The Biggest Flaws in Alex O'Connor’s Atheist Arguments

[@Thecommentlab]

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[@nofstarr]

cant put debunked in ur video if u didnt do much

[@oritemeit8815]

Icl bro you lack logic and rationality if you disagree with oconnor

[@nuttychuma]

But what was the reason for killing the animals then?

[@Thecommentlab]

I'm not certain of that.

[@LMak1989]

A god that is governed by the rules of a time period or the rules made up by people is pathetic and weak and definitely not almighty

[@MadogWarrior]

​@@LMak1989 read Leviticus 20:15 I believe perhaps this was one of the possible reasons

[@WARP1G27]

​@@LMak1989 If anything, the argument suggests that God is not actually real but rather a concept manufactured by people to promote a specific way of thinking and shape behavior in favor of the religious groups, in this case, Christians.

[@charlottemills8610]

⁠@@LMak1989I agree. How the “best course of action” could be the total annihilation of men, women, children and animals is beyond me. Further away from sense also is describing the events as good. I think it is more likely that Gods command here was fabricated to allow this genocide as it was possibly the best course of action, by that meaning most effective not best because it was good.

[@nofstarr]

humans describing what they think God is like is always funny to me

[@snaptrap5558]

If your God isn't capable of coming up with a better solution than what everyone else did, or couldn't come up with a solution that was in-line with his own moral framework...then of what use is your god?

[@NkosinathiMudau-bt1wk]

As a Christian myself, I'd say you didn't actually answer what the flaws were on O'Connor's debate. To actual answer his question, you first need to distinguish between what is good and what is moral. Good will always remain good regardless of time, however moral changes as the world itself evolves.

[@archieaziz7999]

if you quoting bordan p jeterson then i think its over

[@Thecommentlab]

😂 I see what you did there. It’s a way of thinking-maybe it’s right, maybe it’s wrong-but it’s a pattern that makes sense to me.

[@waynerooney8278]

I disagree with your perspective. You say “at that time, that was the best course of action.” Does that mean God is constrained by time? Does it mean God’s morality evolves with man? There is no point in time where genocide is morally virtuous action.

[@Thecommentlab]

It doesn’t mean that God is constrained by time; it means that our understanding of God is constrained by time. If God truly knows everything, the only way He can communicate with us is at our level of understanding, and that transforms with time. Think about it like a father communicating with his child-no matter what the father says, the child will understand it in a way that aligns with their level of comprehension. The father’s knowledge doesn’t change, but his way of explaining things adapts to what the child can grasp. That’s what I think.

[@carlosvasquez6054]

@@Thecommentlabseems like ur putting your faith in the unknown not much of a debunk video lmao

[@waynerooney8278]

@ Our level of understanding is exactly what God allows it to be. He could have given us a better understanding of civility thousands of years ago, but chose instead to command genocide. The analogy with the father doesn’t work because the father isn’t in control of the way the child develops mentally, whereas God is.

[@appleseedgames6934]

You can't just say "I don't know why God would do something so immoral and disgusting but because I've applied my own definition onto this unknown entity that it is the concept of 'pure good' then anything this unknown entity does no matter how disgusting or vile or immoral then it must be somehow good"... Doesn't work that way mate. But you can do better than that, you can definitely come up with a better explanation as to why God would do something so evil, you just gotta keep trying to think of it, keep trying

[@uuabbit]

your logic starts at the finish line and walks backwards, you're saying that this clearly terrible thing must be good because god is good and therefore anything he wills to happen must be good. you're assuming to already know the truth: that god is good, then using that as a way to rationalise everything you think, see, hear, and understand. if this is the biggest flaw you can poke out of everything brought up in the whole video, i think you should consider why you don't have more to say. also you really shouldn't use anything jordan peterson says to frame any point you ever make, instant loss of credibility. please keep your mind open, take care.

[@808pierce]

You seem to touch on a new concept I've been toying with which is that the term God is an ideal reflection of our own belief systems, dependent on our cultural values and is not an independent being in the sky. So the phrase "God says that X is good." means "Our best understanding of what we believe is good says that X is good." This fits exactly with your analysis that the best conception of good that the people of the time supported ideologies that today we wouldn't agree with. Looking at God in this way seems to solve a ton of contradictions that come up. Great work on the video. Love the production value. Looking forward to seeing more. Keep it up :)

[@Thecommentlab]

Thanks

[@lirich0]

Yikes. Your argument is just moral relativism. Who’s the moral relativist now?

[@EnricoFantini]

It's 2025, grow up and stop believing in silly fairytales.

[@pnarf]

Talking about the "best course of action", you can't just take a one sided perspective as you do. If you define god as the ultimate good, then this god would not take sides and only see the good from the perspective of a single group of people. If a god is the ultimate good, then regardless of the times, it should be able to give instructions on how to do the most good in any situation from a holistic perspective, not from a certain group's perspective. Why did god not command the "evil" people to be good? Does god not have any power? Oh yea, free will..... Why does god command things and give instructions if god is concerned with us having free will? Why does god want to tilt the scale? Seems unjust. The fact that I, and many others, can imagine a god that is way better than the one in the bible should tell you that the bible is not inspired, nor written, by any god that is ultimately good. No "holy" book seems to be written by anything holy. It is written by people, and people have flaws, and that's whay there are so many flaws in religious books. There is no "we can't always understand god's plan" argument. If god was good, and also had ultimate power and wisdom, then it would surely be able to convey complex ideas to us in a way that we'd understand. Unless god is not good and don't want us to fully understand. Or we can just apply the Occam's razor principle and conclude that there is not god, at least not one that is worthy of being called a god.