Open Bar #44 - Rings of Power Ratings Disaster, Mandalorian Flops, Mario Bros Soars

[@Grizz1yKi11a]

KK: "What would George Lucas do? I wish we could ask him! But he's *gone*!" George: "STOP TELLIN' EVERYBODY I'M DEAD!" KK: *sobbing* "Sometimes I can STILL HEAR HIS VOICE!"

[@timothyfinch7295]

Wonder how long until Disney does a live-action remake of Brother Bear

[@dark_magician_sdy]

​@@timothyfinch7295 Trans sister bear coming soon

[@SleightlyPersonal]

@@timothyfinch7295 ohhhh, I hope never. Give it 15 years, though. They’ll have to figure out how to skirt the “appropriation” angle.

[@SleightlyPersonal]

@@dark_magician_sdy the Big Gay is my spirit animal

[@eriktatos]

Lmaoooooo ☠️

[@albertocruzado2899]

49:33 Its so great that the next day, almost literally, the prediction became reality.

[@GeeMannn]

He let his eldritch omniscience ability leak through

[@zeke7076]

Insert “Apollo and the gift of prophecy” meme

[@asherdales]

I refuse to call her a Skywalker. She is and always will be a Palpatine to me.

[@theinnerlight8016]

How generous of you. For me she doesn't even exist in canon 😂 Rotj was the end of the movies. As a kid I read most of the EU books and it's some good stuff, like Timothy Zahn's work. Kay Kay and Jay Jay didn't come close to the worst books. Star wars and me are divorced now and it's good. Some nice memories and no further expenses.

[@tymoteuszbryx249]

She ain’t a Palpatine. She is a Plank of Wood 😂

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

She's a nobody just like Kylo said

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

@@tymoteuszbryx249 So, a Plankatine.

[@tymoteuszbryx249]

@@alexandresobreiramartins9461 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏 brilliant!

[@justinrodriguez5957]

"Bowser's a simp!" All of us who have played the games. "Yes, that's accurate."

[@silenceyouidiot]

Flashbacks to The Paper Mario series when he was the ultimate simp, or Mario and Luigi where he gets possessed by an evil spirit to become the greatest menace to society, *Bowser in drag.*

[@nhagan001]

One does not kidnap a woman that many times and not send the message “I’m into you”.

[@sarov7658]

He dont hav a d tho so it's weird i always thought he did it to control the country

[@Rays326]

See I always ghought Bowser just LOVED being evil. Like committing big evil is his favorite and always has him in a good mood. His design honestly looks better with the evil smirk. That being said Odyssey certainly did set this narrative in stone lmao

[@grandarkfang_1482]

​@@Rays326 nah, Super Mario Sunshine did that. He lies to his son about Peach being his mother because he's that obsessed with her, and Bowser Jr. goes along with it because he wants to make his dad happy.

[@cdonamikaze4]

Disparu's comment on the Imperial Agent storyline from SWTOR is something I thought i'd never hear given how many people underrate that game. The Old Republic era is such a treasure trove of stories that i'm still shocked Disny havent plundered it yet. Then again, perhaps i'm glad they are untouched given what Disney are currently doing

[@sztallone415]

obviously because disney is so afraid the next product will lose money that they try to maximize profits by regurgitating old elements of the franchise to the point of remaking an old movie, and the new stuff must always be connected to existing things superficially, because otherwise people might not recognise that this is X. that's it was a given that Vader appeared in Kenobi despite making the series worse lorewise. they won't touch those stories, only on their deathbed because they deem them too niche and not having enough audience. they're stupid ofc. same with RoP - Sauron

[@landotucker]

I liked that storyline too. I played through all of the swtor class stories and that was probably my second favorite after the sith warrior. Kotor 1 & 2 were also great (I prefer 2 though because of Kreia) I agree with you that I'd rather disney kept their hands off these though because of what they'd inevitably turn into.

[@Eluxor]

​@@landotucker I always put Sith Warrior at the top, I am fan of the plot changes and switches from the IA story, but the SW one is just great. The voice actor, the smugness you can be, how you can be an evil asshole or an honorable warrior. It's just perfect. It gives you a real 'sith' storyline without making you the goodytwoshoes

[@alianablue]

Imperial Agent was the best one. The Sith Inquisitor had great lines if you played it as a power-crazed Sith lunatic (seriously, some great moments) but overall was weak. Going by all those great moments, if the writer for the Inquisitor storyline had had more time and, possibly, a good editor to help, it could've been great.

[@Valehass]

Shut the hell up, if Disney hear you they'll make a bunch of bastardised versions of the Old Republic, THE DISNEY WAY!

[@rubydoo3307]

It was wild to see Star Wars fans who previously called you toxic for your thoughts agree with you now. I really think the bad writing recently wore people down. Then it was wild to see Lucasfilm be so out of it, to start green lighting more things, like we’re going to cinemas after all this. Just a crazy three days in this fandom.

[@tymoteuszbryx249]

People liked Avatar 2, because it didn’t belittle us. It had a simple emotional message: family is most important. And that the father is important. Not stupid, not useless. “Role of the father is to protect”.

[@ievgengorniak7045]

"People liked Last Jedi, because it didn’t belittle us. It had a simple emotional message: Failure is the best teacher." Would be just as true as what you said. Both Avatars totaly belittle whole fucking humanity, painting us as retarded monsters bent on destroing all the ecosystems we can find. It's like Greta helped Cameron with script ideas... And putting some appealing message is easy, following it is the hard part. If you stop looking at the pretty pictures, you will see that: 1) Jake is covard who abandons his people and forces danger on water tribe 2) Irresponsible idiot who constanty attacks people holding his children hostage, which only works because his enemies don't understand that they are allowed to execute hostages 3) Is actually terrible father, who constantly puts down his second son for little to no reason, and does not give two shits about Spider. That movie was terrible and I tired of pretending otherwise, but people liked it because it had the pretty pictures and thats basically it. Film probably could have preached fucking socialism, and make comparable amount of money...

[@reignmans]

who could've thought you can make a strong female partner... without making the husband-male a completely stupid useless pos?!?! :O

[@HpArtcraft]

Yes. So sick of the lazy arguments against it. "No one is talking about it." And "it has no cultural impact.' Other people are talking about it and maybe the culture you associate with isn't into it.

[@theevermind]

​@@HpArtcraft As soon as I come across anyone is any of my social circles that brings it up, I'll consider that it make an impact. So far, I haven't met a single person in ANY situation who has mentioned it. Obviously, lots of people saw it, and I have no doubt plenty of those people I interact with saw it, but none of them are talking about it. When the first one came out, everyone was talking about it--or rather, they were talking about it being a movie (the effects, the 3D experience--whether it was cool or distracting or made them sick, how it was made, the fact that a kid's book report on Pocahontas was identical to it, etc.). There were some people who saw it lots of times, but most were impressed but indifferent. I was that way--I was wowed by the experience and never once had any urge to ever see it again. In a lot of ways, it was like Titanic. There were people who saw it 20 times. And there were a bunch of us who thought it was really well done but never wanted to sit through it again.

[@jimjamauto]

@@HpArtcraft There just ain't much to talk about though. I don't think that "no one" is talking about it, but the buzz is definitely nothing compared to the original. James Cameron set an extremely high bar on a technical level for what is basically Dances with Wolves in space. Doing it again is not as impressive and the story and characters are not strong enough for people to have much to say other than it was fun and it looked good.

[@blacksheep9505]

It should be called The Bo-Katanian. Most competent character in the show. She has seen the Mythosaur. The Darksaber belongs to her. I will always love Katee Sackhoff as an actor though. Edit: I almost forgot she doesn't have to wear a helmet like any other Mandalorian...

[@petechambers541]

She can have my helmet if she likes lol

[@Intreductor]

I am afraid I don't inderstand what the fuss is about. Given Bo Katan's history she seems like the only plausible choice.

[@ashscott6068]

@@Intreductor Then they should give her her own show that can fail after one season. The reason Mando is a side character in his own show now, is also the reason the ratings are plummeting and the writing is garbage: Disney saw that the show was hugely successful, and tried to use it to resuscitate every piece of dead Star Wars property. It started out as a new story, with new characters, but when it became successful, they just couldn't resist pumping in old characters from shit that's OVER, just cus they lack the talent or the nerve to create more new content. Clone Wars was a cartoon, that is now in the past. If they want to continue the stories of the characters from it, they sould just make a new series of it instead of hijacking another show, just because it was popular, and popular new material was something they were very VERY short of.

[@dragonknightleader1]

She also caused the fall of her own civilization, so is she the most competent or the most incompetent?

[@chasehedges6775]

@@dragonknightleader1 Both.

[@Spaceodin0]

Mauler is Omniscient at 49:49 ! HOW DID HE PREDICT THE MOST PREDICTABLE THING

[@madridforever933]

Notice Mauler is the only one here who hides behind a blank screen. He's too afraid to show his face lmao

[@Cosmic_Whimsy]

​@@madridforever933 no, he's hiding the fact he's an ai

[@JohnDoe-vm5rb]

Rewatch TLJ's review. He spitballed her being a palpatine long before the last film.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

​@@madridforever933 it's to conceal the horrifying truth, that Mauler is in fact Rian Johnson.

[@leannerose6181]

​@@MediumRareOpinions 😂😂

[@henryaston1]

Christopher Lloyd is only in the Mandalorian because he is a man still looking for his DeLorean

[@harbl99]

Oh no. They really did cast him for the meme, didn't they?

[@kylemundy8871]

Mandalorian has DeLorean Man

[@alejandroangel998]

I heard this story about how Bob Iger convinced George to sell Lucasfilm; basically Iger manipulated George by saying he didn’t have any children that could take care of the company and IP once he was gone. If this is true, that’s low on every level.

[@gabbycotto4024]

Lucas’ marriage fell apart because of tension over fertility issues. If that story is true Iger wasn’t just low, it was absolute scumsuckery.

[@yokaiou5848]

Iger is the Woke Sith

[@hungchoonghow5857]

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions...

[@chasehedges6775]

@@hungchoonghow5857 And the good intentions are paved by petty people(the people who hated the prequels)

[@chrisdin4109]

I mean that's still true. Honestly, I think if he stipulated that I'll sell it to you if you use my script it would of turned out better. I mean he might of had to take less money but at least there would be a base to build off of. George is so rich from star wars though he didn't need the money

[@yoshidracos.a.1125]

1:04:14 for the Super Mario Bros. segment

[@elenaphisher244]

Bless you 🙏

[@TheMagusOfTheMagnaCarta]

"Splinters of the Mind's Eye" was the first book published after the release of "A New Hope" in '77.... you could call it the first part of the Star Wars EU

[@TheVikingOfDisapproval]

Undisputed example of the best cameo ever: Glenn Close in Hook. As the bearded pirate that goes in the boo box

[@catmasterOP]

Awesome panel/group composition. Watched the entire thing live and will probably listen to it again soon! Much love, you deserve all the success you have!

[@chasehedges6775]

They’re content is just beautiful to watch

[@belongaskip]

​@@chasehedges6775 thei*re

[@liamphibia]

1:05:34 - 1:06:10 Love the shade and roast on Grace Randolph!🤣

[@NathanCassidy721]

It doesn’t take much to roast Dis-Grace. I was watching a stream highlight of from Mr H Reviews and words do not describe the levels of stupidity coming from the Anita Sarkisian of Movie Reviews.

[@terrystewart1973]

I think the thing with Avatar is that, with Pandora they created a realistic, and beautiful, alien world that you could believe in. And in my opinion probably the best realised alien world that has so far been created. People look at it, and think,"Yes, I'd like to visit such a world, or at least see more of it". The story is very much a secondary thing, especially the stories that we got. You could even make a case that Pandora is a fully developed world that is awaiting a good story.

[@sevartt9046]

Around 100 years ago, Ed Bernays wrote about how our likes, dislikes, interests and pretty much every aspect of our daily lives were manipulated by a relatively small number of men that we have never heard of. That was a century ago, imagine how bad it is now with the technology we have. Getting rid of a couple of producers isn't going to change anything.

[@SioxerNikita]

It is a relatively small number of people, but they also have very conflicting things they want to manipulate.

[@kaczan3]

Except its wamin doing it

[@SioxerNikita]

@@kaczan3 That's frankly more down to individuals and their wants and needs. You cannot force a population to do something they vehemently don't want to do, but you can make them want conveniences of various kinds, physical (transportation like a car), or mentally (like having a very easy to define enemy, like the communists, or a very simple ruleset to follow). Anything beyond that you will need some kind of force to uphold essentially. Like an army. But you would also need that to directly influence people to do so.

[@psoras]

I think it's about time someone made a parody of all the woke tropes. Make it crowdfunded or some shit. The main character being a female warrior, who's insufferable to everyone around her and who's never wrong - in her own head, because everyone else sees how bone-headed her plans are. She tries to help the poor and downtrodden of her universe, while at the same time mocking them for not keeping up with the times and actively making their lives worse. And plot twist: she's actually the main villain.

[@Show4224]

I’ve been waiting for the truly perfect plot for Spaceballs 2, I think this is it.

[@kaliefaul1905]

I'd pay good money to watch such a movie. Fuck, I'm tempted to *write* the damn thing.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

Velma practically qualifies.

[@araneljones]

That was actually the plot of the original Willow sequels. It could have been written better, but I loved the concept.

[@AcidifiedMammoth]

7:25 - 8:50 IS ABSOLUTE COMEDY GOLD damn it guys had me giggling at 3 in the morning.

[@electronichq974]

49:31 well Mauler, you jinxed it 😂

[@madridforever933]

Notice Mauler is the only one here who hides behind a blank screen. He's too afraid to show his face lmao

[@Сайтамен]

​@@madridforever933 You can google his face, he used to stream on twitch.

[@Strugen.]

You can Google image his face he doesn't hide it. This is just the way he does his streaming

[@batmanvsuperman_]

First thing that came to mind when I saw the Rey announcement 💀💀

[@arkoa0000]

​@@madridforever933 So when are you going to use your real name and put your real picture on your profile?

[@ruiscomps1553]

49:36 aged like fine wine

[@jackmesrel4933]

I fucking screamed when a friend sended me the news by Discord. Just, how? How can they be so blind? Not even talking about the execs on LucasFilm, but the shareholders. The last movie of the ST was a disaster, and the online backlash was even worse than with TLJ. So why the FUCK did they allow a product that is doomed to fail by the premise alone to go through production??? At least with the shows the premise itself weren't terrible ideas, it was the writting that cocked up, but this new trilogy of movies just shouldn't be allow to exist if you want return in your invesments. At this point I'm sure KK MUST have some incredibly daming dirt on all the high spheres of Hollywood, otherwise this is just inexplicable. I hate, I just fucking hate, uuuuurgh

[@kari2570]

Regarding superhero burnout, to me it's more just a lack of variety. Over the past 10 years if you remove all the big extended universes, there's been so few sci-fi/fantasy type movies. I want to see more solo movies, or maybe trilogies, that have nothing to do with the DCEU, MCU, Star Wars, or Star Trek.

[@LawlTwins]

The overpowered star destroyers are actually sharks with "frickin" laser beams on their head.

[@CursedWheelieBin]

“Frickin’” laser beams Dirk. Come on now 😂 You know this 🦈

[@LawlTwins]

@@CursedWheelieBin Oh damn you're right haha. my bad it's been a long time. Will edit it now ;)

[@roncondon4679]

You guys nailed the situation at Lucas Film. Now Drinker you gotta get Platoon and Razor together again, those guys are brilliant together..cheers

[@LawlTwins]

@@roncondon4679 ooh Ron, you accidentally posted your comment as a reply to me. Send it again!

[@N-GinAndTonicTM]

Lord of The Rings was always a part of the Big Three. You had Marvel for Superheroes. Star Wars for Sci-Fi. And you had Lord of The Rings for Fantasy. Everyone growing up chose one of these three paths to follow; and to see them all going down the same route now is... Upsetting to say the least.

[@chasehedges6775]

It’s depressing seeing these 3 go downhill

[@Hgh38]

All gone

[@etme1000]

Sauron's call...

[@GimbleOnDew]

I always included Harry Potter. LotR best movie(s) ever made, though.

[@leargamma4912]

I enjoyed Harry potter, amd DC's animated movies as well. And then the new 52 happened and made it mostly garbage near the end.

[@Kernwadi]

Own a sword for manor defence, since that's what the Magna Carta intended. Four heathens break into my cottage. "What in the Lord's name?" As I grab my aventail bascinet and windlass arbalest. Punch a bolt through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Throw a pot of naft at the second man and miss entirely since it's a hand thrown grenade in the dark and burns down the neighbour's harvest causing them to starve in the winter. I have to resort to the pot of boiling oil at the top of the hay loft "Deus Lo Vult!" The boiling oil completely drenches two men and cause them to scream in agony and writhe on the ground, racked with incomprehensible pain. The screams of pain frightens horses in nearby stables. Draw sword and charge the last terrified infidel. He bleeds out with no one to assist him since this is Feudal Europe and nobody gives a shit. Just as the Magna Carta intended.

[@stephenlyon1358]

Jingle Bells, England smells.

[@jackmesrel4933]

Beautiful

[@thomad4]

Avatars cultural impact is on the visuals, not on storytelling. The majasy of visual effects has a shelf life because computers keep getting better and better. So even amazing visual movies from +10yr ago are "dated". Where are movies like Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek (TNG)...etc have a cultural impact because the story being told. That is long lasting because a great story can be told in ANY medium and it will still be great!

[@iamnotyu5548]

agree with Tyrone. its not super hero fatigue, its fatigue of what they are doing with superhero movies, which unfortunately is harming other superhero movies.

[@andrewmontague9682]

1:49:14 Could Rings of Power really pull a Dallas and make the first season all a dream?!? 😂

[@Kernwadi]

“Past tense of ping is pong.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@ARC5555Fives]

Was that a line in the books?

[@harbl99]

What? It's clearly pang. Contrary to popular belief English has rules!

[@Plasmadolphin69]

shoutout to Echo for talking about the dogs at the start, I really miss seeing them turn around in the background occassionally

[@Show4224]

Avatar 1 being a fireworks show is an amazing way to explain how great it is and how little you care a week later.

[@chasehedges6775]

Yep.

[@Shiirow]

its literally the story of Pocahontas told with fireworks.

[@Show4224]

I think Pirates of the Caribbean proved that any type of movie can succeed regardless of previous failures. You just have to do it great.

[@thefgcsensei4482]

Disparu's point about Nostalgic properties being regarded fondly is based on the combination of them being something from one's childhood/formative years that is coupled with an impactfull life lesson/universal values/initiation to deeper concept was brilliant. and it is exactly how I feel about the Final Fantasy VII remake vs its original counterpart and why its just a fluffy facsimili without any of the depth and themes

[@jacobszymczak9323]

49:34 this aged like fine wine, only took a few days too

[@jacobfaro9571]

30:00 that is precisely the problem caused by mystery box style writing. They wanted the hyper speculation, because it’s clear they lacked any real plan.

[@laurelvanwilligen9787]

The best thing to happen to Daisy Ridley is Galadriel.

[@JMUDoc]

Daisy Ridley is the "Keira Knightley we have at home", IMO.

[@LeonKelevra02]

Please have Chris Gore and It'sAGundam back as often as possible. Great stuff

[@harryplopper9567]

I thought Mario was a terrific movie. It was entertaining. I used to go to the movies to be entertained. That’s what it did. I liked it

[@willnottel5598]

Oh my god, can we stop making cinematic universes? I'm sick of not being able to just pick something up, enjoy it, and be done with it. There are so many good concepts that you can't stretch out forever.

[@IRMentat]

Mando went from being an interesting western ish SW series to a bigger vesper jumping moment than bloba fett that now looks like a marvel movie with all the clean shiny CG, male MC being treated like an incompetent button of every joke and bad comedy moments.

[@bengunning3420]

Thank god for Mauler and the Drinker 🍻🍻🍻

[@chasehedges6775]

They’re content is awesome

[@Gator159]

🍻

[@emhu2594]

The other ones need to go away. They add nothing. Wish mauler kept making more content.

[@nhagan001]

Funny, y’all weren’t saying that last week about Mauler and crew when he was taking about John Wick…

[@thundercron77]

​@Em Hu they add nothing because there are too many. Three or four on Open Bar is good. Five or six is too many.

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

Murnau's Nosferatu is around since 1922, literally 101 years, and they're still releasing new editions of that movie and people still go to theaters to watch it. I bet 100 years from now people will be still watching the Star Wars OT and it will be always remembered as the immense monolith of a cinematic milestone it is, especially the 1st one, though Empire is objectively the better movie of all of Star Wars. The thing is these days Hollywood does not make movies, they make fast food, and that of the bad kind, that people consume because it's there, not because it tastes good.

[@SioxerNikita]

Like Hollywood always made? It is not just "these days"

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

@@SioxerNikita Yes, but now it's worse. You can't really compare what we have now with, say, the 1980s or 1960s. Now, the rare decent production comes from indie movies, because everything Hollywood makes needs to be big blockbusters. Yes, there's the occasional The Whale or (thanks, Japan!) the Super Mario movie. But the woke agenda has literally infested Hollywood, and that is not how it has always been.

[@SioxerNikita]

@@alexandresobreiramartins9461 You say "these days", that is inherently comparing it to the past. "Fast Food" movies have been produced for many many decades... And Hollywood has primarily been that. But cool, when you get called out, just move the goal post to Hollywood being infested, and not about your original claim. Good job! You won internet by changing the rules!!!

[@somethingboss]

Tyrone is always a great addition to the panel. Should have him on more often 👍🏼

[@vrika4280]

I don't mind him as a guest (seen him prob once), but I can't take his opinion seriously now.

[@veritasg9020]

18:16 Mando kneeling...? xD *Flashbacks to the last Underworld movie: Where a guy kneels in front of a lady's pelvis and next we hear what can only be described as ASMR rapid mouth sounds*

[@DickyReeves]

10:28 I am reminded of when they had DJ Khaleed play at the Blizzcon and absolutely zero fans watched or cared. That is what that Lizzo person is to Star Wars. She belongs in a maybe a holiday special as a sideshow joke but not a prominent anything

[@michaelplowman8674]

I always thought the best way for "The Batman" to have ended would have been right when he discovers that the flood is going to happen. He hears the bombs and you see fear on Batman's face as the water rushes into the city. The let movie 2 be dealing with the aftermath.

[@paranoyd70]

I wish I could be a guest on one of these streams, but I'm a literal nobody that most viewers would probably dislike anyway. But a man can dream. ;)

[@mrburton8842]

You could be the Self-Critical Drinker?

[@matthewmcguire1953]

Don’t let your Dreams be DREAMS bro!!!! Lol

[@myNameWasNobody75]

Avatar is a visual show. That's it. No one I talked about can name one character. The (original) matrix was also somewhat of a visual piece, but it did gave characters and a story

[@alejandroangel998]

36:00 I don’t know if you’ve seen Dexter’s lab, there’s this episode where Dexter’s dad thinks Dee Dee is dead and she’s right behind him saying “I’m right here” 😂

[@mikeoxlong3676]

The speed racer episode of Dexter. Classic.

[@IchigoKurosaki_]

1:03:38 Best quote I've heard in quite some time

[@Tai_Fung]

Co-signed!

[@WatanukiProductions]

I don't necessarily want a Nintendo cinematic universe. I just want Nintendo to make movies and shows but what I want from each franchise under their umbrella is different, I don't want them to all be animated(Metroid in live action please.) and I don't want them to all aim for a uniform art style in hopes of setting up a Smash Bros movie later on.

[@john_michael97]

Honestly Metroid has so much potential for adaptation in my opinion, given how influenced it was by movies of it’s time, most specifically Alien. Though I honestly can’t think of a single person I would cast as Samus.

[@FeistyClown1229]

I'm glad the Mario movie gave Charles Martinet something significant too.

[@ShadeofGaz]

Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder is pure gold

[@marsoelflaco5722]

That movie couldn't be made in today's market. 😢

[@Dariogrossi0]

Mauler predicted the new just announced trilogy 😂

[@radimnechut519]

1:33:40 What do you mean? It was so much fun, as a whole life Tolkien fan, watching Gandalf kill the psycho herbits, or Finrod telling 'Galadriel' BS pseudo allegories, and an original orc have more empathy and better character than 'Galadriel'! It was so much fun...

[@DekkarJr]

yay thanks for posting this :) i always miss the live show. great panel! I love Tyrone Magnus he's based AF but he's really huge here on youtube

[@Jafs]

For literally the first time magnus gave some proper opinions and some thoughtful insight. Good on him, I’ve criticised him before but he was interesting to listen to here

[@lilypacastsupper8922]

dancing on the grave of "rings of power" feels amazing!

[@chasehedges6775]

To contribute, I’ll just go rewatch the Peter Jackson films. They’re much better anyways.

[@etme1000]

happy hobbits dancing on Mordor's ashes

[@shamboholic]

Does anyone know what the name of the Countdown mix they use for most Open Bar and Last Call premieres? I like the music and was hoping to find a loop or source depending, but I seem to’ve only found the old mixes. Been meaning to ask but missed the last.

[@anthonysaylor8120]

We're in a world where I'm more fascinated by what they're doing with the Five Nights At Freddy's movie than anything in the new Star Wars films

[@kadewiedeman3127]

Oh shit, released on a Saturday? I actually get to listen to this on my work drive!

[@IamDeathIncarnate1337]

the irony is that the only thing I got from Star Wars recently that stayed with me was Andor, and that's cos they made the theme so important. I gave more of a shit about the Rebellion on Ferrix then I ever have about "The New Republic", which to be fair, is the biggest victim of recent Star Wars (compared to the EU). it's one thing to lose Leia, Han, Luke, but to see that we lost them so that they could give us a new "New Republic" which doesn't ever feel like a place worth fighting for, let alone giving a shit about (unlike the EU). will we end up saying "Thrawn was right"?

[@TheFourthWinchester]

But you're still watching it. That's what they want anyways.

[@davidbacon9244]

At 1:46:00, they talk about powerful women not needing to go battle and my mind got to Cersei and Olenna Tyrell in GoT, as two very powerful women clashing with wits and not swords in a medieval setting, nonetheless. And the mother in the first season of heroes, a overbearing presence done by a middle aged Lady. At times she was scarier than the villain. And Atia, in Rome, powerful woman 101. So they did know how to do it and is so more menacing than a girl with a sword.

[@darklordchauncy]

Oh I can't wait to see them use the clip of Mauler making that comment about a Daisy led movie.

[@sagarro5291]

Glad to see Tyrone Magnus on Open Bar! Cheers!

[@grayfox3081]

Agreed!!! Just seems like he needs a louder mic

[@Nortic111]

1:58:51 Yes! 'Splinter of the Mind's Eye' was the fist Star Wars novel separate from the movies, released a year after 'A New Hope'. It's what began the Expanded Universe, a canon which many dearly, dearly miss!

[@jacobfaro9571]

1:00:00 that “secret thing” you keep referring to is compelling narrative. The reason john wick is compelling isn’t just because some guy destroys a mafia in response to killing his dog. It’s about someone who has lost all those he cared about, and who can only find comfort in the last remaining thing he still has. The dog doesn’t judge him for his past and loves him no matter what. It’s what keeps him sane. The intro shows is how beaten down he is, and Once that dog is dead, he has nobody left to love, but plenty of people to hate. Little is more dangerous than a scorned man (or woman) with nothing left to lose, but everything to gain. If it just cut to him shooting the mafia the movie would be far less interesting. As for avatar, it’s more the prospect of a world untouched by man’s destructive behavior, hyper industrialization, and often cynical attitudes toward the world. It’s the potential to start over in a primal world. One with a new story, a new world to explore, a new culture, and new conflicts. I believe The reason so many of us barely remember or talk about the films, but get exited at new ones is because deep down we recognize that this world has immense potential for a fresh story, and are exited to see a good story be told within it, but so far it hasn’t. Yet we hold hope that one day someone will make a story within this world into something more than a visual spectacle.

[@tBOGGgle]

"That doesn't sound like a great review though" bro he literally encapsulated everything the movie was, told you he liked it, and then told you why he liked it. That is literally a review of the movie by definition and a pretty spot on one at that. Mario movie wasn't the buggest deal story-wise but it was very enjoyable and fun. Made me feel like I was playing again with all my buddies back in the day

[@Gutslinger]

Disparu was right. It didn't sound like a great review. It sounded like a review that a normy would give. The type that always gives it a good review just because they like the property, and not much more.

[@kingleech16]

For Westerns, my favorites are probably The Searchers and Tombstone (very different flicks, but I like them both!)

[@maulressurected4405]

I love Tombstone, I think they can be successful but also can be easily over done. Depends on the story would love to see a Red Dead type of Western Movie.

[@jaredschmidt8013]

Calling Rey a Palpatine is equally as disrespectful if you ask me. Palpatine was actually a good and well-developed character. Rey just picked up a lightsaber one day and was going head to head with trained Jedi and Sith. It was just wahmen power from the beginning. Best to just forget about the sequels and exclude them from canon

[@no_activity]

Mario had the best nostalgic sound I've heard in a film.

[@paulware4701]

1:00:00 (Approx) I think the reason why things like Harry Potter and Star Wars have an impact that Avatar lacks comes down to one thing: they all have obvious antecedents and influences, but to borrow a reviewers' word, those other movies are transformative of their source material and Avatar isn't. Star Wars (to take one example) uses ideas, cliches, and tropes from westerns, samurai films, WWII movies, etc., and then turns them into something different and very genre specific. Avatar takes the same source material and regurgitates it wholesale. The biggest and most obvious one is Dances With Wolves, where the ripping off is so blatant that Avatar should have been slapped with a copyright infringement suit.

[@thorssensgamesNCC1701]

You guys are awesome. I laid down to relax and listen for the first time and I am now subscribing. Comfort food and common sense that respects the source material for my ears, oh yeah.

[@jwroot]

1:05:55 "Shocking misfire for Illumination, the only bad movie they've ever made." *Hop exists*

[@SteelMoments]

Disparu is spot on: Deus ex was a fantastic video game with an rich story, interesting characters, and even had a really great soundtrack. It would make a fantastic movie.

[@333animemaster]

Yeah but it covers a lot of stuff that would be considered "uncomfortable" so either it wouldnt be touched orrrrr they water it down to a shell of itself

[@tomkoch3495]

@Derek Martin I’m not familiar with Deus Ex but a friend told me it’s essentially the original blade runner.

[@SteelMoments]

@@tomkoch3495 it's really not. It has some parallels but they're different stories. Blade Runner is about artificial humans, whether or not you could tell the difference, and the morality of creating them. Deus Ex is about real humans enhancing themselves with technology, the morality of that, a multinational corporation profiting from technology that causes its customers illness, using technology to effect immortality... Obviously there's a lot more to both but it's been a very long while since I've played the game, and there's only so much you can say in a KZbin comment. 😏

[@tomanoidii8212]

If you're a fantasy fan and haven't read Malazan - do it. One of the most epic-epics - and you don't even have to hope the author finishes it...

[@TheSharkIsWorking_23]

37:02 if Mark Hamill had broke his contract and walked away refusing to shoot TLJ. Disney would’ve sued him for the same amount of money that TFA made at the box office. Disney also would’ve tarnished his name and gotten fans to hate him for refusing to shoot TLJ without us ever seeing it. Hamill would’ve been blacklisted in Hollywood and would never work again. Mark Hamill had absolutely no choice once he signed on to do the films.

[@Brett-rx8sr]

Wait, do you guys not know about Ark 2? The trailer for it is literally Vin Diesel riding a dinosaur with his family after getting off a spaceship. Your wish has been granted!

[@nicholaskinkaid]

The reason 'superhero fatigue' (SF) is less likely to happen compared to (your example) westerns is because there is a vast variety within the sub genre as well as more relatability to the characters. For Western in particular, there are only a few type of personalities that can make a general appeal and avoid being a niche preference. But for superheroes, you can hit nearly every spot on the preference spectrum for personalities AND the superpowers AND a combination of the 2 traits (e.g. a Superman character with The Punishers background and personality). That's NOT to say just because a movie is a superhero movie, it's foolproof (plenty of examples to show it's not). However the potential for success is definitely there within the genre.

[@theglanconer6463]

Rings of Power can still be saved by ignoring this season, start it up again with season 1, hire writers instead of activists, hire actors instead of activists, hire producers instead of activists, hire directors instead of activists, stay true to the lore, stay true to the Master & don't insult the Tolkien Army (trust me those lads and lasses ain't the same as the hardcore Marvel herd that will feed on absolutely anything thrown before their snouts) and ! make billions. But they won't do it. They simply refuse to do it. It's beyond frustrating. No rephrase that, it's descending into apathy (and that's even worse). We will always have the books and Jackson's LotR.

[@baltharaaz9847]

I wish The Little Platoon was on for this Open Bar; his video on Avatar 2 describes everything I believe is wrong with the movie. There's no cultural impact because the story is ultimately hollow and exists solely to place the visuals on the screen. Avatar exists to tingle the senses rather than satisfy our minds with storytelling; it feels like Pandora and Avatar are constantly saying, "Look at this!" Nothing about the story underneath that visual is compelling; it's all stolen/"borrowed"/"inspired" content we've heard before more competently.

[@deeta000]

There was a division in the Star Wars fanbase before The Last Jedi, in 2014 when Disney killed the original continuity. Back then most people were optimistic about Disney taking over so the division was very small compared to now, but it did exist.

[@KelaVakuya1]

Please install a Critical Dogo camera!

[@doublep1980]

None of James Cameron's Smurf movies made any ''cultural impact'', because they're simply not movies. They're tech demos.

[@SioxerNikita]

They are movies... but plenty of movies don't have any "cultural impact". Mulan had a big cultural impact, Pocahontas not so much. You simply have a false dichotomy here.

[@jacksmith4460]

Seriously I thought Mandolorian was shite within the first 3 episodes, I could not finish the first season

[@chasehedges6775]

First season was great, imo. However, looking back, I will admit that it looks kinda cheap.

[@jackmesrel4933]

Wasn't the best, wasn't the worst, it was just fine. A decent enough palate cleanser after the shitshow the ST was. But yeah, even the first season if you examine it with any degree of critical mindset, it falls apart rapidly

[@chasehedges6775]

@@jackmesrel4933 👍👍

[@chewie8]

Star Wars is doomed once Disney mentioned Rey is coming back.

[@genghistron7035]

Star Wars was doomed when Disney was mentioned..

[@Mister-Six]

Star Wars died when George sold it to Disney.

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

"But feloni is erasing the disnoid trilogy. Our Lord and saviour fElOnI!"

[@rasul01]

​@@yetanotherspuart3993 Feloni is trash

[@BurnDoubt]

​@@yetanotherspuart3993 cant wait until he introduces the time travel schlock from tHe CaRtOoNs

[@PaulusAlone]

Man, I felt for Echo Chamberlain when he asked if anyone had read the Star Wars novel: “Splinter Of The Minds Eye” and the guys were ALL clueless…? I was like, HOW can you like OT Star Wars and NOT have read that novel? Effing kids…LOL It was literally the first of the Star Wars expanded universe/Legends novels written by Alan Dean Foster back in 1978 and it was the second Star Wars book I ever bought back in the day from an old Woolworths store circa 1978/79. Aah~ The ‘Member berries are speaking to me. Leave an old man to his memories. Go away now!🤤

[@centerfield6339]

Rip Woolworths.

[@PaulusAlone]

@@centerfield6339 - I know, right? That store had everything. 🫡

[@DipankarGhosh007]

Just came here to thank the drinker for recommending Cobra Kai, damn i was fed up of Hollywood. Thanks for recommending this one.

[@Shino2288]

Disparu at 1:35:21 Exactly, that's why I am here to watch the dumpster fire

[@IamDeathIncarnate1337]

when I saw them both I almost felt that The Next Generation or Stargate feel because all of a sudden there'd be some random celebrity, usually a fan. I think that was before they had Whoopi, so I guess I didn't do a big "whoa". I think it was strange to have three of them in one episode though. I think if they'd had Black and Lizzo in one episode, and then later Lloyd then it wouldn't have been so jarring. tbh it takes a lot to un-immerse me. the irony is, that it was one of the better episodes because shit actually happened. something ain't right.

[@junque396]

Regarding the empire/republic moral equivalency argument at the 2:22:00 mark, the republic is not “just as bad” as the empire. They’re worse. Consider- in order to maintain the idea of “The Republic are the good guys!” You have to assume that they’re too stupid to make a therapeutic device that can’t be used as a torture device just by pressing a button. I’d argue they did it on purpose. Especially given their history. Remember that; after defeating the imperial forces on the moon of Endor; Leia, Han and Luke sat down with the Ewoks- who were already established as cannibalis in the first reel and only stopped trying to cook Han Solo alive because C-3PO impersonated their god(!)- surrounded by a bunch of empty storm trooper armor. What are we supposed to assume happened to the former occupants of the armor? The empire may be willing to blow up planets (which is arguably justifiable under just-war doctrine) but at least they don’t torture and eat their enemies just to restore power to the hands of a divine-blood aristocracy with laser swords.

[@jonbaxter2254]

I'm sure you guys are overjoyed about Rey getting a new film...

[@chasehedges6775]

I’m not.

[@chasehedges6775]

Daisy Ridley deserved better

[@nobody2021]

1:04:00 is when they start talking about the Mario Brothers movie

[@cuccooverlord9812]

Thanks!

[@N3gro74]

1:04:00

[@abandhanship]

49:31 well here we are now 😂

[@AscendingAdventures]

The sequels should be legends. The old EU is cannon. Where did heroes like Luke and Cade and Canderous Ordo go? Where did the spectacular villains like Caedes Crayt, and Nihil go.

[@J.Hermansson]

Star wars, Escape from New York, Alien, Warriors, The Exorcist, Deer Hunter, Little Big Man, Halloween, One flew over the cuckoo's nest, Pappilon, just some of the movies I grew up with, I remember them all and they where made in the 70's. Today I've seen tons of movies but there are very few that I can even remember. That says something about the quality of movies being made in resent times.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

You always remember more stuff from your teens and early 20s more than anything in your life. That's well known.

[@Valehass]

Superchat: "Lizzo the Hutt" Drinker: quickly moves tot next superchat

[@patrickthomas2119]

on Super Mario; I took my 7 year old son to see it a couple of days ago and I didn't hate it but I was also incredibly bored by it. It came across like any other superhero origin film and I felt like they were rushing to push as many cameos as possible to try to set up a Nintento cinematic universe. I still hope they are successful, my kids will like them and Illumination studios right now doesn't do any woke garbage (that I have noticed anyway; Super Mario did emasculate Mario in several scenes and made sure that the princess was never in a compromised position, never can be a damsel in need of rescue from Mario the entire film). We will see how it goes.