Audi RS4 Quattro VS Tesla Model 3 Performance AWD - What's BEST on snow? ❄️

[@tyrereviews]

Just to clarify, for "systems off" in the Tesla it was set to track mode with stability assist set to -10 (lowest setting) and regen set to 25%. For traction the FR balance was 50/50 and for handling I found 65/35 the fastest. Disclaimer, this was shot nearly 2 years ago so and it was a rental vehicle so no idea how up to date the software was. There might have been a software update since then, but I found the same at the start of this year.

[@BrKnOblivion]

Well that makes the 'first gen vehicle' comment a little more appropriate, but even then it was like 3rd or 4th gen, if you can even measure teslas like that.

[@andrewskaterrr]

2 years ago?!?! Why wait so long?

[@Cogan1]

Shouldn't you have selected "Slip mode" for the snow driving in the Tesla? As this shuts down the TC completely? At least it does on the RWD and Long Range models

[@reinhardcremer7192]

Now this isn't very scientific, but for what it's worth - when I got my M3 3 years ago it felt more like a rear wheel driven car, over-steering and fun. Now it feels more like a front wheel drive care sliding over the front wheels when turning on snow. I can however also relate to the inconsistency you mention. Just when I think this is how it behaves, it changes and is fun for a sec. I wish I had more control and could pick the software version in the car, so it matches my prefs.

[@tyrereviews]

I didn't extensively test slip mode as we only had a day to test and film however track mode does allow slip and it overrides slip mode. The internet implies that slip mode allows some slip (not total freedom) and disables at a certain speed. I'm sure there's been plenty of updates since filming this. 2 years - we do winter testing in Jan - March and I didn't have time to finish the edit for last winter, so I saved it for this winter.

[@bilteman_hukkaportti]

I think there is a good reason why EV cars doesn’t allow to fully turn off TC even in their performance versions, because EV has so much instant power/torq you have to be super precise with acceleration pedal and also it’s very hard to control wheelspin and powerslides without gearbox.

[@thebrowns5337]

Yes, you'll never be able to fully turn off TC because, as you say, torque. People would be in ditches/trees/bus stops and even those with some self control, imagination and skill would be moaning tyres only last one day.

[@patrickf2386]

@@thebrowns5337 It's not really torque but weight in my opinion. Torque is torque, whether it comes from an ICE or an electric motor doesn't matter. And in theory, the "throttle" in an EV should actually be much more controllable, because it's immediate. I drive a RWD combustion engine car with 700 Nm atm and it will happily go sideways at 1/3 of the throttle already, but it's super easy to control. Difference is, the car weighs 500-700kg less than any EV.

[@dadthelad]

Yeah, and? Don't want their overbearing nanny control freakiness. Give us full slider control of systems on/off from 100% to 0%, and then I might consider buying one. Until then, combustion still rules the roads if you want to drive hard and fast around corners. RS4 is pretty much my dream car, what a beast, and it fits all your stuff, people, and surfboards. Sick as.

[@Nordlicht05]

​​@@patrickf2386yep. I compare this with a corvette wich I drove. On wet roads without any tc it spun the wheels on low revs instantly. Not much difference to an EV. I don't want to compare wich cars are faster than a corvette an cheaper to set it clear 😅

[@15bit62]

It's not just the immediate torque. It's also that the front and rear motors are physically uncoupled. Without the software to control, the front-rear bias is whatever the motors intrinsically have, and there is no centre differential to control wheelspin at one end. The two ends of the car are essentially independent.

[@mikemarshall9470]

Finally......a test that eliminates the tire variable!

[@heresviktor]

both of these cars had tires

[@JoeAchilles1]

Incredible video mate, Lou and I loved it ♥

[@Huttify]

Kudos for using the same tyres on the cars. It is alarming for how many testers that does not understand the importance of this.

[@RayTheFPSGamer]

The RS4 sounds lovely

[@Olppa]

It's just fake engine noise from speakers

[@THjorth]

​@@Olppaexcept it isn't 😂

[@benupde1979]

I love my 2018 RS4. Same basic car minus the facelift. I turned my soundaktor off and can confirm, it’s the car sounding like this, not speakers.

[@xIcarus227]

@@THjorth the RS4 definitely has fake noise coming from the speakers.

[@JAM_2024]

The fake noise sounds stupid

[@quattroTorsen]

Super interesting comparison for us tire and drivetrain obsessed people👍 love the focus on keeping it unbiased and using the same tires😁

[@grumpyoldefarte5430]

The tesla being heavier will chew up tyres more quickly... (costing more) proven. The tesla will chew up brake pads quicker and create more poisonous polluting particle dust.. (costing more) proven. Therefore - buy the Tesla!!!

[@rodrigosarcinelli]

Definitely not unbiased… and I understand his preference for the RS4 … that sound is awesome

[@snowrocket]

Using the same exact tires is key to understanding the real differences between the cars themselves. This test showed two of the most fun and best snow cars you can buy anywhere. The Audi didn't surprise me based on their decades of quattro development and rally heritage. It's pretty much everything you could want in a street car for year round use. The Tesla was impressive considering how young the company and the Model 3 is. Considering how simple the 3's drivetrain is and the fact that you can adjust the front-to-rear torque split, it's a winning combination in my mind.

[@Apemania69]

Love my audi s3 and my model 3 both in the snow. What i learned is that the tesla just goes no matter how steep the hill is with snow. It just keeps pushing. What i love about the audi is as you said the predictability of how the car does arround corners. From a safety standpoint tesla wins it hands down From a funfactor i give it to the audi 😉 That summs up my experience as a swiss who regularly drive in the mountains

[@viktorvozniak7605]

Genau 👍

[@Super-lucky-7777]

Does the performance of the T3 drain as the charge drains ?

[@namp007]

​@@Super-lucky-7777unfortunately yes, not lineary (difference between 100% and 70% is very hard to tell, but diff between 60% and 30% is big)

[@Super-lucky-7777]

@@namp007 ok thanks.

[@nster3]

Loved seeing snow traction on vs sport vs off! It gives us mortals an idea of how it might work for us. Keep it up with winter tire content, would love to see impact of tire width and more EV content, notably the BMWs. My BMW i3s has 155 19" tire/wheel set for winter and 195 20" summer set. Being RWD, my rear tires get chewed up SO FAST, by far the most expensive part of driving my car is tires every couple of years!

[@Stilo95]

Buy a proper BMW.

[@EliasNStuff]

The fact that you even compare these two vehicles is a HUGE win for Tesla

[@tyrereviews]

A good way of looking at it

[@HQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQ]

They did an amazing job with electronics, but failed with unreliable motors, design and materials. Cybertruck can't even pull a trailer because its rear will break off - whole bumper with some frame.

[@michaeltan9512]

More like huge win for Audi. AWD EV has the traction control advantage since the respond time of a motor is way way faster than ICE.

[@Traumatree]

@@michaeltan9512 EV mostly has the weight advantage for their tire size. Put less wide tires on that Audi and see how it rockets.

[@michaeltan9512]

@@Traumatree 235 vs 245, its actually not that big of a difference. Main difference is the motor vs ICE. The model 3 is considered lightweight EV, it's heavier than the Audi but only by ~200lbs so not much.

[@aluminumfalcon552]

Those fenders on the Audi bring back memories of the Quattro rally car, looks so cool!

[@CED99]

I like the world where 220kg is "a few kilos"

[@seashackf1]

I noticed that too. When he said a few kilos I specifically looked at the weights and was like….wait…😉

[@Sal3600]

Murica

[@ae7459]

Super fun to watch comparison. Hats off to Tesla for a far they have come, but nice to see Ingolstadt still be the champ at its own game.

[@furieux6742]

Because weight...

[@rodrigosarcinelli]

Yeah, they kinda made it still win 😅

[@carholic-sz3qv]

tesla hasnt come really far lol!!!! traction control systems have existed for decades and had been dveloped by mercedes and BOSCH, i think some audi have a locking diff on their awd system

[@THExKINGxKINGx]

@@carholic-sz3qvshut up kid 🤡

[@Jonas-xy8ir]

​@furieux6742 I live In Canada and when there are ice and snow outside we put some bricks in our cars for better traction More weight is better

[@B2C2007]

Love these reviews. So much info to process and not dumbed down in its description of feel and technique.

[@olabondesson4902]

I would like this test done with Nordic winter tyres. As a Swede, it looked like the tyres are quite bad for snow/ice compared to what we use up here.

[@ogi-wankenobi3638]

lol

[@Pabla98]

As Model S LR owner and RS7 owner this review is spot on. The Tesla AWD system works very well when it works but its a bit unpredictable there are a lot variables it playing with and it errors on the safe side (my car doesn't have track mode so can't turn of ESC or change torque split). The Audi on the other hand almost feels like a sledge hammer in a good way, it was predictable but almost felt like it was allowing a lot of slip (ESC Sport). It isn't an apples to apples comparison though since I have directional snow tires on the RS7 and high performance winter tires on the Tesla but whenever it snows I reach for the RS7 keys.

[@evol3852]

To Audi: Give this man only Torsen models so that he can use them more often in his videos.

[@seashackf1]

Yes, he should never use haldex to represent Quattro. If using haldex just use a VW so as not to muddy the waters.

[@rodmunch69]

I'm from Florida, never seen snow, and found this to be really interesting. Something that will also be interesting is based on the new Cybertruck, and according to the Hagerty video on it, that it's now all steer-by-wire. That will certainly come to the other models soon, and it means they'll be able to really dial in steering however you want it, beyond just making it heavier. Just think in a few years that you'll be able to buy performance tires, then download profiles for those tires based on the conditions, and how you want to drive. That could be amazing, and here much sooner than you might think.

[@chiboreache]

truck is pure useless rubbish, it would perform much worse than 3

[@Gilbertus64]

@@chiboreachehow would you know ? Are you working at Tesla ?

[@chiboreache]

@@Gilbertus64 i'm just not mirricas🤷‍♂ i have brain in my head, instead of wind of the freedom🦅

[@giacomu1]

Murican freedom saved your a.. in ww2, and today Russians eat dirt in Ukraine using (mostly)US ammunition because EU is the " virgin girl" who wants to get married to a rapist from Russia and live a easy life using Russian oil and gas.

[@Killyang]

That’s actually a really smart comment. The idea of downloading a specific steering profile based on current tires and road surface sounds insane but it’s probably just a couple of years away.

[@pauledwards1157]

I own an S5 and the car is absolutely amazing in the snow with Blizzaks. Without a doubt, the best, most confident feel of any car I’ve ever driven with snow tires. What surprises me is how good it is in the snow even with the summer tires.

[@HQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQ]

Come on! It can't be good in snow with summer tires! Neither of cars can.

[@t3dd18]

Amazing video, I don't think I have ever seen you with a bigger smile while doing a test, ever :D. I am happy you enjoyed the Torsen in snow!

[@jamest5149]

As a RS6 owner entering winter, this made me so happy 😇

[@CONNNE]

quattro is just built different. I've seen a 3.0 diesel quattro pulling a bus out of snow few years ago

[@arekb5951]

​@@CONNNEprobably the bus didn't need much to get pulled out, quattro is not magic, many modern drivetrains can spin all four wheels at once especially on snow, so it's down to the tyres and amount of traction they have. Quattro won't magically increase grip of the tyres that are on the car. Main torsen quattro advantages compared to clutch based AWD systems are robustness and predictability on moderate/low grip surfaces.

[@thebrowns5337]

People forget it's all down to tyres. The best system in the world is still running on four small patches of plastic (tyres are not really rubber these days) on a very slippy surface. The worst thing is some drivers think their 4x4/all wheel drive/quattro etc makes their car better all round on snow and ice - in terms of braking it makes no difference. So they barrel towards a corner or back of a queue and end up in trouble.

[@PatG-xd8qn]

​@@thebrowns5337Exactly. I live in the second snowiest city in Canada (Saguenay) and most cars I see in ditches in winter are AWD SUVs. That's because AWD might help the car to accelerate faster on snow, but it doesn't help to steer nor to brake. The higher speed those people are going increases their risks of crashing

[@GaborBekkerbboytr1ck2g]

@@arekb5951watch some videos.. and learn more about quattro

[@numero_nero8621]

I’ve been driving a B9.5 RS4 on winter tyres for a couple of weeks and am genuinely surprised by how modern winter tyres can handle the car’s 600Nm torque on cold but not yet icy tarmac (Pilot Alpin 4 275/30R20). I can send the car flat out from cruising around 50-60mph without making the tyres squeal. If they didn’t make whining noise at low speed passengers won’t know it’s on winter tyres. Amazing. It’s great to know they’re going to perform this good on the snow too.

[@mho0]

I have pilot Alpin 5 in Polestar 2 BST and I cannot stop being amazed how good those tires are in everything else than wet ice. And even on ice they are still drivable.

[@tafl-9198]

Awesome video 👍 Would also be interesting to see some EV RWD testing in same conditions.

[@teovm]

No questions, just pure fun watching this. Amazing! Keep up the good work.

[@robertantoncic7610]

Dream test conditions💪💪💪 Driving on a track like that is a game and life changing experience as even on very moderate speeds gives you loads of adrenaline and ideas about how the car would behave on some extremely high speeds which will not be safe on the regular track and particularly not on the regular road. Perfect execution and great filming💯💥🔥

[@markoverton5858]

I had for several years a rs4 2014 avant B8 450 plus hp, it was a factory delimited vip demo car, capable of 200 mph, never had anything challenge it, a true beast,

[@Rone-w]

It was some time ago so unsure if it was an option but the tesla does have "slip-start" option (not in track mode) which could have made difference also

[@Dave-ei7kk]

I was thinking the same thing. My Tesla M3 Performance has had the slip start option since 2018 and still does. That feature is designed for starts on limited traction surfaces. Track mode is for track day on a high traction surface.

[@alexandermaliy3515]

Thank you & Please, keep on going! it is such an interesting, rare and useful content. I wish you also compare other different AWD systems: AUDI, BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, SubaruCadillac, Volvo, etc.

[@p0werl0ve]

Tesla did surprisingly well. This is flagship Audi product.

[@stealthhtm23]

RS6/7 would be Audi’s flagship cars

[@Fanaleds-software]

@@stealthhtm23 RSQ8 would be more flagship.

[@stealthhtm23]

@@Fanaleds-software why would an suv be a flagship car? lol

[@UCh5Y7Xd0i3UUWRpAjFs]

​@@stealthhtm23 I purchased my Tesla model 3 Performance with 12tsd km for 37.500€. No Service costs, no taxes and only 5 liter consumption.

[@Momo_8k]

It’s part of the RS lineup. Is there a higher sport model?

[@a4allroad841]

Thank you for this great on snow test. My 2 favorite cars

[@BackToWar100]

I really want to see a real Quattro Audi from the 90's or 80's to see the difference .

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There were a few systems in 80s. In 90s to.

[@vit.c.195]

No you dont... because torsen was 1WD drive and you will never guess which one.

[@VincentDP]

Woohoo!! What a great, fun video! Well done.

[@GaborBekkerbboytr1ck2g]

quattro is quattro.. still the king :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Quattro is a marketing name for over twenty different types of awd systems.

[@NoMoYOUsernames]

Torsen Quattro is still the king, yes.

[@quikgt]

As a 60 + person who grew up drifting everywhere, I approve this video!

[@GeneralKato]

I didn’t even care for the comparison. I care not for EV’s. Just wanted to see that awesome RS4 have fun in the snow for nearly 20 minutes! It’s even in my fav colour!

[@Super-lucky-7777]

Buy one

[@webomatic44]

I'm very pleased that you are rolling on the P Zero Winters. There's almost no information or reviews out there on this tire. I almost throw them on my Audi this year, but I'm still waiting to see either more reviews or more tests from those using them daily.

[@witreks]

Great video as always and thank you for making this content (tyre reviews/comparisons), these videos helped me decide on tyres and have confidence I'm driving my family on safest tyres possible. (but when alone also knowing that when I push the car out of grip it's because of me, not the tyres. :) But something completely off topic, looking at this thumbnail is the first time it struck me how big the model 3 actually is. It looks so small on its own but it's the same size as an A4, never noticed that.

[@the_chap]

Great video, and it's really fun to watch - but seriously, how many people are actually going to drive their Audi or Tesla in the snow like this on the road? Probably less than one in a million. So, most owners of these vehicles can probably be quite satisfied with their car's performance in the snow.

[@busslayer4790]

Even with a lot of modern IC cars, the electronic nanny systems really kill any kind of fun in the snow. I guess they help people who are just trying to get where the are going, but they make aggressive driving frustratingly unpredictable.

[@tyrereviews]

Which is why I'm thankful you can still turn them off in the RS4 instead of pulling an abs fuse

[@iain8837]

99% of people will drive in these conditions with all systems on, Tesla wins in that situation.

[@Manakuski]

Which is why even a regular BMW 3-series is fun on snow, because even in the G20 you can turn DSC off and it is fun.

[@harryspeakup8452]

@@iain8837 but those 99% of people will just get a regular A4 Avant or LR Tesla, not a performance version

[@swishyfeet]

@@harryspeakup8452 In real life we don't have a prepped road or fluffy snow banks, we have curbs and traffic

[@Eduardolo1964]

I live in Switzerland and that's exactly why I drive an RS4. My choice at the time was the B8 model with V8 4.2 L high revs 8500 rpm.

[@tomcardale5596]

It would be really interesting to see the comparison between an older Torsen Audi and a newer Haldex Audi. My gut feeling is the full time Torsen will perform better than the "lock the clutch up when it slips" Haldex but I've been wrong before!

[@walthefl]

Isn’t heldex only on the small Audis with the transversely mounted engine (like a3 or q3)?

[@rkan2]

There are at least "Ultra Quattro" A4s that have Haldex 4WD system. But I think they are only the 4cyl models, not RS with 6cyl.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@rkan2Quattro ultra is not haldex. Both are using clutch packs to power rear wheels but they are different systems.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@waltheflSmall models and 2nd gen of R8.

[@dirkdee9751]

Another brilliant video! Thank you!

[@Z-u-m-a]

Great test. Great place to do it too - that slope could be really illustrative in comparing different tyres (makes, winter vs 4S/AS) and drive systems (2/4) .

[@thierrylambert883]

Very nice video done right! If i can add, Quattro Ultra is everything but Haldex. Very different. Its still Torsen but with clutch packs instead of the center differential, so the system can disengage the rear to save fuel and mechanical drag if needed (which is 95% of the time in normal driving). Its also proactive, rather than reactive like Haldex, it will engage awd before its needed so you will never see the difference with a permanent awd. Its in fact less strong in harsh offroad conditions than Quattro, but an A4 isnt made for that anyway. I have an allroad with Ultra and before I knew it had Ultra, i thought it performed better than my b8 a4 with Quattro. The things it can do on snow is amazing😂

[@karlo8570]

great review as usual! 👍👍 Just wanted to add that quattro ultra (first appeared with a4 b9 allroad 2.0 ) isnt the same thing as haldex (uses hydraulic clutch at the rear wheels). All audis (a3,a1,q2,q3.) that has latitudinally mounted engine uses haldex and all models of vw that has 4motion. haldex more of an FWD usually engages when there is a slip detected. Ultra is more engaged systems and depending on which drive mode you are in... i.e in practice it will disengage rear diff with "ultra clutch" (sets of wet clutch plates, at the back of transmision) on straight highway speeds with normal conditions, when there's no need to drive whole driveline and sets of gears like torsen quattro to reduce friction and losses - ergo more fuel consumption. Todays quattros are more of an emblem thing as you know. there is bunch of videos and study explanation on yt btw your tests are mandatory in my opinion! 💪

[@glisse499]

Minor correction - neither the current RS3 or Golf Type R use a Haldex system. Audi currently have 4 different quattro systems in use for their ICE vehicles, so not sure what you meant by the emblem thing. Not a great surprise that Jonathan likes the rear biased self-locking centre diff version, it suits his driving style 😂

[@ego4551]

Small correction, The quattro in the B9 was quattro with ultra technology and not quattro ultra. They are different systems.

[@karlo8570]

Yes the latest RS3 uses RS torque splitter, when you look at SSP it looks like there is two of "ultra clutch"/awd clutch on each drive shaft in the rear :D but i didnt mention RS models ;) Didnt mean in negative context, but more in the way that nowadays there is a couple of quattro versions (better or slightly less better variants) with pros and cons in setup with same emblem that real audi connoisseur will recognize :D PS didn't dive to deep into RS3 tqsp quattro, but seems like way to go 😬 @@glisse499

[@karlo8570]

btw what do you mean with "they are different system"? there is no two versions of "ultra" it is quattro with ultra technology like you said or commomly used way of saying the same thing "quattro ultra" ;)@@ego4551

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@karlo8570The difference between quattro ultra and haldex is only the driveshaft disconnection. Torque transfer is basically the same, actually haldex is even more active as it's never entirely open.

[@neilanderson2374]

I was visiting Iceland last year and i hired a cheap Suzuki 4x4 which came with studded tyres. Got to see some pretty hairy roads; dual carrageways with sheet ice where I was terrified of doing over 50mph on. Seemed like ever other car that would overtake me at speed was a Tesla 3. they looked phenomenally safe on the road

[@lassebauer]

I´m impressed how fast that kitchen appliance is on the snow.

[@zmirc]

😂

[@tyrereviews]

lol. It's a very fun appliance

[@lassebauer]

@@tyrereviews Yup, I tried a couple of them. They are lots of fun, like toys.

[@thebrowns5337]

Loved this! Looked so much fun.Two great cars, even if the Tesla is a bit sterile (altough most drivers need the car to look after them on snow/ice more than they care to admit).

[@gurgenmakaryan4428]

If gasoline money isn't issue, i still prefer combustion engine even if slower, but totaly different feeling, specially rs cars

[@LordLoMR2]

I used to have a 2018 Subaru forester XT and it did handle better in the snow than my model 3 performance. But overall they are still pretty good in the snow.

[@bkucinschi]

I'll have the Audi, thank you. I love a warm engine when I'm surrounded by snow. A couple of gasoline jerrycans in the trunk are great to have for peace of mind... always carry a 5 gallon steel jerrycan when planning a trip in the winter and may get stuck in a snowstorm.

[@RemoteSpeed007]

Except you need approx 6x the amount of energy on the ICE compared to the Tesla.

[@doaudi1720]

​@RemoteSpeed007 your wrong enjoy the diesel Generator charge and african children slave labour that supplied you minerals for the first of 3 batteries you buy

[@ВіталійДедік]

A bit unexpected video, but it's great, thank You.

[@jasontysoe138]

The cold would significantly affect the battery performance in the Tesla... loads of KZbin videos on battery temperature and hp output difference in the Tesla 3 Performance

[@sszhao11]

I installed a APR throttle controller. It is the best thing for traction management. In low grip surfaces. You need slower rate increase speed. Not a sudden increase in torque that breaks traction. Throttle controller can slowly smoothly apply small increase throttle. (Adjustable) That does not break the traction. I set acceleration slope 50% for rain and 30% for snow. And can essentially apply perceived full throttle and let the controller slowly ramp up speed

[@user-rs1fo2dd9b]

whos APR? they make aftermarket tesla components?

[@huseyinakyol48]

Quattro power 💪

[@LionRunner]

Absolutely fantastic video. I love to see a similar test with similar weight and tires 4WD (in 4H or center diff lock) vs AWD. Love to see someone else test what O'Neil Rally School tested sometime back. Can 4WD still keep up with newer AWD on winter braking, may be prooving O'Neil Rally School wrong. I quote O'Neil Rally School "When you're in 4WD, the front and rear axles are mechanically linked by the driveshafts and transfer case. The front and rear will turn at the same speed, regardless of whether you're on the gas, coasting, or on the brakes. Your brakes send 70% pressure to the front and 30% to the rear, but in 4WD the front and rear axles are connected so you end up with 50-50 brakes front and rear. This is much better on snow and ice."

[@tyrereviews]

What cars could I use. RW4 / M3 X-Drive for sure, but what's similar with a proper AWD system

[@LionRunner]

@@tyrereviews I think something like Ford Bronco v6 part time 4WD vs Mazda CX9 inline 6 AWD would be a close match, both weighing around 4500lbs. Both rear wheel biased, Mazda send power to front and Bronco in 4H will have 50:50 split. Maybe can use 265/60R18 vs 265/70R17 tires on CX9 and Bronco Or Toyota Highlander Limited AWD vs 4Runner Limited 4WD. Both around 4500lbs and both can have 245/55R19 vs 245/60R20 tires. But Highlander is frond wheel biased vs 4Runner Limited is rear wheel biased, but when center diff locked it is 50:50 like a part time 4wd in 4H. Just some suggestions as a viewer, not an expert like you sir.

[@TC-V8]

Full size landrovers/Rangerover/Defended/Discovery are AWD and also can be locked 4WD and also can have mechanical locking rear dif.

[@LionRunner]

@@TC-V8 they are not AWD right? Fulltime 4WD with a mechanical center diff, always connected vs electromagnetic clutch or viscous coupling AWD vehicles have.

[@tyrereviews]

@@LionRunner thanks! I'll look into them further:)

[@exif6839]

Wait till there is -30 C and then compare this cars again 😂

[@tabletsardar9366]

Where do you live?

[@AndiGry]

Right, the RS4 won't start, that's going to be a problem

[@claytongood5372]

​@@AndiGrykeep dreaming

[@Sal3600]

Yea the audi won’t start

[@justdriveit1982]

Awesome video!!!Congrats!!!

[@aho4fun]

For best all wheel drive u need to test 2018+ subaru wrx sti with DCCD control, u can adjust what u need to be quick :) with active vectoring , helical-type limited-slip front differential and TORSEN limited-slip rear differential...it's proper snow machine... can u test also the same tyre in different rim sizes with one car, because test show some wierd differences .

[@tudorwynphillips6458]

Great video, many thanks

[@voldar70]

Great test. Nice video. What I learned from the video : with all systems ON, as usually a car is driven, Tesla wins in Stop&Go. It also wins in braking distance on snow by 2 m. The two are what does matter in a normal usage of the car during winter/snowy roads. Not bad for a car made by nerds who 10 years ago didn't know how a car works and not by an OEM who does 4WD for decades.

[@TiberiuBlue]

Very close results, but with price difference I consider that Tesla is the winner by far! Great video! 👍

[@davetravels9273]

I know this is older, but at least now, Tesla has a slip start option for winter driving. 😉 The Tesla is clearly limiting power to prevent slip in this video.

[@rrshse6704]

If you thought the RS4 AWD system is impressive, you should try and see what an Audi E-TRON can do! It would be fun to pit it against the Tesla........."apples to apples" Jon.

[@12357Dany]

Rs4👍

[@GregVannetelbosch]

Can you please share tyres size + specifications for Tesla

[@TC-V8]

Proper Quattro is a mechanical permanent AWD system, you are the first person i have heard mentions the benefits of having all 4 wheels mechanically linked, feeling very consistent and planted. On demand systems haldex/xdrive etc which use a clutch revert to one driven axle when engine braking and can't give the same consistency- not to mention they can over heat.

[@connorleyland8695]

Its called a torsen quattro system

[@Traumatree]

That's why Subaru AWD is top.

[@connorleyland8695]

@@Traumatree not even close

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Both companies are using mechanical awd systems and the ones based on clutch packs. But if you look at the top of the top system made by each company - Audi has never ever made as sophisticated system as Subaru DCCD (or Mitsubishi S-AWC from Evo).

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@connorleyland8695There's much more than torsen.

[@jm9371]

There is not a lot of 4K footage on KZbin... Top drawer video!

[@LearningFast]

Great video! I really enjoyed seeing how impressive they both were in the snow. The Audi is simply an incredible driving machine. However, it costs a lot too. You can get a Tesla Model 3 Performance for $41K after tax credits in the US right now. You can't buy an Audi RS4 here but if you could it would be at least double that. Also, If you navigate to a SuperCharger with the Tesla it can add as much as 100 HP by heating the battery especially in colder temps like that. It probably wouldn't have made a huge difference in the snow but if you ever test a Tesla Model 3 Performance in the dry for straight line acceleration you simply must heat the battery first. It isn't a reasonable comparison otherwise.

[@MarcOnrustNL]

If you're using the car properly in track mode, the battery will heat up pretty quickly. It needs cooling rather than heating, and that is exactly what it does.

[@LearningFast]

@@MarcOnrustNL for straight line acceleration testing it won’t heat the battery quickly enough especially if it is cold out. For road course testing you would be correct. However, for straight line testing like they did in this video Track Mode will make the car MUCH slower on dry surfaces.

[@tyrereviews]

No doubting the Model 3 Perf is INSANE value

[@duramaxadventures5832]

Do bear in mind that power balance slider in track mode is only for when steering lock is applied (I don't have the data for the point at which it's active). When the wheel is straight it's Tesla default (same as 50:50 on slider)

[@JohnSmith-se5vo]

Id take the awesome RS4 engine sound roar over the whisper quiet electric Tesla engine any day of the week.

[@JAM_2024]

The fake roar you hear on the inside sounds stupid

[@yamahass66]

Hakkapelitta R3 vs R5? And Hakkapelitta 9 vs 10? What you you think about those and why?

[@Alicia-lk9mq]

Beatiful Audi!

[@BrianCorish]

I have a Model 3 Performance and regularly drive on snow (live in Switzerland) I agree with everything you said. The technology is great but it’s a bit boring as a drivers car.

[@andrewchron]

tesla was never a driver's purist machine that you say at 14:55 . it has always been the technologist's purist machine

[@HyadumHH]

All good and fun, but I wonder how many laps can you do in the Tesla before it will not allow you to drift at all?

[@borinvlogs]

Question is how many laps can you do without getting tired, sick and dizzy? 🤢

[@lucasilvestriX]

Rs4!!!❤

[@romantsyganov427]

I would love to see a extreme winter tire review specifically Michelin Xice vs Bridgestone blizzak dmv-2 on ice and snow

[@JohnSmith-ym3zq]

Hey Jon, I wonder compared to the Audi, if you would like the BMW X-drive even more, with apparently a slightly more rear bias than Quattro!? Maybe you could conveniently coincidentally try that comparison in snow handling one day👍

[@veke1069]

He has made a full xDrive vs Quattro test

[@Uberkeko.]

Quattro is more forgiving than x-drive, I would love to test a subaru

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Quattro Ultra is not haldex system. Both use clutch packs to power rear wheels but systems are different.

[@rossishima]

Nice to see how the Tesla performs full tilt in the snow, something I will never do---chicken. I can vouch how safe the Tesla M3P performs in the worse wintery conditions. For a family hauler, probably one of the safest vehicle to be in. Excellent nanny on board, never had traction issues and always keep you strairght...and this is on UHP all season tires.

[@BarryMakariou]

I have the MYP the traction control is much better than my previous Macan GTS but you can really feel the rear weight bias in icy conditions very scary!

[@iguanagoat799]

"few kilos heavier" - 220kg. Yep. Just a few.

[@Divine_Serpent_Geh]

Haha exactly, stupid idiot assessments like that are why I hate lots of these journalistic reviews and tests. 220KG is two full fat grown men.

[@swishyfeet]

The Tesla isn't anywhere near 220kg heavier though. Closer to 20kg heavier.

[@inzMaruda]

this is what I wanted also to mention. 220kg of difference. this is over 10% heavier than Audi.

[@suunraze]

Amazing performance from the Audi to keep up with and even outperform the M3 in some trials. Hats off to the engineers!

[@sandroschtolpe6803]

There is no M3 in this vid.

[@tyrereviews]

For some reason M3 = Model 3 now too

[@sandroschtolpe6803]

@@tyrereviews Pretty dumb.

[@william_hartman]

During the drag race portion you mentioned turning the systems off on the Audi on run 4, but did you also turn on track mode to get more control of the Tesla as well?

[@jammaschan]

you should probably watch the video because he already answered the question

[@topgunm]

@@jammaschan yeah, and he was wrong. Track mode lets the wheels spin. So it would have been a good and fair race.

[@jammaschan]

@@topgunm if you already know the answer then don't pretend to ask a question, just say your opinion.

[@tyrereviews]

Track mode was turned on for the drag races with systems off, along with tc set to -10

[@topgunm]

@@jammaschan i didn't write the original comment 🤣

[@oscarzt1652]

shifting that audi like an old skool honda civic 👌🏻👍🏻🔥👂🏻hell yeah john benson

[@St_An_80]

quattro ultra is not haldex ...

[@T0LL1S]

Very beautiful video and presentation of the two cars. My opinion is that it is pretty hard to beat the quattro system. It is in perfect harmony with the snow. It is his natural environment. Audi addresses drivers while Testla addresses actors 🙂

[@festyVAL21]

you didn’t mention what settings you used for the track mode. those make all the difference. “systems off” would be 50/50 and traction at 5

[@tyrereviews]

Traction was at -10, after a lot of playing I found 65/35 (r/f) fastest

[@CarlHook]

I just spent 2 days with M3 Perf and my thought are identical. Someone needs to make a device to fully disable all nannies, as M3 Perf can do it, but its very unpredictable at high speed snow drift. Also you cannot drift slow, as you need to keep over powering nannies to keep the slip which means that you keep going faster and faster

[@davedave1398]

did you turn on slip start on the Tesla?

[@arnozwegers38]

At about 7 minutes the presenter makes comment about a previous video where an Audi quattro ultra was used, saying it is a haldex system. That is not correct. The haldex system is front drive to start with and using a system with an oil bath the rear wheels are added when required for traction. The Quattro Ultra system is always 4 wheel drive to start with and electronically it can, when possible with no slip, disconnect the real wheels. So haldex fwd + rear, ultra awd - rear

[@JohnSmith-se5vo]

The Ultra system was adopted mainly for fuel efficiency and cost saving, still not a proper permanent awd system. Its a shame Audi dropped the Torsen for the Ultra system in their newer cars.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It's all up to software and there's actually no difference between ultra and haldex. Furthermore, haldex may be even more active if it doesn't open entirely.

[@pacolicious]

I prefer engine sound. The Audi sounds great

[@xIcarus227]

Sadly, it sounds like that because there's lots of fake speaker noise inside the cabin. That V6 sounds like a vacuum cleaner with all the OPF filterage and noise regs.

[@mattsson265]

Torsen Quattro in snow is a dream. It just goes where u point it. Suprisingly good with summertires in snow except when u need to break xD. I was expecting the Tesla to win by margin since everyone talks how superior Tesla AWD and traction control is.

[@wolfgangbarrio5043]

Tesla is all hype.

[@borinvlogs]

It beats RS product with less weight in the braking test. It is like showing a big middle finger to the face of Audi that is so proud of RS product, Quattro and heritage, yet still get spanked by a heavier, cheaper to buy and cost almost nothing to run EV in braking test and RS also lost in snow test with all TC on and that's how people drive in real life.

[@mattsson265]

@@borinvlogs Like the guy above says😂😂

[@louiecarrigan821]

​@@mattsson265ignore the teslafanboys, they are coping hard

[@mattsson265]

@@louiecarrigan821 Always👊 I've always found it funny that when something else is better than their beloved brand, there's always an excuse to... 😂 It's like they need justification for their purchase. As I said in my original comment, torsen quattro with sports diff at the back is amazing, u point and it goes there.

[@paulf3353]

I think you should have tried track mode on model 3, would be interesting on traction test

[@tyrereviews]

Track mode was enabled whenever the systems were off.

[@erdnussflip3439]

In Teslas you can't turn off the traction control completely even with Track Mode, that's why Audi wins easy the drag race with TC off.

[@VipoSek]

Tesla Model 3 Perfomance AWD: 1928 kg / 4202 lbs vs Audi RS4 B9 Avant: 1817 kg its normal. on snow is important 1. Traction (Tyres) 2. Weight 3. Perfomance - Power, AWD and Torque Vectoring or eLSD or Torsen for Left and Right Wheels .

[@thecount1001]

the Audi is gorgeous.

[@wolfgangbarrio5043]

Sure does. That white thing looks like a piece of white bread on wheels

[@stayphun6188]

​@@wolfgangbarrio5043As if the Audi looks any better 🤣🤣🤣

[@wolfgangbarrio5043]

@@stayphun6188 tf you mean, rs4 looks sexy af

[@stayphun6188]

@@wolfgangbarrio5043 It's basically german baroque, looks boring and outdated.

[@wolfgangbarrio5043]

@@stayphun6188 Looks like a great performance sedan, aggressive and still subtle. While the Tesla looks like a bloated Dodge Dart. Trash lmfaooo

[@GregySVK]

Great video! Now compare price tags 🙈

[@kristijan933]

Id take ANY Audi over ANY Tesla ANY day

[@Tommyownzz]

obsolete tech.. do you also use flip phone? 😂

[@camperhonsa8633]

The more I watch good drivers like yourself, the more i realize how much I suck at driving😂Good video though