Oppression of Euro-Animism

How has the colonization of knowledge come about? Whiteness implies imposing modernity on euro-descendants.
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[@lilykatmoon4508]

I’m a middle aged white lady who just found out in the last few years that my ancestors (German, Scandinavian, and British isles) even had an animist past. I was always fascinated by the animist world view and identify as such now. However, I studied Native American cultures in college, and also Eastern and Indian religions all to feed my pull towards this world view. When I first discovered the modern witchcraft movement, I of course, found all the Wicca and other polytheistic new age perspectives. It never really felt any more true than Christianity did either. I discovered a couple really good channels here on KZbin that cover true Old Norse and Germanic ways who have also taught about our ancestors animist worldview, and have doing all the reading I can. Thanks for offering all this Knowles and understanding. It gives me hope for the future.

[@jeffape63]

Perhaps the folks using the word 'whiteness', and that unfortunately includes Dr Rasmussen, would get a better reception of their ideas were it labelled differently. It is a racially charged term, especially here in USA, and I would think Europeans would have learned to not import American ideas of culture and politics ie Hitler found his inspiration for how to solve his 'problem' here in the USA in how the Native Americans were dealt with and how enslaved peoples were dealt with. If you mean the subjugation and colonization of peoples due to Christians wanting to spread their religion, like Charlemagne conquering northern Europe and killing and enslaving millions of the non-Christians there, conquering others was not a uniquely 'white' aka European thing to do, so why label it 'white'? Do folks imagine that the Mongols spread peacefully across nearly the entirety of Asia, the Middle East, and a large swath of Europe without murder, rape, and enslaving going on? Timur's conquests murdering about 5% of the then WORLD's population? The world wars did not kill 5% of the world's population. Do people think critically before they accept bs like that? There has been plenty of evil performed by non-Europeans, I just named a couple impromptu. However, this conquering of other peoples and forcing your religion upon them at the point of a sword or under duress, or else be enslaved, seems to be a common attribute of the Abrahamic religions. I'm not aware of pagan religions doing that. Perhaps the term should be Abrahamic religious colonization. However, perhaps the intent of the folks who decided the term for the bad behavior of Abrahamic religionists is 'whiteness' is exactly to divide us and get us to bickering about whether or not we're white supremacists. Divide and conquer. I'm not aware that pagan peoples thought that way. I am aware that pagans, both African and European, were oppressed, conquered and enslaved by the religious benefactors, Christian and Muslim, conquering them.

[@surah4482]

Fantastic video! As an anthropologist, I agree we absolutely need a 'concrete turn' in the social sciences. These fields and their conceptual toolkits are perfectly positioned to not only criticize, but also map out some of the new social possibilities we need so badly to avert catastrophe. Right now we are fantastic at the former, but there's still too far little of the latter. Keep it up

[@marykayryan7891]

I love this comment. Anthropology has come a long way from the 19th century "controlling the natives" model. So good to see.

[@erictheded3392]

Every video you make teaches and inspires me Rune! You are so knowledgeable and well spoken, and your content is so important for us today, especially Americans. We must shed this mantle of "whiteness" and connect with our cultural heritage, we are Germans, Norwegians, Irish, etc, NOT JUST WHITE! I think a major issue that we, myself included, face is the total separation and isolation from one another. It is so hard to connect these days, especially with like-minded allies. That is a challenge we will need to mantle in the future, thank you again Rune.

[@CrunchyMom88]

It's lacking because folk mindset is lacking. We relate. We strive to relate, though we are forced to abandon collective, folkish mindset in favor of a selfish individualism that doesn't coexist with folkish mindset.

[@aidancartwright8006]

Good video Rune. I was reading through the comments and notice a lot of people who seem to get tripped up on "woke" wordplay. I'm sure this is more prevalent here in North America where there is an increasing divide between people aligning themselves with politically right or left leaning groups and centrist positions are quickly decreasing. There's become an attitude that "woke" = antiwhite = anti euro descendants and so many people who may otherwise relate with your message and ideas get turned off by what they interpret as being "woke" buzzwords. The point that "whiteness" does not have to equate with "euro descendants" is missed. I have friends who agree with all you say but find themselves unable to get past what they perceive to be "woke" language. I'm not sure how to best reach these potential audiences....you remind me of a wyrd being attempting to build bridges between gods and giants in the days prior to ragnarok when all they want to do is fight with eachother....this is a larger topic I find difficult to articulate in a comment post and I'm sure its one that's also come to your attention. I guess I just want to say that I hope they don't get you down...keep sharing your thoughts and ideas, many understand the good you are trying to do and hopefully those put off by "woke" language can get past their triggers and find a way to pick up what you're putting down as I think it's valuable.

[@ChiefXAli]

“Cognitive dissonance” seems to. W what your homies are experiencing my dude.

[@spudboy8477]

20:27 the massive irony with this guy and image is that he was dressed up as a "viking" with "Viking" tattoos and still gave a prayer to the Christian God in the capital

[@Velvet_Intrigue]

This was an excellent video. You're doing important work brother. Thank you.

[@ghostqueen2082]

I am so glad I stumbled across your channel; as Indo-European Animism is what I am and what is missing in Europe today

[@ernamoller175]

Thank you Rune for this video.......l only saw it today, so rather late than sorry. Thank you for reminding us and reviving traditional animist knowledge.

[@caoimhingibson2803]

As a Euro Descended Canadian I spent most of my life searching for ways to live in the way you describe. In 2017 I was able to finally adopt a meaningful spiritual walk that draws from the knowledge of my ancestors. Your videos are hugely important and I will be advocating and spreading knowledge of your channel. Thank you

[@Acquisition1913]

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[@liamfraser7041]

I'm from Nova Scotia. I would love to speak with you. I have spent years studying different religious and philosophical traditions. Always yearning to reconnect with ancestral wisdom, but I struggle to find a path

[@caoimhingibson2803]

@@liamfraser7041 did you get my message?

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

Dude I’ve been saying what you were saying in the beginning for a while!!! Thank you this is awesome.

[@rowenhenning5151]

OMGs!!!....this is just fabulously 100% spot-fucking-on! I mean seriously.....I have so many people to share this with. Gosh....your last key point...."the oppression of colonized people is linked to or perhaps even predicated on the oppression of the traditional knowledge (or indigenous knowledge) of majority populations"....is very akin to what I and my Pagan/Heathen/Animst cohorts have been saying.....that the trauma/intergenerational trauma exacted on Euro-descendants' European ancestors is a direct causal factor in the trauma/intergenerational trauma enacted on colonize people and their descendants. As the saying goes, "traumatized people tend to traumatize people" unless they actively and dedicatedly work on ways to heal themselves so that they don't. (Personally, I think the work you are doing and the presentations you are offering easily qualify as a piece of that healing work.) I have to admit my head got a bit overwhelmed between 15 and 20 minutes during the references to representations of.....Animism?.....as expressions of fascism? Simply put, do you perhaps mean expressions of what might be called pseudo-animism as expressions of fascist ideology? Are there links to Hedningen, heksen og hyldemor and other shows that offer English subtitles?

[@cynthiadollar9163]

You took things I've been saying my whole life and put them in a short video. Thank you!

[@singam7436]

At some point when watching this video, the title of a manifesto by a late Indian author titled "Hindutva or Hind Swaraj" came to mind. In a sense, after independence you also see the construction of Indianess as a form of whiteness for brown people. At least (small victories) tradition wasn't erased to the same extent due to various complex factors about Indian history. I am now strongly rooting for your efforts to bear fruit

[@NordicAnimism]

Thank you very much for this comment. I definetely think that North indian identity is linked with whiteness, and though I know deplorably little of hindutva it would not surprise me if there could be aspects of rejecting animist relating in favour of more modern ideas of indianness. However, hinduism (that I also know deplorably little about) appears to me as an explosively rich complex of relationbuilding and I would imagine that it would be difficult to diffuse animism out of such a profoundly animist complex of culture. - You sometimes find rather aggressive modes of modernist nationalism in postcolonized states. I think Turkish kemalism might be a strong example of this

[@singam7436]

@@NordicAnimism Yeah, Hindutva (in spite of its weird pseudo-animist justification of Islamophobia) is very much a modernist ideology in line with much of European Fascism. But the thing is that amongst the broadly English educated upper and middle classes, even the original Nehruvian form of nationalism is somewhat divorced from the animist conception of the land (though Gandhiji at least did have a more traditional view of things). And yeah, in some ways, animism is too innate to Hinduism to be completely forced out even among the English educated like myself (I remember having to explain to someone how I couldn't touch a book using my feet for religious reasons rooted in the book being a form of Saraswati). In fact, I have heard some call Vedanta a form of animist scholasticism. Though there is also the issue that some groups of sub-alterns do attack the traditional knowledge system wholesale due to them seeing it as the cause of their oppression and western style modernity as the way to liberation, and I can't say that they're wrong exactly.

[@km17509]

Thank you very much for what you’re doing here

[@mareenique8191]

I'm so glad that I found your channel! Thank you for this video!

[@kellebandea]

Love that you mentioned Russell Brand 😂

[@end0skeleton404]

As an American and an Anishinaabe and Nordic descendant, and being that I'm light skinned, I take the 7 fires prophecy fairly seriously. And the 7th fire prophecy messengers believe we are in living in the time of the 7th fire. When I seen this prophecy talked about in your book that's when I felt like I was heading down the right road, looking back, trying to decolonize and reincorporate the ways of my ancestors of Native Americans, and Nordic tribes into my family's traditions. None of my siblings are Christian just as I am, and let's be honest, Christianity is the reason Natives were oppressed, and assimilated. It wasn't the first time nor was it the last. Though the Church isn't our main enemy, I believe our enemy are the top officials of governments. I could literally write an essay on this, but what we believe doesn't jive with their agenda.

[@cynthiadollar9163]

That's the thing, our government has replaced Christian elders that makes the rules. And they're all fueled by centuries of Christian colonization, then came over here to America informed their own special brand of "whiteness" and developed it to what you see today. This "white" Christian Corporate America, where money is more important than people's lives. Where you are in a psychopath occult, like the Republicans, that you have to give your life to no matter how idiotic it is. Generally I like to Define these people as evil angelics because they claim Christian but yet their actions is not Christian. As a Heathen I feel bad for my Christian friends and family. Because they have to sort out through so much hate, murder, colonization, racism, and deception that their religion has brought. They're guilty by association. Like how is a Heathen I am guilty by association of neo-naziism, despite how my words and actions say otherwise. In the end everyone is hurt, had something stolen from them and looking for someone to blame. So we all just point the fingers at everyone. All it does is just hurt one another. Not saying you can't have accountability, but at some point you got to recognize when someone is trying to do better. I always think of Ragnarok when it comes to things like that. I see the myths has a warning for brother against brother to not to fight against one another. But his humans it seem that's all we can do. I just can't wait for the greater of peoples to understand this so we can all live a little bit happier and maybe not f****** our planet as much we're doing it.

[@end0skeleton404]

@@cynthiadollar9163 Well said

[@chrisbarriere101]

The Christians learned it from the Muslims. European Colonialism was a response to losing the Crusades and a large population being forced out of the Spain, Morocco, the Holy land and Byzantine Anatolia (Modern Turkey). These mass migrations between 800 and 1600 led to overcrowding in europe and multiple Plague Outbreaks. So the Christianity helped the wealthy to accept what evil they were doing to indigenous pagans as they steamrolled the Basques, Celts, Berbers and Jutes. Then they turned their eyes on the “new world” as increased pressure from the Ottoman Lands were causing a literal human flood of “refugees” into western europe.

[@YrjoPuska777]

It is weird, how some people claiming to be for different cultures, cannot comprehend that someone could be proud of his roots, but still think other cultures equal and something to learn from. There used to be this campaign "Everyone different. Everyone equal". But today big part of those people who claim to be so open minded and accepting, are just equally hateful than those racists who they oppose, they just cannot face their own hatred and project it onto others and tell themselves and others that they are for Love, because they hate those who hate and justify spreading hatred in the world and just feeding the racist fools on the opposite spectrum of foolishness. Try saying on internet, that you are proud of your white roots, but also appreciate African people and their various cultures and have nothing against Africans or any other peoples or cultures and that we should all learn from each others and all have important things to give and also all have our own flaws. You will be called a racist by those who claim to be accepting, and the racist will also be attacking you and trying to point out reasons why some cultures are more flawed and why theirs is the best.. This makes no sense and shows the idiotism in both sides of the spectrum today. But hey, majority of people have always been fools and always will be, and nowadays majority of people are in the non-racist side with their false ideas of feminism etc. /rant

[@EmilReiko]

There is no white roots, white is a colonial construct… if anything whiteness is the bastardization and pervertion of european heritage

[@YrjoPuska777]

@@EmilReiko White people exist and they have roots. Not everyone knows their roots tho, but thats thanks to christians, not because they never existed. Also not all white people are europeans really, even if few europeans also mixed in.

[@Scar-jg4bn]

I think a criticism that people make that is valid is that "white" is a nebulous term that was specifically made to institutionalize colonial oppression. In the USA for awhile, Irish and Italians weren't seen as white, yet now they are today. Being proud of being Irish or Italian isn't the same as being proud to be "white". Most of the time when people say they're proud to be white, it's a dog whistle for literal white supremacy and racism. Another, perhaps easier to understand example of why being proud to be "black" isn't seen as bad, yet being proud to be "white" typically is is due to context; people aren't oppressed for being white 99.99% of the time, historically and today white people hold more social and economic power, often even in places where they aren't the majority of the population. Another example would be "straight pride" being seen as bad because it's disingenuous since straight people are never discriminated against, whereas LGBT pride is pride in our survival despite who we are, not just for our inherent traits. I'm proud of my English, Scottish and Swedish ancestry, though I lament the harm some of my ancestors caused due to imperialism and colonialism. Hope this grants some more insight on the seemingly double standard of "white pride" vs other pride. In a rather silly analogy; "Same reasons why in Mario Kart you don't get blue shells or lightning bolts when you're already in first place!"

[@cynthiadollar9163]

Perfectly stated!

[@cynthiadollar9163]

Perfectly stated.

[@EidolonMedia]

The Pupae People. Rough translation of an accurate assessment.

[@jonrosell6971]

You're a great resource. But how do I find more resources on my swedish traditional land practices?

[@Scar-jg4bn]

This is an eye opening video. Thank you for your insight and the content you make.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

Yes and European animism is very interesting.

[@loganstrait7503]

When I was completing the humanities requirements of my undergraduate in California, I took the (then-bold) position of saying that "Whiteness" is indeed a false cultural construct but that this does not constitute a call to ignore anything that comes out of Europe or ascribe it to a tradition from elsewhere but rather to re-examine the way that Europe itself was the subject of cultural colonization long ago (that is, before 1492) so that any authentically European voice has been stolen and the European man made into a puppet of the Catholic Church (and later Protestant churches). I basically argued that we should reject the identity of "Whiteness" and look more closely at the distinctive cultures within Europe as entities in their own right - the Gallic, the Brythonic, the Gothic, the Italic, the Greek, the Slavic.

[@chrissythacker1237]

Thanks for this talk, not sure i understood all of it, so i plan to rewatch. However, i (think) i get the whiteness aspect. About 15 years ago, i read "Stuff People White Like" and found out i am "the wrong kind of white person." I'm from Appalachia and our culture gets made fun of relentlessly because we didnt get into the uptight consumerism game until very recently. I am astonished by learning baout animism, i feel like some of my thoughts/feelings make sense, ive always been a "weirdo" because i am angry and depressed about all the roadkill and logging i see daily. I've always had this "ridiculous" idea that possums and trees are people too. Now, i am finding the animism has gatekeepers that say i shouldn't participate because my skin is the wrong color (do i understand that correctly? )

[@YinYinBaker]

Thank you for your very interesting videos.

[@love.is.the.answer]

I enjoyed your video. I went to buy your book, The Nordic Animist Year, online. Am I'm getting the DKK to USD conversion wrong? Seems that 400,000 DKK = 56,000 USD. That's what Google tells me, anyway. I'm all for supporting your work but $56,000 is many people's annual income here in the US. Hoping I'm getting the conversion wrong 😂

[@asamiyashin444]

The false dichotomy of New Atheism vs Monotheism (almost always Christianity) has brought me here.

[@Stella77_7]

Im a X Christian who felt the calling if her Ancestoral Roots. 45 wife mother young grandmother with Scandinavian Germanic Heritages. My family here im the US from the 1830s when my Ancestors migrated helf fast to their culter and take pride in it. As a farmer animism makes total sense to me. Animism to me the Natural world energy seasons sun moon cycles, I can see how people mase them into Gods as we think today if Gods. Here in the US there is a Racist Hatred to the white race and yes a Romantic notion of Native Americans like they are know all and be all of animism or being ed to the earth. There is also a Religious hate pushed by White Evangelicals agains them. Cultral chaose battling. All i know is im seeming my Animist ancestoral truths and practices.

[@bobfaam5215]

These so called NATIVE AMERICANS are immigrants from Siberia in Asia . And White people are in American continent much before these fake Asians who claim to be Native Americans . VIKINGS discovered Canada over 1000 years ago . Much before Columbus . Google VINLAND. And ancient European Paganism is the oldest and most advanced and most Spiritual Religion in the world . White people should reject Christianity and start worshiping their ancient Norse , Celtic and Roman Gods again .

[@braintennant69]

wheres the picture from that he shows at: 3:52. and: 4:04? Really wanna know!

[@NordicAnimism]

It's a long time since I made the vid, but.... I think it is Bulgaria

[@braintennant69]

@@NordicAnimism det var der da du snakkedd om noget med vestjylland, så troede det var Esbjerg eller et eller andet😅... Tak for dine videoer mand!

[@lewsolo5404]

thanks Rune, good vid

[@aliasalone5823]

We colonise our own spirituality

[@mattbunch1159]

colonial oppression is something that is the basis of American life... if sicking and embarrassing that humans can be so cruel to one another

[@amandamarksdottir5905]

Thank you for articulating what's always bothered me about Umberto Eco.

[@marykayryan7891]

Because Irish "Catholicism" maintained many of its pagan traditions it was targeted by the British Protestant rulers in exactly the same way you are describing, as superstitious, childish and evidence of cultural inferiority. The Irish (while starving to death during the socalled famine-actually a genocide that resulted in the deaths of millions of Irish people) were characterized as an "inferior race akin to Africans." Drawing appeared in public forums showing the fictive physical similarities between these peoples. And the mass deaths in Ireland were said to be "natural selection against an inferior 'race'." So the twin pronged oppression of which you speak- economic/political on the one hand and cultural/spiritual on the other-- was not merely ideological, but was actually part of a genocidal agenda against the Irish people. Just more data to support your point. This oppression of animism has absolutely gone on in Europe, sometimes to catastrophic results.

[@ex_orpheus1166]

Curious to know what your thoughts are on the movie Midsommar? Do you find it to be exotifying and essentializing Euro animism as "silly" and barbaric? Or do you find it to be a legitimate critique or exploration of the clashes of Euro animism with modernity?

[@NordicAnimism]

The movie is double. Like The Wicker Man it simultaneously idolises and demonises. I talk about a related general trend at 8.35 here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoOcZpijqs6JmZo

[@bodhimumba910]

I am white and feel the need to reform my relationship with my ancestors. I have heard things about Ithaca, NY and its indigenous teachings. Do you have connections there?

[@bodhimumba910]

To share a quality of whiteness that reflects hope.

[@dplj4428]

8:18 It seems like these abstractionist are avoiding the religion of animism.

[@dplj4428]

This discourse is what caused suppression of Southern tribes of Sudan by Christians and Muslims. USA policy chose to ignore these people as pagans.

[@AlexS-xh1mx]

THIS!!!

[@ChiefXAli]

If one wants to learn the basics and fundamentals of how “white supremacist” programming operates around the world, then learn how to be an EXPERT dog handler. Great video! #blackpower🖤✊🏿🇺🇸

[@marykayryan7891]

Note this word "hysteria." A word associated with women (hysteria: Greek for womb). So all this "inferior animistic" approaches are being linked to the inferior gender also. It's a system, eh?

[@catherineprater1485]

I get what you are saying. To have any discussion to solve the issues of racism/colonialism/etc. without the 30% considered ‘white’ will not move society forward. Whites - meaning European descended persons - need to look at our own ancient ancestry to see what needs to be corrected on their part. And yes, I am white. I am seeking to turn the typical white attitude to a more universal acceptance of all nationalities throughout the world and an acceptance of living in tune with nature as a part of it and not the ruler of it. Thanks Rune.

[@lisapacker8015]

Here in America, we often have white people who want to appropriate sacred teachings of the indigenous peoples we displaced. Especially in pagan circles, there is endless bickering and whining when people are told they shouldn't use sage to cleanse with because it belongs to another culture and their use is making it hard for those people to access it. And I think a big part of the reason is exactly what you are saying here - as someone of largely English and other northern European ancestry, I, too, have very cool ancestral animist knowledge I can draw from. I don't HAVE to take from people who've had too much taken from them already. I live in the southern Appalachian mountains, and Appalachian folk magic is very much about using what you have to hand. I've written articles on my own blog about how people want to "appropriate" OUR magic as well - but it isn't gonna work for you if you're buying herbs online. My granny's herbs worked because she got them from her backyard. EVERYONE has their OWN land spirits and ancestors and traditions to interact with. And we are so much more powerful when our practices are authentically ours. Even as someone with a decent amount of Norse ancestry, I'm sure there are things that wouldn't work as well for me so many thousands of miles away. I give my land spirits corn meal, not necessarily what the Norwegians on the other end of this mountain chain would give them. Anyway, all that was my ADD way of saying that the oppression of European animism isn't just similar to the oppression of other indigenous groups, I think it's part of the cause of it. It's like a chain reaction. Euro descendants get displaced so we displace others looking for what we've lost - kind of like we did when we arrived on these shores. Like everything else, it's all connected.

[@CrunchyMom88]

Huge cope. What you're doing is you're blaming the entire race for a small elite's doing. You blaming our ancestors for what has happened in America is like you blaming all of society for what the elite's are doing in the middle east. Would you want your name and family slandered in 1000 years blamed for what global elite decide to do???? These oligarchs didn't just start a cabal in the last 75 years. They've been deciding trends and dictating agendas for thousands of years, while the everyday person struggles to survive, JUST LIKE TODAY. So, stop generalizing and disrespecting your and my ancestors.

[@lisapacker8015]

@@CrunchyMom88 ok first I was talking about how certain people behave TODAY. Second, we cannot overlook the fact that we in America live on land that was taken from others. I personally live on land that was part of Cherokee territory, and yes I have ancestors that personally participated in their Removal. But even beyond that fact, the "elites" you're blaming wouldn't have needed to push the Native Americans out of their homelands if so many millions of rank and file Europeans hadn't come here looking for cheap land. Our ancestors ALL contributed to that, and we benefit from it today. Yes many of them struggled. It was still wrong. Are you and I benefitting from what the elites are doing in the middle east today? Is there a way we could stop it that we haven't attempted? If the answer to either of those questions is yes then we will indeed be judged accordingly 1000 years from now assuming humanity hasn't destroyed itself with the climate. You don't honor ancestors by sugar coating what they did in life. You honor them by recognizing them as real, complete human beings made up of both good and bad just like we are today.

[@autumngrace8541]

​@@lisapacker8015 you had me until you went into the 1000 year Christian stuff. We can blame our ancestors for buying into the lies that the colonizers presented, but its still happening to us. We don't even own the land we buy, unless you get proper title, most don't. I didn't personally take this land from a native, hell we werent asked to be born, but I can't exactly go back to Europe, as the laws are written, because I don't know the laws of the written ways which they use to oppress us all. That is what needs to be learned and understood.

[@vjeismann]

I really got your point. I can almost say that I agree with you. I just don't understand why you find it so necessary to use derogatory terms against Europeans like colonial and whiteness when you've just proven that this oppression occurred even before colonization and Europeans were probably the biggest victims. It really feels like you need to put things in that woke frame so you don't get labeled a fascist or a racist. Or maybe you are so politically and ideologically engaged that you fail to see that most of your anti-whitism is simply unfair.

[@vjeismann]

Maybe we should consider that if we want to turn back to life european traditions we should not keep full-time trying to make europeans feel ashamed of being europeans.

[@NordicAnimism]

First - I am definetely promoting anti-whiteism, as I find whiteness to be part of an oppressive ideology. Second - I very much don’t believe in victim ideology. Though victimhoods are sometimes very real and should be acknowledged I often think the cult of victimhood is often a pathway to abusive behaviours and culture. Third - I indeed do not want to use derogatory terms against Euro-descendants. The term “white” however is complex. I think there are reasons to use it as an encapsulations of us AS SUBJUGATED TO the whiteness ideology Fourth - and I agree that we should not feel ashamed of who we are. Only realize what harmful processes that have gone into the build of our current self image. White guilt for instance, is a thoroughly bad idea. (check this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpi0ZJJjfb6Kqpo )

[@fiercearmadillo6850]

@@NordicAnimism anti-whiteism?? The heck is that?? Isn't that both racist AND promoting a victim ideology? (Declaring there is such a thing as an oppressor ideology necessitates a victim ideology to reflect the oppression.) I'm so confused, this seemed like an awesome topic for a talk but the confusing slippery word games make it inaccessible at best. And it all sounds like (I know you dont mean it, just *sounds like*) anti white racism at worst. Anti-whitism. Good grief. That's new to me. New bizarre, confusing, rude, derogatory-sounding terms are being coined all the time. Anti-whitism. Smh

[@NordicAnimism]

@@fiercearmadillo6850 I label myself "white" regularly, so no! it is not promoting victim ideology. Just looking at those parts of our self image that should have been put together in another way. I don't habour or promote any racism against euro-descendants and I am pretty vocal about that. In fact I think that dealing effectively with whiteness means clearing a road to proper sense of self worth.

[@vjeismann]

@@NordicAnimism thanks formuliert answer. Perhaps this concept of anti-whiteism is pretty obvious to you and other progressive academics, but for the rest of us it has a very negative and even prejudiced connotation. maybe a video clearly distinguishing between anti-whiteism and anti-white people would be interesting. I think that would make it easier to spread your message.

[@jakemcnamee9417]

What about those that reject their type of whiteness but still believe in the white race. Not hostile but ethnocentric leaning pagans that recognize a shared lineage that diverged in ancient history

[@Scar-jg4bn]

What is the "white race"? That's a lot of races. English, German, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Russian, Ukrainian, Serbian, Dutch, Swedish, Norwegian, etc etc. Are all Asians one race? I don't think you understand what "white" means and that it's a modernish term to determine white from non-white; the Irish and Italians weren't white in the USA less than 100 years ago which is a drop in the bucket of human history.

[@jakemcnamee9417]

I'm 1/4 English, Irish, spanish and polish. All are white. I was a white minority at school in london and we'd recognize italians as white as well. White is Europeans caucaspid to be precise. Non European cauccaziods as re often mixed with other non european groups to some extent,like davidians for example. Also what you listed are ethnicities, but in the past they would have considered them different races. The greeks back then considered themselves a race. White regards our general features, even if we have a tan or whatever, Mediterraneans are also white People never say the black race never exists. They only say that to white people concerned with racial preservation. With is no different from species conservation in my opinion as human bio diversity is valuable

[@freesov]

@@jakemcnamee9417 you're almost there, but put down the calipers. the fact that what groups are declared races changes is a key point - race is some made up bullshit that is made up for social purposes. no races have any sort of real existence. its just a category error. but the purpose dead old assholes had in mind when inventing the idea of 'the white race' was to convince themselves and others that the unjustifiable evils they were committing were justified because their 100% socially constructed in-group was 'superior' to various 100% socially constructed out-groups.

[@ChiefXAli]

@@freesov You get it! ✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿

[@benjaminlehr9310]

Awesome Rune!

[@beepboop204]

🙂

[@bjornekdahl721]

Is this the wokest guy ever?

[@NordicAnimism]

probably not - kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4eWnWavr8eGhKs

[@bjornekdahl721]

@@NordicAnimism So probably yes

[@cynthiadollar9163]

Technically that will be Jesus. He was the first historically depicted and accepted "woke" guy.

[@Scar-jg4bn]

@@bjornekdahl721 the term "woke" is used to simply dismiss criticism of institutions and practices that harm groups of people and the world as a whole that some people don't want to confront and find it easier to make fun of such struggles rather than face them critically. I find that anything remotely humanitarian and introspective is labeled "woke" by intellectually lazy people who don't like challenging the limited worldview that they have.

[@marykayryan7891]

This suppression of Euro-Animism is part of the ongoing creation of "whiteness" (by which I mean capitalist, rationalist, patriarchal thought forms) as a form of knowledge that is "superior" and therefore has the right to worldwide political and economic hegemony. Whiteness isn't a color. (We are, after all actually all brown. It's just a matter of what shade.) It's about culture. And whiteness = Protestant, Christian, capitalist, ecocidal, rationality worshipping, patriarchal thought forms and cultural, social and economic formations and relationships to the World.

[@asamiyashin444]

Don't mix feminism (a modern ideology made up by colonialists) with this, please.

[@kerstinmatausch6863]

Whiteness? Dafuq, dude?

[@beepboop204]

?

[@fiercearmadillo6850]

It's a pretty vague term for non woke, non Western, not liberal college- indoctrinated folks. It's elitist language against ordinary peoples ordinary word use, designed to confuse. I regret all of my time indoctrinated in identity politics / woke theory / queer theory. People would openly promote "anti whiteness" and say racist things like "white culture is just WalMart." Um no.

[@bluesage3]

@@fiercearmadillo6850 Sadly, there are many that say 'white' isn't a culture.

[@annikaraaen2266]

Whiteness as a cultural construct of superiority based on skin color, as opposed to whiteness as just the skin you’re born in. Two different concepts. 😊

[@fiercearmadillo6850]

@@annikaraaen2266 Exactly. I 'get' that this word means two different things, but that's the problem, it only barely makes any sense at all to regular people! And it allows anti-white racism to pass under this, "oh I was only critiquing capitalism/ colonialism/ walmart" etc moral stance. I was inundated with that kind of twisty slippery language in college. I can't see it as anything other than deliberately - possibly maliciously - confusing and alienating now.

[@Whitdauthaz]

I have trouble following after hearing all the woke language used throughout. "Whiteness" and colonization isn't what killed euro-animism or pagan ideas, it was and is Abrahamic religion and all that it encompasses, that's probably the only line of thought I heard echoed here that I can agree with. Too much of what you talked about is far more nuanced and instead all I hear is the academic drivel of "muh racisms and colon-izers". I'd rather you have been more controversial instead of essentially saluting crazy woke activists and allying with the identitarians that wish to co-op all the stuff you're complaining about under "whiteness". Will you still consider this idea of "whiteness" to be accurate when it's no longer white skinned folk perpetrating "modernity"? Human domestication isn't exclusive to us and certainly isn't our own invention. Regardless which model of thinking you use when explaining origins, migrations, race/diaspora, etc. we certainly didn't start the ball rolling on "modernity". This is not the platform to have lengthy debate/arguments, but I would love to hear your thoughts while they're under a little pressure. Again, it's a little hard to understand what you're talking about at any point when you take the stance of "combatting racism" and "whiteness" bad, all at once. Any long-time watchers feel free to explain what I'm missing from this dialogue, I thought I was going to be watching a proud euro speculate on what factors oppressed paganism, but I feel like I just watched 28 minutes of a Berkeley/Harvard activist telling me why I should give my house to a underprivileged black lgbt college student.

[@Scar-jg4bn]

I think you missed the main point, which is that in modern academia, European indigenous practices are dismissed in an effort to distance whiteness from animism/"savagery" in order to uphold the mythical past of white imperialism and colonialism as being superior and separate, meanwhile elevating and fetishizing the indigenous practices of everyone else, often with the noble savage trope.

[@urubutingaz5898]

I think that Rune's point is not that "whiteness" is what caused the destruction of euro-traditional, but rather that it's based on the same principle that is fundamental to abrahamic religions (the idea of the dead world and the necessity of alienation from it through spiritual or material ways). Remember that racism as a concept wasn't itself what caused the colonization, but was later used as a "scientific based" tool to justify the ethnocide in the various colonies when Christian spiritual justifications were deemed obsolete in the nineteenth century. Perhaps whiteness isn't the best word to describe it since it can cause a lot turmoil at first glance. Chill out mate, you can keep your house to yourself.

[@Whitdauthaz]

@@Scar-jg4bn I didn't get any of that from what he had said.

[@Whitdauthaz]

@@urubutingaz5898 IT'S MY HOUSE! I think the loaded language causes a problem for many of us. The regurgitation of woke rhetoric is an instant alarm bell in my head. When I hear the word "whiteness" , I start beating on my chest and fashioning a spear. Maybe there's been a subtle conditioning for this, or maybe I'm just tired of being generalized as the cause to all woes. Maybe he just articulates in such a way that I have trouble understanding what he's saying when paired with our vastly differing dialects. I see that you and another commenter above have come to very different conclusions than I have, so I'll stay subscribed and continue to follow along in hope that I simply misunderstood him this video. Were I to make videos of my own I'd refrain from using such language as it often goes hand in hand with ideologies in which it's commonplace to believe in "anti-racsim" (that is that Europeans are white colonizers that are inherently evil and racist and must be opposed). These are tiresome themes that further a manufactured divide on which all sides simultaneously claim to be oppressed while oppressing the other. I suppose I expected to hear something along the lines of "fuck Charlemagne and Harald Bluetooth..." when I watch a video titled "Oppression of Euro-Animism", and not "WHITENESS". lmfao I'm even going to give the video another watch and see if I can come away with a different view. I was preoccupied the first time listening. You best believe that I will comment again below if I still feel like I'm being bullshitted!

[@EmilReiko]

@@Whitdauthaz "anti-racsim" (that is that Europeans are white colonizers that are inherently evil and racist and must be opposed)." This is very clueless and kinda hint that you exist in the conservative american rights constructed parallels reality of strawmen. "I suppose I expected to hear something along the lines of "fuck Charlemagne and Harald Bluetooth..." when I watch a video titled "Oppression of Euro-Animism" - We have all heard that story again and again. However its a very long time ago and not really relevant in relation to how modernity destroyed European animism from the 17th century and onwards, and imported the racist theories developed in the colonies back into Europe to apply to peasant societies. Animism didn't end with the conversion, the peasantry continued to do animism and had a very animist/syncretic-Christian religion which can best be defined as heathen Christianity And in the modern era, the clergy, the aristocracy and the bourgeois pushed very hard against it... Also no hate against Harald Bluetooth, that was a very soft conversion and ppl kept on doing what they where doing a long time after that. What it did do was that the Holy Roman Empire didn't have Papal support for war against Denmark - and that is probably why Denmark exists, and why the process of christianizing denmark was a slow generational gradual thing - instead of a genocide like that done to the Saxons.