Insane Missing Persons Scandal...

[@TamanduaGirl]

I saw a documentary on Kenny before and a thing missing here, that lends credence to the suicide theory, is that he was very close to having his home foreclosed. He couldn't afford it any more. He tried to get renters/roommates in to help but failed.

[@Nurse227]

Do you if they checked the mineshaft itself? Where his phone was found?

[@Crow0fEarth]

Yeah I checked his story on the Why Files last week I think.

[@williamraleigh7546]

​@@Nurse227Possibly, you know, since they found his phone in the mineshaft.

[@Nurse227]

@@williamraleigh7546 I thought he said by the mine shaft sorry I misheard

[@CzarBomba827]

@williamraleigh7546 I think it was found near it, not in it.

[@GeoW-c9b]

The M cave could have been real. My guess is there was just a landslide of some kind that covered the entrance. Landslides happen way more often than people assume and can easily cover up a cave; with nobody noticing because... it's some random cave.

[@longlongman9351]

Or it was Mutahar’s secret Canadian invasion lair.

[@L3onking]

​@@longlongman9351🙊 ITS NOT A SECRET IF YOU TELL EVERYONE 🙊

[@pleb1105]

maybe the vibration was the start of a landslide, too.

[@Myosotis.journaling]

Him quitting his job isn’t really a sign of those ideations when that person plans to put their full attention into traveling and hiking… it sounds like he quit his job to pursue adventuring, I’m more concerned some land owner shot him dead out there for trespassing and buried him somewhere. That happens a lot more than people think especially out in the middle of nowhere. It could have been someone else who was responsible for his disappearance, without the whole government intervention theory. I know someone who died that way that does unfortunately happen when exploring out in the world, people accidentally stumble onto owned property and those land owners aren’t always stable people and it can end fatally.

[@LizStaples]

True and caves can be massive. While he was an experienced hiker he wasn’t an experienced Spelunker that is another skill set.

[@MiSambra]

I think Kenny would get a kick out of people still talking about him and his "M" cave mystery. That's at least a bit of a silver lining.

[@bonnie1303]

I agree. And all the new people exploring the desert - how nice to spread what you love even after you’ve disappeared

[@shewho333]

The guy who puked was traveling without enough hydration and he ate some packaged fruit (I think)that didn’t agree with him after he waited too long to fuel his body. It was a not smart move. People have been also looking for Kenny among the homeless population in Vegas, which is a possibility too. I think there are so many open abandoned mines out there that he could have just walked right into a hole in the ground.

[@mikuenjoyerXD]

A pitfall

[@ohnonotagain8935]

I think he got out in the desert with minimal supplies and the desert ate him. I've seen hikers die every year in the wilds of Arizona every year some well prepared like the lady doctor few years back who was from the area and knew the dangers of desert hikes

[@HowNeatImImpressed]

@@mikuenjoyerXDpitfall seed xDDDD animal crossing reference

[@sexygirlmax2019]

​@@HowNeatImImpressedNo...Pitfalls are a real thing.

[@RigRacers]

@@HowNeatImImpressed dumbest comment tbh wth

[@razz5614]

i believe Kenny did end himself, it's the most respectful thing to believe, and with someone as well experienced with hiking in the middle of nowhere he would probably know places where there would be absolutely no one for a long time, or the perfect place to disappear.

[@SquiddlyInk]

No shot

[@thatguyharambe8757]

I believe that's exactly what a Federale would say who didn't want snooping civilians. If Kenny killed himself - Who sealed the M Caves and for what reason? (There was more than one).

[@faerie5926]

Honestly agreed, also caves have cave ins all the time- which could explain why the cave fitting the description hasn't been found. It was most likely something as simple as that.

[@dan9iel]

@@thatguyharambe8757 dawg no one sealed the M cave it just probably hasn't been found yet. Its just like his wife said, he was struggling with depression and he didn't bring his video camera on him with his hike, meaning he never meant to come back. No "feds" or "aliens" took him away, he just had a tragic death. The area where he lived was filled with many wild animals, and one of them probably ate his body, which is why it hasn't been found.

[@Signal_in_the_noise]

Yep, that’s why he didn’t brother bringing his camera

[@RigRacers]

Kenny also said he liked to challenge himself, taking as little water as possible to see if he could make it back after a long hike. So, truly it could've just been dehydration. The only confusing aspect is that they never found his body, but the desert is a massive massive body of bleak land. It'd be very easy for a body to blend in if he went far off the path while looking for the cave.

[@Sans_The_Skeleton]

any animals around? like vultures or something that eats corpses??

[@vilheim4753]

​@Sans_The_Skeleton yes plenty of critters out their

[@katlynlacroix5261]

I wonder if dogs were ever brought out

[@RigRacers]

@@katlynlacroix5261 yeah they did a full search and rescue mission.

[@RigRacers]

@@Sans_The_Skeleton yeah but honestly its more likely a pack/cave animal would've dragged his body deep into a mine/cave, out of sight.

[@justin80082]

I think Kenny took himself out. He had a history of depression and family history of depression, his Dad committed suicide. He quit has job a year before his disappearance to try to invent products, this business venture didn’t work and he was running out of money so bad that he was about to have to sell his house that he built. He went somewhere no-one would find him based on his extensive knowledge of the desert and took his own life. Maybe the M cave story was a cover for his suicide and disappearance.

[@Tupacandme]

Fed

[@NutsItsBerserkinTime]

@@Tupacandmeyou keep commenting that it's cringe fr

[@epichobo2]

From watching this video, I think it's likely that Caleb was on the right tracks with the radioactive munitions dump in the "M" cave. The "buzzing" Kenney felt could have been extreme exposure to radioactivity which can feel like a buzzing or burning sensation. It could also explain the vomiting the other KZbin experienced in the same location as nausea, headaches, nervousness and confusion are symptoms of ARS (Acute Radiation Syndrome). If Kenney had experienced these symptoms upon his first encounter and had gone back again to find the cave, it seems likely to me that he may have passed away due to exposure to high amounts of radiation, possibly inside the cave itself. To add a level of "tin hat" to this, if that cave had been the same one and had been covered up by the government, it implies that the government at/ surrounding area 51 were keeping an eye on Kenneys activities in that arra, and knew of his unfortunate demise and decided to seal the cave entrance so that no-one else met the same fate, whilst also not having to admit or release of even acknowledge anything about the case. But that's just a flight of fancy as I was writing this lol.

[@ms.smalls6931]

I feel they could've picked up a heat signature with the helicopter if that was the case. I guess that also depends on how buried it was but if him going back and getting a second dose of radiation is what got him then the helicopter would probably get that temperature read.

[@MacabreEgg]

​@ms.smalls6931 if he was dead for a while you can't pick up heat signatures. There's no heat being produced in his body at that point

[@ms.smalls6931]

@@MacabreEgg I was talking about the radiation. Radiation produces heat signatures. I don't know if all do though. I also don't know how long it takes for it to affect you so I don't know how far he'd be able to go after being exposed.

[@sidewalksurfer96]

​@@ms.smalls6931I don't think they'd publicize the info if they found high levels of radiation emanating from a source we aren't familiar with

[@goawayimbaitin1278]

If he was exposed to enough radiation to feel his body vibrating, he wouldn’t have survived longer than a week after exposure. So I don’t think that’s it.

[@natebrewer2224]

The story of Kenny is a sad but understandable one. As most people stated he most likely took his own life. His obsession of exploring and hiking feels like to me he had a lot in his life he didnt enjoy so he turned to the beauty of nature, and sadly when what was once beautiful to you has been seen so many times and explored to the fullest, what else left is there. Rip kenny Legend

[@bulletproofair]

The real modern conspiracy is that the ONLY times people never have their phones or camera devices on them is when they make conspiratorial discoveries. Just sayin.

[@andym2612]

I just made a comment questioning that entire angle.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

i have been abducted at least 40 times now and they have probed me 10 times but i have never been able to prepare with a camera before they abduct me O.o they always manage to sneak up behind my back so to speak..

[@bulletproofair]

@@lokelaufeyson9931 😂 Keep trying, bud. The guy down the street thinks he'll never be caught. 😜🤣

[@TheParkerThirteen]

​@@lokelaufeyson9931"abduct me once shame on you, abduct me twice shame on me, abduct me 40 times... Yeah I've probably got schizophrenia"

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

@@TheParkerThirteen is there anything left that you can call "shame" left after being abducted and probed 40 times?

[@KarleeM76]

I have been following Kenny's story for YEARS. So, I feel a little bit attached to him in a odd way. It's just sad all round, I hope he's found and brought home one day

[@DeerIhre]

I think a lot of people that are from missing 411 and Kenny included had similar plans as Peter Keller but decided to leave silently and not do what Peter did fortunately. Some people are just tired of society and wanna be alone I suppose.

[@Tonsils-micman]

The kid ones are mighty weird though, just literally vanishing.

[@ModernWelfare_]

@@Tonsils-micmanYep the 12 year old is already sick of life and dreads the idea of working the 9-5 grind 😂 the thought is pure insanity honestly. You have to be pretty willfully ignorant to believe such a thing.

[@tiryaclearsong421]

​@@Tonsils-micman Kids are unfortunately unable to comprehend the dangers inherent to hiking and have this amazing ability to disappear in an instant because they believe they will be fine, and that Mom and Dad can help them if something scary happens. This ends in complete disaster when they run off the trail after something shiny and absolutely no one is a skilled enough human tracker to find the tiny evidence of their trails. The end result is only sometimes that they get found after a big, heroic search. The rest of the time they are probably, quite literally, eaten by nature.

[@WalmartTable]

I for some odd reason love videos like these- aliens? Gimme. Missing people? G i m m e .

[@bradleydavidson4948]

Lore lodge has a whole playlist about missing people.

[@x144x]

English?

[@CreepyFlash2010]

The people are missing, you can’t really have them (I’m trying to be satire)

[@WalmartTable]

@@CreepyFlash2010 steal the stolen

[@FieldAgent-D]

It's called a morbid curiosity. It naturally forms because you're human or it's something learned from experiences in life....I learned through experience. I've seen far too many dead bodies....I'm only 24....law enforcement is tough.....but to wrangle it all back...no it's not an odd reason. That's natural

[@BenginamanTheBawws]

the way he describes the cave sounds like a lucid dream. i have struggled with depression and anxiety my entire life and lucid dreams that feel absolutely real and when i talk to the people involved in my dreams they have no idea. so maybe hes describing something like that. i dunno

[@Matpit18]

Whether it was sewer slide or just dehydration, it’s still very confusing how they never found Kenny’s body

[@LizStaples]

Not really the area is remote and massive plus predator/scavenger pressure (coyotes, mountain lions, various carnivorous lizards/snakes, all take bits wander off then vultures clear the rest) national forests, Deserts, and places like South Dakota bad lands are places where a human can easily disappear

[@yourestillhere8162]

If someone dies in a remote wild area like that every day that goes by is another day that the body will most likely not be there. I think it’s like a day on average that if a body is in a place with wild animals it’ll last

[@feraltaco4783]

Desert scavengers take care of that pretty quick. Can't afford to let food go to waste. I'm a tad suspicious about his gear never being found though.

[@Lizard-Wizard084]

Not finding a body is fair. There’s tons of scavengers in the desert. But no scraps of clothing? No discarded hiking gear? Not a pair of glasses or gloves left behind or anything? That is what is off to me.

[@feraltaco4783]

@@Lizard-Wizard084 exactly. The desert can't have nice things but something should have been found.

[@minjayz95]

Kris is so lucky to have such an intellectually stimulating human being with funny looking dogs

[@GeoW-c9b]

Granger just sounds like a mudercase. Like one of his students/colleagues were jealous of him, took advantage of his mental state and pretended to be an alien on his radio. Convinced him to "join them in space" when in reality he was just kidnapped and murdered.

[@zawurdo5184]

Yeah same. Maybe just a really sickening prank by someone telling him instructuons on how to enter the ship, but basically telling him to build a bomb and detonate it beneath his toes. Though you never know what goes on in a guys head, so maybe he did it on purpose.

[@existentialcrisis4884]

He blew himself and his truck up. They found evidence of it. Not sure why that wasn't mentioned in this video Edit: nvm it was mentioned in this video. Lol

[@Alfie-u4x]

I do hope the true stories behind these events get revealed

[@NeighborhoodCrusader]

Mysteries are fun but im pretty sure oompa covered what the true stories really are, -lost in desert probably fell in a mine or something -truck exploded, doesn't matter if he was very talented he used LSD

[@RigRacers]

@@NeighborhoodCrusader the LSD thing doesn't really have relevance. Not sure if you've done it or not, but even though it can have different levels of intensity with different people, its not like DMT where you're completely disconnected from reality or unable to function, if anything its a bit of a sense hightening experience. Plus, if he "did LSD", meaning regularly, he would've definitely had a tolerance to it. It doesn't take but a couple times to build that up, and the effects become immensely milder over time.

[@alipetuniashow]

@@RigRacersof course you did lad😂😂

[@RigRacers]

@@alipetuniashow what🤣

[@existentialcrisis4884]

Granger blew himself up. They found evidence of his truck in pieces in the woods.

[@irExron]

As much as i love to theorise, chances are nothing notable happened, fell into a hole, got lost, or unfortunately ended himself. Anything that could be considered conspiracy, is that he trespassed on government area and was shot. Anyway, i hope Kenny is doing well, or is resting in peace.

[@taxicab780]

oompa thank you for getting me through life’s boring, tough times

[@Tuffest_Leader]

this^ thank you.

[@MotivationStimulation]

Sunny days wouldn't feel special...if it wasnt for rain

[@nelsonpereira2247]

bro, same

[@Jordabrz]

​@@MotivationStimulationgood things can exist without bad things existing, just not in this reality it seems

[@mamamia5668]

👑 keep strong king

[@gonkythegnk1046]

This first case kind of reminded me of the Dyatlov Pass Incident. I know it’s not exactly a “missing person’s” case, as all bodies were recovered, but I think it’s a very interesting case you should look into and possibly make a video about it. Even more interesting is the lives of the hikers and who they were as people. It’s a special interest of mine, and I think you would give a nuanced, non-conspiracy-ish take on it. Obviously you don’t have to make a video based on the whims of a single viewer, but the Dyatlov Pass Incident is truly a heartwarming and heartbreaking deep dive that’s worth exploring.

[@kevinellis3081]

This one has been solved. It is a crazy one. I agree totally. But it was figured out. ( something about low frequency and wind )

[@williamraleigh7546]

​@@kevinellis3081How do low frequencies and wind have anything to do with the mutilations that occurred? Animals?

[@user-sg4ov7ng4h]

wasnt it the school boys on a school trip? the teacher denied locals recommandations to turn back multiple times if its not it was an avalanche

[@ModernWelfare_]

@@kevinellis3081Low frequencies and wind caused people to be mutilated, now that’s a government level explanation if I’ve ever heard one. 😂😂😂😂

[@ikonic_artworks]

​@@ModernWelfare_it has been proven. It was a type of avalanche if I remember correctly

[@arguekayes]

After all these years of hearing/looking into Kenny’s story. I honestly don’t think M cave was real, like the cave itself is but it’s Mystique isn’t, Its just a regular cave. i think he came up with this grandiose story as a way to cling onto something to keep himself grounded and hopeful, Something he can do to stay busy. Cos all the evidence of his disappearance proves Kenny purposefully didn’t want to be found, covering his tracks with the decades of outdoor experience.

[@ModernWelfare_]

Could be, the real mystery though is where is his corpse? It’s not normal for people who go missing and are presumed dead to never be found, no remains at all. That’s the real mystery.

[@Crazy_Sarah98]

@@ModernWelfare_Coyotes and other critters might’ve gotten ahold of him and dragged away. Whatever’s left if most likely scattered around the desert

[@wintermoon7003]

It doesn't matter how well you know someone, suicide can ALWAYS be a possibility as no one truly knows what's going on in the mind of another person. I worked with this absolute gentleman who really helped me out and gave me advice at work and he ended up ending his life a week before Thanksgiving. I had a feeling he was depressed, something about him made me think that, but he was always happy and smiling and really wanted to make change at work for the better. The last month of his life, he moved to a different department, which he wanted, and had to move to a different state. He had a future planned with his wife. Hearing how he passed, it was quite a shock and my heart is broken. This man was such a sweetheart!

[@LogjammerDbaggagecling-qr5ds]

Just going along with the conspiracies for fun, here's a thought: The military has experimental area denial weapons, maybe they were using one of those to keep people away from something. Maybe infrasound machines or something. That could explain the feeling of dread and feeling of his body vibrating. There has been extensive research on it, and infrasound has been shown to cause nausea, "aversion to the area", feelings of dread and panic, and general dysphoria. And yes, you can feel it, but you can't hear it. I'm 1000% sure the military would experiment with something like that.

[@lynxarcade2020]

Interesting

[@fc1759]

Yea it sounds almost like Havana syndrome which the US govt did try to recreate in animals before

[@larrybobby254]

This was my first thought. They scared him out of the cave with the infrasound. Then covered it up before he came back

[@ModernWelfare_]

@@larrybobby254yup 👍 either that or copious amounts of radiation which might explain his actual demise. Although again, body still missing…

[@CanadiansInCarsGettingCocky]

Thanks for covering the Kenny Veach, M cave mystery. Can you talk about the off limits area in the Grand Canyon and the GE Kincaid cave next?

[@Cody-Coyote]

I just dont understand why granger would have tnt while hes hiking, even if hes profficient with explosives. Like, what was he gonna do with it? Chuck it at a bear? Throw it at the mountain to make a way through rather than around? Wth

[@SkunkApe407]

The dude used explosives in his work. It was probably there from work. I go fishing and camping all the time, and regularly leave my work tools in the truck when I go. I also grew up on a farm, and we had dynamite for turning dirt, instead of using plows. The rocky soil would break our plow blades, so we used the dynamite to turn the dirt, and would use drags to remove the rocks. It wasn't uncommon for us to drive into town for supplies with a case of quarter sticks sitting in the flatbed.

[@freddieh.mercury8893]

I’d like to see more of this type of stuff. Maybe even a episode with wendigoon

[@sleepyproduction7166]

Invent something? Cure something? Forgotten to history. Go missing in a weird or unusual way? Get lost and appear later inexplicably? Remember and talked about forever.

[@ModernWelfare_]

You think this guy could hide his dead body that well? All for some legacy? Not likely.

[@user-cc6vf3zi1x]

MrBallen covered Kenny's disappearance, and he said that the vibrating could be a military defence type of crowd control machine, I don't remember the name but it could be worth checking out, I don't know.

[@Hc27_]

Almost 5 million is crazy I remember when you were hitting 500k

[@isthatyoucedric7854]

Sometimes it's easier for people to think their loved one lost their mind than to think they would actually end it. I think it's pretty clear that he re-wrote aliens and general crazy into his 'goodbye note' to soften the blow on his loved ones. So selfless... I truly hope that wherever and whatever he is now, he is at peace.

[@snapchat-w9j]

oompa just wanna say i love your videos man your so funny you keep so many people still laughing in these weird times in america

[@MelissaLawrence2002]

As an American, I'd like to add that he's keeping all of our heads above water in this terrible time on our planet. Everyone's at war, being left hungry and unsheltered, we're blessed to have an escape from that stuff here on this channel.

[@AdamAlistair]

Great video man. You're hella smart and choose great topics. Keep it up, nerd.

[@Timislam]

What how tf does this make him smart 😂😂😂😂 he watched someone’s video and made it his own 😂😂😂

[@AdamAlistair]

@@Timislam Yeah dude, I definitely made that statement based solely on this one particular video. Shake your fuggin head bud.

[@Timislam]

If one KZbin comment can throw you into such a rage I wonder what happens when your wife and kids talk to you

[@wheelbox]

​@@Timislamsmart people get scammed all the time, dude That's why they're scams?? They are literally made TO trick people, especially smart people.

[@stevejonesll1399]

Whoa let's chill here bro's, what seems to be the problem?

[@larss6851]

0:20 looks like a highschool film project

[@archbishopofthecrusades9579]

Let’s hope Granger did get taken for a space voyage, found an alien wife, and lived the rest of his days happy with a gaggle of space kids.

[@mitaskeledzija6269]

Sound and vibrations travel faster and are louder in underground areas like caves, that's why you hear the thunder first from inside a cave than outside. Could be some underground projects or mining they do who knows.

[@ummaTHEumma]

The Why Files has a great video about Kenny that includes a lot of details that were left out. It's up to you to decide, but to me it was an end to him by choice.

[@IXSICNESS]

The why files is one of those bottom of the barrel youtube channels that nobody should watch.

[@ummaTHEumma]

I just found the channel like two weeks ago so I don't have a lot of experience with it, but the quality seems to be there. Like, there is some childish elements to it but that's overlooked because of the facts. I am genuinely curious why it would be considered bottom of the barrel.

[@ModernWelfare_]

@@IXSICNESSThank you 🙏 💛 that content is pure brain rot.

[@Beeperoni]

I think it’s very clear what happened to both of them. I hope they found the peace they were looking for.

[@eh7558]

From time to time I check whether to see If my favorite KZbinr Is still alive, just to see him delving deeper Into dangerous rabbit holes. 🙃

[@Momofj2001]

I love stories like these. I never get tired of them, even if I’d heard them before. Would love to hear more from you! Also, is it weird that I would love to be rescued by a helicopter?

[@zawurdo5184]

Not sure if you like reading, but the book Missing411 has a bunch of these cases. There are also tons of videos on those. Pretty much has anything, from rather normal stuff like "He just vanished" to people disapperaing and then suddenly appearing in spots they should have never been able to reach. Those are my favorites since it is kinda hard to explain how a untrained hiker managed to go into the snowy mountains, disappear there, getting declaired dead only to then be found deceased houndrets of kilometers away, unharmed by animals.

[@reallyjustanobody]

have you read stories about people changing after life changing or dangerous events and found it fascinating? or not had any high level of trauma in your life? this could lead to that feeling. and nothing wrong with that. I've been rescued from an oceanside cave as a kid that way and it's definitely one of the strongest and most influential memories I have. ✌️

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

no, helicopters is cool. It would be physical impossible to be rescued by a jet.. Cant imagine the bad part of grabbing a rope when the plane fly in 400-500 km/h ... rope burn? Harrier jet can work but i can describe it as "toaster" ... it gets hot when it hovers..

[@imagineth]

I read there were quite a few unexplored caves and some that have been welded shut out there. Entirely possible he went into one and just never came out.

[@Madi-yc8xt]

The podcast Lets Get Haunted did a really in depth episode on the Kenny Veech case (sorry I don’t know how to spell his last name😅). I honestly wonder if he did find the cave again and stumbled into an abandoned site of some kind. There’s all kinds of crazy stuff happening in the Mojave so🤷‍♀️ yes I know that’s a very tinfoil hat theory but I don’t care😂

[@ModernWelfare_]

“Patrolling the Mojave almost make you wish for a nuclear winter”

[@JacobE-23]

More weird and unusual things like this please. One of my favorite things to listen to/learn about. Bigfoot, wendigo, mothman, ufos, conspiracies, 411, supernatural/cryptid things in general. Id love to hear any stories you got! Please, and thank you for the amazing content my guy.

[@chaoticRoommate]

I believe Kenny when he said the 'M cave' was there, landslides earthquakes etc. if the cave/him self was viberating/shakeing that can be a sign of an earthquake. I also think around that area there is a fault line or a contenentle plate I can't remember, but it might have been coverd up. may he rest in peace

[@Galactic_Orca]

I do hope that, at some point in my life time, I get a definitive answer to these mysteries. I know it likely won't happen, but a teen can hope

[@embodimentofgreatness5514]

shut up

[@MelissaLawrence2002]

Criminally Listed did a video 3 years ago titled "3 Bizarre Endings to Missing Persons Cases" that I highly recommend. He probably has a few videos with a similar title, but you'll know you've found the one that features Granger's story when you see his spaceship in the thumbnail. All these cases are so sad. I couldn't handle such pain.

[@Me-lp9wd]

Yeah. He killed himself, these people saying he was abducted by the government are disrespectful. He suffered from mental illness and was close to losing his home there are a lot of places especially if youre a professional hiker that you can walk into and wont be found for a REALLY long time

[@slaymakerprime]

The Why Files handled the Kenny Veach disappearance recently. They always do an amazing job, and find more info than other channels. TWF found a spot with the M shape that had clearly been filled in. EDIT: the filled in cave was very close to Nellis/Area 51.

[@KITKAThey]

filled in? Ooo that’s so strange how caves get filled in like that.

[@reaperdog9099]

Idk if you can but I love things like this is it ok if you and Clint can bring back the Spooky Skeletons podcast?

[@nicksch2108]

Very depressed today going to gym been watching ompa all day

[@Hank..]

I can't say what happened, but my guess would be that he got lost or injured and died out there. The mojave is brutal, and while Kenny is an experienced hiker, that doesn't mean he's perfect. All it'd take is one bad step for him to sprain or break his ankle, and suddenly he's in a really bad spot. This could also explain why he was never found; if he couldn't walk out, and lost his phone earlier, his best hope for survival would be to take shelter to reduce exposure to the extreme elements. But since he died, taking shelter means his body would've been hidden.

[@truth2tell]

When he says "well I did not find the cave" if you look at the video, you can see the body of a man standing in the video.

[@sofaninja0552]

I just checked you can buy the exact same area 51 sign for $8

[@letsart6434]

I heard of technology recently used for crowd control during riots that does that bidy tingling thing. It's a pointable beam that makes your body vibrate and raises anxiety to an extremely uncomfortable level

[@likelyana6880]

I'm way to into all of the true crime or unsolved cases, it's crazy how people can just vanish out of no where but yet some of them are tortured or worse

[@IAmPickles.]

I just started the video, but all i gotta say is, Ruh Roh Raggy

[@Its_Jae07]

My granger theory: the government found out about grangers talents and told granger to come work with them, however her couldn’t tell anyone about his new job and he told his parents he was going to meet aliens because of he always loved them. The government told him he could go home in 4 years. He had got into an accident with his truck and the government covered it up! 😮

[@arthurcady6302]

He definetly did himself in. The use of a will, even though he changed the wording is clear he knew he would not be coming back, otherwise there was no need to use it. I would say there is a small sad chance he thought the explosives would send him to space if he was super delirious but this also obviously took quite a bit of thought and planning and if he was really that far gone I don't think he would have been able to follow through. Sounds like he was just done and made peace with every part of it except saying goodbye, so he found a way where he didn't have to.

[@sidewalksurfer96]

plenty of perfectly healthy people have wills drafted, it's a precautionary measure for all people, not just something done before dispatching themselves

[@arthurcady6302]

@@sidewalksurfer96 if you refer to your will as instructions as to what should be done with your belongings before you "depart" you know what its for. If he believed he was coming back, why not just regain possession of his property when he comes back? Why edit the will before leaving? Of course healthy people have wills but if i left mine on my bed and offed myself later you probably shouldn't wonder.

[@EighmyLupin]

Could also been some sicko pretending to be the alien he was talking to on the radio. The sicko setup the TNT, told Granger to meet up for a space voyage and when he parked the truck, boom.

[@arthurcady6302]

@@EighmyLupin yes could have beem just as possible, or a combination of both. He wasnt all there to start and radios produce static, static noise and lack of light can make you hallucinate voices or entire speeches rather easily. If you are prone to hallucinations already these become much more real. Add him talking back to these aliens amd the possibilities someone was listening, someone could have responded one off and told him to launch himself into space with tnt.

[@GrampyFred89]

When’s the next grandma video?

[@ZombieKitty321]

That turned from a semi believable but still obviously fake clip of an alien, too hilarious when the rounded the corner and just start blasting LOL.

[@andym2612]

For Kenny being such an experienced hiker, I'd like to know on his first trip in which he found the M cave the first time, did he have his phone on him? If not, why not? I also noticed he mentioned "I didn't have my gun on me at the time" but he never said anything about his phone. Surely such an experienced hiker would have his phone on him every time he'd go hiking so he'd be able to record his GPS co-ordinates everytime he found something interesting that he might wish to return to. And at least take a few pics as well. Or maybe my definition of experienced is different to Kenny's.

[@thoughtbomb6490]

One of the little "caves" he was recording down low along the ground really resmembled an M. To me it seemed he was disappointed as if he was realizing this was the cave and maybe different lighting and his fight or flight response led him to believe it was deeper. I wouldnt be surprised if he really did experience some sort of infrasound attack.

[@Keem_..]

Get the world's best geo guesser and make him find the M cave

[@jasmineletty]

So cool to hear you mention Duncan, BC It’s on Vancouver Island, in the Cowichan Valley. I’m from Lake Cowichan, about 15 minutes from there. The whole island is beautiful ☺️

[@Sclasspsycho]

He enters every cave he finds? Sounds like a bad idea, strange cave or not.

[@dimosguy]

0:26 They shoot that alien down like they're the cops in chicago 😂

[@puccarocks123]

You should take everything Frank (Exploring Abandoned Mines guy) claims with a heavy dose of salt. He got called out for faking parts of his videos like using stock audio of "ghost whispers" and moving things off camera to pretend a ghost did it.

[@christalcavanaugh]

I heard a story maybe from the lore lodge about someone seeing a cave but when they came back, there was a large boulder rolled in front of the entrance as if some very big and very strong creature was using it as a door or to hide the cave. Makes me wonder about this if the same cave might have looked different or even have been hidden somehow. Not necessarily by Bigfoot but maybe just a landslide or something

[@mrsubarashii1764]

Hey oompa! I’m a bit of a new viewer/subscriber but I really enjoy these types of videos. The internet drama is fun too but I really dig the investigation style ones where you review unsolved mysteries

[@louie480]

I love seeing these type of videos and especially longer ones too 👍🏼

[@hollywoodspicynuggets5086]

Doesn't take anyone with him caving that's breaking rule one 😅

[@gamingwithlizardsd6478]

WE NEED THE OOMPAVILLE x WENDIGOON COLLAB NOW!

[@harrysquatter747]

I’m glad oomp said it, poor Kenny definitely became a mountain lion dinner

[@drevil3606]

At least it helped the lion rip

[@David6.3]

That body vibrating thing is an overdose of adrenaline spiked by fear

[@NeonTanner]

I love that you are doing Missing 411 stuff! Please keep going. The forest stories are haunting. Especially the ones of children going missing and then being found.

[@TurtleDucckk]

I love this type of content from him

[@TurtleDucckk]

@@gayfrog3272 yeah I agree

[@agentash003]

I might be following in kenny's footsteps if I don't find a job soon haha

[@agentash003]

@@HeatherJG I'm just existing, forgot I even commented this. I don't think I'll ever genuinely try to take my life again, I'm just tired

[@vvvinnieee]

@@agentash003 please take care of yourself! It’s not worth it

[@GrievousReborn]

You can never truly know if someone's suicidal or not I didn't think my friend was till he took his own life.

[@Crooked60]

My guess is that M cave was near a nuclear waste site because they just bury that stuff.

[@D_01I]

That’s my theory.

[@MlnscBoo]

Dude, if your gonna make more videos like this, you should check out the story around Dyatlov's Pass. Pretty crazy stuff

[@lorabudach267]

Nice work! Kris sent me over here and I stayed because of your interesting content. 🥰 Stay safe out there! People are weirdos.

[@mastadlo]

The Why Files did an excellent video on Kenny recently. Very in depth

[@ModernWelfare_]

The Why Files 💀

[@chenango303]

I hate to be that person but Kenny Veeches story has been told over and over again. Nobody can tell it better than the Why Files.😅

[@ModernWelfare_]

🐑

[@HUKIT.]

I remember seeing a post from his sister that was he battling depression and she believes he took his life.

[@79Bobola]

11:23 it is 100 percent fake, that’s the same dude who faked that paranormal mine video, so yeah, he’s def known for faking for views.

[@davidgummo3024]

There was a sign there that said you'd be shot on sight in the cave and later when the guy that explored the cave came back they reput up the sign but it said danger! Restricted Area (pretty sure their was a air current coming from the cracks in the caves walls) Pretty sure veach got gunned down for finding some sort of secret bunker/base , apparently the military also have trail cams going down the mountain where the m cave is located

[@andrewpaul8693]

This was so interesting! I was getting tired of hearing about youtube drama, but thats just me, thanks homie!

[@cherrymeez]

I feel claustrophobic now, as a thought of him crawling into one of those low caves that no sane person would, then getting trapped - has popped into my head 😫

[@tomfox4492]

Everytime i see oompatv upload im ready for the main channels upload

[@somethingbush]

He sounds like he likes grape flavored candy

[@toonie568]

in oompa we trust

[@AussiePossie]

Please continue to do this type of content Your voice fits the genre soooo well. keep it upp

[@hectichive889]

“Oh that’s so strange that I can’t find this weird M shaped vibration station cave. How peculiar that I can’t find it now since it was SO so so easy to find before… Can’t believe it, can you believe it?! So weird!”

[@culturebreath369]

That mine shaft was heavily searched as well and he was not found in there. 😢

[@clint_commander]

Caleb can you please start a new channel with Wendigoon to discuss more stuff like this and call it “My Two Dads” or maybe “2 Dad Too Furious”.

[@tizarataylor6029]

Lived in Vegas… Area 51 is strange. We never “””””” with any of it or its perimeters

[@Reddissleepingg]

I really enjoy the topics you chose to speak on in this video! This was a great video for your channel. I'd love to see more of your exploration into the weird parts of life.

[@theanthropiceyedolatry]

Dude, do you think Kenny had an online stalker who might have hunted him, making him leave his phone?

[@justinmedeiros7600]

Plz never stop these, I love these case study type vids

[@mitaskeledzija6269]

To make a parallel with Granger, Tesla also built a radio and was a pioneer in radio frequency back then, and he also stated that he could receive some signals from outer space whether it were aliens or idk.. so interesting..