Opening Sealed Vinyl Records From 1957 Proving That Poly Baggy Inner Sleeves Existed In 1950s & 60s

[@Pluralofvinylisvinyls]

I love finding them sealed in those bags and those old wax paper inner sleeves

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Me too. It doesn’t happen often though. ✌🏽

[@marktubeie07]

Fun fact, here in Australia ALL albums from the start of microgroove (LPs & EPs) came in those plastic baggie sleeves from the start to the late 60s. They then changed to those common poly sleeves. Actually, we never had albums in a paper sleeve except for some budget labels and any import albums from the USA. Great channel BTW, cheers!

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

High standards out there! 👍🏽👍🏽 I’ve not come across many Australian pressings in the U.S. Very cool to know. Thanks for sharing. 🤘🏽

[@EmbryonicRobot]

Educational! I have a couple of 1960's LPs with plastic sleeves, but I never knew if they were original, though they look old. I guess they are original 🙂

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

@@EmbryonicRobot I’ve seen so many of the I just accepted that they were original. I rarely come across sealed originals with these baggies so this sealed OG was undeniable confirmation for me. Great to hear from you, Brian. ✌🏽

[@arzabael]

Thanks for another innocent verdict man!! The cases keep piling up. Ive come to anticipate these videos as episodes of a series about debunking the sealed record argument

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Just trying be informative about the sleeves topic sealed or unsealed. Thanks for being a part of it brother! ✌🏽

[@henryschmidt-f3y]

I have run into several Columbia, Verve & MGM records that had sealed bags like the ones you have been showing. However in the late 60's a similar round bottom plastic bag was made as a repleacement sleeve and I replaced many original onion skin and paper sleeves with these. I took out and looked at some of these record about a year ago the plastic sleeve had no ill effect and the records were find. The only problem I used to have was in the polly lined innersleeve that comanies like "LONDON , " DGG" & "ANGEL" was using - it any huminity was present over the years it put a perminent stain on the record that was audible -- it just runied the discs.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Hi Henry. So disappointing to hear about your ruined records. It’s seems as though high humidity is also a really bad condition for records with poly inner sleeves. Many years ago I recall coming across a vintage cardboard package of those poly inner sleeves with the round bottom. I just left them behind because I didn’t like the rounded bottom. It’s great that we’re finding out the potential dangers of these products so we can avoid harming our precious records. Thanks for watching and sharing.

[@henryschmidt-f3y]

@@TheVinylRecordMission Another company that used the round bottom plasic bags was Liberty and their associated label like Pacifc Jazz and even Blue Note - it's possible that for the companies involved it was a cheap way to package records after the ran out of the standard paper inner sleeves within a run. However it would be interesting to see if only1 pressing plant was responsible for using these. Perhaps this one plant could be used to process over runs that the original pressing plants could not handle. As far and the inner poly lined innersleeves go they were still being used by some componies into the 1990's. The were being used by Musical Heritage Society pressings (a classical label who imported recording from Europe and beind the iron Curtin) and Blue Note (after Capitol took over the line) and there are probably others including some audiophile labels. One company who did make the from sale was LEBO but my experiances with the polylined sleeves scared me so when ever I found the on a used record I would throw the away and use plain paper sleeves I am ever scaried to try the new ones being made today since paper cover plastics don't breath.

[@djjoeykmusic]

Great video Thank you so much Have a wonderful one Blessings

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Thank you! You too! Appreciate you brother, Joey. BBAY.

[@michaelmuncy3593]

I recently picked up a couple of Brubeck six-eyes at the thrift shop and they had these same poly bag sleeves. I assumed that they were replacements, apparently not. Another fun fact!

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

@@michaelmuncy3593 Right on, Michael! Cool of you to share. Those six-eye Brubeck albums are great to have!! A lot of folks think the poly bag sleeves from those days got thrown out because they were difficult to handle and slide back into the cover. Enjoy the Brubeck! 💪🏽👍🏽👍🏽✌🏽

[@donaldleen933]

You are correct about the poly bags. That is why so many albums are found with no paper sleeves. The poly sleeves were hard to re use and often were thrown away.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

That makes a lot of sense. The poly bags can be a pain for those who aren’t patient. I’m sure that’s why so many of the got tossed in the trash as you said. Thanks for watching and commenting. ✌🏽

[@ssnoc]

Wow that makes perfect sense - I was wondering why so many had no sleeves - very interesting

[@sherwoodbergseid7409]

Budget label records did not come with an inner sleeve.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

@ I’ve witnessed that too. 👍🏽👍🏽

[@7BobbyGaylor7]

Hey Steve. Another great and informative video! I would have lost money betting that they did not use poly/plastic bags to put records in 50 to 60 years ago. Learn something new everyday. Cheers

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Hi Bobby. Yeah this inner and outer sleeve rabbit hole has taken me hostage lol. Leaning something new everyday as well. ✌🏽

[@rEdf196]

I had an original Grateful Dead debut album which had a likely original poly round bottom inner sleeve, I recall many plastic inner sleeves from my grandma's record collection from mostly 1960's era adult contemporary and classical. Back in the day most folks just tossed out the inner sleeves when bought new. In 2002 I acquired a free 300 plus vinyl record haul of albums from the mid 1960's to late 70's. although many discs were in descent shape, every inner sleeve was tossed out when bought new I had to spend a fair amount of $ to replace with new audiophile type sleeves

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

So true, most of the records I come across from those eras are missing the inner sleeve. Re-sleeving records can get expensive. It’s a worthwhile investment to keep our records in great condition. Thanks for commenting. ✌🏽

[@analogueanorak1904]

I’ve been lucky enough to pick up in the wild a fair number of the Gold and Orange Decca LXT Classical music LP’s, circa 1949-54, most of them were still in very similar plastic inner sleeves and found that hardly any showed any kind of interaction with the vinyl. This is in marked contrast to the period 1965-74 where the Decca plastic and paper inner sleeves are sadly very prone to become tacky and either raise the noise floor or trash the vinyl.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Thanks for sharing this information with us. It seems like big companies are always searching for ways to cut costs. I would imagine that during the mid 60s to mid 70s the manufacturers were changing the composition of either the plastic baggy inner sleeves or the vinyl itself to save money and increase profits. That could be what eventually led to the two items reacting to one another negatively. Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@dimebagdave77]

Oh the anticipation....

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Can you believe that sucker has been trapped in that baggy for 60 years! Crazy to me that it never got opened.

[@vincentrathbone26]

Even in Australia those PVC sleeves were used from the mid 50's - mid 70's, luckily most of the records I've found from that time period have survived without being effected by the dreaded off-gassing, but every now and then I would find records with severe ghosting.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Hi Vince. I’ve have my share of a few damaged 50s and 60s records that came in those plastic baggies. Luckily most have been ok. Based on what some of my viewers have shared, poor storage conditions (as in heat and moisture) are the main reasons the sleeves react with the vinyl. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Hello from the U.S. 🫶🏽

[@Pluralofvinylisvinyls]

I have seen some of those Columbia 6-eyes where the plastic bag kind of melted and stuck to the vinyl.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

I believe it. I’ve peeled a few of these Columbia plastic baggy inner sleeves off records myself too.

[@johnmcbarron7282]

I've opened old sealed Columbia record poly bags that off gassed. 😔

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

@@johnmcbarron7282 Hi John. Sorry to hear that. The records must have been subject to some extreme temperatures and or humidity. I’m still trying to find out if anyone knows the exact material composition of those 50s/60s inner sleeve baggies. Thank you for watching and sharing your experience, I wish it were a better one for you. Take care. ✌🏽 Steve

[@JeffryHeise]

Columbia had poly sleeves that were sealed and had their logo printed on them in orange ink and I have had no problems with them. Audio Fidelity also had their own plastic sleeves along with Decca when stereo came out in the late 50's.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Hi Jeffrey. Man I’d love to get my hands on one of those Columbia sleeve baggies with the orange ink logo. That sounds really cool. Glad you’ve never had a problem with them. Thanks for watching and commenting. ✌🏽

[@ab3000x]

I’ve unsealed a record from the mid 1960s with the same perforated round-bottom inner poly sleeve - it looked new. I wish all records came with them. I also wish all LPs came with baggy perforated outer poly sleeves (not shrink wrap) like the Blue Note Tone Poet series.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

I agree. Loose baggies are so much better for the cover and vinyl both. I love the new tone poet baggies. ✌🏽

[@dimebagdave77]

Don't have to prove anything to me man, I've been finding those things in old pressings for many years..

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

I figured you be in the know bro 😎 Always great to hear from you, Dave. 🤘🏽✌🏽👍🏽

[@adeadhead423]

“That sounded pretty good. There ain’t nothing wrong with that record.” 😂

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

🤘🏽✌🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@davidbaise5137]

Wow. If you are watching this, you got some time on your hands.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Others might have time on their hands, David, but I make time because I’m crazy that way lol. ✌🏽

[@Texeq]

As you are finding out - and posting - polypropylene itself has nothing to do with fogging or hazing on vinyl surfaces. Lets say you live in a fairly new house, you don't smoke, and you have a range hood & fan for cooking that you use. You clean and vacuum fairly regular. You keep a clean household. After a couple years, you notice an ever so slight haze to some windows in your house. You wipe a finger across it and see a 'clear' swipe mark. Where did that film come from? A whole host of different sources; exhaling breath, skin exfoliation (skin has oil in it), cooking (ranges are not 100% efficient). Heating sources (add 10 points if your heat is gas or oil based). Paints and glues and wood finishes breaking down over time, pets, doors and windows open on warm days. Traces of everything from outdoors get in even from far away; vehicle exhaust, backyard and brush fires, industry, etc etc. Well that film builds up on everything in a house, including your records. Environment is everything. Its why one record from 1965 here today can be quite pristine, yet an identical one from the same year can be hazy and sticky. (I'm leaving out the actual handling of records, thats a whole nuther element....)

[@SonicPVC]

The atmosphere is rife with grime

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Hi Tex. It really is a science and you have it down pat. Life’s daily elements will differ from household to household resulting in no two environments being the same which in turn results in no two outcomes being the same. Thank you for helping us understand and see the big picture when it comes to how environmental conditions affect our record collections. 👍🏽✌🏽✌🏽💪🏽

[@TheHogsEarReport]

Thank you for continuing further with this subject. Epic (CBS) also used poly bag inners in the 60s, Yardbirds albums had them. I have a couple different Columbia paper inner sleeves, same style but different colors. You may know them, they have bold vertical stripes. One is two tone blue, and the other is white with gray stripes. My six eye debut Bob Dylan LP had the gray stripped inner sleeve with it when I bought it used. My Bob Dylan Freewheelin' with the black 360 sound banner at the bottom of the labels, had the blue striped inner sleeve with it when I bought it used. Do you know if this sounds correct? Evidently Columbia used paper sleeves then switched to poly bags around 1964? and then in 1968 went back to paper. The main thing I'm wondering is, do the gray striped sleeves pre-date the blue striped sleeves?

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Thank you for continuing to join me on my going down the rabbit hole 🕳️ of inner and outer sleeves 🤣😂. I’ve become slightly obsessed with everything about both inner and outer sleeves. I’m really enjoying learning about the evolution of them. I love those striped Columbia paper inners! They are nice and thick which makes them slightly more resilient to splitting. There’s a whole other topic, Best Paper Inner Sleeve Design. I appreciate your enthusiasm and participation very much! Thank for making it cool 😎 ✌🏽

[@45rockinwax]

PVC outer sleeves are bad I know they give off gas ,I've had some picture discs stored in this type in the past, funnily enough though the picture discs were ok ,but I got rippled marks from HDPE inner sleeves that have been in a cold car ,the damp air got in and made them ripple and thus the discs were marked, not just records either but CDS.had it too,, they have to be stored in a warm and dry environment, I had a collection stored by a friend in a basement one time and rising damp ruined some covers and made them wavy, I wasn't too happy about him putting them in the basement :)

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

What a bummer about your discs. The particular sleeves in this video did no damage because they contain very little if not zero PVC. Moisture can damage of it own to records and CDs. Good to know we shouldn’t store our CDs and records in the basement. Thanks for sharing. ✌🏽✌🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@Texeq]

One thing about record collecting: lots of bad info and mythology out there. In the mid 1960's when record sales starting rising dramatically, Columbia, which usually used unique printed inners, began using plain white paper and half round polypropylene inners. My experience, going back to the 60's, is about 1/4 of Columbia product then came with the poly inners.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Thanks Tex! I was wondering if anyone would have any idea or approximate idea of how many of the baggy inners got issued. Of course you did 😂 💪🏽💪🏽👍🏽👍🏽✌🏽

[@Texeq]

@@TheVinylRecordMission The 4:1 ratio I think is fair because 40+ years ago I paid attention to inners and their condition. One other thing is that the poly bags were mainly an east coast / midwest product. West coast distribution the paper inner sleeve was more typical. As far as numbers, this was an era where pop albums were beginning to sell in huge numbers. The Simon & Garfunkel and early Byrds albums from the mid 60's were selling to the tune of several hundred thousand soon after release. Thats a lot of poly bags even if the 1:4 is correct. In 1967-68 Columbia started using a distinct blue-gray paper sleeve on many releases (Notorious Byrd Bros, S&G Bookends, etc.)

[@poetsdreamsatc]

Hey Steve! I’ve been inspecting all my records since I saw your video about off gassing. Now I am going through all of my vinyl. However I have a question. I was recently pulling my albums out to play and noticed a film on my fingers after pulling out the LPs. I have all albums in sleeve covers. Am I over paranoid? Do I have to worry about the album covers now? Some clear sleeves are from Mofi, some Eveo and other brands but they’re either polypropylene or polyethylene sleeves. Is there a difference? Why is there a film? SHOULD there be a film? I can feel it on my hands. It’s a no smoking house and my music room is away from the kitchen. I’m worried that the film will ruin my covers and possibly the vinyl. What do you suggest or recommend? I apologize for the novel long text. Thank you in advance. 🙏 - Debbie

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Hi Debbie. It sounds like you’re doing everything right. Do you have high humidity in your area? That’s the only thing I can think of. My open top polypropylene outer sleeves get a bit hazy over time but nothing like a film that I can feel on my hands. It doesn’t sound like off gassing. I’m slowly replacing all my outer sleeves with open tops with re-sealable sleeves. It’s kind of expensive but worth it keep the elements out. I’ll share your message with my cousin who owns a record supply company and see if he can better answer your question. Sorry I don’t have a complete answer for you. Thanks for watching, Debbie.

[@arzabael]

@@TheVinylRecordMission just be weary of mold if your records are going to be sealed air tight man, if any moisture is in there when you close it up… I know you’ll be golden though man.

[@poetsdreamsatc]

@@TheVinylRecordMission Thank you for your reply! I live in the southwest so it’s dry with no humidity. I don’t understand why the sleeves would have such a film. Thank you for your input. I do appreciate it. Love your videos! I always learn something. ❤️ - Debbie

[@SonicPVC]

What is the verdict? Polypropelyne good, PVC bad? Also , what if the hazing phenonemon has to do with release agents in the record? Or a reaction between the two? Inquiring minds want to know ...on 1010wins😅

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Hi SonicPVC. It’s very complicated I guess. Right when I think I’ve figured it out something new happens lol. For now I think the two worst culprits are thick PVC and extreme weather conditions.

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

Ackshually .... they only used animal hide and bone and wood bark back in the '50s cuz they didn't have plastic back then, lol.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

😂😂 Nice one 👍🏽👍🏽

[@ploppill34]

Prove? Did someone claim they didn't exist back then? I thought this was common knowledge.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Yeah there was a viewer who insisted they only made thin paper inner sleeves in the 50s and 60s.

[@ab3000x]

I 100% believe you but don’t move the record out of frame or make an edit (time jump cut) to prove something. Keep it in frame at all times.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

Appreciate the tip. I’ll work on my production skills. 👍🏽👍🏽

[@ab3000x]

@@TheVinylRecordMission Your production is fine but haters will say you switched the records.

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

@@ab3000x lol you’re right about the haters. Fortunately I’ve haven’t experienced many of those yet. I appreciate you looking out for me. 💪🏽🤘🏽✌🏽

[@NoMoreMrNice]

Please don’t say 1966 is old 😂😂😂

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

My apologies. I should know better I’m going to be 57 on Thursday 10-31 lol. Thanks for the laugh 😂. ✌🏽💪🏽

[@NoMoreMrNice]

@@TheVinylRecordMission No worries at all! Happy early birthday to you! 🎉🗳️🍾

[@TheVinylRecordMission]

@@NoMoreMrNice I appreciate that! Thank you very much! 🎉🥳 🎂 🍾