have sold enough of the new codex they will nurf it. I look forward to downloading this codex illegally.

[@CromTheDestroyer]

🤣

[@heresyclub3653]

Great video and thanks but that is obviously been written wrong and will get corrected to be "by one" within a month. (I play BT and even I can see that is broken)

[@skazkatzroy3444]

And then 40 guardsmen or 12 Scions with volleyguns open fire. . .

[@janp5063]

puhhh thats alot of 2s and 3s and iam in cover soooo.....

[@cecil937]

It'd take 4 squads of guard all within 12"/18" and 2 company commanders (290 points)or 3 guard squads with plasma pistol sarge and a company commander with plasma pistol and a bonus order (1 CP, a WL trait, or a relic) all within 12" (for 220 points) to have about a 50%-55% chance to kill a biker chaplain with no cover or FNP in a single with FRFSRF. For volley gun Scions, that's 3 Kappic Eagle (otherwise you get -1 to hit penalty) scion command squads for about 200 points, 3 elite slots in a subpar (not bad, but definitely not the best) Scions detachment that requires 3CP for those elite slots, then also troop and HQ taxes. And you can't use any Scion command squads for plasma (lions) or melta (dragoons). Sadly, guard are ass at killing any marine HQ. I know from experience. My points may be a bit off as I'm not up too date with the yearly points changes, but you get the gist.

[@DarksteelPenguin]

@@janp5063 Bikes don't get light cover.

[@janp5063]

@@DarksteelPenguin Iam talking about the -1 to hit.

[@Travio247]

It's gotta be a misprint

[@adamcline8728]

Wow, this game is going downhill fast. These releases are making 7th edition look competent. This model is practically impervious to conventional attacks; you'll never win unless you ignore him and focus board control and killing the rest of his army. At this point GW should just cut to the chase and put in relics that say things like "the bearer of this relic cannot take damage".

[@dannydementia2542]

I think the new be'lakor actuly does have a abilty to reduce damge of an attack to 0 haha

[@MegaJiffyman]

Sooo… a Tank Commander with the punisher Gatling cannon with tank ace trait for -1AP. Gets 40 shots rerolling 1s at S5 -1AP and 1D would do pretty well against this dude?

[@Warhamer116]

Probably gets nerfed in the next patch so that the chaplain would only suffer maximum of one wound from a turn of shooting. Can't have GW's poster boys be incapable of doing something or die!

[@sauceman3462]

It would do well. But. Most guard lists use the tank aces for manticores since it is so much better. That said, 40 shots with 3s rerolling 1s, let's say 34 hits. Wounding on 4s, 17 wounds. Saving on 4s (AP 1) 8-9 damage goes through, 5+++ blocks 3, he takes 6. Still alive. (He doesn't bracket either).

[@cecil937]

That tank commander has about a 55% chance to one shot the chaplain* in a turn of you can grinding advance. At the cost of a tank ace and requiring an expensive model to get within 24" to promptly get killed on return. *Assuming no cover, FNP, tank commander at top bracket, and no defensive stratagems (as guard don't have an applicable offensive stratagem here).

[@sauceman3462]

@@cecil937 how did you find that statistic?

[@cecil937]

@Sauce man I ran the following through a calculator. 40 shots * 2/3 chance to hit * 7/6 for reroll 1s * 1/2 for chance to wound (S5 VS T5 from bike) * 1/2 for invuln (as the gun will have AP-1 from taking a tank ace) = 7.7 (repeating) wounds That is the expected result. About 50% of the rolls will be as good or better than 7.7 and the rest will be lower, so that's when I estimated 55% chance to one round.

[@dthomd]

Reaper chain cannon this freak immediately!

[@MrTrenttness]

Haha! This cracked me up!

[@TravelerMastermind]

I do not see the problem for my Space Wolves here...but my Tau could (once again) simply go packing...

[@beefsandvvich]

Dang, I was really hoping that this new codex wouldn’t make BT hated like Drukari and Admech because they were my first army but now I wont be able to play them without being called a meta gamer

[@Guem2856]

Bt are not going to be top meta imo

[@Archaneus]

@@Guem2856 Then you are crazy, imo. The oath to give the whole army 5++ alone is enough to make them probably the best SM army(slight hyperbole).

[@Guem2856]

@@Archaneus Considering that most marines already have a 3+ becoming 2+ on cover, and that amongst the best units of the codex lots already get a 4++ they most of the time won't be shooted at by antitank weapon which means they'll not have a use of this 5++ much. Except for dreadnought which can get access to it through psykers quite easily. On paper 5++ is really strong, but it's not that good on elite armies which already have quite good save and a lot of units with 4++. And as I said it's good, it's comfort to have a 5++. But good close units already have 4++ (vanvet/bladeguards). And don't tell me about sword brethren this unit is sadly wonderful models with garbage rules. Such a waste. In the end I believe that templar will be around BA power level and will not get as strong as WS/DA. The only way i see this 5++ to become really strong is playing around 3 units of 20 primaris crusaders squad, and swarming the table with it.

[@endlesswaffles6504]

Nightbringer would ignore this ability so he would be the only obvious counter.

[@colbychavez3550]

Nope, it doesn't. Drain life makes it so that you cannot use rules that "ignore wounds, ie "Feel no pain" abilities. The bones sets the damage of the weapon to 1, so Drain Life would have no effect on it, the same way Drain Life has no effect on abilities that "reduce damage by 1"

[@endlesswaffles6504]

@@colbychavez3550 reducing a multi damage weapon to 1 damage would be ignoring wounds, so drain life prevents that.

[@colbychavez3550]

@@endlesswaffles6504 no because the wounds are never inflicted to count as being ignored. Wounds and damage are two very different things. When a model fails its saves it takes WOUNDS equal to the weapon's DAMAGE value...This relic sets the damage value of the weapon to 1. So, wounds are never inflicted, so definitely would not count as being ignored to qualify for Drain Life. Drain Life: Each time this model makes a melee attack that is allocated to an enemy model, that enemy model cannot use any rules to ignore the wounds it loses.

[@endlesswaffles6504]

@@colbychavez3550 oh ok I see what you mean. Thanks for clearing that up.

[@jakemarzano2298]

Let's take a bet, how bad is GW going to FAQ this one?

[@stephenhumphreys9149]

There are a few abilities in the game that increase the damage of a weapon however, even something so humble as the Master-crafted relic upgrade, and those will help in this circumstance. The weapon's damage will be set to 1, then any modifiers take effect.

[@TheTexasDice]

Why is everyone so hot on the Chaplain? Yes, I get it: 5+++ with 8 Wounds is nice. But a Gravis Captain and a Bike Captain can also have 8 Wounds and at least a 6+++ with Iron Resolve. Furthermore, they are not stuck with a 3+ save, because the bones turn on the Gravis Stratagem and the Bike can just use a storm shield.

[@Sapphire_Jack]

Yes but can he take out RowButt GirlyMan in 1 turn?

[@milanos2114]

Ofc it's a spais mawiens model.

[@stdtohneangabe4677]

The best thing I could imagine to kill him would be things like stormcannons Maby an repulsor or redemptor with both If possible in devastator doctrine even the transhuman wouldn't do that much🤔

[@olractrooprev5237]

Can I use this relic on my blood angels gravis captain?

[@Mastercio]

I believe this is Black templar exclusive.

[@KarlRosner]

LoL another reason to stack lighting claws over all other weapons.

[@marcoseel5119]

being a (very inexperienced) Sisters player, i'm just thinking... how many Shots can he take: ORDER OF THE EBON CHALICE for CLEANSING FLAMES Strat for 1 CP plus CLEANSED BY FIRE Strat for 2 CP plus HOLY TRINITY Strat for 1 CP Retributor Squad with 4x Ministorum heavy flamer 1x Combi-melta 2x Armorium cherub I know, 4 CP is A LOT, but just for theoriecrafing... that would be 30 hits per Turn, wounding on 3+ with -1AP , plus MW's Can someone calculate this ?

[@DarksteelPenguin]

36 hit at 3+/4+sv/FNP = 8dmg, don't need the MW. If he uses transhuman, you're down to 6 and need the MW.

[@mobilegamersunite]

Cool 😎

[@kyronwolf7418]

How on earth are the 9th edition rules so nice to play, but the codexes just keep getting more and more ridiculous that the game itself isn’t even fun anymore… it’s literally just a case of ‘who collects this army at the time’ wins without trying… I play Drukhari and even I feel like sometimes I win my games without even needing to try, and that’s without a competitive list (which often I hate using because I prefer playing fluffy). Is anyone else in the same boat here where 40K power creep is just too much?

[@alexl.8748]

20 man blob Skitarii Vanguards with 60 shots, auto wounding 5's and 6's with stratagem can chew that bike captain and spit him back fairly easily. Hes practically having to save over 20+ wound rolls...lol

[@Golden_Wolf_Gaming]

That’s because Mechanicus are currently beyond powerful

[@SarajevoKyoto]

So the most absurdly broken faction in the game can delete him? Well, at least there's that.

[@highonpaint]

Only problem i have is things like gaz who honestly would not care for that anything says "i only take one dmg" now cant kill him in a single round... and in General i more and more loose interesst in the game ...

[@PikemanxPete]

Unless they changed something, the c'tan nightbringer can't have its damage reduced by any means so I think that still folds this guy. Otherwise he's terrifying.

[@Rord64]

The NB absolutely can have his damage reduced. His datasheet specifies rules that ignore wounds, and reducing damage is not ignoring wounds. Exact wording is key. Ignoring wounds means the damage already occured and now you move on to the next step of the damage process, while the damage reduction occurs while the damage is being rolled.

[@PikemanxPete]

@@Rord64 you're right I checked that. It would still negate the FNP on the chaplain. Also with his sweep attack he has 12 S7 attacks that would hit at his invuln. -3 AP if you use the entropic blows strat.

[@indecisionator]

laughs in shadowsword

[@Golden_Wolf_Gaming]

And yet I can’t have the Wulfen stone or armor of Russ....

[@matiasyannuzzi9655]

Between this and Helbrecth, looks like a BT fanboy was left in charge of making the rules.

[@mikoajkosowski1750]

Same fanboy that nerfed Devout Push and removed advance&charge strat?

[@matiasyannuzzi9655]

@@mikoajkosowski1750 Yep. A thin veneer of "balance".

[@SuperSiggi007]

This must be changed to "reduce the damage by one" , this is just @%#%#%

[@mattfink9349]

285 Fenrisian Wolves are tougher 🐺

[@joshwright3217]

If gw puts out any rule that looks strong everyone loses it lmao

[@Golden_Wolf_Gaming]

Strong is one thing. This is broken. Literally can 1v1 a demon primarch. That’s a bit iffy

[@joshwright3217]

But that’s kinda the point and direction things are going in my opinion, mortarion or magnus or whoever no model should be able to win you a game it’s all a trade off, like he said in the video if your armies dead that durability means nothing just keep away from it and kill the rest then you can focus on the chap, get chaff units to nuisance charge him he’s not that strong in a fight just tough. It’s really good and definitely meta for Templars but it’s no more broken than drukari succubus or ironstriders, that’s just my opinion though

[@Golden_Wolf_Gaming]

@@joshwright3217 not every faction gets chaff units

[@joshwright3217]

Any troop choice or sightly durable unit is a chaff unit, he’s strong and something to work around but I don’t think he’s as broken as everyone’s saying I guess we’ll have to wait and see once it all drops

[@Golden_Wolf_Gaming]

@@joshwright3217 18 points for marines is expensive as “chaff”

[@tnttv5360]

Really not that tanky vs energy weapon units

[@speiicheck4975]

tip it's not a knight

[@NotCZMK]

Game Workshop take living on prayer a bit too seriously

[@Mastercio]

As for nighbringer, you cant reduce his damage, no inv and -4ap so it would be way more than 3W

[@Guem2856]

You're not reducing damages by X, but changing dealt damages to 1. It ignores the nightbringer rule as it's written right now.

[@Mastercio]

@@Guem2856 I dont like arguing about rules but with this one i would do it. That looks like something that is not intentional. Nighbringer was supposed to ignore every way of defense. If now they will add ways to defend even against stuff like him... thanks but i am done with it.

[@Golden_Wolf_Gaming]

@@Mastercio he’s good for his points regardless just don’t throw him against this character. Granted this is dumb but there are solutions

[@Mastercio]

@@Golden_Wolf_Gaming yeah, but enemy can just throw him at you, and he is way faster than nightbringer and just block him for minimum 1 turn, which for this model is denying him A lot of his potential.

[@Golden_Wolf_Gaming]

@@Mastercio I did say it was dumb. I still want bjorn to not get tabled like turn 2

[@Brofisticus]

Its like some of these rules were written so you could spot the WAAChole.

[@bubger]

Game balance.

[@TaRatTinCan]

20 skitarii vanguards would still annihilate him, so I guess it’s balanced

[@clarkwalter7170]

Thats the kind of shit who ruin the game , every ed theres ridiculus broken stuff

[@drathlor]

wait for it to be nerfed :)

[@antonlukkarinen2648]

What do I think of the combo? Fucking silly is what I think..

[@stuntmankelp3198]

Sounds like GW was sweating over marines not being the top faction

[@twilightwyrm]

Yeah whatever, use all those 2 damage marine killers they are handing out to every faction like candy to dry your tears.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Power creep is real. Warhammer slowly becomes P2W only.. or always has been? xD

[@josharts4757]

It has always been this way, its either the new mini getting suspicious low point costs for their true worth in utility, or just GW not knowing how to balance their own game. In the end its an impossible task to balance 40k due to the huge amount of units and rules jumping around, problem is when meta chasers cant tell apart between a casual and a tournament game, and GW selling 5+ books just to play a single faction.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

@@josharts4757 i would not care about power creep if we have ALL new books from the start of edition and gw just later balance them by using online patches and etc. and later add new units( which can be op for a moment, ok). but now the start of 9 looks 8.

[@darko-man8549]

I’m sorry…what? All damage is 1?