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[@YaBoyRockLee]

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[@badpope]

Season 2 is gonna be off the chain. Can’t wait!!!

[@jubilantsleep]

I love how everyone yells at the Firefly guy for not covering baby Ellie’s ears 😂 “You had one job!!”

[@YaBoyRockLee]

😂😂😂

[@LightofJoshua]

My wife and I said the same thing! We just had a baby in January and we’re like come on that noise would definitely scare and startle a newborn

[@scienceandponies]

​@⚜️iamagodcomplex⚜️ Probably damage hearing too. It's bad enough for full grown adults. Babies probably have fragile ear drums.

[@subhagnikpatgiri1919]

eggjacklee. Wouldn't have made much of a difference because gun shots are very loud. Probably should've taken the baby outside the house

[@emmanuelu]

Realistically tho how the hell is he suppose to cover the babies ear while carrying her.

[@TYfariguy]

Ellie giving birth to Ellie is such a wild concept to grasp 😂

[@gabrielskillzz3063]

Ellie multiverse

[@ktmsnoop]

Ellieception

[@pedromarques2077]

Best moment: Seeing Ashley Johnson, the OG Ellie and saying "They did a great a casting, she looks a lot like Ellie". 🤣 Oh, and for next season, what the show has in store for you is pain, lots and lots of pain.

[@p-forest]

Which makes it extra hilarious some gamers were moaning about how Bella didn't look enough like the game character. Showrunners must have been thinking "Wait until the finale mf'ers!'

[@CanzHR]

The woman pregnant with Ellie is the VA for Ellie in the games

[@VBane]

And also Pike from Vox Machina.

[@KhepriProductions2022]

Pretty funny giving birth to yourself!

[@pedromarques2077]

Not just voice actor, she did all the motion capture for Ellie as well.

[@oberon9015]

Crazy that the VA and live action actor turned out to look so much alike.

[@CanzHR]

@@pedromarques2077 yup

[@MrPurpleYam]

I think Marlene knows Joel as the man who gets the job done no matter what. She has no idea that Joel and Ellie developed a father/daughter relationship.

[@d3l3tes00n]

It still seems so odd to me. Even if she didn't think that, she should know being hostile would make a guy like Joel lash out. Unless Marlene wasn't a given a choice by higher ups..

[@demopem]

@@d3l3tes00n Yes. Marlene is actually incompetent (as are the few remaining Fireflies grunts). She's been making bad decisions and failing at every step up to this point.

[@SPINNINNZEN]

Y’all have to remember. Marlene knows Joel thought of Ellie as cargo. He didn’t even want to take her. So it makes sense where they kept him. In her mind she was like ok he’ll wake up. I will pay him and he will ride out. That’s why she’s not really making smart choices. Even just kicking him to the curb she’s just thinking ok so maybe now he has a problem cuz she’s a kid but in the end he’s gonna pick his own survival over anything or anyone except maybe Tess and Ellie isn’t Tess. Great react vid as always Can’t wait for y’all to see where it goes from here.

[@SubzeroBlack68]

He is also known for doing some fucked up shit in the past. Trading a single life for the cure to save the world isn't even questionable choice.

[@marmichaud]

Well. people forgot that Marlene is not a killer like Joel. She try to recreate civilisation. She don't think like Joel and kill anybody just for fun or fear.

[@marmichaud]

@@d3l3tes00n Joel kills for fear of retribution (or he just don't care) Marlene have a purpose; Elie had one but Joel just want to replace his daughter. People who see anything good in Joel are blind. He,s like hyper religious parent who spread lie about the world to keep his kids near them forever.

[@marmichaud]

@@d3l3tes00n Well yes both made bad choice. But only Marlene made the pragmatic one. Therefore logical and productive. But well that,s why LoU is a great story. We can argue for years.

[@marmichaud]

@@d3l3tes00n i understand. But the consent is the 3rd wheel here. The better choice was clearly to just wait Ellie to wake up and give her consent -which she might give, for waht her last word imply -. But even then. Joel might have argue that a 14y old having just survive a rape attempt may not be able to makes that decision for herself too.

[@sandragorman8688]

i don't think Marlene knew Joel's history. I think she thought he would roll up and deman a car battery, which was the deal. She didn't expect him to turn into a dad.

[@KhepriProductions2022]

I'm surprised that the original deal was never brought up or how Marlene somehow knew that Joel knew about Ellie's immunity, but I guess that exchange would be pointless for us since we know everything.

[@raylenerobin]

​@@KhepriProductions2022 marlene is smart enough to understand that joel and ellie were travelling for months together and that developed a bond more than a car battery or a truck.

[@summonshiva7283]

@@raylenerobin yup, especially when he immediately asked to see her when he woke up, the old unattached Joel wouldn’t have reacted that way

[@heresywithana]

23:33 I just realized now, the reason that Joel even thought of that was because of Sarah, he probably thought of all the ways he could have saved her, and this was one of them.

[@andythierry5402]

Well Ellie would not have been his daughter in law considering Sarah would have been 34 by the time they met 😅 I thought the same thing until I realized "oh wait she was 14 in 2003"

[@lanagievski1540]

Joel was just the courier, Marlene has no idea of the relationship they’ve built. As far as she’s concerned, he’s just a cold dude doing a job.

[@jubilantsleep]

Ashley Johnson thinks Bella Ramsey resembles her a lot so it’s fitting that Bella plays Ellie in the show. ❤

[@Erimentos101]

Y'all have had the most rational reaction to this episode that I've seen. No one was in the right, and ultimately everyone involved removed Ellie's choice. Great reaction! Found you from your Vox Machina reactions and def here to stay!

[@YaBoyRockLee]

Thank you. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@OhyeahMrKrabz]

Joel showing off his badassery going off on the fireflies was like a beatiful montage it was erie

[@to0muchtoan]

Ngl if that was my child (birth or adopted), they better kill me and make sure I'm dead dead cause aint nobody gonna sacrifice them.

[@mehlev]

To Marlene, Joel is a cold as ice bastard who cares about nothing and no one. She wouldn't expect him to come back for Ellie.

[@idek9702]

I feel like the Firefly guards did know who they were cuz if they didn’t they would’ve just killed them but they didn’t, so I feel like Marleen just told them to make them pass out so Ellie wouldn’t have a choice because giving her a choice would be too risky and if she said “no” they would still do it anyways but feel terrible abt it so they just didn’t ask to clear their conscience abt killing a little girl who was not a willing participant, even tho u could argue what they did instead was worse

[@jonathanmasilela1569]

Director talking about Ellie's bd got me facepalming, she's quiet because of the trauma of ep 8 that's all there needs to be.

[@theeLonelyRedPanda]

i saw this in roshi's channel but ellie is essentially the origin story for blade aka him becoming a day walker played out exactly the same way, mother got infected and the "disease" carried over

[@valen2040]

This episode should also be titled 'Why informed consent is an important law.'

"They did great in casting, she looks a lot like Ellie" thats because she is "the" Ellie! XD

[@codegerman71]

23:50 Bruh, even when on the ground bleedin, begging for life “she thick.” 💀 The lack of shame is impressively funny

[@YaBoyRockLee]

😂🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@katieb.024]

I’ve been putting off watching this because I know it’s the last one for awhile, but I’m here now. I couldn’t wait anymore😂 As always, I’m excited for the reaction, and i love y’all ❤️

[@YaBoyRockLee]

Welcome back!

[@katieb.024]

@@YaBoyRockLee thank you!! I always love to be here🥰

[@Venom_1462]

5:24 Funfact: that was Ashley Johnson, who did the performance capture for Ellie in the game

[@shaharadegan9993]

I was so conflicted over this episode. Thank you for easing my mind❤😊 Great reactions😊

[@junkotamiya]

There are people who know that Joel did to the Fireflies. He did not kill 2 of the nurses.

[@LegitLord2000]

They shot the Giraffe scene inside a zoo, his name is Nabo hehe. Also u won’t know who Abby is yet, but the actor that played her in Last of Us 2 was one of the nurses at the end

[@micahbanks4324]

5:50 i said oh jesus.. out loud LMFAOOOOOOOO

[@kyng_spade]

23:59 Joel got that Cobra Kai mentality *"No* *Mercy"*

[@RunningTogether]

It definitely was not 100% certain that the cure would be made. It was a Hail Mary idea that they hope will work but don’t know. In the game it’s very clear that they don’t really know what’s happening with Ellie and are just guessing at what it might be. It’s less clear here but still definitely not a sure thing.

[@IndomitableAde]

Given everything we as lay people now know about pandemics and vaccines, it's unlikely one doctor would have single-handedly developed a working vaccine from Ellie, and even if he had, the means of mass production and distribution don't exist in the world they live in. If I'm Joel I'm considering these factors and probably doing the same thing.

[@vash7514]

​​@@IndomitableAdeoel would the same even if the vaccine would be sure at 100%... that is not the point... He did a father's choice... Maybe every parents would the same.. But the fact is that he condemned humanity to hell, and maybe to extinction

[@RKIVESMONO]

omg y'all the rest of the glory episodes are out!! looking forward to your reaction!!

[@KhepriProductions2022]

"She looks like Ellie, she sounds like Ellie!" HAHAHAHA

[@YaBoyRockLee]

Lmao

[@gobtathegoat6241]

The way the show ended is exactly the same in the game... And that's what I love about it. The lines and even the emotions in the game are accurate. After the first game we also have the same question, "What now!?" but when the part 2 came out, it was such a shock. For gamers and even non-gamers like me. But I tell you, the next season is gonna be great and its gonna blow your mind🤯😂

[@marmichaud]

The end of part 1 was quite powerful; we knew that it was just a bad ending like any other characters arc in the game. It was make it so great at the moment.

[@jayoartz]

23:43 Joel didn’t have a weapon on him at that time, it was Tommy with the rifle.

[@bernardsalvatore1929]

I have not played the game so there's a couple of things that I think about here that maybe will be revealed next season!! One thing is remember the conversation that Marlene had with Ellie when Ellie was still in captivity, it was either episode one or two and we don't get to hear what Marlene tells Ellie that she says can never be repeated to anyone!! Perhaps it was that bit of information that has Marlene convinced that Ellie would have no problem sacrificing herself!! We don't know what that information was, what kind of led to believe that it was only the fact that she's immune!! But maybe she was actually telling her what is going to happen when they finally do try to get the cure!! It's really hard not to side with Joel and what he did to get Ellie safe again!! Let's remember that he just spent the last couple of days at least trying to break down Ellie's trauma wall and really talking more than Joel has talked throughout the entire series!! And then when Ellie says "when this is all over I'll follow you anywhere you go!!" That's certainly implies that Ellie felt she would survive helping humanity and go on to live her life!! So then when Joel is faced with the fact that they are going to kill Ellie and he will never see her again and he will lose another "daughter", he basically goes John wick and I would have done exactly the same thing if I could! Of course I am not as bad ass as Joel 😁

[@Erimentos101]

I'm pretty sure the "information" was Ellie's immunity. It was set up as a secret to make the reveal at the end of the episode more surprising for the audience

[@emmanuelu]

23:35 Joel didnt have a gun with him back then with sarah

[@frederickmiles8815]

Joel reminds me of the old NCO's I knew in the Army when I first joined up back in the day.

[@02michellemybell02]

The mom of ellie is the same voice actress for the game the last of us pt 1 . Also the actress who played Marlene is the same voice as the one in the game the kats of us pt 1.

[@IndomitableAde]

Ashley Johnson, the voice and mocap for Ellie is also Pike from Vox Machina.

[@sofrencia8403]

In my game, no one left that hospital, i didn't wanna risk leaving someone to tell about Ellie...

[@bigpoppa3999]

How did that work out for Joel?

[@jubilantsleep]

@@bigpoppa3999 let’s ask Abby

[@sofrencia8403]

@@bigpoppa3999 yeah, that's why I returned the game...

[@eliana8834]

@@jubilantsleep LMAOOOOO BRO 💀💀💀

[@ENavR]

"how do they continue the show?" oh y'all not ready. If they follow the LOU2 story, HBO's about to play yo-yo with your souls. It's gonna be awesome!

[@JohnLoKie]

All they had to do is lock him up. At least try to save some lives. You guys are some of the only ones to question the fireflies this much though so thank you. As a whole, they acted with almost no intelligence. Joel was wrong but it also wasn't entirely his fault. They literally opened every door for him and then provoked him to start his rampage. Also in terms of the show being rich, the game was definitely better. Spending so much time with Joel and Ellie just walking around was ultimately a mistake. My dad fell asleep during these moments lol

[@proteuseffects]

I would've thought one of you would've said something about Joel leaving the surgeon's assistants alive, I haven't seen any other reactors mention it meanwhile I was yelling at my screen. If you're going to commit mass murder and lie about it you do not leave witnesses. I bet it will bite Joel in the ass in season 2

[@nightmaredropper]

Anna (Ellies mom) the actor is Ashley Johnson who is the actor who played Ellie In the game :)

[@EvanSaltare]

Surgeons have been going in on Marlene's plan on Reddit since the episode aired. Apparently a spinal tap could've been an option to keep her alive but get what they needed. The game goes into it a little more that they at least ran some tests and did scans. The outcome was ultimately the same though.

[@DariusFrench6273]

Talk about a morally ambiguous ending. On one hand, I get it. Humanity took away what mattered most to Joel and after finding something that close in Ellie again, he wasn't going to let it happen again. I don't know what it's like to be a a father but I would like that someday and having to put myself in Joel's shoes, I'd probably do the same? Not to mention, the Fireflies weren’t giving her much of a choice in the matter. But then again, neither was Joel. It was still a…..selflessly selfish choice that not only doomed the entire world but robbed Ellie of whatever hope she had left for it as well as the choice to choose. It might be refreshing to some people, seeing them finally be together in this "new beginning" but keep this in mind: it's based on a lie.

[@kotabear6556]

So can you honestly say that even if they gave Ellie a choice if she said no.. and you were a firefly and the one chance to save everyone was just about to hop skip back to the mountains and probably die and never be able to save the shit world you are stuck in would you just let her go? I honestly cant say myself what I'd do. I Feel the reason it's hard for us is because we are invested in this character. Which I think is why this is peak story telling. It shows you just how much good and bad someone can be made to do for love. A lot of people like to think that love is pure good but both villains and heroes actions can be justified by love. And this particularly is a parents love. The same mother who lied about cutting the cord before being bit loved just as hard as the best friend willing to sacrifice practically her niece for the greater good as well as the adopted step father willing to slaughter an entire armed outpost and doctors trying to save the world.. and love is the root of it all.

[@nilodeguzmanjr.8164]

I just watched the Heavy spoiler about Joel is right or wrong. Hard to say

[@DariusFrench6273]

@@kotabear6556 I did say probably so even in that regard, I’m not exactly sure. I literally had a conversation with my mom about this ending and she seemed to be squarely on Joel’s side. But is it really about picking a side.

[@Crimsontiger133]

lol the continuation of the story without spoilers is basically think the opposite of saving humanity. Also yeah I wanted more infected as well. I think some parts of the story that had infected should have been in the show but it was still really well done.

[@emmanuelu]

21:05 ngl, I was expecting adorkable to support killing ellie to try and get the cure.

[@viktorstagnetti7491]

Marlene fucked up by leaving Joel alive and Joel fucked up by leaving witnesses (nurses). I'm sure that everything is fine and nothing will come from it.

[@Blevins15]

Think it was great casting Ashley Johnson as Ellie's mom this time around - but I think it would have been cool to cast her as Ellie again for season 2. Since she still looks young and her and Bella Ramsey look like they could be related already.

[@gigachad3925]

Honestly I think they can make Bella Ramsey work fine for part II. You have to realize that even considering her youngish appearance, they still needed to implement some significant measures to make sure she could play a 14 year old. From the makeup to making her wear a binder, they did a lot, so it’s safe to say that removing those measures will noticeably age her up.

[@emmanuelu]

Realistically though I’m trying to figure out how old boy could cover Ellie’s eyes while carry her

[@YuNotSteppin]

Ellie’s Revenge is gonna be wild in season 2

[@kevjohn2006]

I wouldn't comment... but the ALGORITHM!!!! She's the voice of EVERYTHING! (who to we bring...) EVERYONE!!!!

[@TheThreeHeadedDragon]

Ellie's mom was played by Ashley Johnson who played Ellie in the games.

[@souk4507]

giraffe name is Nabo

[@KhepriProductions2022]

Well the game does have more action. You should check it out when you get the chance.

[@BiggySn1p3r]

Ashley Johnson aka OG Ellie aka Pike Trickfoot

[@LadyNinjaGaming]

It doesn't matter if Joel made the right or wrong choice, I said this when I played this game. The vaccine could have worked or not, Ellie would've died for nothing or not. Humans were still gonna be assholes whether they had the cure or not. It probably would've made them even worse, especially the ones holding the vaccine if it was a working one. Humans would have not changed, it would not have been all Kumbaja if everyone was cured, It really all depends on your personal perspective. The creators of the show even stated unconditional love although beautiful can be a very dangerous thing for anybody, it can make people do very wild things. Now season 2 is gonna split a lot of people like it did the game, I personally liked and enjoyed The Last of Us 2, its gonna have a lot of people who havent played the game saying WTF!!

[@Ledzgo504]

I definitely think Tommy told his wife about Ellie being infected. And once they get back to the commune there’s going to be a lot of tension. With Ellie not fully trusting Joel. Can’t wait to see where the final season goes.

[@lloydchan9606]

i am speechless

[@sukagitartapinggakjago5447]

it's funny they don't know that the cast for Ellie's mom in this movie is voice actor of ellie in the game 😅

[@haasgaming]

There's a good reason she sounds like Ellie! It is funny how show-Ellie killed game-Joel and is the daughter of game-Ellie.

[@iDrexcy]

I don’t agree with Joel lying to Ellie but I also don’t agree with the fireflies. They’re giving me Maze Runner vibes and they pose this question. Is it worth sacrificing kids for a chance to find a cure? Eventually kids will be born immune so I just think it’s better to leave them be. There’s no guarantee Ellie will be enough anyway so once they extract the samples from her, what’s stopping them from hunting down more kids and doing the same?

[@yurmexicanguy6128]

Yeah no, it's not her birthday

[@squidhimself9371]

Sarah would be in her mid thirties if she lived 😂 she wouldn’t have been hooking up with a 14 year old girl y’all

[@randycooper3428]

Just spoiled on part 2 plot today! 😡 The day after I watch the season finale! Soooo pissed. My biggest spoiler since I was spoiled on the 6th Sense. 😂

[@raylenerobin]

The journey will still be awesone

[@thorneyquins8780]

The ones you trust the most is the one who is gonna betray you..or something like that from episode 7... joel lied and ellie knew... oh man i dont want to see "again" on whats gonna happen on season 2...

[@dandeleons]

🔥

[@guilhermecoelho3216]

You should definetly check Chernobyl from the same director

[@Orangemushroom554]

Try The Walking dead(telltale games). It's basically story all the way like a tv show, there are dialogue choices and the gameplay is really short and simple

[@idek9702]

Joel was right in his decision even if he didn’t know it himself, the surgeons/doctors they were using were medical school dropouts and to this day there is no vaccine or cure to any type of fungal infection like Cordyceps, if we can’t do it whos to say a medical school dropout could, also even if they did make a cure they’d probably lose it or become stingy with it and only give it out to certain ppl, the Fireflies in the game were prone to overtaking a QZ then losing control pretty easily so u can’t really trust them. So knowing all if this I think Joel did what he needed to do, they were willing to kill their “only hope” that also happens to be a child over something that has no possibility of actually working 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@marmichaud]

It's so cringe when Joel talk about Sarah vs. Ellie at the end... It shows that he almost seeks "only" a replacement.

[@kotabear6556]

So it's hard to honestly say that even if they gave Ellie a choice if she said no.. and i were a firefly and the one chance to save everyone was just about to hop skip back to the mountains and probably die and never be able to save the shit world you are stuck in would any of us just let her go? I honestly cant say myself what I'd do. I Feel the reason it's hard for us is because we are invested in this character. Which I think is why this is peak story telling. It shows you just how much good and bad someone can be made to do for love. A lot of people like to think that love is pure good but both villains and heroes actions can be justified by love. And this particularly is a parents love. The same mother who lied about cutting the cord before being bit loved just as hard as the best friend willing to sacrifice practically her niece for the greater good as well as the adopted step father willing to slaughter an entire armed outpost and doctors trying to save the world.. and love is the root of it all.

[@TheEnlightenShadow]

You guys should play the game. I think a group reaction would be interesting and would give you guys the more action you were craving. A lot of the game was action so I guess they didn't want to oversaturate the show with repetitive action

[@blacprophet1153]

I have not played the game but I know one thing Joel is a killing machine! I also thought the episode was short! But I'm lost because if this is the end of their quest then the world will slowly die! Ellie is the one hope left in this world of darkness! Also the lady that played Ellie mother is she the voice actor for one of the characters in Vox Machina?! I also didn't understand why the doctors would go straight to killing Ellie! They don't know if that experiment will work and any sane doctor would never just kill Ellie she is too important!! I would think they would run test first but to kill her made no sense to me! Ellie is too important!! Good episode but I'm sure that Ellie knows that Joel is lying! I think the fire flys or the government will still come after Ellie because she is mankind's only hope!!

[@psblove]

Play the sequel game! You’ll see how crazy it is.

[@Grionlam]

one of you guys should play the game of this part which is The Last of Us part 1, the game has a lot of different stuffs and some different approach it definitely a new different experiences compared to the show. If you considering to play the game please stream it or just make a playthrough.

[@regulateboss-7828]

Krypton had its chance.

[@kaedoe2x]

Infected was a bigger problem than you think if you played the game then yk but it was way worse in the game they didnt really show much of it in the show they should have

[@prettywitty3025]

It's not one v many. It's one v a teeny tiny chance to maybe save many. Joel was right.

[@YaBoyRockLee]

Exactly

[@casss8605]

it never says in the show that it’s a small chance the cure will work, but we KNOW there’s a small chance ellie will even survive 10 more years. joel made the worst choice possible

[@YaBoyRockLee]

@@casss8605 thanks for sharing that opinion with is. I do respect your difference in thinking

[@thrummer1953]

@@casss8605 It DOES say in the show that the chance was small. Remember the Television program when the Expert said that a vaccine or Cure was impossible? Joel did Right.

[@casss8605]

@@thrummer1953 yeah, in the 60s it was impossible. the actual chances of getting a cure from ellie are never discussed at all

[@acekiller6239]

Guys I need u to play the game together if possible I think it would be fun 🙃

[@bigpoppa3999]

Man the amount mental gymnastics people use to justify Joel's decision is hilarious. Karma don't miss tho.

[@deboraharroyo3047]

All Marlene had to do was tell Ellie and Joel the truth but didn't, if she told Ellie the truth and wanted to sacrifice her self she would of told Joel but since that didn't happen Joel went on that killing spree. Also Joel didn't want to lose another child. The ending is the same as the game.

[@Dryltd]

They approached saving humanity all wrong. Step one stop Joel. They failed step one.

[@RavenStillBeguiling]

The fireflies and Joel are both wrong for depriving Ellie of a choice. It's her body, her life, she's the one who should get to decide. I can understand and sympathize with both Marlene and Joel's position but their selfishness was and will be their undoing.

[@DrStrange_177A]

My only problem was consent. If they had sat Elly down and told her the truth on what was going to happen then let her decide , then maybe. You can’t just gas a 14 years old kid and put her under even if it’s an apocalypse

[@ch1dd]

14 year olds also can't really give consent so now what

[@basicsimp8798]

After ten years, and as a fan of the Original game, I believe that even if Ellie does agree with it or give consent, Joel would still do what he did. Remember that heartwarming moment in the sequel before Joel died, he said "If the Lord would give me one more chance I would do it all again" he said this after learning that Ellie did want her life to matter, she wanted to go through with it. I mean, Ellie was going to do it regardless, and Joel knows this, that what he lied to her. It may seem like a touching moment but it's a hint that Joel didn't care what Ellie chose that day, he was leaving with her regardless of her choice because Joel is too consumed with his grief.

[@probablystoned]

i mean as shitty as it sounds, the whole world depended on it, it'd be more acceptable than you'd think.

[@DrStrange_177A]

@@ch1dd I know but it’s better something than nothing at all

[@ch1dd]

@@DrStrange_177A I guess, but then manipulation comes in. The only way out of this is to delay the surgery until she's old enough to decide, I think the fireflies were ironically blinded by the light they've been looking for, the entire decision is too rushed.

[@brunopupo3448]

What now? Well you'll see. hehe

[@kotabear6556]

Introducing The Trolly problem the game/show

[@thefatman2780]

CLICKITY CLACK WATCH YOUR BACK

[@Doflamingo757]

If it was ME that was going to be sacrificed then that's one thing. I could go out saving my daughter and the rest of the world as a bonus. But if it's my DAUGHTER that gets sacrificed... then sorry but the rest of the world can fend for itself.

[@timdagod]

i will let u guys know without spoiling season 2 has a completely different mission/goal it has nothing to do with finding a doctor or cure and the game expands on why marlene told joel the procedure would kill her and its bc she knows joel traveled across the country with her for months and got closer with her over time and if she was going to die he deserved to know about it.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

Fun fact: Ellie’s mom is played by Ashley Johnson, the original Ellie from the game. Cool how Game Ellie gave birth to Show Ellie. Joel has shown us all that he is Him. Mans was on demon time mowing people down in that hospital. He was so cold and efficient in killing all those people. Back before the game came out 50% of play testers hated the ending and thought Joel was a monster, whereas all of the testers with kids supported Joel’s decision. So happy that Naughty Dog stuck to their guns and didn’t change this ending to a safer, more morally feel good ending. People still discuss this ending to this day.

[@YTJRBC2]

yeah marlene didnt give her the chance, but Neither did Joel. Once Marlene asked to let Ellie decide, Joel Knew Ellie would have sacrificed herself so he still decided to make a choice for her. Yeah we dont know if it would have work but thats how science hypothesis go, Joel literally killed all hope.

[@blurrylinesx8039]

Medicine DOESN'T work with hypothesis that would kill their test patients tho, they work with trial and error and almost always animals are the ones tested first. The procedure they wanted to do on Ellie would for sure end her life and if they were wrong, that's it. That's was your only shot and humanity is fucked either way. There's a series of other options they could've exhausted and recurred to first: blood, bone marrow, tissue. You try everything before pulling the plug on a healthy inocent kid, and if thats the only way, you at least let her know what'sthe price for her life: saving everyone else. MEDICALLY, that would be the ethical thing to do. The world survived 20 years, it would survive for a few more weeks of tests and exams.

[@YTJRBC2]

@@blurrylinesx8039 you really think marlene is so badly written that they didnt already try blood and bone marrow well before deciding for barin surgery?

[@blurrylinesx8039]

@Julian Barragan Yes, I do actually, because even if she had taken samples of Ellie's blood and bone marrow in that simple house they were at back in Boston, those samples would never be viable for tests by the time they got to their prior base in Wyoming or the one they moved into, to their doctors that could actually run ALL the tests. They were fighting Joel for a shitty battery in episode 1, they simply didn't had the resources to transport those samples the correct way. And the short hours Joel was asleep after they knocked him out and got their hands on her definitely weren't enough for them to run any sort of conclusive tests.

[@oberon9015]

Highly doubt Marlene's doctors were just winging it. That said, I get your criticism from the season. Season 2 should hopefully wet your thirst for action.

[@basicsimp8798]

"The hardest of choices, requires the strongest of wills" I feel bad for Marlene. She made the hard decision, and despite Joel's rampage she still tried to reason with him instead of straight up just ending him and getting Ellie back. The chance of a cure isn't guaranteed but a chance is enough to risk it, plus it's what Ellie would have wanted, that's why SPOILER... she was angry with Joel in the sequel and that's why Joel hid the truth from her the entire time.

[@MrJoeshipley]

Should probably have asked her then

[@maybeitsyou1317]

@@MrJoeshipley Couldn't do that because what if she said no? Marlene would have to then kill a little girl against her will. Much easier to just do it and tell herself it's a "Mercy" that she doesn't know anything. Marlene a piece of shit honestly. She got what she deserved.

[@eliana8834]

@@MrJoeshipley Asked who? Ellie? She wouldn’t have gave af she wants to help humanity.

[@MrJoeshipley]

@@eliana8834 then let her say that, bodily autonomy is important.

[@eliana8834]

@@MrJoeshipley yeah it is, but look HIW THEY ARE LIVING 🤣 There is NO LAWS, No rules!!

[@daroe2340]

It’s crazy, having played the game, hearing Joel say “baby girl” last episode was nice and all, but it was the death knell of the human race.

[@blurrylinesx8039]

The fireflies were about to kill the one and only immune specimen in 20 years after their very first encounter with her based on a doctor's hunch. No exhausting other options first like blood, bone marrow or tissue, no studies just the sake of studying how the fungus behaves in her body and if they can replicate that...just stray up drugging her after the attack and taking her to surgery. If they were wrong (and they most likely were) and she died, they wouldn't be able to preserve her brain and body forever. Humanity was fucked either way if they were the ones responsible for the task of producing a vaccine

[@lunavioleta001]

What Joe did was just wrong. It is understandable, most of us would done the same thing if Ellie was our daughter, but it doesn't justify it. Other people have family, children, loves. Taking away their chance to have a normal life or their salvation is just wrong and selfish.

[@theeLonelyRedPanda]

I'd side with you, if they had been studying ellie for her entire life, that's 14 years of study. But running one test saying oh it's her brain we're gonna take everything her body has to offer, off jump is mad stupid. How tf you gonna go off rip, and just harvest everything that means you only have one batch, one chance that's mad. You need tests after tests, hypothesis after hypothesis and then testing your theories failing, starting over. BACK TO FORMULA OSBORN! like c'mon

[@lemarcash]

@@theeLonelyRedPanda yea u get it

[@lemarcash]

“Taking away their chance to have a normal life” is not guaranteed, all u have is what someone said without it being backed up whatsoever

[@lunavioleta001]

@@theeLonelyRedPanda This is a show. It's speeds run the information. It is NOT a mistake of the doctors in the story. It is a mistake of the pacing. It was the last episode, so they wouldn't have time to spend months in one hospital. They should of probably made the episode longer and do a jump cut. Also, Joe didn't stop them to "give them more time". He killed the doctor, who could of been very valuable. His reason had nothing do with what you said.

[@theeLonelyRedPanda]

@@lunavioleta001 i'm not saying joels reason this or reason that. the doctors are going off false hope. a false guarentee that her brain is an immediately cure that's why they were dead set on immediately doing the operation. they had no basis what so ever. so my point exactly they would've have to run extensive tests on power/power grid which would be running it's course in a huge city probably. And mariene however you spell her name fucked it all up, she just immediately sentenced ellie to death on a whim. doctors also sentenced ellie to death, by proceeding with surgery prep. on what by running what a single test? Yes episode should've been longer but that was under cut by marienes decision and then essentially throwing joel out, there was no give them no time bc joel himself wasn't given time aside from when they knocked him out to waking up and hearing oh yeah we're gonna kill ellie, she has to die, and harvest every bit of her, no you can't see/say good bye. kill him if he resists. like nah.

[@lunavioleta001]

People should not call what Joe did badass. It was violent, horrific, and sad. Calling it badass just misses the point. This isn't a Michael Bay or a dumb action movie where all the enemies are just random nameless thugs and the point is just flashy action.

[@YaBoyRockLee]

Joel is bad ass. Did everything to save Ellies life

[@oberon9015]

Nah it was pretty badass.

[@lunavioleta001]

@@YaBoyRockLee That doesn't make sense in context of the show. What he did was supposed to bring questions and conflicting emotions, not praises.

[@lunavioleta001]

@@oberon9015 I disagree. Calling it badass just ruins the tone and what they were going for.

[@YaBoyRockLee]

@@lunavioleta001 got both. I’m glad Ellie is alive

[@Spiky-gs3eg]

BTW he's a villain in this episode Joel is

[@thrummer1953]

Not at all.