One Of The Strangest Problems I've Ever Repaired - Gottlieb's 1965 Bank A Ball Pinball Machine

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[@aquaexnar3093]

my grandfather always LO.VED pinball - a serious addiction. a family tournament would break out at every tavern, any arcade, a family trip... fathers and sons and uncles, cousins hopping in... all because his admiration for these games. I've asked him before why he liked them so much and he has responded "well, i just love the dings and whistles, while the points are just piling up!" with a big smile. i can see why now he loved pinball so much. these old machines are magical. they make you feel so engaged and excited when playing. take in mind - he grew up in the LA scene in the late 40s/50s. he rode some of the first skateboards to come out (just a 2x4 with these tiny, very scary metal rollerskate wheels. extremely deadly. i had a pair of my grandmothers' rollerskates from when she was a teenager until recently, and it amazed me how unsafe they looked! anyway..). im sure he would of been right in the middle of the pop culture flow. unreal. what a time. i still love pinball.

[@LyonsArcade]

Your Grandfather was a stud!

[@jimturpin]

Thank you for the post, brings back fond memories. When I was an early teen (early 70's) I found a pile of pinball machines by the road that were used for gambling and the owner had gotten caught and shut down so he was scrapping them. Anyhow, I asked if I could have them and he gave them to me so I brought them all home using my Radio Flyer little red wagon and learned how to repair them. As a 16 and 17 year old, I was repairing gambling pinball machines in illegal honkey tonks throughout the south part of Mississippi and made good money, far better than hauling hay and working on a farm. Oddly the experience opened the door for me into a lifelong and wonderful career in telecommunications where I am now an engineer designing test systems, writing software and diagnosing equipment failures for the company where I work today. Aside from working with mechanical relays, rotating counting mechanisms and such, the principles are still very much a part of modern electronics and programming. It still just kind of blows my mind how those designers in those days created the logic and "programming" to make those pinball machines work.

[@marineboy1964]

I love KZbin for this reason, just watching a random video about a man fixing a old pinball machine and it was very entertaining thank you from the UK

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Marine Boy, we're glad you enjoyed it!

[@AsmodeusMictian]

"Hey, Joe! What was the problem when they brought this in?" "It was broke." Gets me every damn time.

[@gorillaau]

Totally accurate but useless at the same time. :-)

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

Ditto need I say more

[@ThinkerOnTheBus]

@@gorillaau If one wishes to receive the correct answer, one must ask the correct question!

[@MxMoondoggie]

It's a very simple and old school machine but there is something about it that's just attractive. The lighting and noises give a feel of an era I never experienced, I can imagine hanging out with friends, getting a milkshake and playing one of these machines in the era of my parents. By the time I played my first machines they were a lot more complicated, digital and noisier but I enjoy the simplicity and low key nature of a machine like this.

[@jacobishii6121]

These weren't low key in their day.....TV screen were much smaller, phones were stuck to the wall and only did phone calls.Computers and consoles not really a thing. This was High key at its finest in its day

[@kingforaday8725]

OMG!!!! Id forgotten all about this game ! It was one of my favorites. I was intrigued by the little balls in the back cabinet! Brings back memories of elementary school and the mall where my dad worked. Im thinking mid 60's You guys are so lucky to be around these old things!!!

[@LyonsArcade]

Thanks for watching KingForaDay!

[@Sodoffshotgun]

The title of this video promised more *strange magic* and I was not disappointed. A glitch that causes a higher top score.

[@ccotcamp]

Ummmmm …. For the record, not a glitch, but a hack. In a video game it’s called an illegal patch or code. In the era of electro mechanical games, it’s an electrical hack. Very clever. Only a game tech who really understood how to read the schematics could plan this to be so well hidden.

[@protoborg]

@@ccotcamp Only a tech who understood the schematic could DO this hack.

[@irieman442]

That is a really unique game. These designers really loved this machine. Small things like all the balls in the backboard are at different angles. Nobody would do that today. They would all be straight. I have noticed the short flipper games are more difficult than the newer machines. Insane that the ball mechanism still works after 60 years.

[@creed5248]

When I was a kid I would go look for pinball machines to play in different stores , game rooms and convenience stores . I was really good at playing them and would usually give my free games won to someone who was there watching me play . Through the years they just were harder and harder to find - being replaced by the new video games . I miss them immensely ...

[@SOU6900]

So you're a pinball wizard? 😉

[@creed5248]

@@SOU6900 Yeah I got mad when some of the places took off the legs and set them on platforms . What's the fun in that with no nudges and shakes . LoL

[@pin-monkeypinball3548]

Nothing sounds better then old Gottlieb bells

[@LyonsArcade]

Yeah this one's pretty classy!

[@SergZak2023]

Nice work, guys! Thanks as always for recording and posting....watching "broke" pinballs being fixed is quite entertaining! One of my favorite channels 👍

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

Again ditto

[@JustinFrost302]

you miss a lightbulb 💡 the left bumper, I love ❤️ old pinball machines ❤️😊 wish I had one

[@LyonsArcade]

you think so?

[@peterward2275]

I LOVE these early pinball machines, the graphics, the apparent simplicity but the incredibly complex and amazing internal mechanisms using another relays etc.

[@davidbowers521]

Great old game, simple to understand yet fun to watch with the pool ball animation. Reminds me of the old baseball games where the players would actually run the bases in the backbox. Speaking of those it seems a brand new baseball machine is out, I've seen it at a few amusement parks, of course its redemption ticket oriented, but what makes it super cool is the player control is a section of aluminum bat, you can angle it, you can decide how far to pull it back, and it seems to be directly mechanically linked to the bat in the game, makes you feel like you have control. To the commenter about game speed, try going to an arcade that has a good selection of pinballs of different vintages. Play a 70's EM then a 2020 Stern (or vice versa) it will mess with your judgement. Ron great job discovering the score hack, and how you went about tracing down the score hack. , though since it resulted in some non scoring targets, not the best implemented. Reminds me of the 4 Million BC you had in , yes they hacked the bumpers to score 1,000 instead of 100 when lit, but it worked without causing other targets to suffer and they changed the bumper caps to match. (Also thanks for in some of your videos mentioning the left flipper trick - I ran across a Nip It friday that looked to be turned off, I didn't see an out of order sign on it (or a "It's Broke" sign on it) , so I pressed the left flipper and the thing sprang to life.)

[@LyonsArcade]

The magic left flipper button :) I'll have to find that baseball game, I like those things, hey, it could be, that I'm working on one of the original 60's Pitch & Bat games right now and filming videos for you folks :) We'll have to see...

[@MattMcIrvin]

I just played one of those pitch and bat games in Pawtucket, Williams "Ball Park" with a backbox animation where runners run around the bases while you play. Canobie Lake Park has this big collection of them but they're hardly ever working.

[@ccotcamp]

Great video. Great content. Great commentary. Thank you for posting this up. I remember working on pinball machines in the late 70's when working for Malibu Grand Prix in Cincinnati. Very fascinating work. Most of our work involved removing the glass and cleaning the playing surfaces, replacing the bumpers and making sure all the switches and relays were working properly. (Of course, my favorite was working on the cars - but that's another story for another day). I didn't go through all the comments (wish we could do a search) but I observed on the lower left hand side of the backboard, there are five lights - numbered 1 - 5 - corresponding to the ball-in-play. Before you started the game, the number 1 was lit up as well as the Game Over sign. When you completed the game, the 5 light came on along with the Game Over sign. Is there a relay or switch that the ball passes over to change which light comes on and to reset? Or maybe it is just the lightbulbs weren't examined and replaced. It would seem to me the ball passes over a switch to light the first bulb and subsequent lights in sequence. Just an observation. Probably too late to check that out or did you cover it and I missed something?

[@wackyworldofwindios3476]

Hi Ron. Better late than never, LOL. Now for Dinner and watching your great repair videos , witch is Brain Food for my Brain. You Rock Ron.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Dano we appreciate you watching buddy

[@1TwistedPoet]

I don't see any bulbs out, but I PLAYED that machine in the 70s.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching TwistedPoet!

[@petertstanley]

Just Played this at the California Extreme pinball show in Santa Clara California yesterday. Lots of fun to play a machine that you were actively working on. I was surprised in person the balls on the back glass were smaller than expected. looks much better int he video... I think Joe played better than I did.

[@superspak]

I didn't know I needed this in my life, but I am subbed now. As an engineer these old electromechnical systems always did fascinate me. Love the old schematics, Cheers!

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching superspak!

[@SOU6900]

"They done hacked this damn thing" 🤣 I love the way you said that so much I keep backing up the video just to hear it again.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching SOU6900!

[@BigboiiTone]

Kinda reminds me of another Gottlieb classic "Big Shot" which i have as a vp. Cool to see a physical game and I love that crackling sound

[@LyonsArcade]

We did a Big Shot about two months ago, check it out! Thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4jWXmN_p7-Bp9E

[@JerryEricsson]

I was around back when this game was king. The back glass story is at a TEEN CENTER! It was an attempt by do-gooders to get the kids off the street and into a gathering place with no beer but cokes and pinball machines. They had a record changer that you could load up, one of those old 45 decks that plugged into a radio (pre stereo) and you could spin the tunes and do the twist or any other dance, most likely the 2-step as most teens knew that one if you wanted to feel the lady you were dancing with up close and personal. I know I learned the 2 step when I was young, and took my buck a week allowance and blew it in the pinball machines. 3 plays for a quarter. Ah for the good old days.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Jerry, I didn’t recognize what they were doing!

[@seancurry2863]

Glad you changed those flipper rubber rings - looks much better!

[@n803er]

That shot showing everyone how the switches clean themselves has been the best thing I've seen you show so far. Good job! Come on people, am I wrong?

[@paulclarke7571]

Hence forward you sir shall be known a "Relentless Ron." You really worked hard to track down this problem down Ron!

[@LyonsArcade]

We found it eventually!

[@ocsrc]

Now THAT is a pinball machine The lights, the color, the theme, the sounds, the action. Perfection Is this owned by someone who sent it to be repaired ?

[@EsotericArctos]

What a gorgeous game. Not a lot going on on the playfield, but so much fun with the back box animations. Thanks for showing this one off. This is the first time I have ever seen this particular game.

[@LyonsArcade]

Yeah I really like the look of it, there's only so many ways you can do a pool theme though, they pretty much had it figured out by this time :) Thanks for watching Brendan!

[@tubaplyr4]

haahhahaa "But daddy.." "Put the evidence......In the CAR!" one of my favorite lines from Smokey and the Bandit

[@LyonsArcade]

I grew up watching that movie, my favorite of all time!

[@srtamplification]

I think it would be neat to alternate between two players and play it like a game of pool. Who ever got all of their balls and the 8-ball first wins. If one player accidently got the 8-ball when they hadn't got all of theirs would lose. Awesome game!!! Great video!!!

[@ObsidianContraption]

Very informative video man! I picked up a Rack a Ball, which is very similar, although I like how mine has actual balls in the back box. It plays well, but hums a lot. The score reels however sometimes get stuck when you reset the game, often on the same numbers like 900 or 1

[@MrButtonpresser]

What a great game. Brings back memories of the Drive-In for some reason.

[@LyonsArcade]

Yeah it kind of has that late 50's early 60's drive in vibe

[@128MrRon]

That also includes the love of vintage cabinet games..💕

[@trotptkabasnbi6655]

You guys are a joy to watch and listen

[@lechkenassh9008]

break cleaner would clean those up nice!!! then some spray to seal them back up!!! if you have time!!!

[@LyonsArcade]

I’m afraid it might take the paint off that gives it it’s number…

[@macdaddyns]

Great job again Ron! Nice game with vibrant colours and artwork that reminds me of the old Archies comics. Thanks for the ride!

[@LyonsArcade]

Yeah it really does, nice yellows and reds....

[@T-Town_Country_Life]

Ron, that was a great job of troubleshooting. I've been watching and learning. Thanks.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching Robert!

[@jeffreywienhoff6412]

The 8 is for the special once all solids or stipes are hit. Once the 8 is hit you win an extra game and the 8 light will come on in the back glass.

[@alexboehm7171]

41:38 after hitting the eight ball the 100 counter does not go to 5, so instead of 510, the score went from 460 to 410

[@LyonsArcade]

Whoops!

[@Dirkanador]

Very cool to see the complicity of the old games. Love the sarcasm. Nice trouble shooting.

[@boblow2186]

Might have been broke. But looks stunning now. Well done 👍

[@ryanwhittier7314]

Bank a ball is such a neat game to play. There’s a beat up one over at my local arcade that i always play everytime i go. Definitely some things wrong with the one there but it still works fairly well.

[@LyonsArcade]

It's probably hard to keep them perfect on location... thanks for watching Ryan!

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

"It was broke" - Perfectly clearn communication !

[@onefish26]

"Jangly Kickers" is my new band name... 🤣

[@markjackson1444]

Very enjoyable series of videos. Like all well balanced games, sometimes you can have a great game, and other times it will make you look like a beginner. 1965 was a fairly innocent time, despite the killing of JFK the year before. Bank A Ball fits right in to the times. …and it looks so good. Who doesn’t want a set of pool balls in the back of their pinball machine?? Thanks for keeping it alll so much fun Ronnie.

[@LyonsArcade]

I was reading about Phil Spector's christmas album, he made it in the summer of 63 and that fall they were going to release it, but JFK was murdered and nobody really felt like buying a Christmas album that year. Like you said though it was about a year before this game and I guess life went on!

[@MattMcIrvin]

The people on the backbox are all dressed like my parents at that age. 1965 would be about right.

[@rickpontificates3406]

I've fixed MANY MODERN PINBALLS, but I feel the same way about EMs that you said you felt about modern pinball; intimidated

[@simondempsey1]

nicely repaired Ron, turned out good in the end

[@LyonsArcade]

Thanks Simon!

[@purdue98]

Hey Ron, I noticed when going through 50 points the first time it did not go to 410 not sure if this is an issue

[@jtveg]

Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching John!

[@johnmichael1979]

If there was to be a pool hall in Leave It To Beaver, they nailed it!

[@LyonsArcade]

I like how they drew it, pretty funny and cool

[@doloresdelorto6516]

Beautiful!!!! I wonder if an old EM can be remade solid state making all the circuitry digital and just keeping the visible electromechanical elements; did somebody something like that?

[@AllanSitte]

Always remember people.... count your dings!! 😆

[@scifimaji]

Joe ..I know those parts are fragile....but try a Mr Clean Dry Eraser and a dab off water, they are wonderful for soft safe cleaning. good job keep it up ohh and left flipper shouldn't buzz like it does

[@1976aztec]

Great job always fun watching your tutorial videos

[@joemode101]

That is a very nice pinball machine you did an awesome job👍🏼

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you joemode101!

[@darykinnaman2319]

I started working on pinball machines and video games back in 1977. That was before the emergence of the space invaders and asteroids. Most pinball machines were electromechanical, the first digital pinballs just came out, at least commercially (Night Rider and E Knievel). I worked for years on my own and had to figure things out for myself. The collectors today seem to be spoiled brats and not the working class that I was a part of. They have all of the advantages, and I have nothing in common with them. In fact, they make me sick. Joe, you are a throwback mechanic like me, I enjoy your videos. 👌👌

[@rwyankees]

Hey Joe! Always remember, technicians don’t “bend anything”, they “adjust”. :D

[@LyonsArcade]

hahaha that's a good point. We have a guy here locally that says he "Retensions the fuse holders"

[@1971VoiceoftheMummy]

Nice work!

[@MRNBricks]

Nice work. That was a tough thing to track down. Really neat game.

[@harrowtiger]

Nice work fixing this old beast.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching Rubbishcop!

[@128MrRon]

Left bumper light out .. top one… the one with the lady on it on the left …dang the ejector bumper..

[@stormchaser300]

WHAT A CLASSIC PIN BALL MACHINE AN OLDIE BUT A GOODIE.😎😎😎😎😁😁😁😁

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

Enough said

[@lawrenceveinotte]

I would have thought the flippers would have more power, i am really enjoying your videos, i'm looking for my third pinball machine, the first was a Williams 3d that was in almost perfect shape, it was a graduation gift from my parents 50 years ago, i sold it ten years later to buy a car, the second i picked up for free and sold 2 days later, i don't even remember what it was, think i'll post an ad for a used EM pinball machine. thanks again.

[@LyonsArcade]

You think so?

[@lawrenceveinotte]

@@LyonsArcade can they loose there power form the number of times they cycle?

[@arcadejourney]

The switches do clean themselves. Your evidence is irrefutable Ron. Well Played! Awesome, Cool, Killer game. Very enjoyable series. Those out lanes are Murder!

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Kelly!

[@markl6636]

one of the green lights on top is out too.... never mind you got it at 13:40

[@djlamar2]

"Hey Joe! What's wrong with this machine" "Its broke" I should use that at work when someone asks me that question XD

[@LyonsArcade]

It takes a lot of talent to be able to analyze games on the fly like that!

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

@@LyonsArcade yes and upvoted

[@roboandrew1]

Left flipper is definitely buzzing

[@LyonsArcade]

You think so?

[@Koumajutsu]

Man, those old school relay logic circuits just make me itch when they're this spaghetti. I have to resist replacing with a cheap PLC

[@LyonsArcade]

The only problem with doing that is all the connections, you'd have to rewire each machine, it'd take forever

[@Koumajutsu]

@@LyonsArcade No worse than the wastewater pump stations that I do on the regular :)

[@seth8629]

What great work!

[@dmtcb]

another classic video!!! thank you!

[@billderby1527]

I sure wish I wasn't so far from you I want to become a pinball wizard like you.

[@OfLastingThunder]

Kinda creepy hearing that machine run by itself. Usually it's accompanied by other machines, the bustle of an arcade or skating rink.

[@LyonsArcade]

I usually only have one on anymore!

[@OfLastingThunder]

@@LyonsArcade I imagine! It was just a thought that crossed my mind, cause I don't think I've ever just heard ONE pinball machine in a room with nothing else happening. It's a little creepy!

[@telletran2558]

Another fine quality job well done :)

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching, Telletran!

[@themilkmanv]

I've learned a new pinball condition jangley. 😃

[@mariokarter13]

I was today years old when I realized pinballs are made of metal so they can complete the circuit on the table so the game can keep track of your points.

[@hardies1]

I did actually notice 5 bulbs on the play field that need attention(2 are not lit and 3 are flickering). The 2 that are out are under the plastic triangle by the left flipper and also under the center plastic piece behind the 8 ball target.) The 3 that are flickering are the top one under the triangle plastic piece by the right flipper, the one under the sliver rectangle shield on the left side of the play field, and the red light right at the end of the ball launch chute. Just thought you'd like to know. 🙂

[@LyonsArcade]

You think so?

[@ansibomb]

I think they changed the 5 to 10 to reduce the number of bell sounds. 1 ding vs 5.

[@LyonsArcade]

That could be!

[@Mark-hb5zf]

So how hard is it to solder on some of these old connections or wires? Do they still take solder well or does it take a lot of time to clean them up? I imagine a lot of flux is your friend?

[@LyonsArcade]

Some of them don’t want it for sure!

[@JosephWellman]

left flipper buzzes when active.

[@LyonsArcade]

You think so?

[@whiskyguzzler982]

At 29 seconds, we get to see Joe reflected in the back glass!

[@LyonsArcade]

Joe's the man!

[@rlt422]

We need MOAR bells in your videos. The only fix for your videos is MORE COW BELL!

[@VulpisFoxfire]

Waiting for the owner to complain about the change in the flippers and the lower scoring. (Hey, why's it only scoring 5 now when it used to be 10? You broke it!) :-)

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

LOL yes until Joe tells them that it wasn't supposed to do that originally and it was hacked up not the pieces though LOL

[@UnreasonableSteve]

100% expected him to look over at the notepad after the "dictation" to see a list of four "it's broke"

[@ETPinball]

Nice Catch. Those hacks are the worst!

[@uplinktruck]

Left flipper buzzes when held. Does a pinball that old have end of stroke switches on the flippers? If so, I think the EOS switch isn't working and the coil is going to fry.

[@davidg-m1768]

Look at those switches cleaning themselves! Who knew??? Ron knew!

[@LyonsArcade]

That's the greatest video clip I've ever filmed I'm going to make it a short

[@rizzlerazzleuno4733]

The Shadow knows.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Yup... Put the Red rubber rings back on the Flippers... it makes the game easier to play and thus more fun to enjoy.

[@LyonsArcade]

You think so?

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

@@LyonsArcade Holding the ball with a flipper and 'aiming it', to me, is always the most fun, to me... :-)

[@1971VoiceoftheMummy]

41:20 why did two of the ball lights go out at once. I think it was a 14 and 9 and the 7 and 15 balls. Just curious.

[@LyonsArcade]

It’s set that way on three ball play

[@1971VoiceoftheMummy]

@@LyonsArcade ohh. Got it. Cool stuff. it's very hard to get a good score on those old pinballs. I remember them as a kid as I'm 59. You are always losing your quarter as a ball rolled between the flippers or around the far left and right sides. Enjoying all the videos. Lots of troubleshooting time and hopefully satisfaction when you solve the problems.

[@shaunrichardson2346]

nice work

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Shaun!

[@NIGHTOWL-jf9zt]

What is the 11 for on the girls red dress at the pool table, it is not lit and does not seem to move or change?

[@ThinkerOnTheBus]

What's up with the left flipper making that awful buzzing noise when in use most of the time?

[@ocsrc]

God I love this machine ❤

[@allglorytogod12]

I had a good laugh when I heard "Put the evidence in the car!"...then I heard a phantom response "but Daddy." Thanks. SatB may never had been a movie we ever quote without Jackie Gleason.

[@jasonsteverson4609]

Hey Ron!!

[@LyonsArcade]

Hello Jason!

[@waynegram8907]

JOE CLASSIC, What is determining the timing? its only the score motor cams IMPULSE switches that are determining the timing of the pinball game. I'm not sure why that 5 point wire being connect to the 10 point relay would use timing issues because the score motor cams Impulse switch still haven't changed i would think logically that the timing would be the same. I'm just confused how the other relays switches can change and alter the pinball games "timing".

[@LyonsArcade]

Timing isn't necessarily how long something takes, it's the order it's done in. So certain switches close before other ones, this switch might have to close and open before another one closes, or it won't work properly. Thank you for watching Wayne!

[@waynegram8907]

@@LyonsArcade So it changed and alters the Pinball games Sequencing switch order

[@jasons5654]

You have a bulb out behind the woman's head on your left kicker

[@Christophersanchez1326]

Looking at what was going on. it didn't look like you can get a MATCH. Now it looks so. 😃

[@ddognine]

It's fixed, but the question is for how long? It is interesting how these machines are just a bunch of relays, switches, and motors. No caps, resistors, or tubes.

[@VulpisFoxfire]

I didn't watch the other video on this machine..did you mention what that little reel on the right side of the backbox (and shows up in the red skirt) tracks? It's not lit like the score reels are.

[@rizzlerazzleuno4733]

That shows the credits.

[@transcanada9028]

I though I could here an A.C. hum with the left paddle that wasn't there with the right one. It seemed pretty loud.

[@jamesf1795]

I love the smell of pinball in the morning.

[@LyonsArcade]

It is something else :)

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

As long as it's not the smell of something burning or overheating it would be a good stuff otherwise Houston we have a problem