One-Way Genie - Part 2 (Repairs)

[@kevinbyrne4538]

These Genie boom lifts will provide Ivan with lifetime employment.

[@duaneb193]

If it was a "new" or fairly new machine, I could see reason for concern with bypassing the joystick and board. However, on a machine that's over 15 years old and has been seriously used, it wouldn't be the first machine that I've ever used that was bypassed to make it work to save the massive expense of a new board. The phrase of making a silk purse from a sow's ear comes to mind - you work with what you have to find a solution, and I think you did excellent, Ivan.

[@billwasylenko1599]

Don’t Worry about what people say on here. Has any1 said anything bad about the repair in the comments? I’m curious. I’ll have to look. It doesn’t seem like u get discouraged at all. You have confidence in ur repairs and that’s what matters. Customer understands that u saved him thousands and u performed and understand ur repairs to the best of ur ability. That’s all that matters. Great Job Ivan! Please keep it up. I love it. And I enjoy seeing these types of repairs. As you always say “no parts required”. The best kind of repair in my book!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thanks for the kind words Bill :)

[@tharakanuwan9986]

Thats exactly what i did when a JLG S70 was out of control of steering both sides.I'm working in Saudi Arabia as a heavy mechanic for a construction company. It is finally good to see someone in USA is also following Toggle Switch + Relay combination to rig that sophisticated valve control.

[@porky7753]

Great job Ivan, your providing value to the customer because you have the aptitude and willingness to see the customer's side to save them money.

[@j-baz6454]

Ivan, loved the Matt's off-road recovery comment! I watch him too, lol. 🤘

[@duanenelson3202]

I love your ability to find a fix. So glad it worked out so well for them. My experience with a over 75 man operation. Any bush fix was always a problem. Some guys would refuse to use it. There got to be a scraped unit out there somewhere.

[@jccarnut]

NEVER re-engineer. Unless you own it. The indemnity paper was wise. Fixed is fixed. Well done sir !

[@williamhague2768]

Ivan. I’ve seen a lot of workarounds before but they are usually pretty shakey... This, what you’ve done here is really clever and not even one bit iffy. Very well done.

[@mikeaho4143]

Great job Ivan. I'd say for keeping the workers working you did the right thing.

[@robmut1357]

I hope you left a modified schematic with the Genie showing your changes in case someone else works on it. 😊👍

[@hatfez]

Nice work, Ivan. I'm sure the customer appreciates the time saved, as well as the money. But to be factual, you didn't "fix" it, you repaired it! Thanks for posting!

[@themechanic6117]

If the customer has options , 9/10 times they'll always go for the cheapest repair. Ive never heard " I want to fix it the most expensive way" . nice repair

[@AP9311]

Wow, Ivan. Not to bad on the repair! At least he signed a waiver absolve you of any liability issues. Plus he's happy with the Russian repair! I like it! Great job! Way to go!. Many many thumbs up!!

[@richardcranium5839]

ask any lawyer waivers aren't worth the paper they are written on.

[@notajp]

Yep, you can use that waiver for toilet paper. I worked for the county parks department several years ago. We had mountain biking trails, and all bikers had to sign a waiver before they could ride. The county attorney told us that those waivers weren’t worth the paper they were printed on, as they would not be considered a legally binding contract in a court of law. The signatures would have to be witnessed and notarized to have any chance of standing up in court....

[@billyr9840]

@@richardcranium5839 In US a waiver will be considered as not valid by any court if you are trying to give someone permission to break the law. One law that comes to mind is negelance. Ivan is a smart guy, but I'm not so sure how smart it is to be filming yourself performing this type of sub standard repair ! Even though you are required to where a safety harness that is attached to a anchor point in the basket, if someone were to be ejected out of the basket due to running over a obstacle such as a rock or curb or depression in the ground while moving that boom I would think the liability would fall squarely on the owner and Ivan. That scenario of being ejected out of the basket has happened many times in the past. That machine should of been completely overhauled or retired long ago. There are cables in that boom that extend/retract it that are supposed to be replaced and certified I believe every 10 years or the machine should not be in use. I will bet anything judging on the condition that this machine is in that they have not been replaced or certified. I know this because I been using this type of equipment for many years as a union carpenter.

[@leedress2187]

this is why the other genie you worked on had all kinds of extra switches and jumpers. when they make replacement boards too expensive, people start hot wiring their boom lifts.

[@kkpdk]

I like the final two-way momentary switch a lot more than the reverser+board solution; This way it won't sometimes operate the opposite way of the other lift, and there will be no conflict of muscle memory.

[@baxrok2.]

Amazing. Well done Ivan. Gotta say, I don't understand why the owner wouldn't replace the board given the importance of that equipment. Thanks!

[@notajp]

Not to mention the cost to replace that machine.....

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Well some customers are very penny-pinching...I don't mind as long as they pay my bill lol

[@baxrok2.]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics For sure Ivan. No blame here, you did what you were asked to do and you did it exceptionally well.

[@akhtarkh]

Customer's happiness is directly proportional to the amount you charged him for the repair.

[@seanapfelbach2436]

Ivan keep up the good work. If the customer wants to go cheap what can ya do? Fix to the best of your ability and go from there. You did nothing wrong. 👍

[@AJ-wj9ij]

Always good work my man love your video every time , people can put new parts and call a fix but I see you take extra mile to get it fixed (working) no matter what it take , good work sir

[@djb4069]

Ivan the genie back in the bottle, up and running , well done, !!!!

[@docoski5518]

And that’s how you keep a customer! Good job!

[@febbral]

Ivan, if the space shuttle needed a fix up there, I don`t think they would hesitate to improvise to get unit working again, when back on earth ,do proper repair.

[@amtpdb1]

When you get them stuck, put the boom on the other end of the unit and drive it out with the weight on the other end usually works. I have had many stuck!

[@jamesh6229]

"Pine hollow Genie boom lift diagnostics" Ivan says we don't really need those circuit boards to make this thing run 👍

[@arthurfricchione8119]

Well Ivan what a repair. Think you’ll be back? I think so. Probably after someone hits the building. Don’t let OSHA see that repair Lol. Ivan pulls another rabbit out of the hat. Stay well and safe and enjoy the holiday 😊

[@t5ruxlee210]

Production now is golden. Perfection later is ideal.

[@Frank-pv1hp]

The only people complaining about this fix is Genie, since they missed out on their crazy parts pricing. Good fix

[@kennethbode2017]

I'd hate to be the next guy to work on it. That guy better hope you stay around

[@billwasylenko1599]

No one else will work on those machines. The companies that come to the job site and try to fix those machines are rip offs. If it’s not a battery, starter, or fuel they have to get towed back to the shop, and that’s where they will really get u good. New board new battery, who knows what else. Guy would have had a $4500 repair on this one. He’s Lucky to have Ivan who actually fixes the equipment and is very reasonable.

[@ecaparts]

Great job, you saved another one from the garbage!!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

It's a constant battle on this construction site, trust me haha

[@mikesvirtualgarage9917]

Best quotes from the 1st diesel video and this one, "Russian repairs for Russian construction workers" and "Ooops!" Very interesting work on this one, Ivan. Nice job!

[@mikesvirtualgarage9917]

@Jason Bowman I kind of thought the same but totally laughed when Ivan said that. Hilarious :D

[@franksprecisionguesswork501]

Scotty: The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. Star Trek III: The Search For Spock. Why is it that modern engineering practices insist on over complicating the simplest things. What happened to the kiss principal? I can fix my 53-year-old jeep with a screwdriver and a hammer and a pair of pliers. It will undoubtedly last longer than anything that was built in the last 20 years and remain repairable for the next 200. Great video I’ve been I love the way you can make lemonade out of lemons. Keep on trucking and stay safe. Happy Thanksgiving!

[@jessicav2031]

From the components on that board, $1500 really seems like the "we have you over a barrel" price. It looked like maybe they also rubbed the numbers off the chips? (Almost as if they knew the price would tempt you to replace components...) You could probably still replace the driver though, should be possible to figure out the pinout and buy an IC with reasonable specs and the same footprint. Of course that would take more time than the 'russian repair' :D

[@real_arbuckle]

The yellow banana could use some Russian engineering.

[@gradpadave6604]

Pretty sharp I like it, save the guy a lot of money and it's up and running.

[@davesage9190]

Hmm. Maybe this is how, over time, the last Genie got all the custom wires and switches you had to remove :-) Do you leave documentation as to what you did so the next guy can put it back (if he wants)?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

haha well at least my mods are well-thought out and actually work as designed ;)

[@consaka1]

Just need to rewire the whole control panel so it doesn't need that darn control board.

[@stevenmurata4392]

No documentation means job security, lol. Nice fix. I do stuff like this on our farm (degree in EE). (10 days is a long time if job needs to be done)

[@GireshkumarGudala]

I like you are solution and your fault finding skills also good 👌👍

[@thomasandrews9355]

Probably could have rebuilt the board but funny enough I had the same solution in my head. I do board rebuilding for a living but sometimes simple is enough

[@123karlw]

Awesome fix. Thanks for sharing

[@llservice3376]

Welcome to the wonderful world of Hacking and I don't mean that in a bad way. No way a circuit board should be in a piece of equipment thats exposed to the weather all the time. Great work

[@SawmillerSmith]

Some people worry about everything and thinks everything has to be perfect.

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

We call them OSHA and they like to hand out thousands of dollars in fines. It seems to be a perfectly good alternative but if somebody goes the wrong direction and it leads to an injury, OSHA might not be so understanding.

[@SawmillerSmith]

@@tiredoldmechanic1791 most construction jobs most hire people qho are collecting disability or are undocumented. That way if the get hurt on the job they won't tell for fear of getting themselves in trouble.

[@hateercenor]

@Sam S More likely from an addiction treatment program.

[@rusty6666]

Wow i think you did well on that thing and bravo its working good and the customer is happy and thats what counts the most so i must say you did good once again and you know your stuff ..Thanks for the great video and take care...

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thank you for the kind words :)

[@somerandomguy3868]

It wouldn't be a PHAD video without a good downrange Russian repair, Gennie might do well for themselves to make you an authorized service contact, great job Ivan, personally I wouldn't be moving the unit with the platform raised with any gennie new or used

[@rcook1276]

Nice repair. Makes a lot of sense.

[@billziegmond4943]

I love it! Another Ivan solution.

[@gfilion]

I wonder if you set it up as 2WD when trying to calibrate it. That would explain why it got stuck...

[@arminprnjavorac2084]

Great video as always!

[@jeffzanin5503]

Son of Ivan 25 years from now: What the heck was done to this control panel - the drive bypasses the controller and uses LIGHT BULBS? Who did this and what were they thinking? etc.

[@mikechiodetti4482]

I don't like bypassing the board......but if you got the customer to sign a waiver...good. Anyway you've got the machine working.

[@WilliamMulligan]

Bonus footage: " I just used this chainsaw to fit a new radio too"

[@serge4856]

Andrew? 😄

[@n3roc]

Great Job Ivan!

[@john7017]

Great Video! Cash Job, no receipt in my book.

[@fluffyblue4006]

Both are valid fixes. The customer apparently doesn't mind: he signed a waiver and he didn't order a board replacement in those 4 months. The board probably just needed some capacitors replaced. But it's old. If you replace some caps now, you'll probably be replacing some others next year. Some of them are covered in silicon and the whole board is probably coated: a pain to work on. And it takes time. Probably not worth it. So, nice fix. But what you're gonna do when left/right fails? That needs to be proportional. ...or maybe not? It goes with Genie speeds, so, manageable. But imagine that your car would have buttons for left and right, instead of a steering wheel...

[@albutterfield5965]

I worker in the Alaskan bush for many years and one does (within reason) what is required to keep the equipment running and the job going. parts could be a month away and we only have maybe 6 months at most to work on a year.

[@consaka1]

Hilarious your reference to the yellow banana. That's one of my favorite KZbin channels. And yeah you are a long ways from him. Lol

[@steveo6631]

I think you're amazing... Improvise, adapt overcome... Just get the job done... Its how it used to be before people started getting their panties in a twist over little crap...

[@larrymunday7519]

Most people don't know about the Yellow Banana with the Yankum rope. LOL See how much it is to get the board repaired when they have some down time.

[@koneseta6355]

Is Pine hollow auto diagnostics channel doing videos of Staten Island ?

[@robertcarter3157]

I have an older Genie S-40 built in 94 has a WAGO terminal block to connect the wiring for the general operation. How do you deal with block, to insert or remove the wires.

[@mikefoehr235]

Ivan, if you call Matt, you get a shirt. Would be neat to see you in one.

[@tomctutor]

Ivan just wondering if those were triacs/SCRs or Voltage Regulators along the top of that controller pcb. Might be worth running a DVM along them and compare. A wild guess as these seem to be the only power devices there!

[@Nudnik1]

There is a company in Ohio that repairs boards for these Galco.com Set up a momentary push button to press a button multiple times quickly to pulse solenoid on valve... If both drivers fail. Repair is fine. Good job!

[@Paul-gw6ow]

i like this one . very cool jerry rig

[@d1bergman]

Two things, one can you get a schematic of the board and replace the bad component, two did you document the change in wiring on a schematic diagram?

[@andchip.s]

Very unlikely Genie would release that kind of information

[@Graham_Wideman]

Ivan: Since you seem to work on these a fair bit, any chance you found a schematic for the controller board, so you could actually perform at least some component-level troubleshooting and repairs, like replacing driver transistors?

[@mplante7352]

At this level of diagnostic complexity it s highly likely that this information of the circuit boards is proprietary to it's maker and they won't divulge their intellectual property and is not furnished to the general public. In most cases if a component has failed on the board you'll be advised to replace it and move on.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Not a chance for finding the actual board circuitry...Genie proprietary info I'm sure.

[@douglasjreynolds]

Unfortunately, thanks to lawyers and bottom-line margins, you won't find any schematics for stuff like that. It's a liability for the company, and how else would they make $1500 on a $100 board. The best case would be to do a visual on the board, but that probably won't show anything unless it is really fried.

[@stevencox75]

lmao i love matt's off-road recovery

[@chetwiggins2908]

Great video AGAIN!! Love the Russian repair!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thanks Chet! If it works, it works :)

[@mmichaeldonavon]

Great fix Ivan.

[@throttlebottle5906]

I'd have looked the board over closely, maybe just bad current sense resistors instead of drivers actually bad. I think I recall you had PWM waveform on them, just too narrow width. to do anything. like very low percentage(narrow), but wasn't the voltage peaks still high? not wanting to go back and watch again lol maybe even just bad solder joints on front/back.

[@pookatim]

I see no problem only I would have preferred that you used resistors instead of light bulbs. Would a varistor allow for different speeds? As far as customized modifications goes, I see no problem. If in the future some other tech gets involved, he can simply replace the board and put everything back to factory.

[@iadr]

Yeah could use a pot. Dial a speed. Hmmm.

[@RonP0310]

Like they say u cant make them all happy but hell as long as ur happy with it thats all that counts

[@R.E.HILL_]

That solution is gonna stay as is during the current ownership... hehe... 🙂 btw.. if you put a cummins in that xl7 you could pull it out, no problem.. 😉🙂

[@brianloftus3574]

Sometimes you got to do what you got to do

[@Penguilator]

Random question, that I haven't been able to find an answer to. I need to replace my starter; how much does the engine actually pivot out of the way..? Thanks. Dave

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Enough to replace the starter 😄

[@BigBlockSpence]

Great instructional videos. Have you ever had an S40 4x4 perkins (2006) that would not steer unless you were activating one of the other hydraulic functions? It will not steer unless I move platform or am telescoping in or out. Whenever I stop activating a function, steering will stop or continue the way it was going and max out. Has to be a valve/seal issue- but which one do you think? TIA Again - enjoying your videos and learning a lot.

[@amtpdb1]

Can't you buy a new driver chip and fix the board correctly? Thanks for the video.

[@s.brosltd8168]

Hey, I have a 2006 Genie Z60 and the steering does not work. The LED on the board does not light up when I move the joystick right or left

[@publicmail2]

Various parallel filaments dictate speed, electrically its probably less to go wrong and will not fail into an unsafe condition. The waiver is good and a LLC you should have anyway.

[@jimmymac15]

You're the man

[@saakjm]

hi!! How does the ALC500 board read the brake signal?

[@AP9311]

Ivan, i have to add....i read some of the comments. Wow. You're right about the last video you said people would say in the comments!! You expected that, didn't you? Haha. I find it funny and hilarious on what people saying in the comments lol

[@tabking3775]

How come you didn’t sent it to that shop that does Eric O’s motherboards?

[@danbeardshear1356]

even with the creative wiring its still not as bad as that other one you fixed

[@kerryb2689]

Next video Ivan starts a side business rebuilding genie control boards.

[@IBenZik]

You give a Russian kid a hammer and a screw driver and he can fix a MIG-29. Great vid Ivan.

[@chillybrit2334]

Rather than the test lamps in that circuit, could you not use some resistors?

[@fatfudge126]

I got a genie similar to this one. It only goes slow like it's stuck in crawl mode

[@tam1381]

Never known to be beat= Ivan.

[@crisprtalk6963]

Back home we call this the Russian rig fix! However, on the new toggle switch I would have put the R on top and F on bottom. Get yourself a little bonus fun!

[@anthonydefreitas6006]

If you really have a good laugh, mix them with the left & Right as well.

[@KarasCyborg]

I have a Genie GS3268 RT Scissor Lift. It lifts up 30', but won't come down from ground controls with or without engine started. 'JO' or 'J0' Error code not listed in manual anywhere. I think there was an error code 84 when going up. Any ideas as to what this could be?

[@Yousuckballs987]

angle position sensor , maybe rotating

[@Peter-pv8xx]

How does that saying go, it's a temporary fix unless it works?

[@sinegra30]

Straight to the point! Nice!

[@greg778123]

I think it was a good fix for the time you had

[@crisprtalk6963]

I hate reading flashing light codes!! I always seem to be off by one flash!

[@bjetTube]

Do you have any experience with a C023 error on a GS-1930 scissor lift? Not much info on diagnosing the problem online.

[@drivewasher]

I thought you might have tried to repair the board Ivan

[@fishbonenetworks]

Matt’s Off-road Recovery 😂😂🤣

[@bradfaught1695]

I would of liked to have had a hand drawn diagram for the first repair but I think I got it. The good driver is split at the toggle and sent through the bad driver circuit.

[@isachapron]

My genie only works from the side controls ,can get anything from bucket but I am getting power to it, help

[@charlesmiller5078]

A Lawyer once told me that you cant sign away your rights, thats why they are called rights. I once was going to open a stop smoking company, basically you sign a wavier and you go into a huge warehouse , everyone get a large screen tv, anything you want to eat, your own nice area, but you cant leave for 90 days. Lawyer told me, forget it. Thought it was a great idea. Forgot your on a 20 foot chain also, didnt want any fights.