Onkyo TX RZ50 Setup and first impressions. DIRAC App, Dolby Atmos, DTS:X 3D Audio opinions.

Hey gang, the Onkyo TX-RZ50 may be hard to get but don't worry. The brand new 2022 Denon AVR-X3800H is just as good with the same features and available today. Currently, the Denon AVR-X3800H is my #1 prefered replacement for the missing Onkyo!
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Join me, tears and all, as I replace my Denon AVR-X4400H with a new Onkyo TX RZ50 Dirac 9 channel AVR, poke around in the menus and set it up for some sound tests. SPOILER: This is a fantastic AVR! I wish I could provide a link to it but NO ONE has it for sale yet.
WARNING... *NOT A TECHNICAL REVIEW*
My Dedicated Home Theater and Media Rooms are both fully equipped with Dolby Atmos and DTS:X 3D Sound while the Media Room has Dolby Vision and the Home Theater is HDR10 due to the projector limitations.
/ mancavecentral
Equipment Lists:
(7.2.4 Home Theater)
Denon AVR-X6400H AV Receiver: amzn.to/39Ty5MA
Klipsch Sound:
RF-7 III Tower Speakers - Front Channel: amzn.to/2Yhy8Q7
RC-64 III Center Channel Speaker: amzn.to/39Wx32A
RB-81 II Bookshelf Speakers Side and Rear Surround: amzn.to/2ZPYObd
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Silver Ticket Acoustic Projection Screen, 2.35:1, 158" Diagonal: amzn.to/39W9Z3P
Valencia Tuscany Home Theater Seating: amzn.to/3zuNrSJ
Twin Odin Subwoofers (See Build Video): amzn.to/3F6PWhr
Crown XLi3500 1350-Watt Amp: amzn.to/3in2hnO
RUIPRO 8K HDMI 2.1 Fiber Optic Cable 10ft 48Gbps: amzn.to/38wYMWx
(7.2.2 Media Room)
Onkyo TX-RZ50 AV Receiver
Klipsch Sound:
RB-81 II Bookshelf Speakers - Front Channel: amzn.to/2ZPYObd
RC-52 II Center Channel: amzn.to/3utCNKk
RP-150M Side and Rear Surround: amzn.to/3utD7sw
CDT-5800-C II 8" In-Ceiling Atmos Speakers (2): amzn.to/3B339W3
R-112SW Subs (2): amzn.to/39U9qaT
VIZIO P-Series Quantum X 85 Inch 4K TV: amzn.to/3utCaRc
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[@bearclaw5115]

Thank you for sharing your experience.

The subwoofer supports dual subwoofer. Page 15 : Up to two powered subwoofers can be connected. The same signal is output from each SUBWOOFER PRE OUT jack.

[@MancaveCentral1]

Yes, that is correct. However, both are not individually controllable, which was the context of the mention in the video.

[@JadeB628]

from looking at your setup and the issues you had playing different file formats and studdering playing back an audio file. could be one or a combination of two problems. one is your ethernet connection. and the second possibility is a bad HDMI wire. or incompatible HDMI signal. change your refresh rate both on the TV and in the Onkyo to 8k upscaling. (some HDMI wires say 8k on them, but they can barely play 1080p clearly. try using the same type of HDMI wires. (you don't need fancy wires) KabelDirekt 4k/8k wires will do fine. may I ask which Denon receiver you have there? and what made you choose the RZ50 over the Denon?

[@JayMammoth]

Replaced my Denon with the Onkyo RZ50, the Onkyo is way better. Dirac is amazing

[@MancaveCentral1]

I am extremely happy with the quality of the Onkyo but if you watched my video you'll know that it's also missing key Audiophile features found on the Denon's so technically it's not THAT much better for those that want access to their high res audio files.

[@1L3g3nd]

Which Denon did you have?

[@sammy10001]

Dude whered you buy it? I cant find it

[@JosephTongret]

@@MancaveCentral1 I saw that you weren't able to play flac or dsd files from your own storage. What I'd like to know is if tidal, qobuz, or Amazon music are able to be streamed in high resolution or native bit perfect? Also does it do any up/down sampling by default that your NOT able to turn off? Thank you for any info you can provide. It's very much appreciated!

[@razeel2580]

I would get an external cooling fan with the Onkyos. They are bad on reliability otherwise sound amazing!

[@jjlnguess7354]

So can you simply play the DSD HI-RES audio files through a PC or some other HI-RES audio device? Are you saying that it can’t stream the HI-RES through the Onkyo App alone? Thanks.

[@HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear]

Hi how's the Onkyo UI and software compared to Denon's? I'm coming from yamaha a3080 and marrantz sr7015. I absolutely hate the marantz/denon UI and software and hoping onkyo's as good as yamaha's. What's your take?

[@Safetytrousers]

In Nvidia panel you have to use the lower listed 4k for 120Hz, it's under the PC heading.

[@HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear]

Yeah he has to scroll down to the bottom in "Resolution:" to get 4k 120hz. I dont know why nvidia has to make it complicated for people.

[@jamescampbell3110]

Have you asked tech-support about any of the problems you were having?

[@donlew8222]

Awesome job! So do ya wanna come set my Onkyo receiver up? I have no idea what I'm doing. :-(

[@kellyutley510]

Bought my RZ about a month ago went back after about a wk had all kinds of issues, crutchfield sent me a new ASAP got the new one ran dirac and it set my PB16'S all the way to a negative 6 way too low but all in all not bad

[@zero450571]

I just bought the rz50 receiver. It's been only one day and built in chomecast had already got it bugging out and broken. I had to disable built in chromecast and factory reset to get it working again. Have you had any issues with the built in chromecast?

[@MancaveCentral1]

I don't have the receiver anymore. Please either reach out to Onkyo through their online support system or visit the AVS Forum, there are a lot of owners there to ask.

[@bikdav]

Sometimes “old” tablets get rejected by other components. My ‘way out of date’ iPod touch doesn’t work with much of anything now.

[@adinahirschmann3112]

Are you using the same tablet as with the Denon?

[@michael-4k4000]

CAN the HDMI output be mirrored output?

[@TJ_and_The_Mity_200]

Great video , Where do I find THAT Y CONNECTOR You are using to Bridge the subs ??? Thanks ;-)

[@MancaveCentral1]

That splitter is nearly 20 years old and no longer available. But there are several just like it and I provided a link to it in the description under my equipment list. Please see "Gold RCA Splitter".

[@orionzey]

If Just thinking for home cinema.. Which one do you find better.. your Denon or the onkyo?. Thanks in advance. Enjoy your review.

[@MancaveCentral1]

As much as I still love Denon, this Onkyo is the better choice for a Home Theater since the DIRAC calibration opens up 3D audio way better than Audyssey. Bottom line, no B.S. the Onkyo is great. If you need something NOW then Denon is the only choice since Onkyo shipments aren't expected till around December for yet another small batch.

[@orionzey]

@@MancaveCentral1 Thank you. I already have a Denon 4500..in my case I was thinking to Upgrade it.. As you have a similar combo much appreciated your suggestions. Thank you very much.

[@tracyfox1892]

I'm a PC gamer and currently use a Marantz 7012 and a Samsung Qn90A. My graphics card is a Geforce 3080Ti. Do you know if Gsync will still work if running through the Onkyo Hdmi?

[@MancaveCentral1]

I don't have an official G-Sync display to test that but I could force it in the settings since it's there and not greyed out. I'll likely discuss that in my future gaming video so please subscribe for that.

[@tracyfox1892]

Thanks. I just subscribed and will keep an eye out for it.

[@bolo71g]

I don't know if you were told the reason why you're not seeing some music files. It's because you're using the Onkyo PlayFi app limitation of DTS PlayFi. There's another Onkyo controller app, and you'll not have that issue.

[@luisvillamizar6404]

hola sr,como sé escucha el onkyó tx rz50 con discos de vinil, tendrá un buen sonido,gracias

[@summerfest1mike]

@MancaveCentral can you please tell me if the front little door that hides the buttons is supposed to close all the way? I just purchased an RZ-50 one and upon unboxing, I noticed the door was wide open in the box and now it doesn’t close all the way. 😳 I’m unsure if it’s supposed to close all the way or not. Thanks.

[@MancaveCentral1]

I have no recollection of that. It's been over a year since I last had the AVR, I go through gear so often... Check the av forums.

[@BakWardzMan]

Not recognizing some Audio files...a software issue I'd imagine. maybe this can be fixed with SW update?..so far n looking around, this is the one im geeting..love my Onkyo from 5yrs ago. I REALLY REALLY want the Marantz 8015..but tht might as well be $1millon bucks... its waaay outs of a day laborers reach.

[@6484mohan]

❤️👍👍Even I returned denon and bought onkyo rz-50, denon not even close to onkyo, onkyo sounds awesome even music sounds good 👍👍

[@gtifury310]

I just got the RZ50 today. DIRAC wouldn't connect to the receiver even though it can see it and I can ping it and I can get in the web gui. So I ran AccuEQ and am not impressed. Really annoyed so far.

[@tracyfox1892]

If you havent tried already you might need to right click on desktop, display settings, at the bottom of the new window, advanced display settings, then under refresh rate select 120hz. Sometimes Nvidia won't pick that up and you need to enable it within Windows. Then it will show up in the Nvidia control panel.

[@MancaveCentral1]

I did that and the 120 was there but the screen bumped down to 1024x768 75Hz. It wouldn't take the 120. I need to try another cable.

[@tracyfox1892]

I have had good luck with the Zeskit Maya 8K CL3 16'. Any of the Monoprice Hdmi 2.1 cables, I have tried them all, I get periodic image drop out. Nothing like that with the Zeskit.

[@leeh4722]

Really informative. Well done!

[@saltlakrids]

Won't you standing in the room affect the measurements recieved by the microphone?

[@MancaveCentral1]

I'm sure that would but I had to show the process for the video. Naturally, you need to be away from the mics audio paths.

[@kel108]

have you contacted Onkyo about the issues about file format compatibility for playing hi rez music files that are in their data sheet? Maybe some sort of update?

[@MancaveCentral1]

I have not. I never will since I am selling off much of my gear including the Onkyo.

[@peterbytano6600]

What are replacing the Onkyo with?

[@8474Starscream]

Awesome content. I was just about to pull the trigger on a Marantz SR7013 however after further review going to order the Onkyo TX RZ50 .......cleans up the HDMI 2.0 ( PS5 )and have a bit more confidence with pushing Definitive Technology Tower Speakers. Any chance you can measure the height of the receiver I see the specs online but I would like to see if Onkyo factors in the height with the feet installed. Also how is the power to your speakers did you really need to crank the volume or at about 60% for speakers to become alive?

[@MancaveCentral1]

About 60 on the dial, similar as the Denon it replaced. I use to have DefTech speakers and they need far more power than the Klipsch do. The AVR measurements are accurate and always include the feet.

[@8474Starscream]

@@MancaveCentral1 Thank you for the reply. Yes I definitley require an AMP. This will be more 1st go around with Onkyo glad I held out a bit. Huge Gamer....movie buff and an audiophile wanna be LOL! It appears the TX RZ50 offers a lot for the above mentioned without breaking the bank.

[@MancaveCentral1]

@@8474Starscream Having three HDMI 2.1 inputs that can support the major current gen gaming features was the only selling point for me. Had Denon or Marantz done something like that it would be their product in my home. But the Onkyo is now a contender after all these years.

[@JosephTongret]

Question for you in regards to the hdmi 2.wtf debacle. I'm a long time 2 channel enthusiast, but I've recently taken an interest in having proper home theater setup in my living room. I've spent a couple of months now researching and soaking in mass amounts of info so I can make informed decisions. I'm not really a gamer but my kids(12 & 17) are, so I'd like to not be neutered in the future if possible. I keep coming back to Denon x3700/4700 as what will work best for my needs, with the assumption that I can always run our xbox/ps through my TV's hdmi 2.1 port without any sacrifices and avoid the external hdmi switcher that Denon/Marantz can provide as a fix upon request. Am I correct in that, or am I going to create limitations in the future for myself? Sorry for the long question ❓👍

[@8474Starscream]

@@JosephTongret Ironnically I went with the Marantz SR7013 and to be honest very happy I made this choice. I just run my PS5 direct into LG which supports HDMI 2.0 problem solved. The Marantz kicks ASS! Pushing old school Definitive Technology Super Towers / Sandy Gross era and WOW!

[@adamkrauss303]

Just picked up this receiver and swapping it out for an older Denon going to replace another Denon in doffeeent room. In any event, can someone please explain the practical significance of using the different HDMI connections as far as GBPS speed. I see in this vid that the front HDMI has a much slower data speed. I was planning on hooking up my amazon firestick to that front input for 4K streaming. Should I be using a faster connection on the rear?

[@MancaveCentral1]

The faster HDMI are for 8K/60 or 4K/120. The rest all support the standard 4K/60.

[@michael-4k4000]

Any good? Want one…. Can’t get one….

[@maksymfrost8846]

Hey! Great review, thanks!👍 Got a question if you don't mind. Does rz50 have an analog output(3.5 jack) so you can listen to it with your headphones?

[@jdaviswarren]

It does have full-size 1/4" jack on the front panel

[@jdaviswarren]

The receiver supports headphones with impedances of 8 to 600-ohm also

[@maksymfrost8846]

@@jdaviswarren Got it, thanks a lot!👍

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

No serious amp/receiver would use a 3.5 jack for headphones. 1/4 is the standard.

[@bikdav]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMHSome of the ROTEL and CAMBRIDGE AUDIO amps have the 3.5mm.

[@DeanTWaters]

I've never been able to get my Onkyo to recognize DSD files. Same problem you're having. It's sees all the PCM formats and completely ignores anything DSD. The manual says it supports DSD, but it simply doesn't.

[@MrTchou]

Yes it does, i have SACDs and they are output in DSD by the sony player and played in DSD on my RZ70.

[@1L3g3nd]

Follow up video?

[@khobia2]

Hey I believe your pre-out does allow for 2 subwoofers. I have an old Onkyo NR-636 and I have 2 subs connected to that.

[@MancaveCentral1]

Two sub outputs... yes. But mono only, not individually controlled.

[@thiagodelgado3128]

Whats is more powerful 6700H from denon or onkyo tx rz50?

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

A simple Google search will tell you that. You're basically splitting hairs. Neither of these are particularly powerful, but are good enough for most applications. If you have a large room, lots of money and want big power, you wouldn't even consider one of these big box store receivers. You'd be going with separates that use big transformers and equal power per channel.

[@robertrobski1013]

I'm wonder if this reciver has graphics equalizer and how this thing push subwoofer

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

It uses Dirac Live, which is way beyond a graphics equalizer, but you do have some manual control with it I believe.

[@totalplonker824]

Returning the Denon 6500 and paying the extra for the arcam avr20 what's the best decision I ever made. To my ears the Denon sounded a little to digital compared to the analogue sounding arcam!

[@MancaveCentral1]

I would love to buy an Arcam but Denon/Onkyo are the sweet spot of features and cost for me. I have no sponsors or industry support so I must buy everything and I simply can't afford to go bigger or better.

[@georgemartinezza]

@@MancaveCentral1 hey man - always there will be a better than ours.!! you have a very good and so much better than my . . - _LG CM8430_ :D XD and mine is better than a basic soundbar. once we consider we have got a satisfiying device, everything else would be gain : )

[@av_rob79]

Great avr I got mine about 2 months ago. I am wanting to do a 7.2.4 setup and exploring my options on what external amp to use and what speakers to power externally. Are you using an external amp or plan on using one with this avr? I know I can't just power the front stage externally I have to power the rear surrounds as they share the same terminal as the rear heights. So options are (1) to just power rear surrounds (2) power rear surrounds and front stage or (3) power all 4 surrounds externally. Any thoughts or tips as to best way to get 7.2.4 would be greatly appreciated

[@Barleyleg]

Have you hooked an amp up yet? I’ve tried 2 different ones and I keep getting light distortion from the rear speakers. Switched outlets, wires, speakers, locations….all of it. It all points back to the Onkyo receiver. Just one of many disappointments I’ve had with this overhyped product. If/when I do it all over again, I’ll be steering clear of Onkyo. Hope you’re having better luck with it. Cheers!

[@av_rob79]

@@Barleyleg I haven't yet but planning on it soon. That sucks you are getting distortion, which amps have you tried? And do you use a power conditioner? And have you grounded the external amp? I'm still trying to decide between Emotiva BasX 4 and Outlaw 5000x.

[@Barleyleg]

@@av_rob79 OSD100 was my first try. Figured the .9% THD might be the cause. Then switched up to a Niles 2100 with .2% (I know - not much of a difference) and it was still happening. The amp is only for the RS’s so I didn’t want to sink too much into it. I’m actually going to be grounding the two together tonight, so I’ll keep you posted. But I’ve had HDMI disconnects, sound drops, OSD issues, etc - amongst other things. And I have issues gaming with it using my x90j (but part of that is Sony’s “fault”). I want to love the darn thing, but right now I just can’t. Out of curiosity, what speakers are you using? I’ve got Polk ES series across the board (except for FH - they’re Polk XT90). Thanks for reaching out! *EDIT* To add to the above, down the road I’d like to add amps for the other channels, but not if they’re going to sound like the rears. The fronts were distorted, too, when I tested those with the amp. Cheers!

[@av_rob79]

@@Barleyleg Hey thanks for replying, I have a mix of speakers, towers and center are Soundstage Atmosphere (only available in Canada at Visions) Fluance bipolars for side surrounds and 4 Kef uni-q in-ceiling speakers and two 12" subs (Polk and Soundstage) I'm planning on powering all 4 surrounds externally and let my avr power the remaining 7. I'm fairly new to home theater setups but I would think distortion after adding an amp would most likely be a grounding issue so please keep me updated if that was the cause. I hope you get it figured out.

[@Barleyleg]

@@av_rob79 Will do! I’m new to it all, too. But just a thing of note with the RZ50….if doing a 7.x.4, you MUST power the rear surrounds with an external amp (from what I understand). RS and Height 2 are the same input and are assignable, not separate - choose either one or the other. I could be wrong, though.

[@Audiomainia2310]

If you're using a Playstation 5, the RZ-50 most definitely plays 4K/120 Hz. See Andrew Robinson's video of this receiver to clarify. DSD files do work - I think you need more time with it.

[@MancaveCentral1]

Yes, the new consoles are fine. Plus, I discovered DSD doesn't work on the DUNE 4K streamer I've been testing either but only if over the network. Once I copied the files to a SSD and plugged in via USB they did work. I plan to try that on the Onkyo this weekend.

[@cainification]

Didn't the Denon's fix the bug now so they can also pass-through 4k 120hz? Or was that just for a specific model. Overwhelmed with all the options right now, learning about receivers and testing to find the best I can get for under $1500

[@Audiomainia2310]

@@cainification I believe the 2021 models from Denon have had the HDMI 2.1 issues resolved, but I've not tested one yet to confirm that. Anything from 2020 requires a box Denon supplies at $299.00 as a workaround.

[@thiagodelgado3128]

@@cainification seems the denon 6700h have onLY ONE HDMI 2.1? Is that true?

[@mobbman1]

Did you know that you can test out the hdmi cables on the Onkyo reciever to tell you if they pass for the hdmi 2.1 spec for the bandwidth? I believe you go from the hdmi 1 input to the HDMI out input marked 8k sub. Now dont quote me exactly on this but im 75% sure. Def do look it up as Im not seeing the buttons on the reciever because I believe they are under the front panel.

[@Mike_v_E]

Where did you buy this? Wondering when it will be available in Europe

[@theycallmeoskar9388]

Talked with the distributer for onkyo EU and they told me they're expecting the shippment for the rz50 model on 1st of March 2022.

[@BigDay020]

@@theycallmeoskar9388 rip

[@gerardorequenes7947]

Good day, can you support me? I just bought my rz50 but I can't get it to play dolby atmos on netlix, my TV isn't 4k, it's full hd, my player is an izzi encoder that they give you here in Mexico according to it's hdr and dolby atmos connect it directly to the receiver so that it detects atmos but it does not do it I do not know if I have to configure something greetings

[@briand9763]

Even though you don’t have a 4K TV, I believe you must still pay for the 4K streaming tier to get ATMOS with Netflix.

[@KalioJay]

Did you ever get 4K 120hz working?

[@MancaveCentral1]

Yes, needed a different hdmi cable and it was fine.

[@nickkasen4753]

Not sure if it was made clear but i would think the reason 8k is not working for the PC is because the RTX3090's HDMI port most likely doesn't support it. (disregard this if your using a display port Adapter)

[@MancaveCentral1]

It was the cable, nothing else.

[@bmwx5m226]

3000 Series has 2.1, RTX 2000 are still using 2.0b.

[@hdtv00]

Hey wookie the second you went to nvidia panel I knew what you did wrong. That will NEVER show 120 hz. You have to go down to PC in the Nvidia control panel to get 4k 120 hz. It never shows up under the tv setting option for whatever reason.

[@MancaveCentral1]

I did all that and can confirm my hdmi cable is not up to snuff. Once I tried another certified cable it worked but ran into more problems. My TV does not support vrr above 60fps even though it's rated for 120fps. Even the rtx 3090 relies on vrr to run games without tearing but the TV wigs out. Bottom line, the vizio p series quantum x is trash for 4k/120 gaming.

[@cainification]

@@MancaveCentral1 LG OLED CX all the way

[@pwnzstar]

What speaker cables are you using?

[@MancaveCentral1]

I make my own from oxygen free 14ga copper.

[@thewishmastur]

How do you enable Dolby Atmos on the rz50???

[@gilpvfin868]

It only appears as a listening mode option when the source material has been recorded in that format. For example, when I stream Dune on HBO Max and I toggle through the listening modes, Dolby Atmos appears as one of the options. There is not that much Dolby Atmos content available.

[@ryansimmons3583]

Where did you purchase the Onkyo? Appears to be sold out everywhere

[@MancaveCentral1]

The online vendor would not sponsor the videos or provide a promo code to my viewers for anything so keep that in mind. AVScience.

[@josedesouzajunior6688]

I get mine this week 12/12/22 on Amazon

[@user-sx7mb2vl5e]

❤wow nice music onkyo❤

[@danemoreno88]

The denon has a total power rating of 710 watts how is it more then onkyos 850 watts ??

[@lifecode7634]

[@joshmccarty1983]

Why wouldnt you move the chair out of the room ehen running dirac? Wouldnt the chair hinder sound waves being projected to the mic

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

You want the room set up as it would be when you're listening to it. The mistake he made was not raising the mic to ear level. It's possible Dirac Live directions advised to keep the mic lower than ear level (I haven't used Dirac Live), but I doubt it.

[@TheLkdude]

@Mancave Central, Does RZ50 allow individual channels to be assigned to an external amplifier ? , since it has pre-outs it allows this, but I am interested to know if individual channels can be assigned to an external amp independently.

[@MancaveCentral1]

I don't have a good answer for you. What I know is the Onkyo offers 11 channels of processing with only 9 channels of power with the expectation of the customer adding an additional 2 channel amp to get those last two height speakers going. With that logic, I would assume the AVR allows the same flexibility on the other channels but without having any external amps to test with I can't say for certain. I can't believe that the entire 11 channels of pre-amps are not receiving a signal in which to power however you want.

[@TheLkdude]

@@MancaveCentral1 , appreciate it , thanks, there must be a menu option indicating PRE OUT or EXTERN .. or something on that line for each channel

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Maybe I don't understand your question. You physically connect the external amp into what pre-out channel you desire. That's how they're assigned. My concern is the voltage coming out of the pre-outs, 200mV on Onkyo's spec sheet. Someone on another forum said that is WAY below the standard of 2V and some external amps may have trouble detecting the output at 200mV. I need to do more research into this because the main reason I would buy this clunker is to be able to use the pre-outs with my external amps (and to have access to Dirac Live as well as HDMI switching). If Onkyo has botched the pre-out stage, this POS is useless to me.

[@PumpUptheJam81]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH It has been measured to 3.5V output. I had the same concern.

[@sumitagarwal3788]

Hi mancave central. Can I ask a question since you have expertise on this avr? Would this avr allow me to use the pre out to connect a 3 channel external amp for fronts LCR ? And drive the 2 surround and 2 ceiling and 1 subwoofer through avr internal amps? On some AVR, all of the pre out are either on or off, that's my concern for this AVR

[@MancaveCentral1]

I can't answer that or check that for you since I do not have any external amps for testing. I have pleaded with manufacturers to send me review equipement for various reason but no one will cooperate. Maybe someone on the AV forums can confirm that for you.

[@sumitagarwal3788]

@@MancaveCentral1 thanks a lot for replying. Wish you luck with trying to get manufacturers to send their products over to you for tests. Would you then make its film and shoot to put on yohtube? These videos are popular amongst buyers for for making decisions

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

That's the entire point of the pre-outs. Whether they work or not is another story. The output voltage on this unit is apparently a measly 200mV when it should be a minimum of 2V. How/why did Onkyo botch this?

[@michaelbass5951]

Just picked one up today to go with the new Klipsch Reference series 😁

[@Beast-mf7br]

looks like you're knees would be touching the screen from there lol

[@6377shane]

It's does do 4 high atmos?

[@MancaveCentral1]

According to the manual the AVR can do 5.1.4, as long as your configuration remains within the 9 amplified channel limit you can power two ceiling. However, by adding an external 2 channel amp you can utilize the 11 channel processor for 7 around and 4 on top or any number of other configs you desire. The manual found at Onkyo's website is very detailed on the the channel options.

[@6377shane]

@@MancaveCentral1 ok thanks for the info. I watched the speakers configuration I must of missed something I'll watch again. I pre ordered with Crunchfield Hopefully I'll get it soon.

[@frantisekhajda5684]

Hi everyone interested in new AV receivers. I'd like to know your(s) opinion(s) on Onkyo TX-RZ50 vs. Denon AVC-X4700H in terms of audio and video quality. Denon's AVRs made after May 2021 should be all hdmi 2.1 bug free, not sure, but they should have same upgraded NUVOTON decoding chip. New Onkyo is missing Auro 3D what i was expecting and it's kind of deal breaker for me and do not know if there is possibility to add it later by firmware update.

[@JayMammoth]

Dirac is amazing, it is way better than any of the other room correction the others use. But I would go with the Denon if you can find it since who knows when anyone is getting the RZ50s in stock.

[@glenn4452]

If the serial number ends from 70000 and up it has the new chip

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

@@glenn4452 - Supposedly. I had a failure issue with a Mazda car radio. They promised S/Ns after a certain range were fixed. I bought one outside the "bad" range and it too eventually failed with the same problem the original one had.

[@kavianwray9565]

Are u selling the Denon

[@MancaveCentral1]

I am not

[@yazidrashid7457]

bro..may I know ur room size...tq so much

[@MancaveCentral1]

14'x11'

[@yazidrashid7457]

@@MancaveCentral1.. tnx a lot for sharing..my cave is an even smaller 11'x8'8'' Budget system Denon AVR-X1500H 5.1.2 with Epson EH-TW5650 1080p projector/IKEA roller blind grey as screen 😉

[@MancaveCentral1]

That is just my gaming room, the dedicated theater is 14'x22' and shown in my other videos. The "Mancave" for me is the entire basement consisting of the gaming/media room and then the adjacent blacked out home theater.

[@yazidrashid7457]

@@MancaveCentral1 ya..i have just seen ur part 9 video.. awesome serious home theater..like very much the design scheme..the dark grey color ..and the very discrete looking wall to wall transparent screen ..niiice..very good job bro

[@cmsgtgoose6334]

This sounds like such a nightmare to set up. I dread this.

[@MancaveCentral1]

You don't have to. It's there if you want to fine tune things but you are still free to manually adjust your levels the quick and easy way. In fact, there are so many AVR options in the market right now you can do anything.

[@cmsgtgoose6334]

@@MancaveCentral1 Dude, thank you so much. This is just overwhelming probably because I guess I am just getting old. I wired my basement with two Atmos speakers and now trying to decipher height speakers, presence speakers, and all that. I think I jumped in too deep. Ha!

[@dperr338]

Why are you crossing over your speakers at 40 and 50 hz? That is way too low especially for the small speakers you are using.

[@generynkewicz4871]

The smaller the room the more likely you will need subwoofer calibration.

[@MancaveCentral1]

Despite my comments on that I will still look into a full calibration. The DIRAC calibration I did in the vid was a revelation in itself after I demoed Atmos material. WOW.

[@simon3461]

Onkyo is a very sucessful company with great products ! But why are this receivers so rare ? Why don't they push out millions of parts ?? I cannot buy it anywhere in Germany...

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

It's called Covid. Where've you been?

[@raizt1596]

There have been issues with Onyko declaring bankruptcy and decisions about who would take over manufacturing and shipping. If you want this receiver I wouldn't give up though. There is still nothing better in this price range. It is currently in stock at Best Buy in the US.

[@TheHotDogGang]

can you get tidal with this reciever?

[@MancaveCentral1]

Yes and I covered that in my review, please go watch it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHyyeKqJg8SJr7M

[@venkataramaraomangu]

* No Auro-3D or DTS Virtual:X * Remote could be better * Extremely hard to find available stock

[@justinbyrne5736]

CD quality Flac Files are good enough, don't know why people bother with hires stuff, not better to my ears

[@NirreFirre]

Science shares your conclusion. Sampling rate and bit depth of a normal CD was decided after a lot (a LOT!) of studies of human hearing, audio reproduction and the most extreme variations of content in terms of dynamics, range etc. There's not a single study to be had regarding the virtues "hi def", mqa or whatever the latest marketing acronym is. Your ears and room further limits the need of more that the Redbook CD spec (44.1kHz/16bit) if not your gear (most AVRs thrash digital stuff to 12-14bits, see Audiosciencereview tests) process it to even lower bit depths

[@MancaveCentral1]

I'm not getting into that, but my comments in the video were strictly based on facts and the Onkyo will not read the file formats it advertises while the Denon does. It's same argument when people say you can't tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps. Under the right conditions people can enjoy the formats they want.

[@yeahright3733]

@@NirreFirre Most audio equipment does even have the fidelity required to properly reproduce 44khz, 16bit resolution let alone anything of higher resolution. So of course there will not be an audible difference on a great majority of audio systems. There are some systems that can do better than CD quality and you can hear the difference in the cases where the higher resolution files are indeed sourced from higher resolution sources. There are more subtle aspects to how sound is processed by our ears and brain that are not fully accounted for in the Nyquist limit. The Nyquist limit is a lower limit that is mathematically the lowest amount of rate and bit depth to reproduce a 20hz to 20khz bandwidth signal. The Nyquist limit has nothing to do with how our ears and brains process sound.

[@AntonioGarcia-xk6jd]

Are you interested in selling your Denon AV?

[@MancaveCentral1]

Sorry, I can't. I'm using it.

[@scotty2221]

How do you have the Onkyo TX-RZ50? It's not even out yet homie.

[@Beast-mf7br]

they've been out since june

[@IndikaRatnayake]

Gold plated RCA.. more snake oil. :)

[@MancaveCentral1]

sssssssss

[@WindomRettes]

The tea leaves stated that Onkyo was going under.

[@TheSameer37]

Thought Onkyo is bankrupt

[@kalexan9]

You thought wrong. Onkyo was aquired by a joint venture between Premium Audio Company and Sharp Electronics Corp.

[@gina4008]

I just bought the Onkyo TX NR7100 and didn't have a clue either about Dirac Live. I found video on KZbin that was VERY helpful. Hope this helps you.... (Also, I used my laptop to download Dirac, tablets just didn't cut it.) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ7MkqONardqnpo

[@Shawn-fu3mp]

Who the hell uses RCA's these days???

[@alfredbrown7608]

I hate you have to do All this firmware update when buying a new receiver everybody doesn't have internet wish you could just get the unit hook it up and use it like you used to could do

[@MancaveCentral1]

Firmware, taxes and death are the unavoidable trifecta of being alive.

[@alfredbrown7608]

😄 So true buddy

[@ericmatthews8497]

7 months on.. and you still can't buy these things. The industry appears to be dying.

[@raizt1596]

No, not dying. Everyone is building home theaters since covid and they are selling out of them.

[@lawrenceeshoo5628]

this unit is sold out in this country .. FJB