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[@israelmartinez4097]

Hey I’m hoping this comment reaches you. I ordered the Saturn 4 ultra when it first came out when I got it around June….3 prints in and the printer would no longer print everytime I tried printing it will make a pop sound power down turn back on and ask if I wanna restart my print when I hit yes it happens again. Everytime the uv light turns on boom it fails. I reached out to Elegoo and it’s been a nightmare they send me the parts missing a wire I did not have time to work on it cause of work but when I figured out I was missing a wire….1 hour to figure out I was not leaving a wire inside the machine but was in fact missing it. They sent me new parts missing the same wire then sent the parts with the wires not even soldered onto the chip with the light source on it. So I did it myself and the printer still does the same. I’m frustrated it’s been like 7 months and I still can’t print. I don’t know what to do anymore and im just hoping that by reaching out to someone who has connects in Elegoo if hopefully something can be done so they can actually help me or take this printer back and send me another.

[@nickisajev9281]

Hi. Saturn 4 ultra has the manual leveling as well for some small time now)

[@m4ximusprim3]

Glad to see you call out the screen replacement process on these tilting printers. I am still using a mighty 8k (which i love, but sloooow) and eventually will upgrade to one of the tilt vat models, but not until someone comes out with one where a screen replacement doesn't require a full down to the studs remodel.

[@sixtogarcia1314]

Thanks!

[@FauxHammer]

Oh wow! Thanks buddy! What’s that for?

[@gaelcross]

Note : the manual leveling in the 12k Saturn 4 ultra was implemented in one of the last firmware updates, before the 16k was announced

[@AG-x4r]

It's not leveling. It is only some sort of check. There still is no way to normally level this plate like on any other printer

[@gaelcross]

@AG-x4r well, i agree with you it's a "manual check" with paper sheets, not a "real leveling". What is said in this video is that wasn't available on the Saturn 4 Ultra. I just corrected this mistake because this process (with the paper sheets, the screws and the buildplate laying on screen) is indeed present in this model since the december firmware update, as i own one and could see it myself

[@chemistrybro_]

I just put my build plate into the cleaning bath with prints still on it ahha,I do this using the anycubic wash n cure 3 plus, with the rack set up for the plate so only the lower section of the plate dips into the alcohol - cleans it and the prints together and I never drip resin anywhere, its a really nice system tbh, gets around a lot of cleaning issues and takes away most of the issue with this built plate. 😁😁

[@joelbanks8868]

Not sure if the 3 plus has the same issues as the max, but I found excess resin didn't get completely removed before curing so I have to do a pre wash before the wash. If you notice any tackiness/stickiness after curing it's because the resin wasn't completely washed off, this does affect tolerances so if parts require significant sanding to fit together, this is one reason why. Also if tolerances are an issue supposedly curing it in a liquid like water (and I think ipa works too) helps dissipate the heat that occurs when curing which also affects tolerances.

[@chemistrybro_]

@@joelbanks8868 well i have two of the 15L washing containers😅😅 , so yea i do already do two washes anyway, Ill just put it in the first one, do a 5 min clean, then as i lift it out, spray some more alcohol on with my spray bottle, and its like 80-90% clean, and then i replace the wahsing container with my second one, which remains almost completely clear and do a second round of 5 mins :) so yea I do not have any issues, after the two washes in a first dirty/cloudy container then the much cleaner one my prints come out super clean every time, if there is any areas left i see needing more, i just spray with my spray bottle a ibit :)

[@joelbanks8868]

@@chemistrybro_ Smart, wish I did what you did. the max ain't worth it.

[@GlennG5150]

Just ordered this unit, it'll be my first 3d printer. I see a lot of whinging about a lot of things here, but I think I can safely say they really don't/won't apply to whatever experience I may have. I won't be cranking out prints 24/7, won't be putting it in a freezing environment, and I think I can tip the lid without needing the handle. I'm an old techie from way back, so rippin' this baby open to replace the LCD in the future will be quite the challenging adventure and learning experience, even if things are a bit hot-glued. The thing is, these machines have come a long way but they're still not perfect, probably never will be. I'm nearly old as dirt so I can't wait for the perfection to drop in my dusty lap, so part of my fun will be fine-tuning a couple things and hopefully I won't eff it up too much. Keep having fun and being creative!

[@rmjoumaa29]

Thanks for the video. I have been trying to get my hands on a 12k as I didn't want the 16k monitor, but the heated vat really won me over. (I print in my garage which gets chilly) Thanks for the thorough review as always.

[@adrianscott8023]

Thanks for all the informative vids, helped me decide on which one to get

[@88RunnerBlade]

love the review, you are the only one actually testing the printers instead of just reviewing the specification sheet that comes with it. So we have a worse print quality but vat heater for 100Euro more. Maybe the 12k saturns now go on bigger sale. If Anycubic comes with m7 max with higher res screen this year, they will sweep the market

[@redlefthand]

Nice review. Ordered one as soon as it went up. Time to upgrade my Anycubic Photon S... Heated vat, bigger size, better resolution, faster printing... I only hope I don't get a lemon build plate like I've seen in some reviews.

[@Emtbtoday]

I held off on the Saturn 4 Ultra to see how this new tech would work out, as I was an unwilling beta tester for the Anycubic M5s. After I helped with the new adjustable V2 build plate, they sent me one, and I just packed the whole thing up and put it in storage! It's still there to this day. I bought the Elegoo Saturn 3 Ultra as replacement instead, as I already had Saturn 2s and love them. I was too fast to jump on the new test with auto-leveling! Great video very interesting on the 16k I thought it might have been better with the now square pixels back from 12k rectangular that left alot scratch marks more testing will be done but think I'll order one now and see!

[@MarcelGeleijnse]

Great video review, as always. And as you say great printer. There is an arms-race going on at the cost of affordability. Sure I love that they added a vat heater. In reality I don't need the extra resolution, so 12K will be more than enough. A slightly smaller build area is imho worse that an increase in resolution that I never would see or appreciate. And the main thing is that all this new stuff comes at a price. I have the 12K already and I like it, and stick to it. But if I hadn't purchase the 12k already then, just like I cannot afford the super FDM Bamboo or Prusa core one, I do not want to spend an 25% on top of the Saturn Ultra 12K to chose the 16K. For almost everyone, price is a very important factor when making a choice. Keep the videos and the discussions going.

[@nekospaw]

whoo glad I was off sick today, been waiting for you to look at this printer!

[@S.A.S.H.]

I've been looking forward to your take on this product. Thanks for the effort!

[@sanebedlam]

I pre-ordered on launch day it will be my first printer so this should be fun.

[@ecbald1921]

Printing out some Trench Crusade minis I see. The court has some fantastically detailed models.

[@paullancaster297]

Another great video Ross. I'd love that heated vat tray for my 12K Ultra. Another advantage of "that" build plate, is that it is easily swapped out. I have at least two build plates for all my printers, allowing me to get the printer turnround between prints to a minimum. Unlike my Anycubics (or any other printer which uses plates manually levelled to the screen) each plate has to be setup to an individual printer, and not swapable between similar printers. I hadn't realised the screen was smaller, thanks for that - I think. Now back in a quandry, I intend getting another Saturn 4 Ultra, and would really like the heated vat, but do use the full size of the current screen, so loosing approx 3mm alround will be an issue. I have the Elegoo space heater installed (again as per the heated vat no manual adjustment of temp), however it maintains a temp within the enclosure of approx 26C, when I can get the display up to show the current running settings the resin is often around or above 30C. I assume from the COB heat source. I live in Scotland so need heating most of the year, I wish I was as kind to the human operator (me) as I am to the resin, I don't have any space heating.

[@SamuraiMujuru]

I printed an angled hanger straight away, which is handy, but another thing that makes using the wonky build plate a bit easier is the new Mercury 3. Being able to just put the whole bloody thing into the wash tank is nice. Also less messy. Definitely need me one of them baking sheets, though.

[@KP-qp9kz]

Love the addition of the heater and the grab handle for the build plate. I never had issues with my build plate not being level, but i've also never checked lol Makes me wonder if I should check it or just leave it.

[@ppkstat]

Great review! I have 2 questions: 1. What is the PWM value you ended up using? 2. Does the exhaust port seem to be the same as the old S4U?

[@sanderreijnst]

My hope for future printers is that they upgrade the lights. The screens are good enough but the lights can be a lot better.

[@CA-qs5iu]

Another great video. I didn’t get another S4U because of the absolute ordeal it is to change the screen. This updated version doesn’t address that so it’s a no go for me. All printer reviews need to cover ease of maintenance imo. Good to see vat heaters and tech coming down to this tier of printer though. Still probably a Uniformation or HeyGears next generation for me though at this point.

[@Botanical4038]

THANK YOU for mentioning the drip adapters, and yes. Manual level is already on latest firmware on the 12k. Do you still have that chitusystems UV meter? That should be able to easily check if that light is outputting 405nm waves or not.

[@the_kroete4357]

Great and informative video as allways!

[@SeanSpeer]

I have a S4U. I needed to do a screen replacement. I started the tear down and the plugs were all hot glued in a mess. Some cable plugs were hot glued to nearby heatsinks. A row of plugs was all glued together with one long mass of glue. It was just a total mess. In trying to force the glue off one of the plugs my tweezers slipped and it popped off a capacitor. Now, I could solder that capacitor back on, but it's just ridiculous that replacing a wear and tear part required me to disassemble the entire machine and the plugs I needed to remove were just glued in with a mess of glue that required tons of force to remove. At times I was worried about breaking the PCB boards as I was applying pressure to the glue/plugs. It's something Elegoo needs to address on these machines or they'll lose at least one customer for life. For the build plate, just get a flexplate. I never remove the actual build plate any more. I just pop off the flex plate, slap on a new one, and you're good to go. It makes the two level build plate a non-issue.

[@mplatinum]

Great review. It's a nice choice for Jewellers, also 👍

[@MizGizma]

I'd love to see a side by side comparison of all the saturn 4s for their speed of printing the same item with the same settings. I want to buy one of them but really the only factor that is up in the air for me is the speed.

[@acasccseea4434]

I appreciate the higher resolution. You might not like it for your use case of hand size miniatures. But Im trying to print sub mm mechanical parts, and the resolution is a god send. Also, when you're using resin printer for mechanical parts with tolerances, the resolution helps a tonne cuz I found that lower resolution, the parts just get stuck. So it's a use case thing. Just cause you don't need it, doesn't mean other people dont

[@Double_ARon]

Reaching out to the masses for thoughts. I bought a S4U and it got shipped about 2 days before the pre-order came out for the 16k. I also bought the Elegoo heater (cold room) to go with it. Now, my heater doesn't work (going to return to Elegoo, it maxes out at 19*C) and the S4U cover was cracked in a few places, along with the vat overflow sensor saying it was too full (once even when I didn't have the vat installed!). Right now I am either looking at returning it all for a refund from Elegoo and then ordering the 16k version, or working with Elegoo to return the heater, get a new lid, and then utilize a brew belt to heat the vat. I am a hobbyist printer, printing 3d dice and lots of miniatures, so the 12-16k resolution isn't important to me (current printer is a 4k), but don't know if its worth the convenience of built in heating for the 16k or stick with 12k and just vat heat

[@FauxHammer]

If you can heat the vat well and don’t care for the Timelapse camera. Save the money and just heat the vat IMO

[@robertmartinu8803]

Still hoping for a an Elegoo Saturn based on DLP to get around both bleeding and display replacements!

[@josephschulte1073]

I held off on the Saturn 4 because I didn't think i would need a larger plate considering how err, subpar my experience with the Photon Mono 2 was. I got the mars 5U and looking into this as my next step as I love that thing. Garage Printing in Minnesota is Tricky to say the least. Elegoo heater attached to back of printer, Enclosure with thermal blanket wrapped/molded to the sides/top and it's OK most times. The vat heater on this along with the other things the S4U has going for it that I like outweigh the screen issues. I don't have a problem with the two tiered bed plate(mine actually came level, and has stayed level) especially considering the new wash tank that will allow me to use both the mars and the saturn bed plates right in the tank.

[@JohnDoe-bz4yl]

I got the Saturn 4 Ultra for Christmas and I'm very happy with it and the only thing about the new model I'm interested in is the Heated Vat but i can invest in a mini heater to fix that As for the slightly smaller build plate no thanks as some of my larger prints just fit on the plate at the moment

[@3DSte1985]

I like the look of this, but I'm not ready to say goodbye to my trusty Saturn 2 just yet, I may wait for the Saturn 5 to upgrade, or the 5 Ultra 2.0 😂

[@mikeg9493]

I’ve been in the market for a new printer but been having a really hard time deciding. It’s been back and forth between the S4U and the Photon M7. When I just started to lean heavily towards the M7 now we have the 16K. I might stick with the Photon just because I don’t want to deal with taking the entire Saturn apart just to replace the screen.

[@Skott62]

The two tier build plate is a no go for me. How could the Elegoo not see the huge cleaning and leveling problem with it??

[@VGModelling3D]

I was on the fence with this and GK3, but I think will get this. GK3 has easier screen replacement and nicer buildplate, but the price and some features on the Saturn 4 16K are better, force detection mainly.

[@FauxHammer]

Yeah, i hear you. a lot of peopole are making the same call!

[@WereCatf]

You mentioned this Elegoo Satellite slicer. One of the reasons I haven't (yet) gotten a Saturn 4 is because...well, I despise the idea of a slicer being dependent on a subscription or else you'll get a severely limited one. Everything about Chitubox just seems icky. Are you planning to take a squizz and make a video on this Satellite slicer, what you think of it?

[@redgreenbluehex]

Trench Crusade minis looked dope. Hate that build plate.

[@Weaver_Games]

I just spent tons of money on materials and tools building a heated and sealed case for my Anaycubic M4 Ultra. I wanted to "try 3d printing cheap to see if I like it" but all the extra crap needed to do just to get stuff printing right in my cold cellar could have easily been avoided by just buying this thing lol. I guess I'd still need my ventilation system at least.

[@Peweksior]

Sooo, unifmormation gktwo is still best? 😊 I'm buing a printer soon, still hooked on the uni...

[@troyphoto7]

I sold my Saturn 4 (Green), and went back to my Mars 4 Ultra. Wifi was a blessing. The "self zeroing" build plate was extremely annoying. And I have no desire for a tilting mechanism. One more thing to go wrong... Now If I could find a mid size printer with Wifi, a tilt lid, decent 12K prints, and none of the stupid stuff.

[@AlterumVeniet]

Where can I find the full instructions for adding washers to the build plate?

[@Tom_makes]

I will wait for the Athena II

[@dexshadow7]

Letsgoo!!, im literally waiting for your review sir 🤟

[@printitpaintit.2436]

Haha I was as well but I absolutely HATE the new build plates on these Saturn 4s + I always get drips down the sides of the vat. Then there's the dreaded pin hole around the rim that makes the black tape go all wrinkly! 😂 Anyway I got an offer I couldn't refuse so I went with the Saturn 3 ultra for £270 delivered and I'm also testing the new Chitu Systems Hoopat X3 quick release vat system. The new vat from chitu has no screws so you can replace the PFA or ACF in just 30s and it creates the perfect tension so no more failures due to over or under tension. Anyway it's designed for the Saturn 2, 3 and 3 ultra and WOW is worth it, I've been testing it on the Saturn 2 with their ACF. The prints are super detailed just like in Fauxhammer's 12k ultra review and it fell like latex or rubber, even with a full print bed it's SILENT zero peel sound!

[@suddskys7482]

​@@printitpaintit.2436i really don't know what printer I want. I want a fairly big, but the most important is details. I want to print 1/12 scale headsculpt.

[@dovmerrill804]

@@printitpaintit.2436Do you think the prints with the ACF were as sharp as the PFA? Mostly, Fauxhammer believes it’s not as sharp as PFA (without antialiasing turned on), but other have sometimes can’t see a difference between the ACF and the PFA. Separately, that new Chitu Systems replacement vat sounds great (for super-quick change of film and accurate film tensioning). You said “quick release” vat, but I assume the vat still uses original blot system, so it isn’t like Chitu included a “quick release slide lock” mechanism for this new vat that would replace the “knob screw bolt” system?

[@printitpaintit.2436]

@dovmerrill804 For the vat it uses the original printer bolts, by quick release they are referring to the film and it is quick maybe not the 30s they claim but I'd say you can do in 60s if you wanted to! As for the ACF I use Phrozen ACF and Apex ACF without any major loss of detail but I normally use it on my big printers so it's irrelevant because once you scale up a model you stretch out the details.. For small stuff like the Saturn 2 and 3 I used AA on the Saturn 2 and at 30um the prints look amazing. I forgot to turn on the AA for Saturn 3 ultra but the prints that I've done so far look much sharper than the Saturn 2 8k so now I've enabled it they should look even sharper!! (Saturn 2 had the old NFEP) The Saturn 3 ultra is really nice and the UI has way more options like you can alter almost any settings as you go, it's very similar to the Apex Maker X1 options wise! The fans are a little loud but that's all you can hear and they only come on when it's printing then turn off when it's finished, I can't say anything bad about it so far yer it doesn't have a heated vat but I have a little chamber heater so not a big deal. I should be posting some pictures of the vat and the prints I've just printed (Ladypool and Deadpool) + a baby dragon head from last month's loot studio bundle! The only problem I've found with the vat is the paint is already coming off but it does with the elegoo vats I don't know why they don't just use aluminium or stainless steel like Apex and Phrozen.. 🤔

[@hccdgvvfccdgn993]

Your affiliate link for the pickle jar is the same as the silicone mat.

[@LuizigenEddy]

Regarding the cleaning of the plate : Have you tought of making a box (to collect the resin) and blowing the resin off with compressed air?

[@stantomlin3791]

Can I ask what power % you settled on as I saw you choose 45% and 75% at different points in the video, I assume you were demonstrating how to change. I pre ordered one on the launch day so hoping to get notified of dispatch soon. Decided to hold off on FDM for a little while and just get a second resin. Just curious of your ballpark UV power as I assume I will have to make adjustments to mine. I would normally just decrease in increments of 5% but if it is as low as 45% for you, I may just jump straight into 50% after initial test print of 100%

[@SimonÓTreasaigh]

A heated vat???????. I live in rural west Ireland in a house made of solid stone. It gets cold in my print room. A heated vat is absolutely amazing. Finally. When i get one (and i will) ill most likely follow your recommendations for dropping it down to "12k" for the print. Great video Ross. Thanks.

[@unwound3719]

If you could only have one, would you pick this one over the regular S4U? The convenience of the heated bed is pretty tempting.

[@FauxHammer]

easily this one.

[@JohnDoe-bz4yl]

And yes I agree we need a phone app as I'm not always able to sit in front of the PC to check on my print Maybe I should invest in a mini wireless video cam

[@BlackRabbitDigitalP]

I would gladly upgrade to this in a year or so from my GK2 (which was my first printer), however there are 2 crucial features which stops me from doing so: 1. The GK2 spoiled me with how easy they made cleaning the plate since it is one thick block and the resin mainly stays where it should be. Having to navigate that narrow row of columns of the Saturn seems like a nightmare to me since resin is very hard to clean up properly to begin with, I do not need the extra headache. 2.The lack of lids on resin trays. I do not like having to empty the resin every time I am done with a print, again another feature I have been spoiled by the GK2. At this point I really think more manufacturer should consider vat lids, since most of us just stick to 1 resin and cleaning the vat without damaging the FEP feels like trying to roll three 6s on dice; a gamble I am not willing to take. I give them massive credit for finally including a heater though, that part as a UK dweller is very attractive, just wish point 1 and 2 were also considered more by them.

[@FauxHammer]

I played a game of Kill Team with my daughter a couple of weeks back. Her first game ever. First roll, 3 sixes and a five, on four dice! Don’t think I’ve had that in my life But yeah, I hear you on the differences. Gk2 is still a legend

[@BlackRabbitDigitalP]

@@FauxHammer Hah! Tell me about it... a few years back I was playing Warhammer Quest 95 with some friends... 3 turns in a row my Barbarian rolled a 1, on the fourth turn I said if I roll a 1 again I swear I'll flip the table. The dice landed on a CORNER... never seen that in my life, didn't know it was even possible, my friend told me that one of the Chaos Gods was definitely screwing with me and it was a legit roll. But yeah love my GK2 for now, still waiting for the next runner up.

[@bobevans3209]

I think its time to upgrade my OG Saturn.

[@SkitZHitZ]

Im starting too see a lot of peoples saturn 3 ultra led screens dieing now mine included and ive done maybe a total of 20 prints

[@Emtbtoday]

Lower UV intensity could theoretically preserve the screen longer in Elegoo's production thinking, but experienced users know that no two screens are the same on the UV spectrum when they are made. It's a matter of luck; a panel could last a couple of years or only a fortnight. Unfortunately, this is something they haven't yet figured out; it's always a risk during a new screen's first three months.

[@suddskys7482]

Maybe this is the one for me. And airfilter.

[@Lexst1]

Don't bother with their filter it does literally nothing. Route it out the window if possible.

[@suddskys7482]

@Lexst1 i was thinking of anycubics air and pure filter system

[@dirtyhandskev]

I was hyped on the s4u when I dropped, but I'm glad I waited. Honestly I think I'm going to go with the anycubic m7. Elegoo seems like they are focusing too much on features and farkles and making it as "plug and play" as possible rather than making a solid, predictable machine. I don't need a luxury car with the xm radio package and heated seats, I need truck that is going to do the job it needs to do, and I'll add the features I need. Also, when I need to fix something (which I will) I need it to be as easy and accessible as possible. It seems to me that anycubic is leaning more towards repairability and build quality over "shiny new features" ... At least looking at the m7 I hope they are. Let's forget about the pro 😅

[@johnstevens6063]

im runing a saturn 1 on its 2ns screen.. print quality is fine for tabletop miniatures. the points of failure in the 4 has me left wondering if I get a 3 or wait for what they do with the 5.

[@DifficultNerd]

The need to tear down to replace the screen from time to time and that split build plate is a “no” from me. I wish Any Cubic used that vat heater design. This all has me leaning to the Mono M7 and it’s an enclosure heater as the best package for my circumstances. I also take the full “take off” lid

[@maurognani8208]

Hi Ross, I've been watching your videos for days, but the more I watch them the more confused I am. I would greatly appreciate it if you could give me specific advice in my case. Next month I will open my shop on MMF and I urgently need a printer to print my masters. The one I have is too old for that. I don't care about the print speed or the size of the plate because I will publish very detailed 75mm miniatures only. I only care about quality and I have a budget of 500/600 euros. Which one do you recommend? From your videos I understand that the best is the Phrozen mini 8Ks... but the video is now 1 year old, so I'm not sure if your suggestions are still valid. Also, could you tell me from which link of your videos I should buy it? Thank you!

[@shirowfx]

Only 2 pins to heat the VAT? Then where does it have the sensor to maintain a constant temperature? Is this better or the GK3 with the same screen?

[@PersivanA]

Any temp sensor is just a wire with some resistance. Soooo, maaaaay be it's sensor and heater in one wire.

[@chaley2935]

It's a side grade upgrade for those currently with the S4U and it's a good one but from the looks of it only if you're not happy with you need heating or are unhappy with your current heating method. Otherwise if I was looking at buying Elegoo I'd probably wait to pull the trigger on the S5U.

[@skatman3278]

I had the Mars 5 Ultra and I had to send it back. I went through 3 build plates and their last attempt to "fix" the issue resulted in a screw being sheered off. The build quality was atrocious and I wouldn't touch anything Elegoo with a barge pole. The only saving grace IMO is that support was great.

[@Declopse]

We need a handle or an automatic lid open sensor to open the lid and true auto leveling sensor. Still don't get why these printers don't have a handle.

[@matthewduepner1811]

Would the new or the old machine be better for a Jeweler? It seems like the higher resolution screen doesn't actually achieve finer details and I might just be better off getting the original model and adding a heater and a light myself

[@genemaster74]

G'day Mr Hammer...... I watched and took note on your hectic last 1/4 vids of 2024, and due to $$ limits from my disability support, i went with the Mars 5. A.. i wanted to downsize from my Whale 2, and B.... the extra Mechanisms for the Ultra im still not comfortable with. And Lastly the Stock Mars 5 has a true 4K screen compared to my Whale 2 "4K" from 2022. As of this comment im making my little makerspace into an Elegoo only zone. Im sick of having one of this and 1 of that . Big Cheers on this Update to your last review, From A M8 Downunder🙃

[@grimall00]

Is there any timeframe yet for the saturn 5? I bought mars 5ultra. As my first printer and now i want to buy a bigger one. Was looking at the saturn 4 ultra. But wasnt sure if I should wait on a possible s5 ultra release

[@Botanical4038]

probably a year+ away

[@chemistrybro_]

bought my 2nd S4U about a week before the 16k version was announced annoyingly haha, OR would have waited for this one - wana get a M7 max next tho for the size

[@Frostfly]

I'm baffled by the desire for a phone app, If I'm not at home where I can either check the progress on my PC , or just look at the printer, It's not like knowing the status of my print is useful information. I can't fix the problem. I'm not near my printer to change anything. Maybe I just don't print enough things that take 12 hours. the majority of my prints are under 3 hours(a lot under one). Or I don't have much of a life (possible) I did buy the previous printer based on your review, I built a forced air heater for it so I can control the temps. I agree with you on it and likely on this one.

[@KryaDiere]

You can't fix it, but you can remote stop it so it stops wasting resin or burning images into your fep lol. I don't own a resin printer with an app, but I do have the bambu handy app. I've stopped 3 failed prints while I was out so it stops growing a spagetti monster. Also a silly thing that I've ended up doing multiple times: sometimes I go to bed and I forgot to turn the lights off in my bambu, I turn it off from the app while in bed. LOL

[@Frostfly]

@@KryaDiere but the amount of resin you lose from a failed print is almost all from the clean up process, I waste FAR more resin cleaning out the vat then from the little bits of resin cured on the bottom. FDM machines work very differently. and can not only waste a lot of material, but are a fire hazard.

[@wombora]

Instead of a Silicon tray i use the Ikea Baggmuck, its thier Shoe dirt tray, costs about 5 EUR fits nice under the buildplate

[@arquit3d]

Do you think this machine would replace your 2024 choice as the best printer? (If it had been released in 2024 of course)

[@richardmullens4707]

Please can you update your Fauxhammer website for the Dungeons and Dragons Partwork?

[@bencops]

I’ve just replaced the screen on my mars 4 and that was not a consumer acceptable activity - and cost me a couple of months of downtime. Also screen replacement cost is a factor

[@realaurorabanshee]

Yup, further to my long list of desired features to tempt me back into resin printing I posted on one of your recent videos - this comes bloomin' close. But the tear down to screen replace coupled with the stupid waffle build plate means it's still a "no" from me. Fingers cross for the next gen of Elegoo.

[@mikelucraft]

Use a spring washer for the bottom one of the two? Also, does the temp increase in an enclosure?

[@FauxHammer]

the temp will increase to it;ls set value, if that warms the chamber, the heater just won;t come back on until it senses a drop

[@mikelucraft]

@@FauxHammer Hi Ross, i have my mage pro in a Sunlu enclosure and a brewing band, but if the front is zipped up the temp can creep up to near 40 just with the heat build up, the brewing band being set on 28 on a high low thermostat but added heat from the machine itself. :o)

[@FauxHammer]

@@mikelucraft right, yeah the machine itself generates heat and if it;s in an eclosure with little room for that heat to escape, then yeah, there's no way to control it. the issue you have is that the printers themselves have no, "pause and cool" function. so if your printer's CPU is hot and there's not enough ventilation for that heat to escape, it will just keep getting hotter. your thermal belt will shut off when it;s reached the required temp. but that;s not going to stop the printer. and it;s not even just the printer cpu, it;s the lightsource and the curing of resin also generates heat

[@sur-ronrides]

what light did ya use

[@kennymorris6470]

Where can I buy the files to all those sweet minis?

[@sixtogarcia1314]

Not being able to do a true manual build plate leveling is keeping me from pulling the trigger on this product. I dont understand this setup. Im hoping they create a revision of the build plate that is like the saturn 3 ultra.

[@FauxHammer]

You can do a manual levelling now though?

[@sixtogarcia1314]

@@FauxHammer Are you saying a true manual leveling can now be done? Ive heard this was gimmicky and was not a true manual level. It was a manual checking of level as i understood it. If you can verify with 100% certainty that this can be leveled manually I will order it on the spot. I do appreciate your channel and i trust your reviews. Thankyou.

[@brian07900]

I still dont see any great advantage over the S3 12k, other than the heater.

[@aaronrayment7941]

Real question is are they gonna sell an upgrade kit so people that bought the original ultra 4 don’t have to go buy another unit

[@flagoon]

Heating, for me, is very imortant. I tried 'home made' chamber heaters, fermentation belts etc. They work, but I'd like to have something as easy as GTKTwo or Elegoo S4U 16K, but one is too expensive and second has other issues. I was really excited for it, but the quality issue and chaning the screen put me off.

[@tumama001]

What is the advantage of a silicone tray instead of a regular plastic tray?

[@iPrint3D]

Probably cleans easier

[@joelbanks8868]

One thing I don't understand about sla leveling, I've only ever leveled my printer once and it prints the same every-time, if we only need to level it once why is auto vs manual leveling such a big deal, especially if they're sacrificing QoL for the 2 tiered plate for auto leveling.

[@highrise9559]

I have two Ultra 3's and one Ultra 4 (non-16K). I prefer working with my Ultra 3's though all of them print almost identically. The acto of removing the plate off the printer is annoying because I am always worried about dripping down into the machine, even when putting a tray underneath the print before moving it.

[@tynabrenner6203]

have you used kexcelled molegrid texture resin , i cant find any real info about it

[@gravballemandendk]

ok so it prints in the cold, but it does it make lines in the print by the heater? gk3 ultra heater is making lines in prints (and thats on top of the other lines in prints problems )

[@joelbanks8868]

So from my understanding the photon m7 max and saturn 4 ultra 16k are about equal because what one excels in the other doesn't. photon m7 max: it just works and isn't a nightmare to work with/maintain consumables, but is slower if you value quality over speed. -truly plug n play -easy to maintain -large build volume saturn 4 ultra 16k: has a list of QoL improvements that they're neglecting, is fast and prints high quality albeit about the same quality as it's predecessor after jumping through some hoops. -fast print speed -high quality prints -exposure test built into the printer itself

[@lordofhyphens]

11:10 going to say "app access" is a security nightmare and basically planned obsolescence as a feature. Something to consider amongst other trade-offs.

[@FauxHammer]

What do you mean in regard to planned obsolescence? How do? Do you mean when the brand abandon that model?

[@alarak7526]

Would you recommend this over the 12K version, or save the 100 bucks and find a way to heat it yourself. I live in a location where the temperature can be cold and inconsistent.

[@Athiril]

You're gonna spend money and frustration on heating it yourself. Heating the vat keeps the resin warm itself.

[@alarak7526]

True.

[@98BTR]

Saturn 4 3/4 Ultra

[@suddskys7482]

Soo. Witch of Saturn 4 ultra, 16k mars 5 ultra and anycubic M7 have the best details on the prints? Still haven't decided yet.

[@noname8121]

I love the Saturn 4 ultra however I broke my first one trying replace the lcd screen I see no reason why u need take the damn thing apart luckily it's only the ribbon cable connector which any computer guy can repair. I brought a new one no issues whatsoever. If I remember there's some ports that look like there for the heater system so might see a conversion kit the 4 ultra. I have very little complaints the printer other than the life span of the LCD screen being 2000 hours they need make a longer lasting one an make it way easier to get the screen put without taking the thing apart. Maybe a locking system that holds the screen in place u flip a few claps an remove it out the front. I don't see the need of tape an glue. Like a 2 plate system sandwiching the LCD screen in place. With claps or screws in place with tape over the top. That way all u need to do is take the back panel off disconnect the screen an pull it off. Remember idiots like me need to be able to do it without breaking it

[@JrodsRabbitry]

It seems the majority of people do think that K is the most important thing. I don't know if it is the printer companies fault for making people believe this or the printing company are just capitalizing on what people believe but i've had too many conversations with people who refuse to believe you can get prints just as nice from an 8 or 10k printer as you can from a 16k with a crap light source. While I like the addition of the heated vat I still can't purchase one of these due to the silly build plate and hassle of replacing the lcd

[@smotedown318]

maybe this isn't the best place to ask, but I'm looking to get a resin printer to do scale model customization 1/16 1/32 1/64 stuff like that. I/m still doing research but what are the best plug and play brands/models? willing to spend 500-600 for a good one. Thanks

[@jfpryde]

Is anti aliasing still a problem with these machines?

[@FauxHammer]

No, it was only in the basic models, not the ultras. You can enable it here

[@hdffjfhsdlfh]

what lifetime can we expect from the screen? Does anybody know?

[@LexOneGTPS]

Funny and equally not funny enough today I had to replace replace my Saturn ultra 4 screen and for some reason had no recollection of having to disassemble the entire printer to get to the screen. I’ve been Printing for about a year and a half now and have had to replace screens on my GK2 and my Jupiter, and none of them were as laborious and tedious as this I found myself being really angry and saying I did not sign up for all of this work. As I was reassembling the machine I thought to myself I wonder if the new 16 K version would be any different or if elegoo would have addressed the problem. I guess not . I’m skipping this one.

[@firedeveloper]

We don't need an app, especially that "everyone else has it" is not a reason to add it. We need presure sensors to avoid compression on first layers! Quality >>> Gimmicks

[@FauxHammer]

Yeah fair. Honestly though. I like that Elegoo and Anycubic do different things. More choice. If they both did the same. We’d be having very petty arguments

[@bluwlvrine]

An app is not a gimmick lol. It would be incredibly useful.

[@knightstufftv]

I'm torn between this printer and the GK3 Pro. Help a brother out?

[@FauxHammer]

This for out if the box ease. gk for longevity, just the process of replacing the lcd is so much easier on those.

[@AemJaY]

great and i got my ultra 4 more or less 2 months ago 🙄🤣

[@YBDias]

My first 3D printer was an Ender 2 (max or pro, I don't remember the nomenclature), and ruined it and had to swap it's motherboard, couldn't make it work ever since. Point is, I'm not the *best* tinkerer (even if I like to do it sometimes), and thus, the screen being a full tear down is a huge problem for me, it almost made me not want to buy, and the only reason I'm going to is because the speed actually impacts how I'm going to use it. If there was another machine with similar speed/quality, I'd go for that and not look back.