The New Formd T1 - Best Tiny PC Case?

[@optimumtech]

Planning another build in this one soon! If you like tiny cases you might also like: Custom loop in the Dan A4-H2O: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5OllXh8qaeph68 GPU undervolting guide: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKLTl4yKnplmiqc Build and review in A4-H2O (thermals at end vs. T1): kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGq4e3aCf554arM

[@raff9427]

Uploading at 12am at night, how am I supposed to like comment and subscribe in these twilight hours???!?

[@alexgchen]

at 7:00 you said youre gonna leave a guide down here, where can I find it?

[@optimumtech]

@@alexgchen just added to top comment!

[@GnomeMatrix]

Hey Ali, very glad to see you review the v2! I was wondering if you would have any interest in revisiting your 3090 + 5950x build but this time in the v2, using tx240, 2 full size fans, and maybe an alloycraft LOBO. I'm sure a lot of people would be excited to see that :)

[@sffbuilds5242]

I feel like the bad temps in the reference layout is due to the PSU

[@ohmike]

The builds are getting smaller while I swear, your muscles are getting bigger!

[@ayo0069]

we need build/biceps ratio for sure

[@tommyariap3464]

My dude here keep building Small Form Factor while keep building his Swole Form Factor

[@DrTopLiftDPT]

Swole among pc enthusiasts is so generous

[@ohmike]

@@ayo0069 Small gear. Big guns.™️

[@yankthis6359]

Pause

[@_stan]

your filming editing and script writing is honestly perfect. straight to the point, just what a lot of people look for in a video.

[@Zestmistergamer]

I'm so amazed that pc cases gotten so far that I can't wait to get this type of case someday.

[@phantomflame0658]

I wish Formd made a nice compact ATX mid tower, but with the same great build quality and design as something like this. I will never go SFF due to higher noise, SFX psu, etc so I would love something like this if it was bigger

[@logirex]

I will never understand these chassis myself. It will cost more than an equivalent standard midi tower, it will run hoter and perform worse and likely due to heat push fan speed higher. For instance a reference RTX 3080 in a good standard chassi will run 100-200MHz higher in clock speed and obviously similiar results for the processor. Then you can't add more drives for mass storage and you are limited in gpu size and a million other limitations. The only reason for a chassi like this is if you live in a cupboard or think it looks "cool" 🤦‍♂

[@jakobnorrestam]

@@logirex or if you need to move your setup often, maybe because you live in 2 different places or go to lan parties often. Believe me, it's NOT fun carrying around a 15kg full ATX tower. Everyone has different needs

[@Sparples]

@@jakobnorrestam yep

[@mopnem]

@@logirex I would say the majority of people would do this either out of appreciation that it simply exists or to look cool/a combination of both..at least that's why I'm going to do it. - Arguably, it's less aesthetic than RGB, yr aesthetic mid-tower but darn it if it's not top level clean in presentation.

[@Simply_Scott]

Happy to finally see this review live! The T1 Sandwich is a great case, hope to see a build of yours with an AIO or custom loop in it soon. The reference does have worse temperatures, but you can squeeze in a couple more fans to help with temperatures, and it does save a bit of money. The reference should also be able to fit a 280mm AIO, whereas the sandwich can only do 280 rads as part of a custom loop. The sandwich can now do a 240 + 280 rad for a custom loop. Sandwich can also do 2 25mm fans on a TX240 now, as there is 46mm above the motherboard. For standard AIO rads (27mm) you do still need a slim fan. I personally run 1 A12x15 and a T30 above the PSU. There's also two PSU mounting options, standard one you showed off, as well as an alternative 90° mount. The second one allows for some really clean custom cables. You can fit something crazy like a 64 core epyc in there too with ASRock's Deep ITX motherboard.

[@HeyNavi]

Love this case so much! You actually got me into itx PCs and was gonna build an ncase until I saw your formd t1 video! Two years later, I finally built my first ever custom pc/itx pc with the v2 sandwhich. It definitely feels satisfying (and exhausting) to finish building in this case. And that power button on the front panel is just cherry on top. Feels very satisfying too

[@hxpers]

It really is a beautiful build. I hope they produce a T2 of some sort that accommodates for these larger 4000 series GPUs coming soon.

[@NavicNick]

They are actually! It's a collab between Ncase and FormD. Basically, imagine the Reference layout, but larger and better compatibility. It's called the NCASE M1EVO

[@heatnup]

I think people will have no trouble with 4000 series GPUs if the newest rumors are true that the 4080 is 325w TDP. The coolers won't be that big then. Welp…

[@hxpers]

@@NavicNick Thank you so much for letting me know about this case. It looks perfect for my next build.

[@BloonMan137]

@@heatnupaged not the best

[@Lenny4000]

Loved the video like each and everyone of yours. BUT most importantly: MASSIVE CONGRATS to the engagement!!!

[@Am1rTV]

Came to say, congrats on the engagement! All the best :)

[@DeilGrist]

I'm curious if the cooling would be even better on the sandwich layout with taller feet. The bottom vents are pretty restricted.

[@Franciscoxds]

You can use it vertically. They even have a stand for it

[@WINch872]

I'm also curious what performance would be of the reference case if you had a traditional GPU cooler design with side exhaust. And maybe a noctua fan swap to get some better overall airflow

[@moel481]

I have a ghost s1 and the different between the standard feet and some 3d printed feet I have around 3cm in high along with a 25x125 fan set to exhaust my temps dropped around 3 degrees- plus over all case temp had a significant decline.

[@DeilGrist]

@@moel481 That sounds worthwhile to me. Didn't OptimumTech use 3d printed feet on one of the earlier NCASE M1 revisions too?

[@ApplesOfEpicness]

There is some testing on the discord that shows the GPU on top layout is pretty much the best unless you have some long af case feet.

[@joelconolly5574]

The problems with ITX cases is how you'd be changing it quite often since every case seems fine until you think smaller is better. And then you want to get smaller and smaller and whoops now too hot and need a bit larger. The never ending ITX struggle.

[@Lulomo]

it cant really get much smaller than that, it can only go flatter, but longer.

[@mel-ju7kp]

I went through about 5 cases down to a Velka 7 just to go back to the NR200. At least for now until the Dan C4 releases

[@heatnup]

Maybe for some sff enthusiasts but I'm personally fine with what works best, as long as it performs like an atx tower I'll go as small as possible. Since the Formd T1 can fit two rads thats pretty much the limit tbh.

[@BrandNameBullets]

Wow, I didn't come to the comments to be personally attacked...

[@BSEUNHIR]

Q58 is the smallest reasonable choice for a 280 rad so I use that. :) Not a fan of a small, shouty air cooled box.

[@t1995roger10]

I'm so glad you reviewed this version because I recently bought it! It was an experience putting it together but it was so worth it! Thanks for the great vids!

[@rickv5004]

0:30 wtfffffff the size comparison is insane

[@joshb6470]

just looking at the thumbnail of this video allowed my PC case to get loaded with cat hair...

[@Tech.Closet]

Great video, good job!👍

[@ProjectswAlex]

Been waiting for this review. Thank you Optimum Tech!

[@scatterforce]

I'd love to see the classic layout re-tested with a Silver Soul 110 or NH-D9L, intake from the back and exhaust out the side. I wonder the effect on the GPU temps in that config. Great work as always!

[@belema22]

Sweet build and congrats on the engagement!

[@LevelUpYourFandom]

i still absolutely love my Formd T1 V1, going strong for years now. im hoping i can optimize a bit more to get the new 7950 in there

[@leochi]

Actually, you can do the same offsetting you did in the T1 also in the A4-H2O! It comes with stand-offs included to put a 2-slots GPU closer to the side panel. Indeed, I have one with a 3080FE mounted on the 2 outer slots (+ 2 top exhaust fans) and temperatures are the same of the T1 (sandwich). So it's not true that you're forced to GPUs with regular cooler designs 😉

[@tr4nnel752]

Can you, only if you want, please share your thoughts on how much nicer the Formd T1 is compared to the A4-H2O? I'm debating between the two, I feel like the Formd is tiny bit nicer but way more expensive in Europe. Thanks!

[@mikeymaiku]

@@tr4nnel752 to get a formd t1 here to my house in canada is like 600 CAD, my a4 h20 cost me 200 shipped to my door.

[@tr4nnel752]

@@mikeymaiku Thanks for your reply. In Europe not much different. With current exchange rates around 350,- euros vs 150,- for the A4-H2O. Are you happy with your case? How does it look in person? I'm still not sure what to do haha.

[@leochi]

​@@tr4nnel752 I do not own a T1 personally, my thoughts on the temps were based on what Ali showed in the video. Anyways, I'm very happy with the A4-H2O especially if you consider the huge price difference (I'm in Europe and you also need to add custom fees and import taxes here). I'm in a completely air-cooled build, but I'm happy I could switch to a standard size 240 AIO if I wanted to. I also prefer having the power button on the front because I move my build around and it sometimes ends up in small spaces where accessing the back could be a problem. I guess the only advantages of the T1 are the smaller size (if you really need something that small) and the build quality (not that the A4 is bad, but the T1 looks simply un-matchable). FYI my build runs a 3080FE + 5600X, 72C max for the GPU, 76-78 max for the CPU (both slightly undervolted). Cheers!

[@LachlanGB]

Congrats on your engagement!

[@georgemiller1316]

Congrats on the engagement! Maybe I’m behind the curve but this is the first time I’ve heard of it. The only problem is finding a wedding photographer with better camera skills than you.

[@ltmc2h694]

I was waiting for this review so bad! Really excited to watch it now

[@jonhatton-brown]

Thanks for doing an updated review. I brought a T1 when they first came out and been running a 5950x and 3090 ftw3. Recently I had to RMA my GPU and now have a 3080ti founders. I'm seriously thinking about swapping the ek 240 aio I have for the noctua L12S as the temps you show here seem a lot better than I'm getting!

[@phantomflame0658]

On the reference layout your Noctua cooler fan should be pointing the same direction as the T30 beside it. They should both be exhaust (or intake), since what you have now is a feedback loop. No surprise the temps are awful. Great video otherwise, this case is sick

[@thomast6907]

Came to say the same thing, but I think having both as exhaust would be better than both as intakes.

[@phantomflame0658]

@@thomast6907 Agreed. Exhaust the air from the blow-through Nvidia graphics card, and exhaust hot air from of the CPU. My point was that anything is better than recycling hot air!

[@richiegore1]

I think most test show pulling cold air in over a heat sink always wins compared to trying the exhaust hot air and keep the ambient case temp lower. Certainly that’s what Ali’s testing in the NCASE showed and that’s what I have seen in my DAN-A4 and NCASE.

[@optimumtech]

I tried both intake and exhaust, I spent a full day trying to optimise the airflow for that layout and nothing made a significant difference other than the side fan. Setting the C14S to exhaust was only slightly better, but then temps for the CPU were noticeably warmer. It was the worse orientation.

[@Simply_Scott]

@@optimumtech That is peculiar, on the Discord we've got quite a few people with ref builds, and they're not seeing temps this bad. They also saw a marked improvement by setting the c14s fan to exhaust. Did you run your tests with the GPU on the bottom or up top?

[@Leaper1280]

Congrats to the Engagement @Optimum Tech! ♥️

[@clarklindsay2902]

Excellent, as always. Congrats on the engagement, btw!

[@LanceVanceX]

I built in the Formd T1 V1.1 and it’s amazing, 3080ti and 5800x3d. It gets a little toasty, but no compromises with this case.

[@Psyopcyclops]

It’s amazing that you can fit so much power in such a small chassis. And it looks gorgeous too!

[@michaelthompson9798]

After I got my Intel 4th Gen i7-4790K cpu I switched to SFF ITX builds many years ago and never looked back. I love my SFF builds and the sleek versatility of these builds and their ability for easy transportation and compact gaming setups 😍🥰😇👍. My NR200, Skyreach Mini S4, Evolv Shift XT & N-Case M1 make up my collection of mini pc’s 😱

[@wdbaudio]

My new T1-REF titanium arrived today so that's good timing! Upon reviewing your thermal results I may have to buy the optional stand...

[@mopnem]

I’m still pretty darn satisfied with my setup but man this channel makes me want to do a smaller setup so bad lol. His aesthetic matched with this beautiful case is super clean..It’ll have to happen eventually, prob when these prices are fully back to normal/straight up reduced.

[@plasmancer6104]

Pretty much same here, don't have any real reason to downsize and prices don't help. But dammit this channel just makes me want a tiny pc

[@mopnem]

@@plasmancer6104 lol, definitely. Almost every vid he does with an itx case makes me go dammit I want one! lol - This case has to be the most aesthetic yet tho. A liquid cooled itx with (hopefully little sound) just sounds like the move.

[@D_SigGuy]

Dude these builds are crazy and i love them!! and the video is so good keep up the amazing content!!

[@sethbalderson]

With inspiration from your channel over the last 6 months I'm finally doing an itx build. I ordered the coolermaster NR200 Max and I cant wait to get it in and start on it.

[@zoot9917]

hey man, would you consider doing a review of the tecware fusion? It claims to bring matx components to a compact form factor, and seems like a reasonable path to explore small form factor pc builds without the more expensive components

[@HuntaKiller91]

Zzaw c2 is smaller tho

[@muhammadshuhirmohamad4301]

mATX? yes. compact? yes. BUT the Tecware Fusion has so many limitations when built with mATX and even worse if being paired with ATX PSU (since this is the most go-to config for those that wanted to downsize their build from standard mATX/ATX cases) in the end you still need to build with ITX board and SFX PSU in order to get the max potential from Tecware Fusion, but with such config you better just stick with NR200

[@jinliangfoo8546]

It's a bigger NR200 with MATX compatibility and some nifty features like a removable top fan bracket and an included ATX PSU bracket. There isn't much else to say. Using a MATX mobo introduces issues with the bottom fans afaik. If you're using it with ITX mobo and SFX components you have a capable NR200 competitor that is just a hair bigger. I used it for awhile and eventually went back to my NR200 because I didn't need the extra size and wanted a smaller gap between my bottom intake fans and my GPU.

[@zeroqool1]

Have you ever did a review on the Lian Li Air Mini? If not, I would like to see a review on that configuration. Thank you.

[@nhefner]

Ali, your videos are so well made that I always feel the need to sit down and play them on my big screen TV to fully appreciate them 😂. Keep up the great work!

[@gammacyn]

Hey Optimum, I just wanted to thank you for making these videos and putting in the effort of making all these different bu8lds work that you've done. The first ever video of yours I saw was the Liquid Metal worth it? Video, and then saw your skyreach video right after. Ever since then I've been interested in SFF itx PCs, and you've a majority of that influence. So thank you for introducing me to this very interesting hobby, which just might be a little expensive.

[@ElTeeger]

Love the attention to detail. Great video

[@ChrisSmout]

Man I just bought an NR200 this week to upgrade cooling options from an SG13 and now this gorgeous case comes out, excellent video.

[@gamemoves2415]

If you can do a build guide like what you did for the regular edition it would be great.

[@Itshomski]

incredible content man

[@ferrino4145]

That pink coolant looks very nice

[@Airbag888]

Such an underrated channel. Really love the sobre tone and "lack of over the top excited superlatives" that you see everywhere including in thumbnails... Everywhere else: "UNBELIEVABLE IMPOSSIBLE GPU FIT IN TINY TITANIUM CASE" Here: "This seems like the best tiny case"

[@BSBCam]

As always great video! Do you plan to review the Jonsbo VR3? I think it would be an interesting review to compare since it competes with the SSUPD Meshilicious, NZXT H1 v2 and other similar ITX cases. Also I enjoy the charts you usually add comparing all the SFF cases you’ve reviewed. I’m sure your next video will have these. Liked and subscribed!

[@ihaveakrazyheart]

Yo Ali looking out for the water cool build in this new case...keep up the gud work

[@nayanpitlam5621]

was sooo eagerly waiting for this video Amazing content as always Ali!♥

[@tr4nnel752]

Awesome, just awesome. Will definitely put this on my list, nice upgrade from my Silverstone SG13. Looks beautiful.

[@Shieftain]

That oh-so-satisfying sounds at 1:06 and 1:25... **chef's kiss**

[@Peacecamper]

Would love to see a dual 240 radiator build in this beauty. With a comparison to the M1 dual rad build.

[@philipcarmack9321]

because if your vid on the m2k, i worked extra over the summer (im in hs) and bought myself the m2k. keep up the good content!

[@airtrackpad]

Built my T1-ref a couple weeks ago and have been extremely happy with temps and performance @1440p 240hz on a 5950x/c14s/3080 fe after some undervolt tweeks. My pc and my keyboard(wooting60he) are endgame for my gaming time lol^

[@tr4nnel752]

I'm debating between this and the A4-H2O, I assume you also think this case is a class above anything else? I'm trying to justify the hefty premium haha.

[@kingcars]

Still rockin my original T1 from 2020. Still love it.

[@essenceofsias]

As an older T1 owner I have been waiting for this video! Overall I don’t see a need to upgrade, especially after seeing the thermal performance of the reference layout. Cheers mate!

[@EPIKSTER]

optimum tech b roll might be the best on youtube

[@Maktvtvtv]

Whats the Bigger Case in the right side at 9:44 ?

[@adims.88]

Ncase M1

[@kesh6772]

Been waiting for this one! Made me feel a lot better about getting the sw layout for my FE card. Loved the review!

[@michaelmonroe5034]

Just bad ass... so impressed with your take on these itx machines.

[@xuedi]

Perfect case for the DeskPi Super6C mini-ITX cluster boards

[@jannu422]

Really hoping in seeing you build another Meshlicious custom loop but now with dual 280/240mm rads with the iceman pump res combo like the one in your Ncase From what I've seen on the internet, it looks challenging but definitely doable so I'd to see your opinion on this one and maybe even switch from your current setup.... especially with new hardware coming around the corner

[@needsomewater]

congrats on the engagement brother, my first time hearing you have a fiancé

[@yodenss]

Awesome review! Seems quite fair and reasonable, I agree with almost every point. You mentioned the GPU, but have you tried under-volting your 5800X3D? Mine was completely stable with a -30 all core under-volt, which seems common (maybe because of the lower clocks compared to 5800X?). Using this in my SW, I was able to prevent hitting that 90C cap while running Cinebench. It's surprising to me how well the L12S + top exhaust stacks up against the larger C14.

[@BatesonBen]

Great job mate

[@blairchristopher3073]

I love the shot with all 3. T1, A4 and my M1! I’d be nowhere without that thing. I’d love an update video on that thing since that’s where we started!

[@davism131]

Pumped to see another ITX case review!

[@wololo10]

Meshlicious data if someone is wondering: 3080 Ti FE at 69 degrees @ 315W (just 90% power limit, + 175 Mhz on the entire curve), with the 20 mm GPU standoff mod. 13045 Port Royal. Also Cinebench on the 12900K @ 241W keeps at 75-80 degrees with a 240 EK-AIO with T30 fans in negative pressure mode.

[@Averylueck]

The blue light you put out of frame sheds a really nice glow on the case/components. The video quality keeps going up, nice job 👍

[@petarracic6740]

So good to see the changes made on the T1 2.0. As a owner of a T1 1.0 the features are a great adition

[@Andreas01]

Thanks for the review, will be considering these cases for my next buils with Zen 4.

[@garzolar]

Well Ali, you content motivated me so much that I built my own mini-itx case and beat the whole market in terms of small form factor. Keep up the good work, take care.

[@FrotLopOfficial]

Your build has no GPU and relies on just an APU. Thats considered cheating. In fact your build is actually extremely large for an APU build lol

[@garzolar]

@@FrotLopOfficial My build has space for 3 slot PCIE card and up to 310 mm for length. In fact, I'm running a RX 6800XT now.

[@TheGameBench]

The only real downside is being limited to dual slot cards which seem to be going extinct outside the entry level.

[@DrTopLiftDPT]

I like displaying my parts in the fractal meshify C. The vertical space it takes up isn’t going to be used anyway. And I have a 13 inch card

[@thoccky]

My man Ali looking SWOLE AF

[@Unamatrix01]

Fantastic comprehensive review of the Formd T1.

[@isbestlizard]

Finally a use for zen 5's slightly lower power draw - the CPU in both cases was limited by thermals but if zen 5 can run flat out with 20% less power that makes this case practical for a no limits air cooled 9800X3D build once it arrives!

[@MitchGP]

Every time you build an ITX i want to build my own. So clean

[@slartibartfast2649]

Yeah, except I am always put off by the price of good quality ITX mobos...

[@JohnFromAccounting]

If you go for a 12-15 liter case, its quite easy.

[@ToadyEN]

hair is looking slick bro

[@WhiteWolfTech]

Isn't the C14S immediately recirculating the hot air exiting the case from the T30?

[@chrisgg]

Which one looks better in person? The Black or the Titanium? Leaning towards the Titanium but generally always have everything in Black :)

[@maus92]

The elephant in the room is getting the proper motherboard / CPU air cooler combination for this box. I would love, love, love for a reviewer to cover all the options, rather than saying "it's a problem with newer motherboards." I have the T1 Reference version on order and will be attempting to recycle a Ryzen 5800X but I need to figure out the cooler / MB options.

[@Alauz]

That's an awesome look at the Formd T1, I did not know there was a reference layout. It looks like it will benefit the custom 3 fan coolers instead of the reference card's front and back fans which would be partially blocked in that configuration. Can you experiment with a "top-hat" mod with the reference layout with a 4 slot 3090Ti with custom cooler? Because if you are able to do that, I will buy the Formd T1 to build an insane Zen4X3D and 4090 ITX build. It's basically impossible with the standardized ITX cases at the moment.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

I bought the Thorzone Mjolnir which is similar to the Formd. Less customizable, but still very optimised as long as you're careful with what components you buy. Performance is high but not the best. Its the best looking case on the market which is a big selling point.

[@4-0-K]

still rocking my T1 v1.0, and even then the quality was (and still is) amazing

[@fungusguy]

The effort you put into these videos is extraordinary. They are so relaxing and easy to follow. Keep it up :)

[@rushsoccer1355]

Been waiting for this. I bought one a few weeks ago as well.

[@KG_BM]

Ali making a video is the highlight of my youtube experience

[@RowdyReptile]

Completely unrelated but I think you might be interested in checking out fractal designs pop mini air, It's a very 'small' matx case, you'll probably find it interesting

[@Nikolajj88]

Do you want to make a video on the Hyte Revolt 3? I would love to hear what you think of it!

[@poobalu]

Oddly enough, I have the reference case but not a C14s - I’m using an L12S cpu cooler and dual 12x25 fans as exhaust on the side panel. It made a huge difference for GPU temps for me but it’s definitely a weird setup!

[@manfredszorn]

Please, drop some temp.numbers and your setup, thanks!

[@shiftycaps]

I'm definitely interested in seeing your objective thermals. I am currently using an air-cooled v1.1 and have a v2 REF on the way but with the initial builds I have seen, there is plenty of room for thermals to improve esp when compared to Sandwich version.

[@nexorabolis]

I'm still loving my NCase M1 and cant wait to see what that team does next. For my office PC it's a Skyreach 4 Mini, perfect little stealth machine in an office full of massive full towers.

[@millanferende6723]

SilverStone RVZ03 is still my all time favorite! It is the only CONSOLE SIZED case out there, that actually has good air cooling!

[@morganscarpentry]

Hey Ali have you ever checked out the Q58? Just curious on your opinion. Love the video as usual!

[@marijanWS]

Great review Ali …was waiting for this one! I would be interested how an aio would perform in the reference since the radiator block would not allow that hot air gets recycled within the case (like the C4S does). It may just suck in hot air from the gpu from the outside of the case but how much is the question when the gpu is on the top (and not a flow through card)? Would the reference perform better? 🤔

[@Kizzster]

ATX PSU compatible ITX cases should increase in popularity since next gen components will draw more power. I'll be getting a 4090 but with the power spikes a SF750 isn't enough I don't think

[@vicious6744]

I have a request, I searched around about pci-e riser riser cables to see if they add any kind of latency and people pretty much say there very minimal latency but I can never find any actual testing data, also I would like to see if there's any added latency for a PC home theater setup, Like how much latency, if any, is added by connecting your PC>AV receiver>HDTV/monitor. Love your content, keep up the great work!

[@evans3134]

Cool case! Do you plan on doing a review on the new death adder?

[@medowucha]

Other option in the a4-h²o everyone keeps ignoring: Put the radiator in the GPU side, and the GPU on top. Yes, that requires more customization, but 280 mm radiator suddenly become very much a possibility. With regular AIO radiator sizes of 30 mm width + 25 mm fan width, there is still about 1 cm of spacing left. cu, w0lf.

[@bomber6369]

where you put the hard drives

[@Leon-lr3cd]

will there be an water cooled build in the T1?

[@vjn5270]

I'm slowly gathering parts for new build too, except I was planning on super tower 900 case lol. I just cancelled my order and think I will try to go smaller case.

[@lazyreuvin]

OMG The Grail case is back!! Sooooo tempted, and it's available to order?! I think it's best to wait though.... I still love my Ghost S1 and we still don't know how chonky those 4000 series cards might get...