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[@chriswing7466]

Bro thinks "I don't know." equals "I believe the opposite of what you believe."

[@TheWileGuy]

Louie loves to ask questions, but really hates to answer them.

[@830toAwesome]

And not even cogent ones. Just a stream of absolute nuttery this one.

[@cobalt4045]

The same could be said for any pseudoscience apologist. It's like their ideas cannot even speak for themselves.

[@TheWileGuy]

@@cobalt4045 You noticed that as well?

[@tipsy_turntablist]

They always work that way! And then when faced with a fact, they resort to name calling! Really great Christian he is!!

[@cobalt4045]

​@@TheWileGuyYep, I see this with Flat Earthers, too. Apologists know that if they ever make testable claims, they will fail from the outset. So, the script is always the same: attack the consensus model, and make absolutely no attempt to present their own model. So, in Louie's case, he must keep his proposed mechanism before time and beyond space. Until he can demonstrate how either one is not a contradictory concept, he has no model to speak of.

[@CeezGeez]

i have a feeling caller doesn't have any friends. like, his pets leave the room when he enters.

[@foolishlyludicrous]

Okay, that is downright cold.

[@CeezGeez]

@@foolishlyludicrous i mean did you hear him? lol

[@Farce13]

Even the fish

[@bluesmanmcp]

When the caller was a child his mother tied a bone around his kneck so the dog would play with him

[@CeezGeez]

@@bluesmanmcp lmao

[@830toAwesome]

Wow, this guy goes hostile in like 3 seconds flat. What a goofball.

[@CeezGeez]

this guy made me miss angel and april

[@830toAwesome]

@@CeezGeez I'd still take this guy. At least he's funny. April is painful and Angel is boring.

[@CeezGeez]

@@830toAwesome he has so much anger in him. also name calling etc. idk

[@DumbleDad]

Still trying to define god into existence *snore.

[@hjalmarolethorchristensen9761]

This man is clearly Broken....out of order.

[@dansmith7009]

I really wish you had pinned him down on what the difference between affected by and dependent on is. Humans get wet in the shower, therefore humans are dependent on showers, therefore Poseidon must exist.

[@javsw.1878]

Gotta love the hypocrisy of him saying “you don’t listen to what I’m saying”

[@glitterlok]

This is one of the worst I've heard. The amount of smuggling this person tried to do is insane. Miserably, aggressively idiotic.

[@jonathanbullman7058]

Good job keeping your cool. This dude had me raging lol

[@RecRoomRon]

Your family looks wholesome. Mr Peterson, I love your channel and immensely enjoy watching you take down these flerfs and religious freaks. Keep doing what you’re doing my man ✊

[@user-xe5qo3sn4z]

Why are these people so dishonest?

[@martin2289]

Because they're defending very stupid ideas that make no sense.

[@jonc1733]

When ur taught lies ur whole life by parents and church, u believe it

[@johns1625]

Their salvation is literally dependent on accepting Jebus as lord and believing truly in their hearts he was risen from the dead. Romans 10:9. They are quite literally brain washed.

[@CeezGeez]

this guy is definitely on a list somewhere

[@celiand2618]

The theist just collapsed under cognitive dissonance, it is sad, his frustration is directed at the wrong target. The worst part is... He is going to walk out more dellusionnal that he entered.

[@marthav.4654]

How to prove what a smart caller you are? Call your host an idiot. That will work.

[@Unicorn-Black]

How can u find such idiots to talk to? I want some as well..

[@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1]

Presups are insufferable

[@SextusHempiryk]

Yea, they're the worst kind of apologeticks...

[@Iheartdog666]

I’m fixing to watch every one of these videos. You make my 12 hour work days driving a semi cross country much easier.

[@quentinmarshall9734]

Love the content! You also inspired me to pursue a degree in environmental science! Love the book too

[@cwack12]

I love how people that plead for God are such terrible people 😂

[@stefanhuber7357]

This guy is so mad its cute.

[@harveybernstein9203]

That dude can’t even follow a single logical train of thought. He won’t answer question; he just asks another question. Here is a huge fallacy of his. Something that is subject is not necessarily “not eternal”. He claims that since matter is subject to change, it cannot be eternal. That simple does not follow. Worst interlocutor on this channel that I’ve seen.

[@madara211000]

Yup, he just jumps from point to point and demands answers to strawman questions

[@Tenebris_Sint]

I’m Jewish (atheist)… the Messiah is supposed to build the 3rd temple. Jesus didn’t build the 3rd temple, ergo not Messiah. The Jewish Messiah isn’t gif and doesn’t die. Daniel is a forgery written ~400+ years after claimed. Only Jews for Jesus believe in Jesus (as he failed all Messianic prophecy except being Jewish). Jews for Jesus are ridiculous… they believe because they invite Jesus into their hearts, and Jesus was Jewish… that literally makes them Jewish. It’s part of antisemitic church doctrine called Replacement theory or Reconstruction theory.

[@robertcarsten4050]

Yea the news for Jesus movement is actually really disgusting cultural appropriation. Listening to them spout their bs is so gross

[@patriceriksson7924]

What an unpleasant caller.

[@SextusHempiryk]

Presup, nasty stinker

[@BatManokov]

Old testament and new testament is proof god changed. We don't have to sacrifice goats anymore in Christian religion.

[@benduhova1643]

All hail the great algorithm

[@richardbaye6021]

8:00 that cat is like, "Help!" 😂 PS love your show dude, 😎

[@Moldylocks]

"gawd is outside of space and time" great, so he exists no where and at no time

[@IceWing2002]

The universe can be eternally changing and expanding.

[@bokoura]

Dude used "vaginal" as a noun, rofl

[@MurderCraw]

Damn Louie, so much for faith if general facts about science gets ya so riled up.

[@ryleeskeem]

”Is change dependent on time?” “It can be, but they are not inherently dependent upon one another. Can flower’s be blue?” “Yes.” “Gotcha! Therefore flowers are inherently blue without exception.” Idk why Peterson isn’t quicker to expose logical fallacies not just by explicitly calling them out or dismissing them, but utilizing and mirroring their mode of argumentation in order to make his opponent prove themselves wrong. It should reliably work whenever they get upset because the desperation to respond will cause them to passionately debate logically while tasting their own medicine. Hard to recover from proving yourself wrong, especially compared to being incessantly confronted. They often just continue operating under bad faith until the call ends

[@peterwyetzner5276]

So God is "the eternal one", but is also a "he". Shouldn't a "one" be an "it"?

[@nicholasbanton]

If the Hulk's power grows with anger, this guy must be the Incredible Imbecile-getting stronger with every brain cell he loses! My dude wouldn't recognize a logical fallacy if it sat on him. We have so far to go as a species.

[@antoniusgrave1348]

(1:30) This means every religion’s scriptures are true since they all mention real people, places and events.

[@gowdsake7103]

Also means Spiderman must be true and Harry potter

[@freddan6fly]

Luie is as clueless as a flat earther.

[@Moriningland]

I read through Daniel 9 (because he appeared to say Daniel 2 and 5 through 27, so I just read the whole chapter). It mentions the messiah but doesn’t clearly say the temple will be destroyed.

[@jonc1733]

I'd rather ppl use incorrect "evidence" than say "logically this makes sense to me so it's true"

[@cajunking5987]

Since when is “being eternal” and “subject to change” contradictory

[@studiooriginals]

They love using unproven assertions about their unproven claims to "prove" their claims.

[@kappascopezz5122]

I call equivocation on his usage of "eternal". In common usage, "eternal" just means "not ending for eternity", and not "remaining the same for eternity". But he seems to have picked up the latter as his personal definition, to then be able to argue that the universe is not eternal because we have observed "the universe" (or rather, things inside the universe) changing over time. This of course does not mean that there must be a time when the universe doesn't exist, because making such a conclusion would be equivocating his personal definition with the common usage of the word.

[@alexritchie4586]

Daniel prophecised a war between the Egyptians and Assyrians that never happened, and since the Bible also says to disregard false prophets, all of Daniel's prophecies can be discounted.

[@Wheres_the_money_lebowski]

Not heard the "everything proof suit" argument for a while.

[@deedrabbit]

His God can't do anything since any change would be a dilution of his perfection.

[@Lench_o]

Where are these spaces? I’d like to listen live to more of his conversations.

[@abbyarsenault3248]

Tiktok

[@Lench_o]

@@abbyarsenault3248 thank you 🙏

[@antoniusgrave1348]

“My god doesnt change” Then it can not exist. “My gods nature doesnt change” Then explain the christ.

[@svoidsofinfinitechaos9367]

Louise makes a whole big deal about God’s essence not changing despite the fact that that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If at any point in his eternal and unchanging existence God decides to go anything, then he at some point changes. His entire argument falls apart immediately since it contradicts itself. He’s beyond cocky for someone using an argument this weak.

[@ThatGuy-ot1gt]

Kitty! ☺ The diamond on its forehead is cool.

[@trapjaw6818]

HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW???? because he is unwilling to lie to himself, this is the big difference.

[@davids11131113]

This dude kind of sounds like ‘Jungle Jargon’ from way back old days.

[@ButConsiderThis]

A whole planet of Petersons you say? Can I not be born ? Pretty please?

[@paddyofurniture3988]

The Ole Special Pleading argument. The logical fallacy trump card played by all pre-sups.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

It suddenly struck me that he's using "science" as a stand-in for everything he doesn't like, and his religiosity causes him to view it **exactly** like a competing religion and so he thinks that people believed the big bang happened in the 1400s and had to wait for evidence to be justified, and that there's some Holy Book Of Science somewhere full of other stuff we just believe because it says so.

[@symbiotesam3562]

The second he started engaging in ad hominems, I knew he was disingenuous.

[@ROFT]

Those weren't ad hominems, they were just insults.

[@sansabark]

This guy should stop using anything derived from the scientific method.

[@Gutpunchingseal]

2:32 *Cue the Cyberpunk 2077 meme

[@SeanArchibeque]

Louie likes to lie to protect his beliefs

[@McZyx]

I hope he calls Dillahunty one day. Hmm who am i kidding he'll get hungup on in 5 seconds.

[@babotond]

this guy turned "$tup!d" from an adjective to a verb.

[@DumbleDad]

"answer me yes or no!" I dont wanna Louie.

[@AnimeShare89]

Is Louie a South Park character? The Bruhs were Cartman like.

[@Robbie_the_Rabbit]

Loudmouths just fucking hate it when you don't get offended at their gradeschool insults 😂

[@chriswing7466]

What is this dude's accent?

[@bokoura]

Autism.

[@gryph01]

Lol. The Jews didn't think that Jesus was the Messiah. There were several others after Jesus thay claimed to be the Messiah including one that started the rebellion that ended at the temple. The Romans had enough of the constant rebellions and they sent the Jews across the empire and finished destroying the temple. It had nothing to do with a prophecy in a sky wizard book

[@antoinearpege9678]

God "never changed" ? What about beeing incarnated in a human beeing, crucified and resurrected ?

[@williamcozart8158]

Who's the person who keeps yelling "Louie Louie Louie"?

[@harveybernstein9203]

Louie, Louie? That would be The Kingsmen Quartet.

[@KoRntech]

Yeah, more cat pics.

[@Ploskkky]

He is wrong about Daniël. The “anointed one” mentioned in the verse is Agrippa II, who ruled Judah at the time of the Second Temple's destruction, and was killed. This is typical christian scripture bending.

[@Petticca]

Oh this theist is adorable. I don't know if I've ever heard one be _so_ lacking in self- awareness. Yes, they all fail to see they're kicking the can down the road with this line of reasoning.. but, I don't ever recall hearing one sounding so smug as he really hammers home that he finds his own ideas to be incoherent. His stance is self-refuted by his repeated insistence that he finds the _concepts_ , that he relies on for his god assertion, literally impossible... I don't mean the special pleading bits that he's engaging in, that everyone who holds this kind of idea does, I mean he's breaking down the particulars of his own fkn argument that he finds to be impossible, one by one. It's not like the Kalam nonsense which is sufficiently vague where it would refute itself if it weren't, allowing the ass pull second conclusion to magically explain away the question begging nature... but this guy is dismantling the specifics, the mechanic concepts that his own view entails. According to his own words impossible.. Not impossible because not a god.. but brute fact, literally impossible. It's god damn bananas.

[@babotond]

does he think the big bang is an object instead of an event?

[@beleagueredbeluga5228]

Why cant God be eternal and change at the same time? Why cant God be a contradiction? Isn't he *GOD* and can do whatever the f he wants?

[@Hunt8rJob]

😂 True. But ask a thiest, and he'll only be limitless when it comes to the good stuff.

[@harveybernstein9203]

The essence of God is Fictionality.

[@chrisharris7177]

Does the big...bang? Yes or no?

[@MK-Ultra0]

Louie, let me put you in an electeic chair and we'll show every1 you don't rely on science and no one should trust it

[@babotond]

did this ultraspecific thing happen? you don't know anything about history? man, the mental gymnastics is olympic gild worthy...

[@madara211000]

Didn't his god say that he's a jealous god as to dissuade ppl from worshipping other gods? Being jealous sounds like a change in nature to me.

[@Hunt8rJob]

So he accepts the big bang and space expansion, but doesn't want to accept science?? Does he think these theories come from his bible?

[@thoracis]

What is your kitty’s name, Peterson? She is so cute ☺️

[@planetpeterson2824]

Kitty Cat Peterson, or KCP

[@Iheartdog666]

Lol. Nothing can come from nothing. Nothing is an abstraction of the concept of non existence. Nothingness does not exist. So yeah, the universe always existed and we know that for some time it was at least a singularity.

[@Iheartdog666]

If god is eternal then so is the universe. If god was the only thing in existence at one point, then god would be the universe, as “he” would be all matter and all things in existence. So, okay, yeah, these dumb ontological debaters got me AT BEST to deism.

[@Iheartdog666]

They’ve got a long road to tread to prove any specific god or that there’s any value in faith. and their silly word games and juvenile philosophical arguments won’t get them any further. Seriously, these presuppers have anything beyond promoting deism? This phase of their argument should just be skipped over. We should all just agree to their dumb presuppositions, even if they’re wrong, just so we can see what the roadmap to Christianity or Islam or Judaism looks like. Been watching great debate community vids for years, I’ve been dying to know.

[@ejcarter9]

I really wish I could comment on ads. I just saw one for podcast producers that talked about taking out pauses. STOP DOING THIS! Pauses are needed. Ifyourpodcastdoesn'thavepausesthenitsoundslikearunonsentencemakingitincrediblyhardtohearandcomprehend!!!!!

[@Krueger444]

My dude, you really need to look into messianic Jews.

[@legalisetoast4088]

What even is this dudes point. He thinks hes asking these crazy trick questions but making himself look like an ass 😂

[@jordanmoran916]

Louie has to be top 5 stubbornly idiotic guests you've had. Theists think it's some sort of victory when you say idk... Because the answer to impossibly complex questions is MAGIC, how did you not know that you big silly goose.. magic is obviously the answer.

[@gowdsake7103]

The most stupid argument. Of course its ONLY his god and his myth Nazareth DID NOT exist at the right time

[@bigguyonalittleadventure5673]

What a waste of time. Louie just makes up rules and thinks they’re facts. Standard boring apologist points. Snore.

[@peterwyetzner5276]

Daniel doesn't say that the Temple will be destroyed.

[@planetpeterson2824]

Even if it did, he was telling two different stories. The temple will be rebuilt in 3 days. But it wasn't. That's cuz Jesus meant his body, and he resurrected. Okay, so it has nothing to do with the temple. Yeah, but the temple was destroyed.

[@830toAwesome]

@@planetpeterson2824 It's all "metaphor" Peterson. Until it's literal. Sometimes it's both, depending on if you're observing it or not.

[@MrNicwic]

Today's guest was very angry and VERY stupid.

[@SchiwiM]

so wrong and yet ao condescending, theists are so annoying...

[@scorptrio8231]

"He has to exist BEFORE TIME [] existed," the idiot caller said.

[@scorptrio8231]

BEFORE time!

[@NeroHeresy]

This guest is just making arguments in extremely bad faith.

[@AnimeShare89]

Is Louie a South Park character? The Bruhs were Cartman like.