OpenMediaVault First Impressions - My NEW Backup Server NAS OS

[@HaimPeretz]

In the past I used Openmediavault with raspberry pi 4 8gb and Argon m.2 case with 8tb external drive and a lot of docker containers. All works great! The only reason I moved to i7 7700 cpu with mini itx motherboard is because I need more cpu power for the Plex docker container.

[@frederickgrayson5177]

I've been running OMV since v 2, more than six years. Currently running v 6 but can multiboot back to v 5 if needed. I recently moved it over to an ebay purchased Chenbro NR12000 1U headless server that got used but like new for $162.00US. It has thirteen hard drives in it (maxed out) currently serving up more than 62TB of content. It's running a dozen dockers for me.

[@ITBlanka]

I was subscribed since the collab with HHaven, but the bell was 'personalized' after 10s and seeing you are a man of culture and know about my memes folder, categorized by theme and date, I had to tick the notifications to all.

[@rcdenis1]

Been running omv 5.x on a raspberry pi 3B+ and a 250Gb ssd for about a year now with no problems or complaints. I purchased a quality power supply (wall wart) as the ssd is powered through the pi's USB connector.

[@bryanrobinson1980]

I use this as my NAS software on a Raspberry Pi4, in an Argon M.2 case and a 3TB Seagate Desktop HDD for storage. Very user friendly, at least with the latest version. With the OMV Extras, docker containers aren't intimidating and portainer is a dream for managing the containers.

[@lukaswaldbauer4667]

I have very similar constellation here. Have you tried to send your HDD to standby or spindown mode? My HDD over USB 3.0 (Seagate 8TB) runs all the time and I'm bit of afraid, that the HDD gets broken, if this runs so continuously.

[@bryanrobinson1980]

@@lukaswaldbauer4667 I haven't, but probably need to do it. I really want to setup a RAID configuration for redundancy and my wife works form home, so she is constantly on the server working with documents and other files.

[@koantoniou]

Omv baremetal for me... I have a small 2bay Synology for my family, but MY NAS box runs omv with 29 docker containers. It's not easy to set up or troubleshoot, but the documentation is awesome and once you get more familiar with it it's a great experience. It's very resource friendly, it doesn't require a ton of ram and you can get away with old-cheap PC parts. One feature I'm missing is VMs, up until version 4 we had virtualization, not anymore... Debian 10 and beyond doesnt support virtualbox. Cockpit is ok, but I would like another option to run vm on omv

[@stephanejaglin221]

Thanks for a nice and simple introduction to OMV. Personally I had various QNAPs NAS through the years and currently run one of them and OMV on a raspberry pi 4. I have done so for 2 years now and had far less issues with OMV. I can't think of anything I can do on the QNAP that I can't do on my OMV machine. With hindsight I would put all my dollars on a better OMV setup but I am quite addicted to QNAP so will stick to both with the QNAP being the backup.

[@JavierChaparroM]

OMV was the only thing my old $25.00 HP workstation could run haha, I guess installing it bare metal has a little less hiccups, I didn't had to do the corrections for the IP type it was trying to pull, I sure do love that it's a really light/solid system that could run pretty much EVERYWHERE hahaha and give you great options, you pointed things I have never payed attention to before before haha! I have homework now!

[@psiborg6072]

OMV rules! I am using a RockPro64 with a 4 port sata card, running 4 x 4TB HDD's in RAID 10. I am not running Plex so there is plenty of processing power. Rock solid

[@vesder819]

Open Media Vault also have very friendly developers and moderators. Good NAS and great community.

[@benjamincarlson703]

I'm a turbo-nerd so I use a raspberry pi 4 to host two USB3 drives via iSCSI & I connect to them from a freeBSD and an ubuntu machine. I use sanoid/syncoid for snapshots and backups, took a while to get everything figure out but now its really solid.

[@RaidOwl]

Hell yeah that’s dope

[@SchoolforHackers]

Wow. Exotic.

[@mdh.3421]

What kind of speed do you get from that setup?

[@benjamincarlson703]

@@mdh.3421 It will saturate a gigabit link. I dont thin it would go much faster than that, the pi's CPU is pretty busy transferring at gigabit speeds.

[@m4nc1n1]

I have been in IT for 20+ years and I am all for DYI, but if you can afford to go Synology you should absolutely do so. I got the 1820+ and bought a 16GB RAM kit and a 10GB card for not that much money (but not dirt cheap either) and coming from Enterprise hardware I am more than happy and very impressed.

[@RaidOwl]

I’ve never owned a Synology system but I’ve only ever heard good things.

[@mdd1963]

Until, of course, their chassis and/or PSU craps out on you 1 day past warranty, in which case now you regret the non-standard parts they chose, including mainboard and PSU...

[@lordhighbinary2006]

I think a lot of it is more: Do you want to save money and have full control of your hardware/software, but have to occasionally tinker with the device... OR just want something that "just works" and no touchy, until it doesn't then you'll have to go buy a new one to replace it (aka: an appliance)

[@ironfist7789]

Yup, I got synology (218?) with 2 x 6tb for parents and the custom box for myself. Nice little boxes with the synology drive backup client.

[@MattijsHoitink]

This was a great overview of OMV, awesome video. I would love to see a video on installing it on a Raspberry Pi as I'm leaning in that direction. Especially combined with booting the Pi from an ssd instead of a memory card.

[@apnoon1]

Thanks for the video! Just throwing it out there, I've been running OMV6 on a 2GB Pi4B for over a month without a single crash or reboot. The UI is slightly improved and it's steadily running 10 docker containers, including pi-hole (DoH via Cloudflared) and a Jellyfin server. My only concern is the memory consumption is approaching 80%, which is likely a combination of my app containers and suspected memory leaks (I previously noticed reduced memory usage after rebooting OMV5).

[@RaidOwl]

Yeah I may load up OMV on my pi this weekend

[@markshaz8691]

Hey is the swap file also high? If you haven’t already stop the swap file and increase it from the 100mb it is by default. 1). sudo dphys-swapfile swapoff 2). sudo nano /etc/dphys-swapfile 3). Find the line CONF_SWAPSIZE=100 and change 100 to 1024 4). Save the file and exit 5). Then type sudo dphys-swapfile setup 6). sudo dphys-swapfile swapon (or reboot)

[@apnoon1]

@@markshaz8691 Thanks for the suggestion, however, there seems to be plenty of headroom in my current swapfile per below. When I rebooted, OMV6 reported memory use at ~60%, now it's up to 84%, even after shutting down 2 containers (pihole and cloudflared); top - 12:19:18 *up 3 days, 15:07*, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.12, 0.09 Tasks: 232 total, 2 running, 229 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie %Cpu(s): 4.3 us, 2.0 sy, 0.0 ni, 93.5 id, 0.2 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st MiB Mem : 1872.2 total, 86.7 free, 1009.6 used, 775.9 buff/cache *MiB Swap: 100.0 total, 47.6 free, 52.4 used. 338.6 avail Mem* This is why I suspect memory leaks in OMV and/or the app containers.

[@matthias3231]

OMV is indeed not always logical or easy, sometimes it is because of how things are done in Debian. Not always looking good will be solved in OMV 6. Which is released but not yet as stable as OMV 5, so I am waiting until it is more stable. The apply button is in my opinion very useful, when you are not 100% sure you did something correct you can hit revert and do it again. And you don't need to guess the changes are saved or not. I use OMV on a raspberry pi 4. I have a powered USB hub connected to it with 2 4TB hard drives that are mirrored using LVM. Running a couple docker containers and SMB, SFTP shares for 4 people. It works great! It also doesn't use much electricity (which is eco friendly) but is still powerful enough for our needs.

[@RaidOwl]

Yeah I’ve been brainstorming a low power home server that can be powered via a single solar panel and I’m leaning toward the pi/OMV combo.

[@matthias3231]

@@RaidOwl Nice, keep us updated if you have any actual plans! If you want of course.

[@mdd1963]

Used OMV briefly a year or two ago, a great, easy to use little OS that does not require at least a 9900K to run well!

[@CarAudioInc]

I feel attacked by the opening statement!! how dare you! lol but yes, love the videos, subbed

[@VauxhallViva1975]

I had EXACTLY the same issue with IPv6 hanging the install, and that was with the latest version 6 stable downloaded at the time, so OMV have not addressed that yet(unless they have!). But installing without the network cable does get you around that, so there is a work-around, and the very latest version might now address this.

[@Intimidator443]

to fix those errors the way it worked for me was formatting the usb to fat32 to prepare the usb bootable drive in rufus. after you do that, you dont get any errors with bootloader, os install or ipv4/v6 config.

[@steveyuhas9278]

I can cofirm. I did that exact thing without seeing this video first and was surprised to see the errors. It worked flawlessly for me minus a few disk partitioning hickups that were on me.

[@lilygroup3447]

It's a great video explaining too many steps on the NAS system, Would you please go further and guide us through the hardware you used or can you suggest to us NAS hardware please give a detailed explanation.

[@mdd1963]

(And on the positive side, the default screen is now a nicer dashboard, where you can look at CPU utilization/RAM/network/file systems/disk/SMART data summaries, etc...)

[@postnick]

I have an unraid machine but i mostly use it as a VM / desktop PC so i don't keep it powered on. So i recently started with a MINI PC i got from work, threw 2x 1TB drives in + proxmox + Container for my pihole/pivpn and then a Truenas VM.

[@RaidOwl]

Yep I’m part of the Proxmox/TrueNAS crew myself.

[@RomanShein1978]

Many people do Truenas VM in Proxmox. Yet I do not understand the reason? What is the point? Why not just set up a ZFS pool in Proxmox and Samba shares in Proxmox, Samba in LXC w the bind mounts (my case) or Samba in LXC with the data in a virtual disk (most correct approach, probably)? What is the advantage of the VM, other than the disadvantages (performance penalty, PCI passthrough problems and extra hardware requirements, potentially increased risk of a data loss, royal pain to migrate the system in case of an upgrade or a hardware failure)?

[@RaidOwl]

@@RomanShein1978 The TrueNAS GUI and FREEBSD ZFS make it much easier to navigate and set stuff up. I don't know many people who use ZFS in Proxmox as their main NAS solution.

[@RomanShein1978]

@@RaidOwl AFAIK you have 10GbE at home. Were you able to get the decent speed and IOPS out of virtualized TrueNAS? I believe you are running a bare-metal TrueNAS Scale, aren't you?

[@RaidOwl]

@@RomanShein1978 I get full 10Gb read/writes from my virtualized TrueNAS Core so it's pretty awesome. The bare metal Scale system was for a friend so that lives at his place.

[@HiltonT69]

I'm running this on Armbian 21.05.1 on a Radxa ROCK Pi 4b with 4xSSDs in a Penta SATA HAT. Works a treat. (I've updated to OMV 6.x,though.)

[@SchoolforHackers]

Sweet stack you’ve got there, and not the usual Pi setup. Kudos.

[@Sprinkles-r5y]

I like it. Running it on my pi and enjoy how low maintenance it is.

[@wheisenberg559]

Still running FreeNAS with ZFS RaidZ 4x HDD + SSD for cache on an old HP MicroServer N40L.

[@diegkol]

I use OMV for mostly all my simple filesharing and backup needs. I would like to see how you use portainer and docker in OMV because that is something I am not familiar with.

[@gerowen]

I'm running regular old headless Debian with manual configurations on everything. I have tried to write down and document everything I've done so that when I have to work on everything, I know where all my scripts, certificates and modifications are stored at. I've got screenshots and everything. I'm getting a little curious about these purpose built NAS operating systems, but honestly will probably just stick with plain Debian because I also use it to host Plex, Nextcloud and a few other services besides just having a shared folder on it.

[@mirkoregina8733]

Hi, I have an old pc with debian based Q4OS linux distro and I need to connect 4 hard drives with windows and mac backups and I would like to create a server with raid sharing of all hard drives and including a continuous and incremental backup even smartphones and ipads in the family ... I was thinking about nextcloud and openmediavault and seafile but something else would probably be missing to perfect everything and for example the search for folders on different file systems and compatibility of the various connected slides, I also thought of transferring all the photos from my cloud storage like google photos, gcloud and icloud. I forgot ... I also have nvidia shield which can act as a nas if it would be enough and without paying plex. Advice?thank you

[@s.b.asokadissanayake4276]

Thanks. I love Samba and leave Lot of Swap (at least 2 and more the better).

[@danielross4964]

Been running OMV on a Pi 4 for years and years, simple set and forget system.

[@liftsalot]

That ipv6 thing reminds me of how I found that my Xiaomi Redmi Note 4x only unlocked with the tool if I unplugged it at a certain percentage of the process and plugged it back

[@thetruth4791]

the biggest issus we see with the store bought stuff,is the inability to properly secure ones data...so we are reusing an old computer,with just happens to be have a raid board which supports up to 6 sata drives, so we have 2 msata drive 256g which will raid 1 mirroring the os install and a say 150 gig cloud storage folder again mirrored...then a 4tb mirror for backups win10,win11,endeavorOS Daily driver,again a nas should be built around mirroring ones data..

[@marconwps]

Omv take a lot time for format hard disk why? Why?

[@carloayars2175]

Makes no sense at all. 2 minute job at the command prompt!

[@thealmightychuck2038]

So, where do I get that shirt?

[@zeroturn7091]

I’m running the DIY version of Synology, and wondered if there is a steep learning curve? Also are the drives in a format native to Linux, and easy to read in general Distros? The problem with the OS that I’m using requires MDAM live disk to migrate data.

[@RaidOwl]

I’d argue that OMV is going to be much better than the DIY Synology distro. OMV will allow you to use many different file systems and Raid types.

[@mrmotomoto]

You can take drives from your synology and load them in Linux pretty easily. Once you install mdadm with apt, you can build the array and are good to go

[@truedezignstudio]

Will see if this works.. I have proxmox pc build mostly vms with portainer pihole/vpn. previous asked for advice on kubenates different local networks. I currently have aws backup solution and would like to switch to omv backup solution. Any words of advice?

[@RaidOwl]

Having a local backup is very convenient. I’d just say to make sure you get enough drives for a solid Raid array, get more storage than you think you need (if feasible), make sure your drives are CMR and not SMR (again if feasible). OMV doesn’t have a demanding hardware requirement so almost any ole system should work.

[@wskinnyodden]

Hehehe, I'm running my own NAS, custom built of course as I have yet to find a comercial NAS (specially on the low end) that justifies its cost. They're all overpriced and not one worth what you pay for vs what you get. I've bought a 4U Server Enclosure, got an an AMD FX8230 octa-core CPU, Motherboard, 8Gb of RAM, SAS Controller with 512Mb Cache, some custom drive bays so I can have a few easy to swap HDDs (mostly for the 2.5" disks), got a 32Gb CF card and a CF to SATA adapter for the OS Install, added a second gigabit network card so I have a bonded network connection in order to be able to have two users pulling a full gigabit at the same time and set off to the races. I'm easily hitting 128MB/s x2 be it read be it write. Currently I have as main storage 1x 3Tb SATA HDD, 1x3Tb SAS HDD and 3x4Tb SAS HDDs (all 3.5") then I have (on the drive bays) a 500Gb SATA 3.5", 2x320Gb, 1x160Gb and a 250Gb these last disks are all 2.5" and are setup for testing in a Software Raid configuration mostly for testing asymmetric software raid configurations performance and issues. They are also a quick pool to backup some stuff temporarily if I need to move data off some disks to do maintenance. Quite happy with the thing overall, performance and stability wise it's awesome. I even have it running as an RDP server and am running a KVM with Windows 2012 Server as a Boot Server on a secondary network (VLAN) that I have set a couple ports on my enterprise gigabit switch to work with in order to do Network Booting Windows Installs instead of needing to use USB or other media, this way I can have multiple systems being installed at the same time from the same install image without needing to have multiple USB drives to boot from. It also can boot Hard Disk Management tools to handle disk partitioning etc booting from the network. The KVM is using 4 cores and 4Gb of RAM and considering the hardware in question it is actually running quite smoothly, this is actually the reason that I'm going to be upgrading the RAM from 8Gb to at least 24Gb, if I it was just because of the KVM 16Gb would be enough but I intend to get my disks setup with a ZFS RAID configuration and that will really enjoy the additional RAM. Of course there are other services as well running on the NAS, like a download client so I can request downloads to be handled by the NAS and need not keep my main PC on for those. BitTorrent Sync (Resilio Sync) as a Google Drive Like solution to keep data synchronized across a number of devices (Which is quite nice as as long as all the peers are on a separate independent internet link they will work together to improve the available bandwidth for synchronization). Further work on this will be making it also be a Surveillance server for a couple WiFi Cameras, which I'll be using a $12 ESP32 based WiFi camera for. Also, the NVidia GPU is being used when I need to transcode video, basically I have a couple folders that once video gets in them the files get automatically transcoded in order to reduce their size while keeping acceptable quality. Very handy feature. Another thing I am considering is how to get OwnCloud running on it though not sure that is needed considering the existence of Resilio Sync. And finally, am considering what will be the best way to get this puppy have it's own VPN Server running so that I become able to access the NAS and it's services from a remote location as if I was local, quite an handy solution to be able to play my media files from elsewhere by browsing the network like if I was at home, though this part is going to be tricky as I am double NATed, might end up using my VPS as a bridge by basically installing the VPN Server on it and having the NAS and the external link both connecting to my VPS and use it as a bridge between locations, though not sure this will be fast enough of even work as intended. Nothing like an extensive testing run :P By the way, if you need an hardware shopping list for stuff handy to put a nice NAS together check my Google Doc: docs.google.com/document/d/1KT1RaYUrBxu7oHBiALsoystNpNy02_qUxTHyx27fdkE/edit?usp=sharing

[@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915]

Like you pointed out, I too like the simplicity of OMV and am considering deploying it for the exact same reason as you have. My only question would be, is there any chance of Write Caching using system RAM ? Is there a 'module' or 'package' for OMV for that ? With many of us running DDR3 ECC REG based boxes in their home racks, with a crap-ton of memory (because it was cheap) I would like to do something with that memory, rather than 'tap out' and run to a ZFS based platform as all my peers tell me is the best idea. I like point-click. ZFS might as well be Greek to me, since from what I understand, it's mainly CMD line to get anything done. I would likely run on metal for an OMV/storage instance, even though I currently run Proxmox for other utilities. Great videos. Hope to see your channel grow.

[@mdd1963]

TrueNAS' ZFS installation is web- GUI based; no cmd line needed whatsoever. (Not sure what the ZFS add-on for OMV would look like, or, if the GUI is set up to afford ZFS config, etc...)

[@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915]

@@mdd1963 I am still running HW based RAID 5 and 6 in a pair of 12 drive shelves, but am getting ready to deploy another and will finally make the switch to SW RAID, but after seeing Linus videos, where he was able to completely lose a ton of info due to bad setup, I am concerned, since his shop's knowledge base depth is quite a bit deeper than my own. HW RAID hasn't failed me yet, but as I said, I would like to put some of that DDR3 ECC REG memory to work as cache and can't accomplish this with an LSI HW setup.

[@mdd1963]

@@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915 even 'hardware' RAID still does not guard against a drive or two dropping a bit by mistake over time (bit-rot); if the drive does not report/sense an error, then it is just assumed to be correct, and your data can be silently corrupted, without discovery until you notice it 'the hard way'.

[@Stoynov666]

can u access from mobile phone ???

[@thecheaperthebetter4477]

I think you may have been installing it in uefi mode, I always install it in BIOS(compatibility) mode... it works better

[@MrMegaMalain]

Your thoughts on OMV vs TrueNas Scale?

[@RaidOwl]

I’m a fan of TruNAS but OMV is still great, especially on lower powered hardware.

[@ShuhDonk]

You are running openmediavault as a vm or on a dedicated server?

[@RaidOwl]

VM with Proxmox as the host

[@ShuhDonk]

@@RaidOwl I am currently deciding which hyper visor to setup on my homelab and will also be wanting to setup a backup server of some sort. I really liked your Unraid video. If you were just starting to setup your homelab and had moderate knowledge of servers/networks etc would you choose Proxmox or Unraid, ignoring Unraid's license fee. Cheers!

[@RaidOwl]

I would say Unraid for a first timer.

[@kevinhughes9801]

Good stuff thanks

[@chrispeden979]

So why not TrueNas Scale?

[@RaidOwl]

Not enough RAM to make ZFS worth it. Plus I wanted to try OMV.

[@Upendra237]

Thanks

[@JasonsLabVideos]

TrueNas Core is also really nice !

[@carloayars2175]

I prefer TrueNAS Scale and it's more feature rich and Linux based. No more problematic jails and all the docker/containers you could ever want.

[@JasonsLabVideos]

@@carloayars2175 TrueNas For the win, I have mine running on a pair Hp Microserver G8 with 4 8tb drives & 10gig nic's One is off site backup for Veeam.

[@J0nb0ysl1m]

I run omv on a Pi 3B+, I call it NassberryPi

[@mikepxg6406]

Whats Advil....

[@RaidOwl]

Drugs

[@Registered55]

I have found with OMV, is there are many small things that are very un-intuitive and stability is questionable... If you like to tinker, great, if you want something that is really easy, unraid

[@rodriguemartin9795]

you are the updated a omv 7.0 thank you

[@XtianApi]

I know you mentioned this, but a 36 hour drive rebuild is a long time to be degraded on an aging system.

[@sagarsriva]

nice

[@mserio3]

Hmmm I guess your right..

[@CaptZenPetabyte]

Found out today TrueNAS Scale cant handle jbods or usb drives, what a joke

[@Tenly2009]

I can’t find my S T M P settings…. 😆

[@try-that]

Looks as though my comment went AWOL, it was quite long though. Bit of a bummer!

[@RaidOwl]

Someone else said that happened to them on one of my videos. So strange. It’s not in my “to be approved” section either…

[@try-that]

@@RaidOwl It's not the first time either, there was no bad language, there were acronyms, but we're talking IT, so there would be :) perhaps some of them mean something else to what i think they mean :) I'll leave a couple of new comments, if i can remember roughly what I said. I know I said I like the video though.

[@try-that]

@@RaidOwl another 1 got deleted, only 7 or 8 lines, not sure whats happening. Have you thought of setting up a forum for your youtube videos?

[@RaidOwl]

@@try-that thats wild...well there's about 200 of us in the Raid Owl Discord if you wanna hang out over there. There is an invite link the video description.

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