Optimal cruising speed for Model 3 Performance

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Cruise at 150 km/h if you can and charge to 60-70 %.
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[@FritzSchober]

So cruise at 150 km/h and charge to 70%. Danke from Germany.

[@pmj_studio4065]

In Germany you rather should cruise at 190 km/h if I understood properly

[@bernhardhestner5503]

Only if you have to get somewhere fast:) Driving fast (high energy consumption) means also using many battery charging cycles

[@Odd_Taxi_epi04]

@@pmj_studio4065 150km/h is safer, easier (has cruise control, mesh better with the traffic), better for the environment (even renewable energy has non-zero impact, and then there is tire wear, etc), and just a tiny bit slower (3-5km/h slower than 190km/h). 150kmh/ to 130km/h is yet another 5km/h slower, and 130km/h to 110km/h is 10km/h slower.

[@daniel_960_]

Paweł Buczyński most of the time there’s much traffic and 190 doesn’t make much sense because you will have to brake really soon. 150 is really a nice cruising speed in Germany. But yes if you’re driving when it’s completely free like at night then it’s really hard not to drive faster than 150. your foot just gets really heavy if the road is free.

[@mravecsk1]

After last soft update for model 3 the charging numbers look a bit different now and with V3 it is going to be absolutely diff level. electrek.co/2019/06/21/tesla-model-3-supercharging-faster-software-update/

[@RubenKelevra]

The most German video you made so far 😙🎶

[@mozzimozz4074]

ahhhh nein nein nein, those ELEKTROAUTO ARE so complicated NEEEIN,

[@rumblebelly7429]

that's why I am a fanboy of Bjorn :)

[@Appalling68]

LOL!

[@mihaibalint8183]

Wow, you did very well your homework, I was waiting some time to see this

[@peterzerfass4609]

Surprising numbers. I usually stick to 150km/h because it gives me the range/driving time until I want a break. I.e. I use more of a psychological/convenience approach to how fast I drive (I find it also a lot less stressful than driving at 190km/h because you more easily mesh with the flow of the traffic.). But for those who are in an absolute rush it's good to know that hammering it to 190 works well.

[@teslagrooves4805]

bjorn, i cant drive at 150km/h and never charge at 700km/h... but thanx for the great MATH :)

[@BaldurNorddahl]

Looks like you can also go at 130 and lose very little time. But travel much safer, spend less on energy and drive more relaxing.

[@roffaleft499]

@@marcusbiller867 Given that it's an EV and you have plenty of HPCs available yes. If coverage is scarser you might be able to save yourself a stop by slowing down to 130 or you may even be forced to do so to leap between charge. If it's an ICE car, emissions are lower at 130 and you also save yourself a few Euros from the lower fuel consumption.

[@rudskyful]

Inhale some diesel.. that had me dying.. hahaha. might as well grab a glass of petrol for that. Wish I'd see more EVs in the Philippines.

[@linusa2996]

Is the electricity reliable enough? I live in California and based on my power consumption owning a tesla would increase my electricity consumption by almost 45% and increase my electric bill by over 120%.

[@markcornwall8132]

Great video as always Bjorn. If you get the chance it would be great to see what the SR+ is like. Just how much slower does it charge, real range, etc etc. Thankyou.

[@SergiuTalnaci]

Thank you Bjorn, we are going on a driving vacation through Germany with our new M3 LR AWD, this info is very useful to minimize the driving time and maximize the visiting time.

[@rogerjones624]

Model 3 cars in right hand drive are being delivered in the UK today for the first time :-)

[@oysteinalsaker]

I just inhaled some diesel and now I feel like shit. Thanks, Uncle Bjørn!

[@gasdive]

The simple rule is to match your consumption in kW to your charge rate in kW. If you go faster, you're wasting time charging, if you go slower you waste time driving.

[@Newzchspy]

gasdive good point, but how will you know what charge rate will be at next stop? It varies and sometimes dramatically.

[@bjornnyland]

It's not that simple. For 50 kW charging, 130 km/h is optimal. But if you calculate average power for that speed, it's: 130 km/h * 237 Wh/km = 30.8 kW And for 120 kW and 200 kW charging vs 190 km/h: 190 km/h * 393 Wh/km = 74.6 kW

[@SentiBM]

Yeah, just drive normal highway speed 130-150. You lose almost no time but put less wear on battery, tyres, can use cruise control, it is safer and you use less energy which is better for the environment.

[@matssalvesen3730]

About how long do you drive in between stops then? Like 1-1.5h? Then a short 10-15 min charge?

[@hemmper]

Gamification of driving! Tesla should take that one step further. Giving feedback on how efficient you've driven a route compared to others in the same type of car that day. Or the same AI that can almost self drive could also be used in passive mode just to give drivers plus and minus points and lessons when it thinks the driver makes good and bad decisions. Like a nerdy driving instructor.

[@dezz00002]

Wow, the next time a petrolhead dares to say he hates EV's because of the optimum speed on motorway of 80 km/h... 😀

[@lokal-emissionsfrei]

So Tesla Model 3 actually is the car I should aim for, given the fact I travel long distances a lot throughout Germany and usually want to get to my destination FAST. Thanks for the video Bjorn, great stuff again as usual!

[@michaeljava8736]

germans in comments: discussing the results and how they will use them non germans in comments: awkward silence

[@vk6xre]

All very good … Alas I live in a place that has a blanket maximum speed of 110 kph.

[@managerpl9450]

Average 150km / h battery 70%, consumption ~ 29kwh / 100km - we drive 150km in 1h - average 150km / h. We charge from 10 to 70% in 30 min. So 150km we overcome in 1h 30min the average 100km / h with charging! NOT BAD! Charger 120kW.

[@rcayford1]

Interesting Video Bjorn, I really enjoy all your videos

[@aboliamoilmotoreascoppio3748]

Great work!! Precious! thank you Bjorn

[@UCreations]

Optimal cruising speed if you don't have to pay for the electricity....

[@dezz00002]

@@Tore_Lund What's the point in comparing a Tesla@190 km/h to "a Diesel at a less crazy speed"? What your science teaches you about carbon nanoparticles in your bloodstream? And how about CO, hydrocarbons, NOx, etc.? Coal power plants in Germany will be shutting down in 10-15 years.

[@dezz00002]

@@Tore_Lund "not to drive Diesels in cities" - Nor petrols. "but I think EVs loses their edge when you drive them like this" - Perhaps, but compare it with fossils driven at the same speeds. (No shortage of them on Autobahn...) "In most European countries, between half to two thirds of electricity generation is from coal" - Not true. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Europe More than half of coal power plants in the EU are in Germany and Poland. And even in Germany less than half of electricity is generated from coal, which is second to Poland. www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts Coal is phasing out, anyway, in order to reduce CO2 emissions. "driving Diesels in the countryside is not a health problem either" - It's going to be also a health problem soon enough through climate change. More than a third of CO2 emissions are from transportation. ..

[@peralling-dam9981]

@@Tore_Lund Electricity delivered at SuperChargers comes from renewable sources. The electricity I pour into my EV at home comes partly from the panels on my roof and the rest is certified renewable. I already paid an unknown amount up front for the SuperCharger electricity (new Tesla-owners pay as they go), I paid for my solar panels and I pay the going rate (a little more than for an unknown mix I could also have chosen) for the renewable electricity I buy. If other people use dirty electricity, how can that be my fault and why should I pay extra for that too? If you Germans are so well-educated, why did you let yourselves be fooled into closing your great nuclear power plants because of an incident at a poorly designed plant caused by a natural catastrophe at the other side of the Planet, a catastrophe of a kind which never did and probably newer can happen in Germany? Now you are burning coal and feeling bad about it. Besides, German manufacturers are ramping up their EV lines as fast as they can (maybe even a little faster than they can) to catch up with Tesla. Are you saying that their engineers are not well educated?

[@robinrutschman]

93.2MPH cruise speed?!?! In the USA we a not suppose to go faster that 55MPH with an ICE car! What a huge difference!!!

[@DaveGee2010]

How's that go again ? Someone needs to do a loop of 0:17 (lol) and with much respect brother, I love your vids!!

[@joshuarice7565]

"Calm down.... and inhale some diesel, you'll be alright" lol.

[@Newzchspy]

IN the states, we're lucky to be able to cruise at 110-120 kmph. Between traffic, cops etc.

[@summertyme5748]

When cops detect set cruise = 250.

[@pmj_studio4065]

@@summertyme5748 cruise control works up to 150 km/h...

[@summertyme5748]

Paweł Buczyński Oh darn. 😂

[@glebvk]

Can you share the spreadsheet, please. It also has to depend on the distance you ought to travel, as the initial charge plays into the time spent for charging.

[@bernhardhestner5503]

Thanks Bjørn for doing all the complicated Math for us...can't imagine how many kilometers you drove for this chart.

[@yukioyamoto3494]

You hear it first from Bjørn Nyland : Nein nein nein nein! Elektroauto so complicated! Nein neeeeiiinnn! I don't even have a Tesla or even a car but i still find his videos intressting to watch and ofcourse the speed and i hope more Autobahn!

[@xcvsdxvsx]

You don't have a car? How old are you?

[@yukioyamoto3494]

@@xcvsdxvsx I am 34 and i have a drivers license. I just can't afford a car with my money but i don't need a car at the moment aswell. I use my bicycle for shorter trips and public transport for longer trips if needed.

[@xcvsdxvsx]

@@yukioyamoto3494 You can get a car for like $2000 no? I mean its not going to be a great car. But it has to be better than riding with the "public". I can't imagine doing that. They would stink so much and I would probably get mugged once a week.

[@stefanwagener]

Hi Bjørn, your consumption seems very high, even higher than Model S and it's getting close to the consumption with Tesla S in winter. A German rental company (Nextmove) tested Model 3 LR (non-performance) with 229Wh/km at 150km/h and 164Wh/km at 120km/h. And Model S is also in the range of 250Wh/km summer to 300Wh/km in winter at 150km/h. And especially your 110km/h consumption seems very high and is nowhere near the from Tesla assumed average consumption of 152Wh/km for Model 3. Of course the performance edition with dual motor will add a little but I am wondering if your rim/tire combination costs about 15% to 20% efficiency which would be insanely high. It's a pity you sold your original rims and tires before testing them for noise and efficiency. But do you have any explanation why already your 110km/h consumption is so high?

[@bjornnyland]

Non-performance has 18" with wheel caps. I have 19" wheels with Zax rims. And it was cold-ish during my tests. If Nextmove had warmer temperatures, then that gives lower consumption. And how did they test it? Did they do an exact A-B-A testing like me? If they only tested in one direction then that has lots of errors (elevation, wind). And it should be done on a road with low traffic.

[@stefanwagener]

@@marcusbiller867 Yes, it looks like the bigger wheels are so much more inefficient but 20 or 25% doesn't match anywhere near what Tesla is advertising as range for non-performance vs. perfornance. At 110km/h it should be possible to come close to the advertised EPA range (not WLTP range) of 310miles/500km but with 205Wh/km it is more like only 360km of range.

[@stefanwagener]

@@bjornnyland Not too scientific but I would say thoroughly and going in a circle. Also recently they did a comparison of several EVs (Model 3, S, X, Kona, e-tron) at 130km/h (averaging 115) and at 150km/h (averaging 130) and going back and forth and for Model 3 needed 185 and 209Wh/km. So 209Wh/km for 130km/h average speed with top speed of 150km/h is what you needed for 110km/h. Doesn't it seem a little bit high for you also when you compare it with your old days in Tesla S? Getting only around 360km of range when going at a slow 110km/h is somewhat disappointing to me.

[@stefanwagener]

@@marcusbiller867 Exactly, 5-7% make sense or up to 10% compared to LR RWD 18", but not 20 to 25% difference. According to that table the consumption of M3 P 20" would be 158Wh/km at 105km/h and 172Wh/km at 113km/h. That is way below the 205Wh/km at 110km/h measured by Bjorn. So his slightly colder temperature and his 19" wheels are around 25% (205 vs. ~165Wh/km) worse than the value given in that table of a model with 20". That is a huge difference.

[@stefanwagener]

@@marcusbiller867 In the table you provided I see PWD 18 aero at 105km/h with 523km of range and with P 20" at 105km/h it is 476km of range, that is 10% difference. And yes, Bjorn did show the consumption in the beginning of the video at 1:20: 205Wh/km at 110km/h, 233 at 130, 275 at 150, ...

[@ej5376]

Inhale some Diesel! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@WhoKnowsS007]

Amazing work! 👏👏

[@marcel151]

Raging in German is the best raging. :D

[@Grzeroli1]

Did I get it right, the cruise control only works up until 150 km/h?

[@hanad276]

Hi guys I would like to get the model 3 with white seats. do you think they will be durable enough? I don't have kids but take my nieces and nephew out

[@Daniel-lb8tu]

Nice video with a lot of effort in the background! The only Tesla car missing with the optimal cruising speed now is the Tesla Model S. :-D

[@RubenKelevra]

The Model X is also missing, the update in 2019 makes the old number invalid.

[@bjornnyland]

Old news... kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYHRln6JeMeGfZI

[@hobru9360]

@@bjornnyland thanks for interesting video. It would be interesting if you made a similar test with MYP.

[@themanofmead5273]

Good luck with driving at the optimum speed of 190km/h through France and Spain. Driving at speeds like that is not ok. Nor is presenting videos suggesting it might be. On an autobahn on Germany maybe but practically anywhere else and your advice is wreckless.

[@ob0273]

Amazing calculations! Thanks for this video

[@slippyg]

Sorry officer, but I was doing 90mph because my Tesla is more efficient at that speed..

[@davidrobertson6371]

What are your thoughts on Tesla lowering the range by 10-15% on the older 85 packs to "try and preserve the longevity" of the pack??? I'm so mad, they reduced my range by 50km😡

[@kasmopaya2676]

Suggestion: Do not update Optimus Prime. Would be a disaster for the sale if the range drops.

[@bjornnyland]

Do you actually charge to 100 % that often?

[@davidrobertson6371]

Bjørn Nyland I run a limo service so range is very important. I bought an 85 not a 60. My max now is 350 km.

[@kasmopaya2676]

I just heard that the service centers are not installing an older update version. Very disappointing...Service centers could install the update by force i suspect, the next time you visit one. Because its a safety thing. Thats a disaster, lets say a high km car has 10% or 15% degradation, then the 15% software drop comes on top of that.

[@davidrobertson6371]

Kasmopaya mine has high km, I was getting around 410km 2013 RWD 85, and within 3 weeks I'm getting 350km and falling, I would post a graph I have from stats to show it, it's crazy, but you can post pics on KZbin. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@martinschopenhauer6510]

Who buy a Tesla? Its 2023 and the BMW I4 M50 have no opponents....

[@gergelykolcsey-gyurko4925]

awsome analitics! Thanks!

[@fireboat02]

Could you do the same for the Kona?

[@Appalling68]

3:07 Drag coefficient is affected by the square of the velocity. So there ya go.

[@jeanbaptistelabelle]

I think you meant that force of drag is related to the square of the speed. Drag coefficient does not change.

[@Appalling68]

@@jeanbaptistelabelle Oops. My bad.

[@Sebastian-lr8jc]

But the speed limit in Norway is only 110km/t

[@bjornnyland]

Yes, then you cruise at maximum 120-125 km/h which most people do.

[@JP-xd6fm]

@@bjornnyland I see in Scandinavia looks like the max speed limit is a suggestion... ... ... And then the crazy are the Italians and the south europeans ;)

[@MichaelEricMenk]

@@JP-xd6fm in Norway the police subtract a certain percentage in order for benefit of doubt regarding measurement errors. On 4 lane motorway if speed limit is 90 or above. 0-5 km/h over 800NOK 5-10km/h over 2100 NOK 10-15km/h over 3400 NOK 15-20km/h over 4700 NOK 20-25km/h over 6400 NOK 25-30km/h over 8500 NOK 30-35km/h over 10200 NOK 35km/h + over 10650 NOK 40km/h no driver's license

[@balazsschweighoffer1404]

Please post the spread sheet! Thanks.

[@AdamCiernicki]

190? Man, how I miss autobahn... In UK max you can do is 130

[@matthiask.798]

Thanks for sharing this Data 👍

[@tarasstanko8098]

190 km/h: 393 Wh/km. Who can do the math to convert quickly to liter of fossil fuel per km?

[@bjornnyland]

+Taras Stanko 1 litre = 10 kWh

[@tucsonor]

Nice. Did same calculation for my 2012 Leaf, avg speed 90 km/h and charge every 60 km for about 12-13 minutes!! Leaf for the wind. Next have to be a model 3.

[@moozoo2589]

"and charge every 60 km for about 12-13 minutes" - for some reason it made me laugh.

[@rzvqvb]

@Elon We need cruise control up to the optimum travel speed! While at it, make it a round 200 km/h. Thanks. 😀

[@roffaleft499]

@@ralanham76 Yup that's the promised top speed of the Roadster 2.0. I doubt you'll find a public road for you can sustain such speeds for more than 10 minutes even in Germany.

[@subo__xav]

No views 34 likes YT is drunk again

[@yellowlightning2488]

128 likes and 16 views when I watched it, ideed very fascinating...

[@Newzchspy]

Yellow Lightning Bjorn keeps on smashing his own like button???

[@FutureChaosTV]

Spam prevention, big data collection amongst worldwide hosting sites etc...

[@charllectric4842]

"Das ElektroAuto is so Komplikated" !!😂

[@ffabi97]

Can anyone recommend a speed for the SR+?

[@selldivision]

Perhaps this is the new numbers game that car enthusiasts can brag about...

[@marcel151]

Great comparison! To mention: Maybe this is the fastest way to drive, but not the cheapest. It would be great if you could compare how much energy it consumes (and how much the energy costs).

[@tesla-spectre]

I calculated for my Model 3 LR what pays off relating % time saved to % of extra consumption. sweet spot is 120kmh , beyond that the consumption grows exponentially while time gained is increased negatively exponentially (because the faster you drive the more likely you get stopped by other traffic so less the likely that you reslly drive fast a lot).

[@jamesellis4899]

Excellent data thanks

[@teslam3performance310]

jajajajaja you are so fun ! Regards from Spain !

[@dkgong]

Where I am, I can't go past 70mph without risk of getting a ticket... 😒

[@td_kdname5197]

Back in the day even after Reagan raised the speed limits, Pennsylvania had signs up saying, "the speed limit is still 55 and we're proud of it."

[@69andiandi]

Where can i get this T-Shirt?

[@johnchartrand5910]

Great overview of charging vs speed

[@dgoobe6834]

150mph

[@xavelec]

Great Stuff, Børn, just one caveat, the figures are calculations for minimal amount of time but don't take into account the resulting possible range. For example, assuming 400Wh/km with a 75kWh M3 LR pack, assuming 70kWh usable, a 10-60% boost, i.e. 50% capacity addition means 35kWh of added energy. 35kWh of energy used up at 400Wh/km gives you a "range" of under 100km! So you'd need to have a Supercharger every 100km or less which is still a big ask for many cross-country routes :) And a 100km range at 190km/h means a stop every 30-35 minutes. So once you take into account the time to slow down, find way to Supercharger, stop, plug, unplug, get going back up to speed, it pretty much wipes out any benefits of the faster speed in my opinion. But loving the maths nonetheless :D

[@bjornnyland]

Model 3 Long range has 74.5 kWh nominal capacity, not 70 kWh. And in my spreadsheet I also take in account charging stops (+5 minutes extra). In this video I left out all the complicated calculations because it seems like many viewers become more confused. But take a look here of how the numbers are: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYHRln6JeMeGfZI Yes, it might be hard to understand why it pays off to drive at 190 km/h. But that's the way to go if you want to arrive faster.

[@xavelec]

OK, time looks like it's been taken into account. I just wish there alway was a Supercharger every 100km or less to allow those high speeds. Otherwise, we have to slow down :)

[@tunayballa]

Shieeeeeeeeetttt

[@123pirke]

How does this compare to the SR+ with smaller battery? There will be much overhead from more frequent charging...

[@Sticowater]

If we say max 90km/h. What's the most efficient speed? 90?

[@Talaxianer]

The most efficient speed is probably around 40 km/h. The fastest average speed will be 90 km/h, because according to the video your average speed as a function of your cruising speed rises until 150 km/h.

[@Noi5ee]

In terms of average speed yes. What the chart basically means that if you charge at 120kw to 200kw, you can drive up to 190kmh before the increase in charging time reduces your overall travel speed. So basically for everyone outside Germany it means you just drive as fast as you can get away with, provided you have the necessary chargers en-route.

[@PaulBroere]

I love how serious you take you research! I wonder if the results of the test you did would also be true (optimal cruising speed 150kmh, charging 10-60%) if you would travel great distances where there's not always a supercharging at the excact right moment. I mean: of you drive fast (150) and only charge 10-60%, you have a very short range. The fast driving and charging make sure that you are fast, BUT, what if on your long journey, you have several occasions where there's no supercharger exactly at 10%.. you have to slow down, maybe take a detour?

[@robinrutschman]

Congratulations on changing your max cruise control speed from 150kph to 161kph by adding your rear spoiler and getting a software update!!!!!

[@steffenjachnow8176]

I've inhaled some diesel and now I have cancer... shieeeet!!! I will sue you! (just kidding)

[@gvrv]

Hi Bjorn! Any idea what is the fastest "efficient" speed to drive a Tesla model X Performance (Raven)? Or at least what was the sweet point on your Model X P90D? Thanks

[@toostrong2209]

Thank you!

[@xkitejunkie]

Thanks Bjørn! In the UK the Performance model comes with the 18" Aero Wheels the 20" are part of an optional package. I wonder how much Aeros on the Performance model will affect the results.

[@herguth]

The 18" aero don't fit on the performance model. Minimum 19"!

[@xkitejunkie]

@@herguth here in the UK we get a special Performance model that comes with the 18" Aero Wheels, 0-60mph 3.2s, 329mile range WLTP for £48590. Currently there is no "long range" model available only Standard + and Performance. The 20" Wheels, bigger brakes, spoiler and lower suspension is part of an optional performance package for £3700. When mine arrives I'll try and do some testing :-)

[@herguth]

Oh I see, so it's basically a long range awd with power upgrade. That's a great option.😊

[@xkitejunkie]

@@herguth yep exactly! I jumped at the chance because I wanted a long range anyway so basically got a power upgrade for free :-)

[@RFjellstroem]

Throwback to the "first edition" Performance Model 3 in the US that had the upgrade package for $5000

[@alexanderantonescu8777]

First 40 sek and you get a like... Great Video thank you from Germany

[@thomaswohlmuther9267]

Thanks! Your videos are very understandable and your analysis are profound!

[@mjpk987]

When talking about optimal cruising speed one should account for energy consumed per kilometer as well - as electricity is not free in terms of money nor emissions. I know this is a boring perspective, but to me it is very important.

[@bjornnyland]

The table at 1:18 gives you the answer.

[@LibraArzt]

Where can I buy the T-shirt you wear?

[@AzanAli-]

Calm down and Inhale some Diesel.

[@fratello2434]

What lte provider you used?

[@luisfernandes4145]

So, for my country is 130... 😩

[@esunisen3862]

Can i haz gasoline instead of diesel ?

[@rongroot557]

Is it the same for the AWD LR?

[@joopvanroy6599]

Can you add the cost factor? How much more expensive is it to drive 130kmph vs 200kmph? it's not all about speed after all :)

[@bjornnyland]

+Joop van Roy You can calculate that based on the consumption numbers shown early in the video.

[@joopvanroy6599]

@@bjornnyland I don't know Asian math! ;) and I am lazy haha Edit: OK i roughly calculated it for a 1000KM trip @ €0,25 per KWh. 110kmph: 205 KWh = €51,- 130kmph: 223 KWh = €58,- 150kmph: 275 KWh = €68,- 170kmph: 322 KWh = €80,- 190kmph: 379 KWh = €95,- A non-p Model 3 will do quite a bit better than that at every speed. If you can do 180Wh/KM (very doable at normal speeds) the 1000 km trip would cost €45,- : more than twice as cheap as going 190kmph :)

[@gasdive]

@@joopvanroy6599 km/h not kmph km not KM kWh not KWh.

[@MrPaukann]

@@gasdive, what's wrong with kmph?

[@gavjlewis]

@@joopvanroy6599 You forgot if you drive at 110kph you have to stop for more buns, hotdogs. More Asian maths needed. Hotdogs per km requirement based on average speed! ;)

[@klopherald4509]

190km/h and after 115km I have to recharge my car?

[@ingerasulffs]

If you started with 70% yes. If with 100% then you will have to charge after about 160km :). But then, you charge to 70% and drive 115km, charge again to 70% and repeat. You need to take breaks often, your back will thank you :).

[@njohan81]

My little Toyota: Yaris Hybrid (2015), would not reach thoes "cruise" speeds towards 190kmh..🙈☺️

[@roffaleft499]

I know that feeling. I drove an iX20 1.4 CRDi in Germany in 2014, the car was software limited to 165 on the speedometer, the needle wouldn't move an inch forward after that, despite being at only 3300 rpm in 6th gear.

[@njohan81]

@@roffaleft499 💪😎👍 .... 😬

[@reviewu9339]

If it's sour diesel!

[@jajac82200]

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[@PickupthePieces76]

Watching this from Ëmsburen supercharger after flooring it for a while. And I can attest, driving above 200km the kms just fly out of your battery. But damn, it's a lot of fun. 😃 Hurray for the Autobahn. Now back to the snails pace of 130km in Holland 😒 I drive a tesla model 3 awd long range, blue ext, white int. I love it!

[@gamerconstruct]

I think you should consider that not every charger is not the same distance away as every other charger. So you have to charge at least so long to geht to the other charger. This can also be 80 or 90% in some cases..

[@Noi5ee]

You can see he does show how different amounts of charging impacts overall average speed with different travel speed. The distance between chargers is different for every route and every leg of the route. So you just gonna have to consider that individually. He was just figuring out at what point the travel speed negatively impacts overall average speed, without any constrains on charger density, because again that is different everywhere.

[@bjornnyland]

The supercharger coverage is so dense that it's easy to match a supercharger for a given distance: supercharge.info/map

[@Octamed]

Make it a google sheet so we can contribute to it. Plus Australia is max 110 so not too useful ;)

[@bassbacke]

110 km/h was included. How was that not too useful? You can't expect everything to be tailored to your needs unless it's specifically made for you.

[@Octamed]

@@bassbacke I meant if we could add our own values it would be a good resource for all speeds and charging rates, since there's only one speed on there for my country, it'd be interesting to see what 90 and 100 are.

[@kellympaul]

First! MC hammer studio FTW

[@lesbendo6363]

Sadly in British Columbia, Canada we only have one hwy that allow 110 km/ hr driving. Mostly 80,90 or 100 km/hr.

[@bjornnyland]

Same in Norway.

[@roffaleft499]

There's an 120 zone on Vancouver Island and above Hope, BC towards Calgary.

[@lesbendo6363]

@@roffaleft499 Variable zone east of Hope. Did not know of the speed on Vancouver Island.

[@roffaleft499]

@@lesbendo6363 Check the ITO speed limits map. They have a somewhat up-to-date database of speed limits covering almost all developed countries. Just arm yourself with a bit of patience, rendering on that website can get really slow and it's down sometimes for hours at a time.

[@GieZatRedLight]

Hello Bjørn, noted your comments regarding speed, and difference of 190km / h and 200 km / h. Are you aware that doubling your speed 4 doubles your air resistance?

[@MrPaukann]

Approximately. But fluid dynamics are very complicated and approximations often don't give reliable results.

[@bjornnyland]

+RedLight Studio København I have never heard of that before ;)

[@BaldurNorddahl]

Yes but doubling your speed also halves the time spent in that air resistance.

[@MrPaukann]

@@BaldurNorddahl, yeah, no. Energy is force * distance. So, more force, same distance. Or power is force * speed and energy is power * time. So (if the speed is double) 4F * 2v*(1/2 t) = 4 E.

[@MrGonzonator]

Makes sense if you have free unlimited supercharging.

[@bjornnyland]

Why? Fossil cars also drive fast on the autobahn. Do they have free unlimited fuel? ;)

[@MrGonzonator]

@@bjornnyland fair point Bjorn, but we know you're a sausage eating, autobahn munching, motor-head. Your average EV driver is more than likely a tree hugging, avocado eating, ultramiler.

[@KristoferOlsson]

Driving in 190 km/h is only viable in some parts of germany and not all time of day. Then double the cost for supercharging and Adding extra stress on the battery. I would take the extra time and cruise at max 130. Save battery, save money, stay safer but loose alittle bit of time. That would be the right thing for me if I was rich and owned a model 3. But we are all differnt. If I moved back were I was born normal speed is 80km/h and max speed is 90 km/h. Driving at 150 km/h there would give me some jailtime.

[@roffaleft499]

@@bjornnyland Apparently Germans are fine with producing the extra emissions and the additional 4,5-5 EUR per 100 km. I'm not willing to pay the additional cost of driving high speed, so I gladly cruise at 130-140 km/h.

[@roffaleft499]

@@KristoferOlsson I agree with you 100%

[@spino1984]

Does cruising at 190 damage the battery?

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@spino1984]

With my m3 LR I’m avoiding high speed cruising because I thought It’s the same long term as high speed charging like supercharger.. I’m planning to keep the car until 1M km

[@DKdoman]

Could you maybe share the consumption at those speeds?

[@funkylosik]

He did in the video: 150 km/h: 283 Wh/km 190 km/h: 393 Wh/km (+39%) 200 km/h: 501 Wh/km (+27%)

[@bjornnyland]

1:17

[@KristoferOlsson]

@@funkylosik So going 200 km/h instead of 150 km/h will almost double your cost and put alot of extra stress on the battery.

[@roffaleft499]

@@KristoferOlsson Yes definitely. If you don't have free supercharging, it mirrors the cost of ICE cars at high speeds. One is looking at an additional cost of around 4,5 EUR per 100 km if driving an ICE car at 200 compared to 130 km/h. With an EV it's not that extreme, but if I can save a few Euros by driving at 130, I'll do that 99,9% of the time. If I need to cover longer distances quickly, I can take a high-speed train or airplane.

[@OkaKeanu]

what about sweden :) max speed 110 km

[@bjornnyland]

+OKA km is distance. km/h is speed. And max speed limit in Sweden is 120 km/h.

[@KristoferOlsson]

@@bjornnyland max speed of 120 is rare in Sweden. only 6 places have it and only on E4, E6 and E20. Longest stretch is ca 90km between Varberg and Skottorp. Total lenght is less then 400km out of 2145km motorway + all other roads.

[@OkaKeanu]

@@KristoferOlsson Det är sant

[@lukasjarka5340]

For combustion engine car lovers: Inhale some deasel, you'll feel a lot better. For electro-auto lovers: Inhale some Lithium or acid batteries, you WILL feel better!

[@bassbacke]

There is no exhaust coming out of an EV. Electricity stored in a battery also doesn't smell. Lithium is not in a battery as an element but in the form of a salt (or ions) and you can't normally get to it (unlike fumes from a tank or exhaust or at any gas station). EV owners just "enjoy the silence", lack of fumes, smooth drive, a full battery every day (if they like) with energy they can either produce themselves or get from a regional utility, which means support of regional business and jobs. Electricity can be produced using renewables such as solar, wind, et al. Not so with Diesel and gas. Personally I feel better if I don't have to inhale the exhausts of ICE engines. Really bad in cities, especially horrible at major crossings, worst for kids. When I used to drive a Diesel I didn't do it because I thought it was the best thing ever and I hated the smell, noise, and vibration back then already. I drove it because there was hardly any real alternative at the time. Now there are EVs suitable for many of us (not everyone, yet - or ever). I've made the switch in June of 2014, so five years ago and never regreted a second. People who are unsure or sceptical of EVs should at least test drive an EV or even a couple of them. That won me over back then. Your mileage may vary.

[@lukasjarka5340]

@@bassbacke So you bought a Tesla... If you did, you're one of the very very few people to own a Tesla in Greece (Based on your name) Nice story btw.

[@cf6282]

I wonder if there will be enough solar and wind energy once really big numbers of EV cars are hitting the road.

[@dezz00002]

​@@cf6282 "The Sun delivers more energy to Earth in an hour than we use in a year from fossil, nuclear and all renewable sources combined." (Search for this sentence to find the source of it, as well.)

[@bassbacke]

@@lukasjarka5340 I was born and raised and live in Germany. I bought a slightly used Renault ZOE Q210 in June of 2014 and I got a Tesla Model 3 end of March 2019. The ZOE is now driven by my dad.

[@ekinorak]

I want to get a model 3, but my budget is somewhat limited, i was aiming for a RWD Long range, but they just cancelled that and want to offer a 4WD instead. WIll it be scary to take a standard range for long trips? Like driving from Bergen to Spain, or over the mountain to Oslo during winter?

[@awmmuc]

I am in the same boat... Long Range with Dual Motor ist very expensive and I am sure I don't need All Wheel Drive too often. But is a Model 3 Standard Range Plus good enough?? Elon, please bring back the Long Range Version with RWD. I would even be happy with a battery size 5 to 10 kWh smaller than Long Range Batterie

[@ekinorak]

​@@awmmuc The price difference from Standard range plus 415km wltp vs the RWD Long range 600km wltp was only around 6000 euro here in Norway, and then you got the premium interior aswell. it was such a good deal. And the RWD never really arrived as a option in the online store before they cancelled it. A few did get to order it off the menu.

[@ekinorak]

@@marcusbiller867 Yea i forgot about the slower charging rates on the Standard Plus, i guess i will have to save a little longer to afford a Long range model instead :)

[@roffaleft499]

@@ekinorak I really wished they offer the long-range RWD with the option of standard interior. The only things I care about are range and charging speed. I hate leather seats and care zero about some advance audio surround system. But I guess they assume that if you're willing to spend more than 50,000 EUR you'll automatically want to have a premium interior.. and probably standardization also saves them a few thousand I guess.