F&F debate being Vulnerable infront of your girl *full discussion

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[@DayumSonny]

You never share your problems with the people whose safety you're responsible for.

[@Marzellus1991]

exactly

[@ceandremayweathers9450]

Yeah, when children are involved sure, but grown adults? absolutely not!

[@healthyyou9397]

I don't think soo.. The healtier way would be to share ur problems and find a solution A women will respect you only when she will be aware of ur sacrifices and work..

[@will-zj5gq]

⁠@@healthyyou9397 lies

[@Assistingalways]

@@healthyyou9397 damn lies 😂 they only care much of what you bringing to the table. How you got it mostly dont care.

[@brettski2532]

Older men know that women will punish you for being vulnerable.

[@Chris-kb6vf]

I learned the hard way. Chick simped me for years and wanted Vulnerable and I become too Vulnerable and she lost attraction. Fucked up lesson to learn.

[@mgtow-balance3409]

correct! as i learned over 30 years ago, *everything a man does and says is a test to a woman t'was ever thus! (*coined by MGTOW-Balance)

[@FcoEnriquePerez]

Also young men with some experiences, some live that stuff early in life. This type of women just loves their beta males, like Melina has one, and have always treated her men like that, no "keep her" material at all, she's the one keeping her "man"

[@JohnBeezy3]

We all have to learn the hard way

[@BrickyBoi4444]

The usual dum bitches that get invited to these knda of pods is like 5% of all woman, like you guys need to get off the internet, and stop watching dating/debate pods, that shit on woman, for god sake some of you are 30-40 thats just misrable.

[@Oexciting]

I’m not gonna lie. After hearing destiny’s wife speak and argue. She doesn’t live in the real world.

[@crypto_and_conspiracyss]

Yup

[@angelelchapo9959]

She is a whore.

[@lordsneed9418]

She lives in "progressive"-land aka tumblr and university campus comparative literature and women's studies departments

[@HamadiENT]

Her husband does let her get fucked by other dudes what u except

[@heyyomary]

@@lordsneed9418 she's swedish, she has very common swedish opinions.

[@sparkynate91]

I cried in front of a girlfriend when my dog i owned for 15yrs died. Needless to say she left me about 3 weeks later! I will never cry in front of a woman again! It's either with my bros, my guy family members or by myself! A woman does not respect a vulnerable, weak-looking man

[@sparkynate91]

@W2 oh it opened my eyes wide! When my dad suddenly died of a heart attack in 2020 at the age of 63, I left my house and girl, got in my 69 mustang he and I built from the ground-up and drove off! I cried in a parking lot for a hour alone because I knew I couldn't do it in front of my girl. My best friend met me in the parking lot. And then we proceeded to do doughnuts in my mustang and that helped so much! Doing that helped me so much more than having my girl at my side crying alongside me and then leaving me!

[@Chris-kb6vf]

Same bro,

[@Camo869]

So you are gay?

[@sp-leaks7935]

She's was low value trash, good riddance, these evil females are the reason for emotionally compromised young, violent men who have no emotional control & validation & are invalidated as young men by their fathers and mother's, duh..🤦🏾‍♂️

[@realistically9091]

@@sparkynate91 brutal

[@LawOfDistraction]

Like myron said, be vulnerable with someone who understands your problems. Usually your best bet is one of your bros. And they wont sugar coat it or lie to you, the truth will set you free💯

[@Charmer4856]

I’m vulnerable with my girl BUT we’ve lost a child together. So she understands that hurt and lost when I do cry thinking about it

[@igbokwenu4934]

​@@Charmer4856 That's something out of both your control and extremely traumatic and sorry for your loss. However we're talking about things you have in your control as a man (even if set backs u didn't expect, what doesn't kill you makes you.... stronger as the saying goes). That's what Myron is talking about,l regarding "vulnerability" that's submitting our power as men to manipulate our environment to fit our purpose through dreaming, strategic goal setting and most importantly hard work which usually includes setbacks.

[@thelegend3965]

@@Charmer4856I’m sorry for your loss. Hope you’re both ok.

[@etopsch369]

that is stupid.

[@etopsch369]

@@igbokwenu4934 no, Myron just talks shit. And I bet, even with the traumatic situation, Myron would still not back off. Myron is just an insecure boy. Has to grow up

[@TommyGunz327]

Melina is a perfect example of everything wrong with western women and her girlfriend destiny is everything wrong with western men.

[@19ars92]

its always the prettiest girls the most stupid ones smh

[@taloschronos]

@@19ars92 she is literally the ugliest in the room 🤣🤣🤣

[@BoomPunchPear]

oh come on don't be so mean, she probably lets him choose which dude is gonna plow her that night

[@BoomPunchPear]

@@kakao539 destiny and melina are in open relationship where she fucks other dudes and he is okay with that and they have the audacity to come on these podcasts and speak about relationships and how men/women should behave

[@seth7514]

@@kakao539 Melina and Destiny are in an "open relationship" because Melina wants to fuck around with other men while Destiny funds her poor spending habits, and Destiny wants her feel "empowered" while also not being able to commit at all to someone he considers his "wife". There's more, but that's the state of their "relationship", and it's bold to even call it that.

[@Gchild2k6]

Being with a female is an minute by minute exercise in mitigating risk😂

[@lyft4238]

Yeah bro too much work nowadays

[@Gchild2k6]

@@lyft4238 in the west definitely. Less hassle if you go abroad as the father have trained them and the culture helps to maintain that stable submissive nature so not as much risk to mitigate.

[@jjjk2048]

@@Gchild2k6it gettin to them too

[@Masculai1z]

When they say they want a vulnerable man the simple question of ''where is that guy now?'' is the equalizer to that nonsense.

[@rexqt5337]

Lmao then they dress it up with "well its not because of he cried" 😂

[@etopsch369]

stupid remark on Myrons part. If you talk about past experiences, you can always ask that question. makes no sense

[@Masculai1z]

@ETopSch No it isn't. Context matters and the context is always from the stand point of them being "former" boyfriends

[@BrickyBoi4444]

yell think woman are just copy and paste.

[@Jimmothyhalpert]

Imagine the CEO of the company showing up to a meeting and telling everyone, "guys, today is not a good day" and starts crying. Everyone will immediately go into a panic! FnF are absolutely right on this. F the ideals these people put out there.

[@Pytliczello]

yeah because it is the same... you can cry in some cases but do not be b*tch and do not whine and complain about some random sh*t...

[@itstentoes8408]

Perfect way to put it 🙌🏾

[@heyyomary]

But a relationship is not a business

[@tesseract4056]

​@@heyyomaryWell marriage is about DUTY. Not personal feelings.

[@itstentoes8408]

@@heyyomary can your pee brain not understand an analogy 🤧🧐

[@stevel.2759]

My mom used to play men the same way. And then laugh at them. Snakes

[@yukiteruamano3155]

This is weirdly funny

[@fatbomb2338]

Girl in the pink dress bodied Melina so hard, she had her attorney draw up divorce papers and sent em' straight to Destiny🤣🤣🤣🤜🏿🤛🏿

[@christophersmith8316]

Not only do you not know how a woman will handle your vulnerability, THEY don't know.

[@oscarperez9783]

That’s the whole point of dating. To figure out what kind of woman she is. You should know the answers to these questions once you’ve dated her for a long time

[@jonathan_brutus]

I did that vulnerable shit once with a chick and never again. Not on some crying shit but just talking and we both were under the influence. Got into talking about some deep conversation with her, a few weeks after we got into an argument . They will use that against you when y'all argue or just bring it up at some point. Vent to your brother or your homeboys. Never to a woman or your girlfriend.

[@HelloThere156]

It’s best to make those mistakes while you’re young. IMO every guy has “the one that got away” and it holds them down for a while. I think it’s important that men get someone they care about early and do all of the mistakes early that way they can recover from them ASAP and hopefully not repeat them. I too had to learn the hard way you should be vulnerable with your bois and not your girl😂😂😂 that shit will get held over your head. Homies will always get you and give you good feedback. My best friend who’s a REALLY tough guy ex marine all the crazy stuff called me one night crying at 2am. I never thought I’d see him like that but he showed vulnerability to a homie over his gf at the time… he knew better to get feedback from a guy the cry your eyes out to a chick. I made the critical mistake of being vulnerably with the gal pal at the time and I ended up calling my best bud in tears afterward😂😂😂 but it’s definitely a learning experience and you really honestly need to make some of these mistakes yourself and analyze your own errors.

[@noahidewarrior5838]

Only women you should vent to is grandma, mother or sister. Never wife or strange woman.

[@theauthentictacoshow]

Yea cause your friends won’t turn it into a joke

[@jofieji5312]

They want vulnerability to improve the connection for manipulation.

[@ackeem9819]

Word

[@guyg6728]

how exasperated I was on that 'FAX' I just let out

[@raymondram8300]

In my opinion man can never be vulnerable . A accepting mindset is .

[@thatguyyousawthatonetime]

This is one of those things that seems second nature...just ask the question to yourself, "should I cry/be vulnerable/show weakness in front of a girl, considering our whole purpose as their leaders and protectors?" you could probably ask a very young boy and he'd instinctually know you probably shouldn't.

[@AJ........]

I feel like that's almost simping and acting from a place of scarcity if you change how you act cuz you're scared of how it will make her feel. If these guys were really in a place of abundance they wouldn't care and they'd get a different chick if him crying over a family death turns her off

[@keekbackVidzHD]

@@AJ........ you my friend are lost. As a leader, showing emotion is not something you are supposed to do cuz it will make you lose frame in front of your subordinates. This applies in a relationship as well. Itss ingrained in human nature. Women DO NOT respect men that are emotional and cry in front of them. This is not a how it should be scenario , its how it IS. Crying in front of girls is not a sign of true strength, it is something that only a SIMP, that does not have a strong masculine frame, will do. You are trying your hardest to re-frame it and make it look like it shows strength. This is something a blue-pilled guy that does nit understand female nature, would say.

[@AJ........]

@@keekbackVidzHD I'm not trying to reframe it. I really think a guy so worried about how a woman will react is a form of simping. I'm not a pill popper, and I'm not advocating for men crying in front of women. What I am saying is if something really painful happens like a family death, and you end up showing emotion, then who cares. At the very least it's a test for the girl. If she looks down on you or sees it a a bad thing then just say "next". I'm not being so try hard that I alter my behavior for any woman. There's millions of them out there and they're all different so why live in a state of fear so worried about what she thinks? That's too much bro.

[@Nyarlathotep_Flagg]

@@AJ........ I do kinda agree. And would argue women might really not be worth it. But that doesn't mean he's wrong.

[@cameron765]

​@@AJ........ that's the problem u feel like and don't actually know

[@johannesdolch]

When Women say they want a vulnerable man, what they actually mean is: "I want a strong man, who is vulnerable towards his feelings of love towards me" That's it. If you are vulnerable to anything else, you're out.

[@Enscriptiv]

Pink dress made the best point about her father holding it down for his wife. That is beautiful.

[@lM-zr5vu]

Thinking back... This is true. I cried once in my marriage, and got divorced 3 months later.

[@fatbomb2338]

It's always so strange how women want a man significantly better than them (even Melina picked Dest who's higher IQ, has more status and is far more richer than her) but expects him to cry like she does. Why can't he acknowledge the emotions but choose not to cry to her? What's with the need to see him be like you, when the reason you're with him is because he is nothing like you???

[@ffshooter9929]

🎯

[@salguodrolyat2594]

They only say that because they want to break up later and need a convenient excuse.

[@ravszee]

because shes power hungry. a key tactic females use to control a man is emotional manipulation

[@MrDarkjustice30]

Simply. They want superman, but also want access to his kryptonite. Basically they harlots are Lex Luthor 😆 🤣

[@fatbomb2338]

To be honest most women good or bad want these types of leverages over their man. Accept it and move accordingly.

[@cxncien]

Lestiny's husband(melina) thinks she's the epitome of women for wanting to see men cry and being vulnerable. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@andrewstanley]

BOOM she’s virtue signaling

[@Kimkong2]

They won’t admit this but the real reason women want you to show vulnerability to them is because it makes them feel special. It has little to do with you.

[@CookieMonster-we1in]

Melina cant talk. Shes in an open relationship credibility out the window for that 304.

[@andrews476]

Agreed, just commented this lol

[@CookieMonster-we1in]

@@andrews476 respect!!! Its true though. That chicken head really thinks she has a say

[@tonystarks7715]

Melina and destiny are both irritating asf... Perfect match

[@someone-ji2zb]

Sadly they represent the SJW majority at the moment. They might be more on the extreme side, but the reason they continually have so much support and traction is because the numbers, despite their illogical non sense, are in their favor. Tough time to be alive for people who aren't completely out of their minds, but it is only going to get worse.

[@jt_rooster3228]

Melinda divorced Destiny.

[@jor-dan650]

Women have no empathy, since they have no empathy why would I cry to her when she wouldn’t understand my problems as a man it’s better to go to the bros

[@oscarperez9783]

What kinda of women are y’all dating? Fresh and fit is not helping you at all if you keep having these problems 😂

[@mtrichie111]

This is real !! My dudes are always supportive whenever shit hits the fan, best friend past away, dad past away, guys are always there, my ex literally stopped talking to me when I told her and that's how we broke up, she said "I can't handle you like this", after 3 years of being friends and several months dating, completely cut me off when I told her my dad past away and I was crying. Here's the funniest part, when we first got involved and I asked her what she was looking for in a man, her response "I need a man whose vulnerable, and able to express his emotions" That's why I know all of the females here, especially destinies husband, is 🧢

[@shmoopiebear]

Never. Ever.

[@eksquisite]

melina loves it when her husband is vulnerable and shows his emotions, as long as she's free to cheat on him

[@billithesquid2399]

"No, that's hot"😂😂

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

Wait, who said that?

[@alexanderbrown9991]

Respect to the girl in the pink dress for understanding and Respecting the truth about a man controlling his emotions for his wife. He feels the pain the same way she does. But he needs to get the rock that she can cry on

[@MrSjd1967]

The Ugly Truth

[@happyplaysfeet]

This is 100 percent true; however, there’s a difference between crying on her shoulder vs learning how to deal with vulnerability. You see, women want a man who is vulnerable. Most men think of this statement “vulnerability of a men” from the women means he can cry on her shoulder and he can be emotional when in fact women don’t mean that at all. You see, women don’t say 100 % of what they actually mean because there’s another layer to what they aren’t explains, hence, they want men to understand their logic most of the time. (For example, women text the man she just went on a date with that she just wants to be friends. That means she doesn’t like you enough.) What women mean when they say a man needs to be vulnerable is a man needs to learn how to deal with a woman’s vulnerability. Either when a woman is crying, angry, sad, super pissed off, or just simply explaining her feelings, that is vulnerability. (Entrusting the man to not judge her) A lot of men get this wrong and are usually being defensive or trying to fix the issue by saying “don’t worry about it” or “that’s not even a big deal,” along those lines. Hence, fixing her issue usually devalue, belittles, and most importantly makes it look like he doesn’t care about her emotion/feelings when in fact she just want to be understood, comforted, and most importantly valued of those feelings. Fixing her vulnerability or being defensive over time will lose the attraction she has with the man because she no longer can be safe to express her vulnerability due to the message not flowing smooth to him Because maybe her message is brought to him either roughly (using anger) or mean (screaming and name calling). Either way, her message is delivered but the man refuses to understand her point of vulnerability even if it’s wrong. You see, women are talkative creatures and they use talking as a way to destress and open to her man. But if she talks and the man refuses to be there for her even if the message is full of lies, name calling, manipulation, etc, she will take it as the man is not strong enough to be there to support her emotionally. She will disconnect with him eventually. In order to fix this issue, This comes from the knowledge of Men can never make a woman happy, just happier. You see, nothing a man can do will change her emotional state. Let’s say she is super angry at her man and is shouting at him. Nothing will make her happy but him being there to tank it. Once he tanks it and hears her out, he must understand the bigger issue. Never understand the issue at face value because underneath all of the anger and frustration lies probably hurt, insecurity, and unhappiness of something else. The men should identify that, which is Validation, and then follow up with words of comfort like, “would you like me to hug you to make sure you’re ok?” Or “I know you are stressing out about so many things that you just want me to know that you really love me and care.” This makes it where the message coming from her is being understood. Then her stress within herself will ease away. Going back to nothing a man can do will make the woman happy part, the woman’s happiness will ease to normal on her own. That’s why the man stressing and trying to fix her issue is bad. The point is, she can be wrong at times but she is looking for a strong and understanding man who can make it a safe environment for her to express those feelings. Men are the protectors of the human race anyways right? So why aren’t men wanting to protect and keep the environment of her’s safe? It boils down to immaturity and the lack of understanding how men are supposed to be. Be like her Superman, unfazed of anything the woman will throw at him. That’s why men from Long lasting marriages say, “love her which ever she becomes.” But don’t be fooled, Women obviously has to remain loyal and not-physically abusive. Know your worth as men too.

[@VaporwaveLover2000]

Women need to be there for their husbands if they can’t they aren’t mature enough

[@shannondavis3686]

Melina “Feels” she is an 11. She fully beloved She is better than every man and woman in that room. She is delusional, toxic, and pure spite.

[@driftracerr34]

Melina seems like the kind of girl who says she wants a man who shows emotions but would fuck his best friend the moment he does.

[@driftracerr34]

Oh shit... I just realized who she is. I'm right lol

[@shadowrealm6]

Her yellow teeth makes her a 4

[@amunra_]

the woman in yellow wants a man to be vulnerable with her because it gives her power. she may not even realize that. it changes the power dynamic. she is very masculine in her orientation and wants men to control. in addition to that, you can tell she is doing the routine you can see many of the girls do on these podcasts - she seems to enjoy being the controversial one for the attention. She knows she is going against the grain and I don't think she believes what she is saying. Girls like that want to be led, its almost like a call out for it like she's broadcasting. She knows what she is attracted to. She is addicted to the power of controlling men and its deluding her. Men she can control she will not respect. She also knows this. Sadly for her, its not a great trajectory.

[@someone-ji2zb]

Eh, she is the typical SJW. Too far gone at this point, and she has to continually lie to herself and in front of others to justify her immoral lifestyle.

[@realistically9091]

See the problem with what your saying is the average man will never understand exactly what you wrote. You have a deep understanding of woman that most men will never comprehend . People will just call you names and insult you for saying what your saying

[@Blopusanian]

@@realistically9091The funny part too is the girl in yellow talked about true love and she was the one who cheated on her husband multiple times.

[@huliohuliohamijo]

Men regularly doubt themselves in the back of their minds, specially when dealing with difficult problems. In the back of their head there is a voice that constantly says "are you competent enough to solve this problem? Probably not". If your woman depends on you to solve a difficult problem, and you are open and vulnerable with her and you tell her about that voice, that you are doubting yourself, she might try to be a good girlfriend/wife and reassure you. But whether she wants to or not, in the back of her mind she is going to start thinking "if he doesn't trust his own ability to solve this problem, how can I?". That will increase her stress, she will start asking you more questions and she will want to be more involved in the situation, because she is scared that you won't be able to deal with it. And because you are doubting yourself, your mind is going to look for signs that you are failing, and you will definitely notice that your woman is starting to doubt you as well. That will start a spiral of stress and resentment in the relationship, and it will end badly. Conversely, you can also avoid telling her about your fears and insecurities, you can just be stoic and say "I am on it, I need some peace and quiet", and then deal with your own insecurities by yourself. Once you have calmed yourself down, you can work on solving the problem that is stressing you. And only then you talk to her, when you have something productive to tell her. That way her confidence in you will not decrease, she won't be stressed about the problem, she will be more joyful and nurturing, and you will notice that she trusts your competence, which will reassure you much more than her words. In this life there are 2 things that are extremely important for a man: the first one is to constantly pay attention to the world and have the ability to learn and adjust. Just like one would in a boxing match, since men are in a constant in a boxing match against life. You watch your opponent's movements and you react in time, so that life can't knock you out. And you are not just defensive, you are also proactive, so that life has to adjust to you as well, and not just the other way around. The second thing is a superhuman confidence in oneself. You have to have an almost religious faith in your own ability to face your problems, and to withstand whatever life throws at you. Because if you don't you will doubt yourself too much, and life will become too much to bear. You need to be your own rock in your own mind, because no one else will be. Only when you master that you can be other people's rocks as well. Which is a necessity once you have a wife and children. A women can't be your rock, because women don't have that ability. A woman can be your motivation if she is worth it. That's is why, if you want a family, you have to find one who is. You have to find a woman who will give you strenght and will motivate you and encourage you with her femininity.

[@huliohuliohamijo]

9:56 Probably not, but guess what, when there is a difficult problem down the line and she needs to trust you, you don't want her to have the mental image of you crying inside her head. 13:00 She says that she only saw her father cry once, when his mother died. And I wonder, why does she think that is? Does she think he was never stressed enough, or sad enough, to cry before or after that? No. The reason he didn't cry in front of them before or after that one time is because he knew both his children and his wife, in moments of fear and stress (and life is full of them), need to be able to feel there is this man out there who can deal with anything, with any problem you can possibly throw at him, doesn't matter how big or difficult. A man who is there for them, to protect them, who never breaks down when there is trouble. Like a superhero. That is the role of a father. 14:30 And I will say more, if you are a woman who wants to have a family and have children, and you don't do it with a man who can do that, who can be the rock for the whole family, you are doing a disservice to your future children.

[@angelelchapo9959]

Absolute BULLSHIT! NEVER EVER tell a woman your problems. Problem solved.

[@madestro]

A man can show emotions of sadness, rage, etc but not be vulnerable; meaning I can tell you "oh I'm sad about my life, BUT I am going to do this and this and that to fix it". Yes, you showed your emotion but you also showed leadership skills in solving the things that made him cry. You, as a man, have to learn to which extent you can show any emotion, unlike women that can cry on you at all times if they want.

[@jjjk2048]

Don do it atall

[@happyplaysfeet]

This is 100 percent true; however, there’s a difference between crying on her shoulder vs learning how to deal with vulnerability. You see, women want a man who is vulnerable. Most men think of this statement “vulnerability of a men” from the women means he can cry on her shoulder and he can be emotional when in fact women don’t mean that at all. You see, women don’t say 100 % of what they actually mean because there’s another layer to what they aren’t explains, hence, they want men to understand their logic most of the time. (For example, women text the man she just went on a date with that she just wants to be friends. That means she doesn’t like you enough.) What women mean when they say a man needs to be vulnerable is a man needs to learn how to deal with a woman’s vulnerability. Either when a woman is crying, angry, sad, super pissed off, or just simply explaining her feelings, that is vulnerability. (Entrusting the man to not judge her) A lot of men get this wrong and are usually being defensive or trying to fix the issue by saying “don’t worry about it” or “that’s not even a big deal,” along those lines. Hence, fixing her issue usually devalue, belittles, and most importantly makes it look like he doesn’t care about her emotion/feelings when in fact she just want to be understood, comforted, and most importantly valued of those feelings. Fixing her vulnerability or being defensive over time will lose the attraction she has with the man because she no longer can be safe to express her vulnerability due to the message not flowing smooth to him Because maybe her message is brought to him either roughly (using anger) or mean (screaming and name calling). Either way, her message is delivered but the man refuses to understand her point of vulnerability even if it’s wrong. You see, women are talkative creatures and they use talking as a way to destress and open to her man. But if she talks and the man refuses to be there for her even if the message is full of lies, name calling, manipulation, etc, she will take it as the man is not strong enough to be there to support her emotionally. She will disconnect with him eventually. In order to fix this issue, This comes from the knowledge of Men can never make a woman happy, just happier. You see, nothing a man can do will change her emotional state. Let’s say she is super angry at her man and is shouting at him. Nothing will make her happy but him being there to tank it. Once he tanks it and hears her out, he must understand the bigger issue. Never understand the issue at face value because underneath all of the anger and frustration lies probably hurt, insecurity, and unhappiness of something else. The men should identify that, which is Validation, and then follow up with words of comfort like, “would you like me to hug you to make sure you’re ok?” Or “I know you are stressing out about so many things that you just want me to know that you really love me and care.” This makes it where the message coming from her is being understood. Then her stress within herself will ease away. Going back to nothing a man can do will make the woman happy part, the woman’s happiness will ease to normal on her own. That’s why the man stressing and trying to fix her issue is bad. The point is, she can be wrong at times but she is looking for a strong and understanding man who can make it a safe environment for her to express those feelings. Men are the protectors of the human race anyways right? So why aren’t men wanting to protect and keep the environment of her’s safe? It boils down to immaturity and the lack of understanding how men are supposed to be. Be like her Superman, unfazed of anything the woman will throw at him. That’s why men from Long lasting marriages say, “love her which ever she becomes.” But don’t be fooled, Women obviously has to remain loyal and not-physically abusive. Know your worth as men too.

[@alphardestur5784]

Tried and tested, 5 years of relationship went to shit just because I was too open to my ex-girlfriend before. Trust me, sooner or later once it gets shaky, she'll use your own insecurity, weakness & words you shared with her and use it as a weapon to manipulate you. Also, respect your own boundaries, before I believe that in relationship, you just need to trust each other and everything goes well. Later, I found out that her boy bestfriends are making a move on her and she reciprocate their intention. Respect your boundary lads! Also, don't listen to those sweet angelic voice, always observe their actions.

[@danhewit]

It’s true bro, the moment you tell your problem and if your not in control of your emotions they will shoot to another man , i wished I had learnt this stuff in my early 20’s but guess we men only fully mature when we reach 30. Also regarding boundaries make sure they are established very early on so that they know where you stand and what you don’t tolerate. My relationship only lasted 3 months, It was my first because before I used to just play and have fun with chicks and the alpha stuff came naturally because I never took them seriously. It’s only when i got into a relationship and took it more seriously my guard went down is was real love and I let it dictate my emotions, I lost my purpose and I was too available. I just think we live in different times now, no such thing as loyalty, everyone wants an easy fix. Bud I don’t know how you are managing, a five year relationship is no joke, I was literally destroyed after being betrayed.

[@alphardestur5784]

@@danhewit In my experience bro, everything works out in the end as long as you work on yourself and make sacrifices, that way, you will be able to create opportunities for yourself. Me and my ex broke up last 2018, I spent that time to better myself, I graduated, have a decent career and I took my health seriously. Now, I was able to find a women who's a thousand times better than my ex, who's more pure than my ex, who's more supportive than my ex. We're together for more than a year now. Funny story bro, my ex actually reached out to me last year, giving some hints that she still wants it. To think, she already have a boyfriend that time, she even denied that she has a boyfriend. It's crazy. we must avoid crazy then haha.

[@chazdrezlife]

HAHAH iS THAT ZHERKA IN THE AUDIENCE?

[@factsfacts6628]

Please whats the timeline

[@chazdrezlife]

@@factsfacts6628 5:22

[@Felix2011y]

That last girl nailed it perfectly

[@aznsuhhyun]

Letting Melina out the house without adult supervision should be illegal

[@Blopusanian]

@@ebygeorge6399 It’s funny that other girl Erudite is the same way, she came on F&F and started talking about true love and how men can be vulnerable then she turns out to be a cheater and contradicts her own argument same as Melina here.

[@anbbbe]

melina is the definition of someone arguing just for the sake of arguing

[@MRJTD99]

Was that Zherka heckling in the background? Hilarious

[@izzybizzy7089]

Destiny's girl reminds me of Will Smith's, delusional, toxic, and all around bad news.

[@stevejurgens9836]

The cognitive dissonance is palpable...

[@etf42]

9:20 here it is gentlemen, PAY ATTENTION!!!!!....women want men to be vulnerable because of _THEIR_ feelings...not yours. They want your vulnerability for THEIR own benefit

[@TheGiantMidget]

Stuff like that slips by so easily because most people aren't hip to how deep human selfishness runs but people unknowingly tell on themselves all the time. She wants men to be vulnerable with her because it makes her feel special, meaning it inflates her ego so it's really all about her. This is what they get confused about they confuse what will flatter their ego with what actually turns them on

[@etf42]

@@TheGiantMidget precisely. Everytime I hear women talk about this topic it ALWAYS boils down go this….

[@rishabbhattachaya6676]

the main reason why these women argue so heatedly is because its like looking at a magician's tricks and understanding how it works. All of a sudden you cant dismiss or make a decision on a "vibe" when the whole game is laid out in front of you. they hate being so simple.

[@Dacangri2]

That girl in the yellow dress lives in fairyland 😂

[@_nuance]

Myron has became very refined, man! He disassociates his feelings completely from the conversations. That's the optimum results after dealing with a ton of women without losing your mind.

[@Syncopia]

Legit, he stays focused and doesn't let feelings get into the conversation

[@jolosolo5291]

one of the girls said " If you are married to someone and his mom died he is like a little bit sad" HIS MOM DIED! he has right to be as sad as he wants like wtf.

[@chrisfelix5340]

Melina thinks all the women are like her. 😂😂😂

[@Daniel-Deshaun]

one time i was with a female friend and we were smoking but the weed gave a weird shaking and crying attack. idk if it was a seizure or an anxiety attack or what. she hasn’t talked to me since. don’t cry in front of a girl if you want her to stick around

[@skadermen]

They always wanna conflate "showing a little bit of emotions" with vulnerability.

[@v.w.1000]

What’s the point in being vulnerable with anybody? It doesn’t matter who it is, they will eventually use it against you so it’s best to count on yourself for those type of things.

[@thrilla72]

No man is an island unto himself

[@MRJTD99]

One of the harder red pills to swallow

[@theleague383]

lmao bruh its ok to show vulnerability from time to time. We live for a short period of time on this earth.

[@linger4605]

"Vulnerable to an extent." Basically women want you to somehow read their minds on exactly when.

[@trustory102]

Myron cooked on here!

[@malikguzman9132]

A protector can't be seen as a protector if he's seen as a weakling.

[@kirkvj8330]

Loves Myron's delivery it isn't as harsh like before and the women would likely be open to change

[@AB-ez4rm]

She makes Destiny cry all the time, she's used to it.

[@someone-ji2zb]

I can't get over that dynamic lol.... she is a fairly attractive woman with the most beta looking of males and they have that open thing going on... yet you know he gets nothing from most other women, and she is getting rammed. It is like the guy is willingly just handing over his money for nothing. I don't get it. The dude lets her win, and he continually makes himself look like a girly man publicly for the sake of his SJW religion. Sickening people with immoral mindsets. They will have their pleasure for now, but it will be a lonely ending to their lives in the future.

[@jmd3236]

Lol she abuses like a little b..tch he is

[@delaster6691]

Fresh just be repeating what Myron says lmaooo bro don’t think for himself, still fw bro tho

[@thrilla72]

When they say vulnerable, what they MEAN is a man who says that he loves her. Whispers sweet nothings in her ear etc. It's not about wanting to hear about his problems!

[@Famedawg]

I’ve cried 3 or 4 times since I was a teenager and I’m 36 now. I cried when my best friend died of a overdose, Im not into hard drugs, but I watched him destroy himself. Shit was rough. My grandma died and I let some tears go too. Now my mom is dying from cancer and I’m trying to keep it together. Life is rough fellas, good luck!! I don’t cry because I’m worried about what my wife thinks, I just never understood what it’s supposed to accomplish. It changes nothing about your circumstances.

[@directedbyghosts4074]

Are there enough cats for all these girls 😂

[@OriginalKarasu]

And The lady on the coach was never seen ever again 😂😂😂

[@happyplaysfeet]

This is 100 percent true; however, there’s a difference between crying on her shoulder vs learning how to deal with vulnerability. You see, women want a man who is vulnerable. Most men think of this statement “vulnerability of a men” from the women means he can cry on her shoulder and he can be emotional when in fact women don’t mean that at all. You see, women don’t say 100 % of what they actually mean because there’s another layer to what they aren’t explains, hence, they want men to understand their logic most of the time. (For example, women text the man she just went on a date with that she just wants to be friends. That means she doesn’t like you enough.) What women mean when they say a man needs to be vulnerable is a man needs to learn how to deal with a woman’s vulnerability. Either when a woman is crying, angry, sad, super pissed off, or just simply explaining her feelings, that is vulnerability. (Entrusting the man to not judge her) A lot of men get this wrong and are usually being defensive or trying to fix the issue by saying “don’t worry about it” or “that’s not even a big deal,” along those lines. Hence, fixing her issue usually devalue, belittles, and most importantly makes it look like he doesn’t care about her emotion/feelings when in fact she just want to be understood, comforted, and most importantly valued of those feelings. Fixing her vulnerability or being defensive over time will lose the attraction she has with the man because she no longer can be safe to express her vulnerability due to the message not flowing smooth to him Because maybe her message is brought to him either roughly (using anger) or mean (screaming and name calling). Either way, her message is delivered but the man refuses to understand her point of vulnerability even if it’s wrong. You see, women are talkative creatures and they use talking as a way to destress and open to her man. But if she talks and the man refuses to be there for her even if the message is full of lies, name calling, manipulation, etc, she will take it as the man is not strong enough to be there to support her emotionally. She will disconnect with him eventually. In order to fix this issue, This comes from the knowledge of Men can never make a woman happy, just happier. You see, nothing a man can do will change her emotional state. Let’s say she is super angry at her man and is shouting at him. Nothing will make her happy but him being there to tank it. Once he tanks it and hears her out, he must understand the bigger issue. Never understand the issue at face value because underneath all of the anger and frustration lies probably hurt, insecurity, and unhappiness of something else. The men should identify that, which is Validation, and then follow up with words of comfort like, “would you like me to hug you to make sure you’re ok?” Or “I know you are stressing out about so many things that you just want me to know that you really love me and care.” This makes it where the message coming from her is being understood. Then her stress within herself will ease away. Going back to nothing a man can do will make the woman happy part, the woman’s happiness will ease to normal on her own. That’s why the man stressing and trying to fix her issue is bad. The point is, she can be wrong at times but she is looking for a strong and understanding man who can make it a safe environment for her to express those feelings. Men are the protectors of the human race anyways right? So why aren’t men wanting to protect and keep the environment of her’s safe? It boils down to immaturity and the lack of understanding how men are supposed to be. Be like her Superman, unfazed of anything the woman will throw at him. That’s why men from Long lasting marriages say, “love her which ever she becomes.” But don’t be fooled, Women obviously has to remain loyal and not-physically abusive. Know your worth as men too.

[@remiCs617]

You cannot ask fresh something and believe what he tells you. He says that he thinks he should based on the crowd and Myron. Not even worth getting his opinion.

[@herefobeer]

I’m failing to understand how dating a woman is any better than having a series of sugar babies. The pricing calculus will be awfully close. Emotional fulfilment is about the same. Sex is better and diverse.

[@ohnoanyway1016]

chain of command. "gripes go up, not down."

[@Gabrielcb1507]

Destinys girl is from Sweden, the land of the politically correct I lived there for a while and that’s how everyone is brought up This kind of conversations would never happen there

[@ProfFrankify]

Myron is 100 percent correct when dating someone or are newly weds. After an "X" amount of years of marriage I would hope women would genuinely care about a man by then to not think less of him when he's vulnerable. But Idk. However, that question will always remain though, "is it worth the risk?"

[@jaybanthony]

Anything you do and say can and will be used against you. Don't ever get too comfortable in any relationship. We live in a world where people want what they want until they have it and then it's "what's next?"

[@almiramichelle9130]

This is the reason why lots of men die in heart attack or die early because they never cry like woman. I think man can be vulnerable but should choose the right woman, which means be careful that she won't use your weaknesses against you.

[@Cj-vz6lu]

What these women arent saying is that when they think of a vulnerable man they think Ryan gosling in the movie the note book 😑

[@tdunn2]

Only reason they’d want a vulnerable man because they are easier to control.

[@shanenolan5625]

I have cried with my father and my brother. ( death in the family and major health issues with someone in the family) I saw my father cry 3 times . His parents and sisters funeral. And we are talking about 30 seconds or single tears .. ( mostly if it happens, I'm alone. I haven't cried in ? Almost almost 20 years). Often, men cry on the inside. Or they are close to it . ( I'm not including certain movies that make you emotional)

[@NationViolation]

yellow dress girl is is hella strange.

[@Markus.Vidal247]

I can understand why destiny is why he is. His wife is insufferable and has no valid points. But shaming tactics.

[@Creasey_F]

Why does Melina think what she has the say is more important than the next person.?

[@arnonshachar5937]

I am a 52 year 6 figures, 6 feet. Most successful men are looking for feminine women. I don't really care how much you earn or how educated you are

[@davidbutler1622]

The problem with these podcasts is there’s no room for balance. You can be a strong man but also show vulnerability through self deprecating humour. You make a girl laugh and you’re halfway there regardless of status.

[@Jaslath]

*The problem with these podcasts is there’s no room for balance.* It seems your issue is that they don't give out answers that allow for nuance. Two reasons for that: 1. The podcasts are aimed at general audiences which means the message has to be tailored to what will cover the majority and give outcomes that will most likely happen. 2. If you give an answer that allows for every possibility then people will latch on to any possibility (no matter how outlandish) which will get them the result they think they want. Women are especially prone to focus on what is possible instead of what is probable. It's the difference between 'there are plenty of fish in the sea' while obese vs 'get in shape' and your odds of finding a mate will increase.

[@iamjuniorduh]

They dint want vulnerable men because they care about him. They want him tobbe vulnerable and aharehis feelings about HER.

[@sincitydude31]

This Melina chick just fights EVERY FUCKING THING! Not one time did she ever say, "Eh, yeah I see your point there."

[@OriginalKarasu]

Bruhhhh i foking hate this world... this constant competition and the obsession for being successful is tiring and sickening...

[@quinnad2638]

Only women i’d cry to is my mom

[@NSMTT]

Never Forget: *"Bro's Before H*s."*

[@JetSetta313]

Destiny wife is 100% using him 😂😂

[@jmd3236]

200%

[@lordsneed9418]

Ubiquitous Myron W

[@miguelcamacho9948]

Exactly how my dad was growing up.. He cried like twice my whole childhood and it was cuz of near death experiences with his sons

[@maxdawg]

i'm a man, and i think you should be able to cry in front of a woman. that woman = your mom. she is the ONLY woman that will love you unconditionally in this lifetime. you go to her, PRIVATELY, open up, & let the tears flow if they need to. she will do her mom work... the work that raised you, and she'll comfort you in that tough time. note: if your father has passed on, you, the son, need to be the ROCK for your mom in tough situations... so in that case, when your mom is emotionally tapped-out, you shouldn't cry in front of her; she needs her son(s) to be her support. last, as a man, when the emotions are running high, go to your male friends and open up, walk your dog on a trail and let it out, spend time alone or in therapy and let it out. at all times, do NOT let your woman see you get overly emotional over anything... you MUST be the rock that stabilizes her emotion.

[@andrews476]

That girl Melinas opinion doesn’t count, she’s not in a monogamous relationship.

[@alexandervanguard9701]

I guess that’s how you find your soul mate or twin flame. Risk vulnerability and see if she leaves or not, if she does she’s not for your soul and that’s a fact.

[@allenmciver1888]

She's so annoying in her Need to Be Right that she disqualifies everyone's else's emotion. Go Peg Destiny B.

[@donmooney21]

They never say they want a tall guy to an extent.....a rich guy to an extent....aka. they dont actually want a vulnerable guy.

[@12MYCRYL17]

never take advice from women especially about vulnerability and being emotional. BE STOIC. Cry on your own or cry in front of your bros. It is okay to have emotions. it is bad to be emotionAL They are saying they want a vulnerable man but they don't have a certain point on HOW vulnerable should you be WHILE ALSO BEING STOIC. It is literally contradicting.

[@p333nt4gr4m]

destiny didn't noticed her girl getting trashed in public he was too busy playing factorio in his gooncave

[@torreslol9171]

You can hear zerka say duck your husband lol

[@lbar97]

Never everrrrrr and god knows never ... Show weakness to a women Ever............ It will count against you.

[@calimotivated7398]

These women keep using examples of loved ones passing away just to try and get one of the men to admit that he’ll cry or has cried. They’re so focused on getting these men to contradict themselves that the real topic of discussion is flying over their head. They’re reasoning with emotions instead of logic just cause they feel like these men are bashing them but they’re just spitting facts.

[@junfrias9188]

It really depends on the situation man.

[@menoftomorrowchannel]

That's why you cry in your beer before you go home! Do like George Baily in 'It's A Wonderful Life'

[@Sin-uz1bp]

Both sides sound extreme. The reality is there’s nothing wrong in a healthy relationship with it being clear that something bothers you etc. but being a bumbling fumbling crying child who’s useless to the world is what’s a turn off.

[@221Pilot]

I think that these discussions need to be had

[@mirzabaig4711]

Melina is as detatched from reality as she is hot--Unbelievably.

[@someone-ji2zb]

Well clearly the majority of them are. It is what it is, but social justice is the primary way of thinking in the US right now. Sucks, but it is very much the truth. It is in the work place, your supermarkets, your entertainment, and in the schools. If anything, her reality is the hive mind right now, so the reality is that her mindset is shared by more people in the US than not. Is it immoral? Yes. Sadly it doesn't change things