118. Mystery, Erik von Markovik - The Michael Sartain Podcast

Erik von Markovik aka Mystery ( IG @askmystery ) was the first live, in-field pick up instructor in the world. He's the subject of the NY Times best seller, "The Game" by Neil Strauss. He was the star of "VH1's The Pickup Artist" and he was the creator of the "Mystery Method" and "The Venutian Arts Handbook" @askmystery
After an almost 10 year hiatus, Erik and his partner Rob Beckster are conducting live in-field training again.
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0:00 Intro
0:58 Having children
2:27 Meeting Mystery
5:10 Neil Strauss & Jessica Alba
6:08 Becoming famous and mainstream
7:29 *The changes in game in the last 20 years
12:19 *Direct vs indirect game
14:12 *“Don’t sexualize the conversation”
15:56 Integrating dating apps
17:42 Using social media to help your dating
19:11 Text messaging vs DMs
20:39 The pillow pit era
23:11 Using pre-selection
25:31 The dual-induction massage
26:46 *Instructing your girl pivot
29:47 *Can men and women be friends?
31:49 Knowing Mystery is alive and well
34:57 Doing panel shows and podcasts
35:40 How many people Mystery has helped
36:17 The Red Pill and the Manosphere
39:39 The concept of qualification
42:25 Attraction is hardwired in our psychology
44:16 Expressing DHVs
48:06 *Being a leader of men
49:43 *The willingness to walk away
51:26 *Reward compliance, not attention
53:34 Correlation between sales and pick-up
54:42 *The M3 Model
56:37 *Logistics
59:48 Having a delusional belief in yourself
1:00:35 Competence over confidence
1:01:20 Favorite places to travel
1:04:25 Fascination with AI
1:06:21 Issues coming back into the US
1:07:09 *Best US cities to go out
1:10:40 Matador
1:11:51 Goals for later on in your life
1:13:04 The secret infield videos
1:15:23 Living with Courtney Love
1:17:05 Social media makes girls not go out
1:18:19 What makes a good wingman
1:19:52 Attraction is not a choice
1:22:03 What to look for in a long-term partner
1:25:34 *How to get out of the friend zone
1:28:18 Working with Lovedrop
1:29:49 Working with Beckster
1:31:34 Doing more content
1:32:32 How Beckster met Mystery
1:34:08 Dividing up the business responsibilities
1:46:08 Attending podcasts and panel shows
1:37:05 Moving into a private life
1:39:00 Travel plans
1:40:03 Having a community forum
1:41:51 The first to create the pick-up industry
1:43:17 Social media

[@MichaelSartain]

Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 0:58 Having children 2:27 Meeting Mystery 5:10 Neil Strauss & Jessica Alba 6:08 Becoming famous and mainstream 7:29 *The changes in game in the last 20 years 12:19 *Direct vs indirect game 14:12 *“Don’t sexualize the conversation” 15:56 Integrating dating apps 17:42 Using social media to help your dating 19:11 Text messaging vs DMs 20:39 The pillow pit era 23:11 Using pre-selection 25:31 The dual-induction massage 26:46 *Instructing your girl pivot 29:47 *Can men and women be friends? 31:49 Knowing Mystery is alive and well 34:57 Doing panel shows and podcasts 35:40 How many people Mystery has helped 36:17 The Red Pill and the Manosphere 39:39 The concept of qualification 42:25 Attraction is hardwired in our psychology 44:16 Expressing DHVs 48:06 *Being a leader of men 49:43 *The willingness to walk away 51:26 *Reward compliance, not attention 53:34 Correlation between sales and pick-up 54:42 *The M3 Model 56:37 *Logistics 59:48 Having a delusional belief in yourself 1:00:35 Competence over confidence 1:01:20 Favorite places to travel 1:04:25 Fascination with AI 1:06:21 Issues coming back into the US 1:07:09 *Best US cities to go out 1:10:40 Matador 1:11:51 Goals for later on in your life 1:13:04 The secret infield videos 1:15:23 Living with Courtney Love 1:17:05 Social media makes girls not go out 1:18:19 What makes a good wingman 1:19:52 Attraction is not a choice 1:22:03 What to look for in a long-term partner 1:25:34 *How to get out of the friend zone 1:28:18 Working with Lovedrop 1:29:49 Working with Beckster 1:31:34 Doing more content 1:32:32 How Beckster met Mystery 1:34:08 Dividing up the business responsibilities 1:46:08 Attending podcasts and panel shows 1:37:05 Moving into a private life 1:39:00 Travel plans 1:40:03 Having a community forum 1:41:51 The first to create the pick-up industry 1:43:17 Social media

[@rippedup4546]

@Michael Sartain I visited Vegas recently and the vibe is so different. People are less social and there seems to be an underlying current of racism in Vegas these days. Not overt racism, but undercover racism. People are not even as playful on the strip as in previous years. Have you noticed that as well

[@lineupcomedy]

Evolutionary biology is bullshit. Strong focus on evolutionary.

[@Sidionian]

Awww look it's little five foot 7 Mikey Manlet again... Pretending to be 6 foot 1 with lifts and still only manages to get to five 9. Pathetic fake clown

[@lamrof]

The man himself. He learned his trick from African American players and made an academic subject out of it.

[@rippedup4546]

@@lamrof he don't spit game like a black man. LOL!

[@nicholasdemitro8768]

What a breath of fresh air to see him again... After so many years. Thank you Michael

[@businesswalks8301]

neil is jewish and bound to a Eastern European who forgot his roots, to bed Eastern European women who forgot theirs

[@brianmeen2158]

Thanks Michael for having Mystery on - he’s truly a legend in pick up

[@businesswalks8301]

neil is jewish and bound to a Eastern European who forgot his roots, to bed Eastern European women who forgot theirs

[@lucenceparency7870]

Erik's attitude toward social media is insightful. The problem is that, while social media scales, it scales for everyone. And that creates monopolies. Think of Amazon: Why does it crush local retailers? Because it's universally accessible. There doesn't need to be "another Amazon one town over." It's at everyone's fingertips. Social media works the same way. One high-status dude can reach more women than ever. He becomes a kind of monopoly. This is why in-person approaches are so powerful. In that moment, you're not competing against millions of other guys on social media. It's just you, her, and whoever else is in the room. It's a niche market.

[@aciuschristophores7789]

What a brilliant way of understanding and expression you have. You must be in Finance or Law. This was very insightfully diced by you.

[@Chadowsworld]

Well said sir

[@user-ou9hm8lg3f]

From a red pill lens, watching Mystery on this platform is like seeing a time capsule from the year 2000.

[@g30rg3d4y]

He is literally the knowledge king, and also can do it without instagram ect. amazing

[@danielstacked]

Saw mystery in 2019 at encore ebc nightclub in vegas running a bootcamp. 5 min later before i could approach him to say hi he was already pulling a 2 set one on each arm out of the club legend ❤😎

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Everyone who has seen Mystery offline vouches for his cold approach.

[@ultrafly100]

Every man watching this owes Mystery an enormous debt. He has probably saved more bloodlines than any living person.

[@selfmadeselfpaid13]

Mystery is the greatest to ever do it, and the greatest to ever teach it. No one can deny the effectiveness of his methods

[@IAmTheEggMan111]

Mystery just oozes charisma. Really impressive to behold

[@masteryoda498]

That’s debatable.

[@Paddythefatty]

@@masteryoda498 debate it then

[@masteryoda498]

@@Paddythefatty Mystery only picked up women, because (no homo here), he is 6'5 tall, good looking and has a full head of hair (not because of PUA/Game BS. As for charisma, Mystery talks in a boring, monotone voice, but women give that a pass, because they find Mystery physically attractive.

[@TheRumpelstinskin]

@@Paddythefatty He can't

[@danielthenatural]

@@masteryoda498agree, these dudes are so far removed from reality they don’t realize how weird the topic of pickup really is, cringe, and mystery speaks as if he’s some important mythical creature. His self importance comes off as try hard. Sometimes I’m like thinking OK bro are you done yet? He drags on and on about something so minuscule.

[@julz_7773]

Man, the over 40's crowd here will remember back when this guy was just a name on pickup message boards the world over, no videos, no photos, dial up internet, email and Nokia 3210's. Took his and other's tips and talked to girls in college and out and about ( no nightclubs, hated going to them) Met a gorgeous lady on the beach I dated for 4 years and it blew my mind that I bedded a complete stranger in a few days after implementing some of the advice he wrote about when all other men I knew in real life had zero clue, like me, about attracting women. This legend helped A lot of men back in the day

[@semprefidelis76]

I like your comment. Exactly true. I read the book the game. Started implementing few things. Started going to a gym away from my usual gym just to try things. Even learning to ask a simple open ended question like “Why” made a huge difference. At first it was difficult but then I was opening left and right. Even extreme hot girls, I was opening, if they came up with a quick witty reply and I choked and she turned away, it was like a game: your character died, re-start the game with another one. At that point, the game thing scared me, this is like a dark magic. The biggest problem of my life, the women is like completely reachable. I got scared a bit. Then I ended up marrying. And now I’m back in the game like 15-20 years later. I seriously regret that I didn’t get better at it. Fell in love too easy. But this Mystery guy is the o.g guy . Looks like he wants to come back. Went to a bar with a teddy bear in my hand once. Peacocking. I mean this guy is the legend.

[@southpaw8040]

I can't believe Mystery doesn't have a podcast. It would be easy money for him and it would put him back at the top of discussion instead if alway referring to the early 2000s. Good to see he's doing well.

[@facelessandnameless]

100%

[@desertraider8628]

Mystery is thee pua legend

[@andrewcowles5014]

Big win having him on your podcast!

[@GameGlobalOfficial]

Good to see a rare interview with Mystery. Clearly there are some angry people out there who are getting jealous of interviewing him. ; )

[@supernova4life1]

Yup Some John

[@Black-Circle]

female 10's

[@wilson_walker]

Thank you Michael for making this interview happen! I really enjoyed Mystery, the O.G. in pickup, back in the day!

[@stealth797]

Wait... what is this? Actual practical actionable Game advice?? The contrast between old-school PUA and new-school PUA (vague watered down PUA-lite) advice is so stark in this interview of the PUA godfather.

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Vintage pua was game in the purest form cold approach. Modern advice go gym get money

[@Soffex]

I know Rollo was probably watching this live and he lost his shit when Mystery said "incels" is the first word that comes to mind when he hears the word Red Pill 😂

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Red Pill is relationship game. Mystery got girls but was still blue pill in The Game and became a rekt coupling up with a thot

[@Black-Circle]

rollo is an incel

[@villaespesa1]

​@Black-Circle How is a married man with 42 notches a incel? 😅

[@Black-Circle]

@@villaespesa1 married men are sexless and 42 is pathetic if you take his word for it. also he married a woman 5 years older than him which goes against his advice. he's a fraud.

[@Black-Circle]

@@villaespesa1 rollo is an incel. he gets divorced then no woman is going after him

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Mystery definitely sticks to his method. 2 decades and he’s still talking about ACS and the 7 hour rule. He loves the cold approach

[@JohnStockton7459]

Its so cool mystery is still around, this was a pleasant suprise!

[@JohnStockton7459]

Man is michael a bad interviewer. Wasted oppurtunity

[@user-qw9jx8gv7h]

“Not using IG to attract women” based

[@brianmeen2158]

I liked that Mystery doesn’t seem to be a fan of hooking up online . Then again he’s a master of face to face pick up though and he truly enjoys it . Most guys do not enjoy playing the game like he does

[@g30rg3d4y]

@@brianmeen2158 he is completely next level, he is at the most advanced stage

[@user-yf4hv8vr3q]

He connected the dots between the creators in this space, answered the questions I have had in the last few years

[@todds.6028]

One thing that Mystery definitely has to his advantage...he has a natural smile.

[@trez6465]

He’s also 6”4

[@x97s]

That does help a bit haha ​@@trez6465

[@alejandromorales1904]

And also white

[@ogustavocruz]

Started listening as an KZbin suggestion with my screen shut off and was like whaaaat the Man himself Mistery, thanks for bringing him in Michael, Glad to see he is alive and doing well the man is a legend 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽

[@robsoul286]

Mystery #1. Owen Cook #2 . The Original's are the KINGS. GREAT CONTENT 💯👌🏽

[@Bodiesification]

owen cook is a fraud and scammer. You cant compare those

[@DaCoRBa1]

Dont forget Neil Strauss

[@traimarcum2365]

Owen ripped off mysteries ideas, started his own pickup company and turned it into a massive marketing campaign, and when I say ideas I mean business ideas, he left out a lot of mysteries good pickup advice. I’m surprised mystery did an interview with Owen.

[@DaCoRBa1]

Mystery and Neil lol@@zach9676

[@k.duelist4913]

John Anthony 🌈🌈🌈 Style

[@100foldreturn1]

That was truly an amazing interview. Thanks for sharing

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Mystery is a study in charisma. He’s captivating despite talking slowly and low energy. Somewhat monotone too

[@rippedup4546]

A lot of coaches advocate for being calm and relaxed. Or low energy as you call it

[@Dopaminando97]

It's not about having a high energy all the time, the game os more about matching the energy and having it under control, being able to go high and low and still look natural

[@mikewhite8848]

Ah, i see you don't know about the slow talk game. Talking very slow actually helps seduce women. It's like hypnosis, they hang on to every word you say as they anticipate you to finish telling a story or whatnot.

[@rippedup4546]

@@mikewhite8848 Hit the nail in the head

[@rippedup4546]

Always at high energy is try hard and gets close to dancing monkey

[@Wiley224]

This interview is your swan song. Great work Mr. Sartain.

[@MichaelSartain]

I’m not sure you understand what a swan song is.

[@pitpride1220]

​@@MichaelSartainEither that or he has ill wishes

[@NoSmoke2]

​@@MichaelSartain had to mean Magnus opus or something like that..

[@DanielGomez-mh9sv]

This is checkmate by brother Sartain on all them fking haters! Love the content Mike you bringing that good content now and always! I can truly say Mike brings consistently the same positively contagious energy as always!

[@Toyinsbello]

Well done!!!

[@noor811]

Wow, interesting interview, best part: "Pickup is supposed to be a love story".

[@chuck1052]

42:58 "Attraction is not a choice" - David DeAngelo

[@antonioc3768]

Absolutely brilliant !

[@MisterSkitso]

The Legend!

[@CharlieSheps]

Great to see Erik!

[@olivertaveras9896]

Yea mystery... thank u bro. This blew my mind

[@loak33tv]

Thank you Mystery 🫡🫡🫡

[@manupilux]

Pure gold after min 15. Attraction Comfort Seduction.

[@johnnybuck5850]

Happy to see he's still kickin

[@DivineLogos]

Mystery, his method and his TV show were ahead of its time!

[@clarkee5369]

this man is a treasure.

[@canofrockstar]

At 9:41... The "Perhaps for you" response 😂😂

[@nmartoudis]

Mystery keeping it real 😂

[@sumgi1537]

Yo Michael, those were some great questions dude!!

[@TheMaleRoleModel]

I love mystery. Never learnt from him sadly, and only knew him after RSD but he's clearly the king 👑 OG

[@AndrewFreeman-tn1sn]

Awesome podcast. Learned a lot of new information here. BTW Dan Bilzerian book the setup is a great read.

[@furtrapper11]

Mystery’s game is evergreen

[@theredlens]

The best quote of this entire live stream from mystery “doesn’t it just take one girl to make you happy” ?

[@colombianspanish]

Yes !! Come here 🇨🇴😻😻😻

[@michaelleventhal3974]

Great episode

[@aakashvarghese4006]

Mystery... The Dad of Pick Up!! ... Legend ❤

[@Firasoueslati]

Erik ! We missed you man!

[@nicacker9400]

That dude gave every man the tools and mind set to meeting women he was awesome and correct i mean it helped me through life in different ways cool to see him

[@thomasstanley1547]

Mystery is absolutely a king but he learned from Ross Jeffries aka Paul Ross. Allegedly, Magnolia the movie is based off of Paul Ross. I’m not saying Mystery didn’t materialize his own concepts but Paul has been a mentor in the background for over 40 years. Get him on the show!

[@TimAlwell1]

Great interview. Shoutout Scottsdale ✊

[@rickynunez3109]

we miss mystery!!! the world isn't the same with out him, hes not the business man hes the lady's man. he changed the world when he showed up years ago he tough us the world is a play grown but we just forgot

[@GiacomoVaccari]

I was JUST wondering what had become of him and thinking about how much we need him in todays world

[@darcel21ify]

Wow The great Mystery is solved, Mystery is here!😅🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ThomasEichholzer-bl6ws]

Cool to see him! About 2008 I got his book because of the tv show. I thought fuck that, let‘s try it. My first set ever, not even finished the book, was a three set, and I had like 5 more sets that night and got a wingman for years. Later I married, and after 10y I divorced. Now I‘m back at Neill Strauss‘ Rules of the game book. I looked up Mystery, the cooincidence he‘s back to public just now is insane. Best to you.

[@1st_agent]

“Your game changes when your goals change.”

[@bubbahexlord2954]

Mystery is a legend

[@frescoclean]

I used the M3 model and got into sales in 2016. I had no sales at experience prior and I don’t have a degree, but I became a senior leader last year lol

[@preciseaudioblog]

A truly artist

[@SupremeCobraCommander]

I literally wanted to create an interactive novel for the past 2 years. This guy is really smart. What a mystery he is...

[@mikeytree6907]

much love to mystery

[@rippedup4546]

I visited Vegas recently and the vibe is so different. People are less social and less playful

[@miracleman75]

The thing I’ve noticed about Vegas and LA you s that there are so many attractive women that the girls don’t think they are special. In a smaller party town the hit girls know they are hot and place more value on themselves.

[@rippedup4546]

@@miracleman75 Things have changed since Covid. Entitlement is at an all time high in Las Vegas

[@miracleman75]

@@rippedup4546 I’ll bet. I went last year but had my little kids with me so it was a different kind of trip. They loved Vegas.

[@rabbychan]

I wonder if Rollo's gonna have him on as well now that he knows Mystery hasn't read his books, lol!

[@Mand-kl8sy]

Rollos content is antithetical to what mystery teaches dude

[@user-yt9qd1hc6o]

​@@Mand-kl8sy No it isn't. In Rollo's books he always pays tribute to the PUA era and how it helped the red pill to be developed.

[@Mand-kl8sy]

@@user-yt9qd1hc6o rollos concept come from the mind of an incel dude. Red pill is incel mindset. Dudes that get girls don't give a f about intersexual dynamics LMAO

[@Tevyn843]

I want to rewatch the pick up artist now 😂

[@edwinsolano3083]

The legend and thanks to neil strauss they're the goats

[@Matt-fq6ly]

He needs to get Heartiste on next!!!!!!!!!!!

[@stealth797]

If we're going down that rabbit hole, he should get the most legendary PUA commentator from the 'Chateau Heartiste' blog and Rollo's 'The Rationale Male' blog: 'Yareally'... he put all the oldschool PUA advice,the newschool PUA advice, and RedPill advice all in one and made it make perfect sense.

[@Matt-fq6ly]

@@stealth797 I remember reading his comments. Pure gold.

[@williamclayton9566]

Have to find him first.

[@iamrossiam]

Hi Michael, thanks for this interview with the legend Mystery. Please be aware that Alan Roger Currie's Mode One approach is not a derivative of what Mystery started, as you incorrectly stated at 12:40. ARC's Mode One was inspired by a film from 1980 and the first version of his Mode One book was published in 1999. Please be precise when talking about a dead person who was so influential to this community.

[@Black-Circle]

ARC is dead! stop talking about that clown. His mode 1 did not work. not one video of mode 1 working on camera. not one!

[@Black-Circle]

mode 1 is BS.

[@anti-validation]

2 Timothy 3. First paragraph. Last sentence

[@13TrafalgarLaw]

Transforms to spiritual guru, look calm peacefull, deep inside and out

[@ralphfurley4217]

Sartain is OBSESSED with getting Mystery to validate Sartain's 'Social Circle' game theory in this video. There are many ways to meet girls. Mystery does cold approach. Sartain does social circles. Both work. This interview gets old because Sartian won't chill out on 'social circles' and pumping up his course.

[@alcoyot]

The logistics of moving or living in a major city or not the same at all as when he’s talking about. An apartment now in a major city will cost 5-7k a month, if it is halfway liveable and in a decent location. Additionally you cannot really be outside you need to Uber everywhere you go, because of homeless drug addicts on every corner. Probably about 40% of every American city is homeless. If you can afford that while still having time to actually put into going out, then it might be worth it. But it doesn’t work any more for a middle class person. It will strip you of every dollar basically ruining your financial future, and for that price you get to walk around with homeless drug addicts every day.

[@alchemyhendricks725]

Mystery still uses a rotary phone

[@desertraider8628]

He gets more outta life than way

[@e2thelp98]

Man I didn't realize how much intelligence pickup required. This is the first time I've heard of mystery. Seems very intelligent. Seems like a large part of pickup game theory is all about introspection mixed with realtime observation. Super interesting shit

[@manager4409]

its hard to know all the things he teaches without coming off neurotic and over-thinking. Youre either a drunk, spontaneous fun guy or youre as smooth as he is, theres really no in-between, it will come off as awkward.

[@Zelielz1]

He is the og of pickup. You should read The Game book. I’m happy I lived those times.

[@Chadowsworld]

Mystery is a legend. I think he might’ve been a fed 😂😂. Undercover feds use the same tactics

[@rogervenegas3802]

Natural game at its finest 🫡

[@virtuousvoice]

I like Mystery's idea of creating/uploading a face, then getting matches of women with the most similar faces on a dating app. Of course dating apps won't do this, as it would save guys a lot of time, whether they meet someone or not, and spend less money on re-subs to the app.

[@LeadLeftLeon]

What does this even mean?

[@anonymissed3611]

Attraction can happen very different than an abstract conception.

[@SuperKpill]

He still looks great

[@anonymissed3611]

I couldn't quite place his affect until he mentioned being a magician.

[@bedadays1763]

Mike.How did you quit alcohol? Tx 4 this interview with Mystery

[@UnpoquitodeEdicion-sm6eq]

Gracias de todo corazón, tankyou of(?) Heart

[@preciseaudioblog]

53:50 Big time.... say to a client “you shouldn’t buy this”... he’ll buy it all

[@alexloc1446]

🔥🔥🔥

[@mrlij6534]

he is right also about apps, they are so useless, they dont work

[@razer0072073]

27:43 28:23 28:50 37:55 44:17 50:05

[@wenxinhuang8763]

the father of the game

[@JohnnyBg2905]

Mode 1 is so misunderstood, man. It's painful how much people simplify it in a wrong way.

[@dylanb2086]

Mode 1 is more a philosophy/cult then a game system. The dudes who do it don’t have sex but will defend it no matter what

[@gregorycurrier8383]

By the House of Blues (Pillow pit house)

[@iNandobaby]

This is like living in the time that DiVince was alive

[@Tyler.flynn.16]

🗣️This was such a better interview then Owen Cooks

[@kevinschneider1707]

I know you said you don’t want to do more Infield mystery, but I’d really enjoy it if you ever did. Your show was a major turning point in my life as a late bloomer. I was so impressed. It would be nice to see more.

[@HeyImJanC]

If you go on youtube and search it. You will find it.

[@goon6932]

He lied he did infield fairly recent, tho it showed mostly magic and not much game

[@cheveuxfins1319]

I'm sad to have the impress that Mystery has lost the fire which animated him.

[@successbyanymeansnecessary]

It's the alabaster twins 😂

[@da835t]

Being indirect makes me cringe. Im definitely more direct in my approach

[@Cingular777]

If you can locate him Michael (as he disappeared about 7 years ago and abandoned his TheRealSinn KZbin channel 13 years ago), please interview Sinn (not Sin) who worked with Mystery and contributed some content to The Mystery Method. No disrespect to Erik, but I always considered Sinn to be a much better dating coach.

[@supernova4life1]

Yes Jon SInn....OG. I'm sure he's released a new product.

[@sponkmcdonk3898]

Mike pushing his product agenda lol

[@ralphfurley4217]

yup. it gets old

[@Extrapua]

9:39 ❤❤❤❤

[@theredlens]

Let me tell you for all the haters out there. This guy was, and still to this day if you pay attention has amazing information to give.