OPTION-O LAGOM MINI - First Impressions ($320 Zero Retention Grinder?)

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[@bryanbischof4351]

“When hand grinding you’re not grinding at 1200rpm”. Do you doubt me, Kyle?

[@sixstringedwithabowl]

I'm so happy to see more single dose options, I feel like I'm crazy when I'm shopping and looking at all these huge hoppers, as if I would ever pour a whole pound of coffee in and let it sit to get stale.

[@KyleRowsell]

It's great to see!

[@vancitycanucks]

Kind of depends on how much coffee you go through and how quickly, no? I go through a 300g bag within 5 days (coffee for 2 people while WFH). I think single dose is a bit of a fad for single people, or marriages with one coffee lover.

[@tehwulf4291]

@@vancitycanucks if that's the target market for single dose, I'd hardly say it's a fad given how large of a market that is. Plus anyone who likes nice coffee and wants to keep it fresh doesn't pour it all in the hopper and lets it sit anyways.

[@NoZenith]

@@tehwulf4291 Especially with how many don't even have UV filters let alone tinting on the hopper to reduce UV degradation

[@danrotwein8079]

Kyle, love your and the positive energy you bring to the coffee world and this channel! Thank you!

[@KyleRowsell]

My pleasure. Thanks for watching Dan!

[@danrotwein8079]

@@KyleRowsell recommendation for espresso beans for a newbie to the espresso world?

[@brianherman503]

Dan, I buy from my favorite local coffee houses. Many will sell you their beans, often at great value. This gives you a chance to grab beans you know you'll love and you support a local business.

[@Coffee-Comrade]

Your excitement and passion are infectious in the best way. Thanks for always producing such wonderful upbeat content. The grinder looks very interesting, especially at this price point. Stepless, single dose, zero retention, and rechargeable at that price is just a steal imo. Although I do worry only about longevity in regards to part quality, but I also have faith in Option-O based on their other gear.

[@xllvr]

I keep missing these lives lol. But it's always amazing how good these lives are that I always think they're normal videos because the quality is 👌

[@KyleRowsell]

Ah man. This means the world. I was a little flustered that I forgot the scale there - but we will continue to improve.

[@ibrhyme]

Great excitement! I also appreciate the awareness about caffeine. I wish every roaster makes at least a couple of very good decaf beens. The idea behind this grinder is great. And I think we should start seeing hybrid grinders from each good producer, that we can use with or without electricity.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching! And I agree - and hope this is true.

[@ronr9423]

Love the jazz in the background. Btw - Love, love, love the Ode I bought in part thanks to your review

[@KyleRowsell]

Stoked to hear it! 😁

[@SY-mv8zj]

I have been using the 48mm version for a while and it works perfectly even for espresso. I think the coffee profile is slightly differently from C40 as far as I can tell, producing a smoother/more-balanced cup comparing to a crisp clean one from C40. Looking forward to your opinion on this :) Their customer service is also amazing btw. I had some questions before and got response in a day! Really amazing grinder and amazing company.

[@davidbaker1482]

Hope to see the full review soon!

[@KyleRowsell]

Soon!

[@VickiStokes]

Getting a good grinder was the best advice ever given to me. Changed my coffee game. Love these reviews. I have a Baratza Encore and it's not bad.

[@knguros9415]

Damn I missed this! But now I’m excited about the 48mm and you the espresso experience with this. Thanks Kyle!

[@KyleRowsell]

More to come.

[@sebaba001]

Great stuff. I really like reviews of equipment that have little to no reviews. I've been eyeing this thing for a while. Urbanic 080 also un my sight. Kingrinder K3, Feld knock 47, brewista X hand grinder.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad I can provide value!

[@sebaba001]

@@KyleRowsell of course! Thanks !

[@project86xero]

Love my k-plus. First grinder I ever bought.

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s a wonderful grinder, isn’t it?

[@MrDschaen]

Uuuuh wish this were an option when I decided to back the ARCO on Kickstarter! Absolutely in love with the design of the Option-Os, the P64 is definitely on my upgrade-path plan!!

[@KyleRowsell]

I’m sure the arco will also be great!

[@Chief_of_Beef]

Love the live videos! Hope they stick around

[@KyleRowsell]

That's the plan!

[@adamycfu]

Thank you for the comprehensive clip! I just got the same one in matte black. What is the grind setting for V60? Thank you!

[@moryalex]

Thanks for the amazing video as usual 😀, I'm seeking your advice, I already have 1zpresso k-plus using only for filter, is it valuable to buy lagom mini for filter? Any better result than k-plus?

[@eddielee9486]

Cool looking design! Thank you for demonstrating this cool grinder. Have you looked into reviewing a Kingrinder? They seem to have some very affordable 48mm handgrinders with the K4 & K6 looking similar to a J-pro or K-Plus.

[@reddboone122989]

Would love to have some feed back as well. I own the k4 and brew espresso and v60.

[@sebaba001]

I saw a Review which said K3 was the easiest grinder for espresso they had tried, from a guy that reviews many hand grinders. Also decent filter taste. Pretty impressive for 120 bucks.

[@KyleRowsell]

I have seen the kingrinder. At this point I don't have a video planned - but possibly in the future

[@lancemoore3867]

Super interested in the full review of this

[@KyleRowsell]

I’m excited to share more!

[@r1cky068114123]

Can't wait to see cupping comparison between Obsidian and C40

[@Btrl8thnNvr]

Drinking the regalia gift set. 3 really nice coffees!

[@AlejandroPDX]

Sounds like you got amazing grinders on the way!!! Weber! Eureka single dose?? Can’t wait for your reviews

[@KyleRowsell]

Too many. Here to help the masses!

[@gregyoshida4466]

Thought it was funny how you knocked the machine with the metal cup right after talking about wear and tear haha

[@robertdickens1975]

Fellow Ontario checking in. I want to say thanks for your content, been helpful stepping up my game and trying to brew better coffee. This Friday I’m heading over to IDrinkCoffee to upgrade my espresso setup. Magister Stella Pro and Eureka Facile or Eureka Specialita I still can’t decide which one is better for me.

[@KyleRowsell]

Tell Slawek and the team that Kyle says hi!

[@freezingsunbreaka]

@@KyleRowsell Yeah, they're the best!!!

[@freezingsunbreaka]

Tell Elyse and the team that Jason says hi!

[@beaniemac83]

Hi Kyle does it create much static and therefore leave much retention behind in the grinder and catching cup?

[@thenakedbarista9953]

Ok you have convinced me! Hahaha love it Kyle

[@KyleRowsell]

Didn’t take much eh? Not even a review 😅

[@thenakedbarista9953]

@@KyleRowsell I saw that twinkle in your eye and I knew you were excited about this product 😍 that's enough to convince me 😂

[@reddboone122989]

How do you think the timemore 123 go compares to this? They're seem to be comparable in terms of the intention and design.

[@collinmcdaniel5683]

Thanks for the video coffee daddy

[@KyleRowsell]

You’re welcome 😉

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I had a cheap ceramic burr hand grinder that was stepless, basically you just tighten or loosen a nut :p Stepless or stepped isn't necessarily good or bad. It depends more on the grinder itself, on how large the steps are. I think stepped is fine on something like a Baratza Vario where the steps are so tiny it barely makes a difference :D I'm sure other grinders with small adjustments are the same like 1zpresso J Max. Stepped usually makes it a bit easier to go back and forth between settings.

[@KyleRowsell]

Sure. That’s fine, But this isn’t worth debating if the step-less is as quality as the lagom mini’s is. There’s no argument when stepped would be better in this regard.

[@GabrielGGabGattringer]

I love the design of the Lagom Mini! I didn´t know that it runs at such low RPM. Thought it would be as fast as competition (Niche Zero, Baratza Encore, etc). It´s pretty interesting that 1Zpresso K-PLUS looks thick against this Lagom Mini.

[@KyleRowsell]

It makes sense - as I shared the burrs are designed with hand grinders in mind.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

If you already have a kplus or similar high end hand grinder I don't think this is going to be better, especially with the smaller burr option, Although you do gain the motor if you don't like hand grinding.

[@morphmkd]

Hmm now I am considering replacing my Eureka Mignon for this one with the obsydian burr set. Mainly because it has so small footprint and I can bring it everywhere I want while I am traveling and because I am starting with filter as brew method and wanted to buy hand grinder since the mignon is a bit eh when it comes to filter. Another great video Kyle, bringing cheer in the Christmas spirit with your good vids!

[@KyleRowsell]

I’d hold off until I can confirm it can do espresso. If not a need - it could be a better option.

[@morphmkd]

@@KyleRowsell Definitely will wait for your full review. But I am pretty sure it can make a decent espresso for the money.

[@zakariyyagardee8934]

Would absolutely know how this grinder compares to the Comandante for filter coffee.

[@KyleRowsell]

I will possibly compare the c40 to the obsidian burr model.

[@shahshek3737]

quick question, is the grinder capable to grind more than 20 shot of espresso per day?

[@robertnordeen4631]

I have a hand grinder from Java Press $36. That holds 1.25 oz of beans. Burr grinder with adjustable knob spring in it with knoctches as you turn it on the bottom. Medium roast beans from Africa . boy are they hard. 50rpm. For Christmas I got a bag of Cappuccino blend. Gees it's like grinding air. 80 rpm lol. My coffee machine is a Bunn one cup pour over. Pretty hot at 200°f. A minute to grind , a minute to pour over , sip it man. No waiting. Guess I'm impatient for your wet the filter ,dump water, pour... Hey did you rinse down all that foamy coffee in your filter as you poured over ? What they call the the creme? Wow $300ish for a grinder. Is it static free? Unlike plastic on my Cuisinart 1/2lb grinder. Lost count on how many 40lb bags of beans ,till the grinder flew apart lol! Then JB weld the bean funnel back together an kept grinding. Retired that to hand grinding. Bean alot of fun. Still!

[@MrAfog567]

lemmmeee see them reviews brooo!!!!

[@KyleRowsell]

WORKING on it 😅

[@MrAfog567]

@@KyleRowsell honestly bro, your the most fun and interesting person I've watched so far when it comes to coffee videos, sick ass reviews💪🏼. I just started my coffee journey 2 months ago, and u keep it fun for me🙂💪🏼

[@KyleRowsell]

@@MrAfog567 WOW. This means the world. Thanks friend!

[@MrAfog567]

@@KyleRowsellNo, thank you Kyle!!! Don't ever stop making videos please😅💪🏼

[@renatorfr]

Excited to see your review about this grinder. The question that I have is, if I already have a good hand grinder, Comandante C40 for exemple, does it worth to replace it for this electrical grinder?

[@KyleRowsell]

I believe that’s a question only u can answer!

[@renatorfr]

@@KyleRowsell just waiting your review to make this decision 😅 If you want, could you talk a little about what you would expect for the version with 48mm burrs of this grinder? It's more expensive but this could give enough difference in flavor profile that worth to have both, my manual grinder and the Lagom Mini :) Thanks for the amazing videos!

[@colinhong2134]

How does the 48mm compared to the Fellow Ode?

[@zacharykashman2086]

I'm super curious about the espresso potential and comparing it the niche. I use the remi hand grinder at the moment for espresso and it's been great but it's an espresso specific burr set.

[@KyleRowsell]

Hey! This uses the same burr as the remi. It’s not an espresso burr fyi. It’s a MP 38mm conical.

[@andrewsharp3747]

Good grinder recommendations for cupping coffees? Getting into roasting and we are putting together a cupping table, I know the EK is great but that’s a little out of our price range

[@KyleRowsell]

This is a great little grinder for that - no doubt.

[@tippykaffu4047]

I would recommend Comandante. Its the best handgrinder in the market IMO. I think it might be the grinder with the least fines in the market. In the same price range, you have a super modded electric grinders that you can buy an SSP burrs with. Going more expensive, you have the mahlkonig home series in the 700-800usd price range. Going cheaper, you have 1zpresso K series. Even cheaper, you can go for J-series 1zpresso and timemore.

[@bush84]

Thanks

[@bush84]

Your sound is great

[@KevinS-ji6en]

For your review. Is this a upgrade over the encore? Compare it to the fellow ode?

[@KyleRowsell]

I’ll keep these questions in mind

[@frjfsiuojrsdug]

"A hand grinder with a motor". The best kind of hand grinder.

[@vincentpelletier1246]

Love your videos! Would appreciate canadian prices though... it is not under 400$ in Canada.

[@KyleRowsell]

I’d love to share Canadian prices. It’s honestly more work for me to share usd. Unfortunately I have to adjust as my largest audience is USA and international. Not canada.

[@vincentpelletier1246]

@@KyleRowsell Would be well appreciated if you'd snuck them somewhere after usd then :)! Really appreciate the answer by the way!

[@johanneslaudi6184]

Just got a washed process commodity grade coffee from indonesia (West Java, Mount Halu) unsurprisingly not as complex as other coffee that i've tasted. But $2.80 for a 200g bag of coffee, its a very acceptable cup of coffee and pretty tasty 👌

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for sharing!

[@braxtonjens7839]

El Salvador Loma La Gloria. So good. 22/365 blue bottle dripper. I’ve been seriously looking at the mini.

[@kcm9058]

Gay bois unite

[@dzzyss9235]

Interested to know whether you would compare this to the Arco Grinder from Goat Story, seeing that it has similar size. Both with conical burrs.

[@KyleRowsell]

Totally!

[@c0mbat15]

I'm not sure you can compare them because no one has received their Arco grinders yet.

[@stevenaguilar1191]

Nice watch mate and can’t wait for the full review!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching! Stay tuned!

[@hanswurst5810]

I noticed the dosing cup magnets got stuck to the scale. Is that going to mess up the scale over time?

[@KyleRowsell]

I don’t believe so. Depends on your scale. Mine is metal.

[@andreavon3551]

I always miss the live, anyway this is really interesting I was actually looking at purchasing the C40 when I saw the Lagom mini, I am still on the fence, no rush for me since I am quite happy with my Niche and I also have a C2 that I like for pour. So I will be watching your upcoming review with great interest. Keep up the great work, and we can see that your sensitive to caffeine 🤣 But it’s all good 👍

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks friend! Review soon!! Be sure to turn on notifications!

[@tippykaffu4047]

I have my Comandante mk3 which is probably my first and last hand grinder. I dont need any other grinder for my pour over

[@KyleRowsell]

C40 is fantastic!

[@tippykaffu4047]

@@KyleRowsell well I had a choice. You made me chose the c40 because of the grinder comparison video.

[@amanbeerkhanduja6490]

How would you think this pairs up with a Flair for a semi-portable setup?

[@mike216514]

With the Flair Pro 2 or similar thing, I think it’s a nice pair in a suitcase size. For even smaller footprint, I’d say 1zpresso Jxpro with Wacaco Picopresso.

[@bjdklooster]

Searching for a single dose grinder for the Cafelat Robot. Would this be the best match?

[@KyleRowsell]

Possibly. Wait for the review

[@chrislange1354]

What watch do you have in this video. I know its not coffee related but I am curious.

[@KyleRowsell]

Gshock GA2100

[@darylfortney8081]

Curious to compare to WeberWorkshop Key grinder

[@KyleRowsell]

Yes!! Can’t wait to dive into it 🙌

[@wakeawaken430]

I didn't see the video yet but because you asked, the sound is fine as quality but not as gain, it's a little bit low As you got closer to the mic at 4:14 the sound was much better

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks! I’ll continue to adjust for future lives

[@benmorgan5511]

Do you think this would work well with the Pro 2? It looks too good to be true!

[@KyleRowsell]

I'll share more thoughts in the review!

[@Alexander-gd1bs]

Kyle it just became available again. Nee the answer to just one question, is it good for pour over??? Chemex, V60!?? I gotta know so I can order!

[@KyleRowsell]

Hey Alexander. I’m sorry I wish I could give you a clear answer over a comment but it’s deeper than a yes or no - but don’t rush a purchase, they will become available again very soon if you miss this one

[@biggydrink]

I know it's obviously meant to be single dose, but does the zero retention seem accurate to you so far?

[@KyleRowsell]

So far so good. More in the review!

[@mixeddrinks8100]

I don't know.. seems affordable but it is essentially a small motor with a manual grinder burr set that is already established. That motor sounds like a 20 dollar spice blade grinder

[@KyleRowsell]

Fair thoughts! I will say - looks don’t fully do justice to the quality of this grinder

[@tommihommi1]

It's a BLDC.

[@lumingyin419]

@@tommihommi1 How do you know?

[@FedeBerri96]

Quick question. Best electric grinder under 100$?

[@KyleRowsell]

It doesn’t exist. Sorry friend

[@hushy9695]

Black Option-O is on its way!

[@KyleRowsell]

Matte black is 👌🏼

[@raykellysiler8759]

Great live review! This looks like a perfect travel grinder/guest space grinder. An upgrade for the hand grinding option at a moderate price.

[@mrbbm2000]

Wow. Timemore and 1zpresso have same burr set? I remember your hand grinder video where you point out same burr in timemore and others, but don’t recall 1zpresso being one of them… did I miss something?

[@KyleRowsell]

I think you misheard. There’s a 38mm and 48mm (timemore burr and a 1zpresso burr model). But I’m asking - who’s making these burrs. As the grinder manufacturers aren’t.

[@mrbbm2000]

Well you asked who makes burrs for timemore and 1zpresso, so at least I thought you were hinting that it’s from a same company? It is super intriguing and I definitely would love to know, but where did that idea come from?

[@kalval8777]

Love this first impression. Could you also share on experience for this with espresso grinds? With the 38mm conical burrs I would think it’s hard for espresso

[@KyleRowsell]

I will share more in the review.

[@DriftaholiC]

I don't think that step less is a bonus. If you have a small step like the 8.8micron of the J-Max then stepped is more precise and repeatable.

[@KyleRowsell]

Possibly… but 8 microns is very indistinguishable. I’d argue excessive

[@daveraysberg7478]

This is you on DECAF?!? Lol! Good thing you didn't go with ful-caf! 😂 Great video though! Thank you! 🙏

[@KyleRowsell]

Sometimes I have to remind myself - coffee people are chill and like to listen to Lofi. HA. Anyways - thanks for watching!

[@rootregis]

How does it compare to Ode?

[@tippykaffu4047]

Ode grinder is a horrible grinder so dont waste your time

[@shaunkhan9049]

After spending days researching grinders, I hit "buy" on one literally 4 hours before you posted this. Looks like this is exactly what I was looking for too. I even use a C40 currently! Gonna try to cancel my order and jump on the waiting list for this.

[@KyleRowsell]

Which grinder did you buy?

[@Shaun32887]

@@KyleRowsellWent with the Ode. It will mostly be used for my Aeropress (which I think is really forgiving when it comes to grind), which is the brew method I use when I'm working or studying and don't want to take time away to hyper-focus on a brew. It's replacing a Bodum Bistro, so it's still an improvement. I can always upgrade it when they release the new burr set, or get the SSPs in the mean time if the wait is too long and the grind is too coarse. I didn't want something too nice since this one will live on an aircraft carrier for a while. The small footprint and lack of a large hopper also work well here. For pourovers and 9barista shots, I still have my C40. This one looks pretty awesome though, right around the price point I want, grinds for pourover, small footprint, simplified interface...

[@ZubinSaxena]

Post the review soon mate!! My niche ships in Jan, maybe I’ll have to cancel it.. 😅

[@KyleRowsell]

I’ll do my best. I want to ensure a quality review and avoid rushing the process.

[@ZubinSaxena]

@@KyleRowsell No rush! You make quality content, keep at it 👍🏽

[@BariSaxGod25]

That grinder looks like a Minecraft villager

[@KyleRowsell]

This comment wins.

[@ronr9423]

That’s definitely quieter than the first version, but still slow to grind.

[@KyleRowsell]

Pretty quiet - very slow

[@tommihommi1]

the version with 48mm burr is a lot faster, but 55 bux extra.

[@AnotherAyushRaj]

Missed the stream again -_-

[@KyleRowsell]

There will be plenty more!

[@orenshlo]

I started my coffee journeys 21 years ago with the Jura Subito (or Capresso Ultima) and a modest Heartware flat burr grinder. 10 years ago it faded out (was working so hard I didn't have the 10 minutes free to make my perfect Latte, so it was all or nothing, and nothing - won). I was dialing espresso before KZbin existed (grinder, puck pressure, brew time, different beans like: Kenya, Brazil, Columbia, Ethiopia, Guatemala.... and the amazing Jamaica Blue Mountain), and now after so many years with Jacobs Instant Coffee (remember... all or nothing) I happen to have found this channel.... I want to go back... I want to dial back my coffee. And I decided to try to revive my 2nd Jura Subito (stored at my work place, which I have not visited for more than 2 years). Stay tuned... I will report my progress.

[@albinosquirlz]

My ek43 could grind that grinder faster than that grinder can grind a few coffee beans. Seriously though.....I'm impressed. Might buy one with it's travel bag simply for traveling.

[@abuabdalaziz]

Rancabali (Indonesian ) arabica Kenyan process. Light roast.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for sharing!

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

Washed process from Huehuetenango Guatemala Washed process Chiroso Variety (yum) from Columbia Decaf natural Brazil primavera

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for sharing!

[@DarkEnigma1115]

Not able to watch live, since it's on the same time as Timcast is.

[@KyleRowsell]

All good! That’s the best part of how these work… if you miss it, it gets posted to the feed!

[@RabeaAbid]

u need 4k camera

[@KyleRowsell]

Oh I have one. Live streaming doesn’t allow for streaming in 4K unfortunately.

[@marvanderson8178]

Milk based

[@liamharper1123]

now its sold out haha

[@KyleRowsell]

That tends to happen with quality products and videos promoting it like these. Sorry friend.

[@tommihommi1]

Timemore makes the Timemore burrset.

[@KyleRowsell]

Nope, they do not! It’s a Chinese company based on Alli express. We located it after this video

[@c0mbat15]

@@KyleRowsell Hi Kyle, just to confirm then, are you saying that this Lagom Mini uses the same burrset as the Timemore C2 Chestnut and therefore the Lagom Mini burrset is Chinese and from Aliexpress? And does the Lagom Mini therefore produce grinds very similar to the Timemore C2 Chestnut?

[@KyleRowsell]

@@c0mbat15 I’m saying that the burr set on this 38mm lagom mini is produced from a company called great full industrial. That create burrs - and both of these grinders use it. Yes - they have similar results. The 48mm version I reviewed is the way to go in my opinion.

[@nhayes927]

Not to be a stick in the mud and this could just be a lemon, but this guys experience with the lagom mini 48 mm for espresso is not good. Theres a thread on home barista. Heres a clip kzbin.info/www/bejne/apDPfpeuYrumecU

[@FlavorTrends]

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[@Douglaskyle9191]

Sadly Prima coffee is having a field day with the price of the P64. They are making a lot of money controlling the supply and selling those grinders well above the cost from manufacturer.

[@KyleRowsell]

Cafune from canada also sells it.

[@trubadyr99]

Likable guy. He knows that and uses this in his work. Nothing is wrong with that as long as he is not twisting facts in his favor. And it seems that he is not.

[@KyleRowsell]

informercials? If that’s how you feel my friend then don’t watch. I’ll always been 100% honest with my audience and always have been. Why would I twist in my favour? How would I have favour in talking positively or negatively about a coffee grinder? I have no affiliation with option-o nor do I care what they think of me. Have a nice day. 🙂

[@j2r7]

just make a regular video, this is too long to watch after the live…

[@KyleRowsell]

Than don’t watch. 👍🏼 it seems many do enjoy the lives! Especially for reaction ect. But don’t fret - the review will be recorded.