Ontario universities worried about financial impact of study permit cap | Power & Politics

[@theowoytowich9959]

I guess the universities will have to adjust to the financial realities like everyone has to these days.

[@FERNANDOAUGUSTO-fv1ck]

And i advise the universities to open shop overseas where the students come from

[@HamoonRandoms]

Perhaps if university degrees were worth a damn other than to people wanting to immigrate here and work in a warehouse, this would matter more to Canadians.

[@bmir89]

They are worth a damn if you've got self direction and are focused. The reality (that most uni student won't admit) is - they don't know what they want to study, they just want to extend their high-school lifestyle of no responsibility. I would know, I did it lol, and that mentality was pretty widespread. So most end up in some bachelor's curriculum for arts or science.. or other nonsensical area of study that is useless in the real world. Which yes in that case, their education isn't worth much at all.

[@estycki]

It’s likely the useless degree programs help fund the more useful degree programs that require expensive equipment

[@babacargueye5343]

I notice that you invite only people who are against this ban as they will see their multi-million dollars scam stopped. Why don't you for once invite Canadians who are compelled to compete for housing and jobs because of this influx of millions of students who do not come here to study but rather to get a quick path to Canadian citizenship?

[@theowoytowich9959]

Agree

[@apprenticephil649]

It’s the CBC that’s why. 2 more years and they will be cancelled. 😂😂😂😂

[@Nothing-fp7jg]

CBC doing what CBC does. It doesn't report the news, it pushes narratives.

[@glintrhmj]

Nah they are worried about their own pockets and also the execs pockets

[@gajorg69]

I guess universities will need to recognize the need for austerity and maybe cut some of their frivolous admin and student luxuries.

[@HasnainBrohi-v3s]

Most international students in these colleges are there for PR, have country based cap on PR and the issue is solved. No rocket science needed here.

[@rettbutler1312]

Ask him what the salary of a tenured Arts professor is - it's WELL over $100k with very few hours of work per week. SOME Science profs run labs year-round; but once an Arts professor has tenure, the required publishing drops off... they can never again be required to publish ( they give up some merit pay but not that massive 6-figure base). They teach 2 courses a week (3 in-class hours per course, office hours by appointment, low prep if teaching courses they have taught before, and often an assistant to do the grading). They do this for 26 weeks per year, and the other 6 months are for "research" and vacation. A lot of them go to Europe, their cottages - you name it. Your tax dollars at work. Tenure is a farce. Reduce professor salaries to pay your bills. (I was a professor - I speak the truth on this).

[@shawnbenz]

Tenured get 130,000 buddy to 150,000

[@rettbutler1312]

@user-dp9fv5ok1d Yes, and the argument for their wages, along with some business professors, is that they could be making a lot more in the private sector; but to me, that's a job choice. They'd have to be very famous lawyers and invited to teach for that to apply, and few are. And, as you mention, they don't stop practicing. A lot of them building advancement resumes with that gig, and a lot just prefer the shorter hours and less stress - that's a choice. What I know for certain is that all tenured profs are far overpaid on taxpayer backs; of course, more than half the faculty - all with the same credentials - are offered only "part-time" contracts, which are just over poverty wages without benefits. Argument is they are not required to publish (they almost all do to try for better jobs) or to sit on committees (many do, as part-time members, to build their resumes - free labour). Good news is you can find every tenured prof in Ontario on the Sunshine list! Look through the faculty names on the school site and plug them into the Sunshine Search.

[@rettbutler1312]

@user-dp9fv5ok1d Good points. I would note 1st that those tenured salaries are paying for 26 weeks of 6-hour-per-week teaching per year (so a half-time private sector job, even if they fill 8 more hours a day with prep or research), and that part-time faculty are often highly motivated as they are usually trying to get full-time contracts - they teach with preparation and energy, they keep publishing (unlike the tenured Arts professor who no longer needs to publish), and they hold the same PhDs as tenured profs ( they are residual damage of the education industry taking tuitions from people for whom they know there will be no good jobs). The ones working 14-hour days (for 26 weeks a year) are likely in Science running labs or just prefer not to go home ( I knew one who didn't like the noise of his 4 kids so went to the grad club for supper every day, did a bit of reading in his office, then went home for 8 pm - I'm pretty sure he claimed a 14-hour day of academic emergencies! She eventually divorced him.) Most profs do not stay past supper time, and then do a lot of socializing through the day - unless they are, in fact, writing a book or doing a lab experiment (requiring a lot of waiting around usually done by grad students). The job simply doesn't have that many hours of work attached to it. And it's literally just 26 weeks a year that they have to have their butts at the office and get off them to teach for 6 hours a week. That is simply not comparable to the workload or the just 2-6 weeks off a year in the private sector. I've worked in both - I've seen this 1st-hand.

[@rettbutler1312]

@shawnbenz Yup, it's ridiculous, but I know some making more than $150k. In law and business, they often get what they would get if they chose to work in the private sector. AND if a professor does a 5-year stint in administration, at an even higher salary, when they go back to teaching? THEY KEEP THE ADMIN SALARY AND IT KEEPS GOING UP FROM THERE!! 😅 Find some names on faculty websites in Ontario and look them up on the Sunshine list.

[@rettbutler1312]

@user-dp9fv5ok1d Got it - so you do know that lots of poverty part-timers are actually working very hard to secure full-time contracts. I would agree that some who have been left languishing and working secondary jobs for decades may be bringing bitterness and boredom to the job, but so are many of those lazy tenured profs. Tenure needs to be abolished in favour of an achievement-based system of compensation. It was invented to ensure that professors could have free speech for their more controversial research, but nobody has free speech in Canada any more, least of all on university campuses, and controversial research no longer gets approved, so tenure is not needed.

[@dennyc9159]

Universities never lay people off, rather they seem to just be getting bigger and bigger. Perhaps now is the time for them to make some cuts. And they can do so and not have any impact on education or research. There's a fair bit of admin and auxiliary jobs that can go and no body (other than the campus Tim hortins) would notice.

[@NowAndToEternity]

Maybe it is 2024 and citizens realized that university degree dont worth what they used to. Meanwhile, tuition is increasing more and more while they are advertising classes like gender study. However, it is incredibly worth it to international students from a developing country once they realized that is an easy key to immigrate to Canada legally.

[@Z1TFRIT]

They don’t worry about Canadians and Canada , only their pockets

[@NMB_0001]

These people are only just concerned about their personal pockets, has nothing to do with the future of students. That’s why they charge 5 times extra fees from the international students.

[@shauncameron8390]

Nah. It's due to to provincially imposed price (tuition) control for local students

[@MADDMACGAMING]

Cut the DEI department - probably over 275 million in savings right there.

[@MyColcana]

In Quebec is the same. Not only tenure Profs make more than 150k yearly while part time teachers with same or more skills and degrees earn only by taught credits. In addition, high administrators make excentric salaries, for example, McGill Principal and Vice-Chancellor Suzanne Fortier’s $800,000+ salary for the 2020-2021 pandemic academic year is just the tip of de iceberg.

[@shauncameron8390]

Only for Anglo institutions.

[@TheDarkPorkins]

Oh woe is me...what did they do before International Students?

[@steventalik4782]

Ontario government use to fund Universities and colleges at the average rate. The freeze happened 5 years ago.

[@shauncameron8390]

@@steventalik4782 With Kathleen Wynne in charge.

[@Glipsnarp]

Why to these schools have to spend tons of money of sculpures and signs. I hope most of these useless schools close down

[@waynecanada6104]

Indoctrination centres need an overhaul. Maybe it's time to "reimagine" that entire system

[@kenelliott6897]

The government should do a full investigation into the universities. They are over burdened with Administrative bloat and waste!

[@rennieterbogt1202]

OVERPAID AND THE GRAVEY TRAIN IS RUNNING OUT. TO MUCH MANAGEMENT AND NOT ENOUGH WORKERS.

[@bluejackscanada]

What? We need more Gender Studies Programs!!!!

[@TheKingbuttar]

Wow greedy much? Education should be free anyways. It's their greed that allowed so many students here in the first place

[@thimblemunch24]

That doesn't make sense. Less students should mean less costs to. Housing our own people is more important then universities bottom line. Do better.

[@shauncameron8390]

Less students = higher costs to make up for the losses or more programs and courses eliminated.

[@thimblemunch24]

@@shauncameron8390 That doesn't make sense in any business... Less students means less costs cause less teachers, less paperwork, less space, etc. Heck it would be less heat bills. Anyone saying it would cost more is a greedy lying SOB.

[@mandeepdhaliwal8607]

Two year cap hmmmm…just enough time till after the election…

[@rettbutler1312]

Yes, it needs to be permanent and to have a lot more safeguards against using it as an immigration tool. I know 4 foreign students from India who came here to grad school and immediately started looking for full-time jobs. One joined the grad students' union and, based on experience gained there, now has a 6-figure job with a huge Canadian union that could have gone to a Canadian - he quit his PhD as soon as he was hired. He will become a citizen next month. Everyone in his office is an Indian immigrant who did the same thing - they told him ahead of time, the job was his, and that a promotion is coming in 6 months. No Canadian-born people seem to work in or get hired in this particular office - they help each other out.

[@mukesharora2053]

International students, a big scam of universities, colleges and shop colleges. They have agents who brought students and are paid hefty compensation and on the other hand these institutions charge at least 3 times of their regular fee. Students are assured of work permits and later the PR. So it is a back door entry. But now no jobs, even Canadian citizens are losing jobs and replaced with these students. It is alleged that There are colleges who do not have enough qualified teaching staff are running there show. Failing the students in semesters and asking them to re-register for failed course and pay again and so on. I am sure these college students with the new qualifying points for PR is around 540+, they will never be able to make after completion of 2 year work permit. Is the govt realizing this or then they will say, oh you go back which has already happened with so many students. Are we heading for a big mess in future? I request the honourable minister to investigate at least these colleges, Are they equipped with Qualified Faculty members and are they intentionally failing their students to get more money as tuition fee?

[@Andy.mikhail137]

You should see the pockets of everyone else...not just universities

[@VoiceBootcampInc]

International students should not be eligible for work permits until their third year of study. Companies employing international students should incur a 20% surcharge tax if they are unable to hire locally, to discourage the preference for international hires over local. The revenue from this tax could be used to fund training for locals in trade skills. Furthermore, all private colleges should undergo thorough reviews and investigations and closed down if they have to rely more than 50% on international student. Permanent residency should be restricted to individuals holding Master's and PhD degrees. All other international students should return to their home countries and apply through the skilled worker category. Alternatively, most programs could require international students to start their studies online for the first two years, in fields like Business Administration or other subjects that do not require physical equipment or laboratories, before coming to Canada for the latter part of their education, it will save students as well as less pressure on Canada. International student should live on campus facility only. Institute should invest in campus facility for them. Any unused room or space can be put on AirBnB or rent to locals. This will reduce the pressure on local housing market and it will prevent 3 bedroom house from becoming 12 bedroom dorm.

[@gurirandhawa8301]

They don't worry about Canadian and Canada, these college, and universities only worry about their pockets

[@barnabuskorrum4004]

Nationalize Education. Imagine closing school over profits. What a joke.

[@jptrainor]

Hey! Don't mess with our cash cow!

[@gurirandhawa8301]

Significant move by Canada government

[@chrisg5853]

No problem dont put a cap but then each school should go through an audit and meet very strict standards to be able to accept international students.

[@FaisalKhan-ur4xg]

There is no CAP on universities, not sure why they are complaining? If may be possible their student intake grows as colleges are capped. Instead of paying agents for student hunting pay same amount as scholarships to incoming students so that you get the best world-wide talent

[@ArceusRiver]

lol this guy about to take revenue hit.

[@PatB35]

The Provinces cut funding for public education for Canadians with the idea they would sell degrees and citizenship to foreign students at the same time Poilievre and Cons complained about too much immigration as the root of all evil, the feds fault .Now the feds have done as asked,reduced numbers, and provincial under funding is an issue being ignored by those who profited from it or sold degrees

[@FERNANDOAUGUSTO-fv1ck]

😂😂😂😂

[@ahwarii]

Short term solutions, not long

[@Damazzzo]

Universities/colleges need far more government and private sector oversight. For decades, students are being misled to study at post-secondary institutions which have programs that lead nowhere economically. Most programs should be eliminated and narrowed to suit the professions that are needed. The Canadian government has caused irreparable harm to peoples lives by being negligent for too long. Students end up regretting their studies and in massive debt. When you’re young and inexperienced, it’s easy to be misguided and study the wrong path. Then graduate for what, to be laid off by a fiat controlling Canadian oligarch! At this juncture, most universities/colleges are self-serving financial predators rather than lifters of economic prosperity. The fact that this hasn’t been addressed a long time ago by government, displays reckless carelessness of citizens or organized malice to keep students in debt.

[@claskebakx8392]

Universities and colleges are dangerous institutions, save your kids, keep them home and teach them life skills

[@ronl1633]

CBC always puts a liberal spin on the news.

[@gerrym274]

Where are they suppose to live, really, on the streets.

[@user-gd6rp5cqp]

You should worry about total auto industry shut down in Ontario, permanently. Thank sunny ways and the Gibb for that due their war onnoil and gas.

[@michael5366]

How come we never hear politicians will take a 50% pay cut.

[@aetherfox4404]

Another raise incoming April 1st by 4%, April Fools!!!! No joke though for real, Justin will get paid even more with our own money for screwing us.

[@peterstrods6011]

Jordan Peterson to start his online university degree at a fraction of the cost of these garbage universities charge

[@AlbertaleoAlbertalei]

Your a educational facility. If you can't successfully run your school? 😔

[@harryjung6767]

Canada needs to be like Australia one day. Australia reformed student visa system a month ago by strengthening rules against onshore visa hopping and graduate visas won't be granted to anyone over 35 years of age. Australia increased English test scores for student visas and graduate visas by 0.5 points, which means that anyone who would like to apply for student visa must score 5.5 on IELTS and 6.5 for graduate visas. Also Australia scrapped visas and permanent residency given to wealthy individuals who invest $5 million or more few days ago. Nowadays, Australian visa system is geared to skilled workers who have 2 years or more experience on each occupation lists, which means that these skilled workers now have a pathway to the permanent residency after two years with one employer. However, these skilled workers must find an employer who is willing to sponsor them and pay them at least $70,000 or more per year. If graduates cannot find employers who pay them $70,000 a year or more, then there is no pathway for them to stay longer in Australia. THIS IS WHAT IS REALLY NEEDED IN CANADA!

[@dwightsaunders6227]

😂😅...so much for those courses such as....The study of air....Paint drying #101....why snow is cold..etc. They'll have to minimize their staff so the big dogs salaries won't be affected! Do a 5 year study program to get out and be unemployed...with debt. No wonder University students can't afford to survive.....( average professor wage is $100,000 )

[@cpcheung66]

In the end it will be us the taxpayers paying for the loss of revenue of the Universities

[@madhavcool8057]

When you will come down on your knees economically, it is when you will know!! You will soon want to lift up that cap.

[@bluejackscanada]

Greed, Pure Greed Some international student is good and needed. But no cap and letting things get out of control is irresponsible!!! Just Greed being marketed as Empathy.

[@henrytran1030]

We should help College/University to expand facilities, not to cap "them" and cut off our source of income. It's a $22 billion folks.

[@aaykay4060]

Oh no! Anyway…

[@corychallice7705]

Greed

[@charlespratt8663]

The world only needs so many barista's with degrees.

[@Chualeilei]

where is my violin?

[@johnrouh5794]

👍👍👍

[@jpsion]

Separation of church and state…academia, tuition, and policy.

[@John.F_Kennedy]

Ontario really needs to remove or at least lessen the tuition freeze or provide more funding to these universities. Ontario has some of the best universities in Canada ffs

[@rayang9929]

or maybe the universities need to be more fiscally responsible like every other company ever has to instead of the government needing to sign a cheque to solve the problem.

[@Admin-ns7sd]

Canada is really going down 👇👎

[@JessT-vg7ib]

we need more immigrants to keep these businesses going

[@bluejackscanada]

More Gender Studies programs. They are in high demand!

[@bluejackscanada]

More Gender Studies programs. They are in high demand!

[@JessT-vg7ib]

I like Sock Puppet Studies...don't defund that one.@@bluejackscanada

[@antoniomontuori1209]

Why are you turning off your comments especially on Trump and Trudeau? We have nothing to say. You think we know what you are you didn’t fool anybody one day. The Canadian people are going to have their justice.

[@Anubis-du5fg]

Great, Alberta is now courting MAGA. Why is this not a surprise?

[@aetherfox4404]

Why do you have a mask on in your profile pic, why is that not a surprise? You wear it in your car alone still too?