Orange Tremlord 30 vs Marshall DSL20CR: An Obvious Winner?

[@DrewsDrumTracks]

That there is one good looking drummer! 🤪

[@poesybeat]

Man, hearing the amp in a three piece is so much more useful than hearing it by itself. Context is everything. Great job!

[@gawydion]

guitarsts: tone is in the fingers bassists: tone is in the face

[@arturohernandez3324]

😂😂😂😂👍👍👍

[@notplaying2379]

Strange amps to compare, an Orange Rocker 15 or 32 would be a better comparison. The Tremlord is a clean 50s style amp.

[@hailmaryrecordings8255]

It is? Like a Fender tone? I’ve never played through an Orange actually, but I’m shopping P.S. I had this Marshall and my cousin stole it & sold it for drugs. That was my home-amp & I must replace it with … something. I was thinking a Vox.

[@KozmykJ]

One thing I'm wondering about. There's a switch in the back that selects between 4 valves and 2 valves ... what if ?? It's not like Orange to let a 'wimp' go out the door even if it's clean departure from their signature sound.

[@intheblues]

Clean channel vs Clean channel. It's pretty simple. The fact they are similar sizes physically and have 12" speakers means they are pretty similar.

[@sethl1588]

@@intheblues That amp is not meant to get dirty. The Marshall is, even the clean channel. The Orange is missing a gain stage or 2. They're just not comparable amps.

[@Newnodrogbob]

@@sethl1588 We can quibble about whether truly clean amps can get good dirt from pedals, and whatnot, but it's a moot point. You're not wrong, but I'd be more worried about it if this were a general gear review channel. But the channel is "in the blues" and his gear focus is on live blues rigs. I mean, it may not be a big newsflash to those in the know about Orange's amp range, but it's not wrong to say that this isn't the best amp for a live blues rig...at least not in a standard configuration. I don't think modern folk fingerstyle guitarists are going to suddenly flock to Marshall DSL amps because In the Blues said they were better, ya know? My only gripe is that he keeps talking about the clean channel on both amps, and I always feel like "clean channel" should be in quotes for Marshall amps😂...and a lot of Oranges, really. But clearly not this one....

[@5MinuteMusic]

Man, great video! Thank you for all the hard work that went into this video!

[@MrMojabo]

I replaced my 70/80 in my Monoprice 15 after playing it for a year, with a Celestion G12H 30Watt 70th Anniversary. I didnt believe a different speaker would be that drastic of a difference. So that is something else I was wrong about. Setting the EQ and playing it now is like singing with harmony . Amazing how hooked into that 70/80 I was. But the switch was over the top dramatic.

[@jamesf2918]

I know I’m biased because I just bought an orange, but I do think that it sounded nicer in the mix. Which is not to say the Marshall didn’t sound great. I bet they would sound amazing together running at the same time.

[@BigSifu67]

Hey Shane! I picked up a DSL20cr today, thanks for showcasing this, it helped a lot!

[@jeffvargo1068]

I own the DSL20HR and the DSL40CR because of In The Blues .....and I couldn’t be happier......thanks Shane

[@aydenwhite3395]

is the 20 gig worthy ?

[@p_mouse8676]

Although the difference in power (wattage) doesn't make a big difference, they could've used a speaker that's a lot more sensitive. It's even possible to make a 15W amp as loud as a 30W amp that way.

[@p_mouse8676]

@@JosephX74 that's not correct, the increase in loudness can be calculated with 10*log(dP). We're dP is the difference in power. So doubling the power will give a 3dB increase. 150W will give 10*log(150/15)=10dB increase compared to a 15W amplifier.

[@joeykelly5642]

The Tremlord 30 is a weird amp in Orange’s range. It’s supposed to be more focused on clean tones. This is a really strange comparison…

[@intheblues]

Both of these amps are similar size, they have clean channels to be used with pedals, same speaker size etc. It makes sense but if it doesn't make sense to you all good.

[@nickk8650]

@@intheblues I think Joey just means in terms of circuitry the orange is meant to be quite mid scooped and made for sparkling cleans while the Marshall is packed full of mids that sound smooth and full with distortion

[@waltberger7885]

@@nickk8650 Exactly. Also the speaker (doesnt matter the size) handles like 200watts to maintain headroom. I own a Tremlord and I love it, If your a Fender fan try this amp out. I use mine with my Twin Reverb onstage and these two amps are great together.

[@Mr.D34]

I'm a big Orange fan and from what i hear here Marshall sounds better. I think it's a matter of playing styles and preferred sounds. Marshall clearly just suits better your style. I personally would go with Orange because i love that dark, fuzzy and haunting Orange sound. Honestly i think that the tremolo makes it even better.

[@tiptizlode4995]

I bought the 20CR after watching this. You are right it is a beast. I have a DSL15 which is good for background rhythm tone. The DSL 20 is a lot louder, more punch, a more present front stage sound, ideal for lead and solo phrases. Thank you, great review ..... 🙂

[@f33fifofum]

Marshall probably sounded more polished in the middle but didn't exactly hate the Tremlord

[@tuberoast]

I have the DSL20CR, I'm lukewarm about it's overdriven sounds plugged in directly, slightly rough sounding, but when I put a Timmy pedal in the loop it sounds just wonderful.

[@jamiebriggs8277]

I've never heard of the tremlord. I have used a few Orange amps, and while they tend to be an overall darker sound, and tend to a bit of early breakup, they can generally put out a fairly chimey top end (mostly) clean sound as well. I'd be curious to see you try one of the Origin series, or a rockerverb, and see if you have the same experience

[@jamiebriggs8277]

I'd also be really curious to see maybe a guest spot...bring someone on who's an Orange user, and contrast how they use the amp, and what kind of sound they go for with it. The difference here is definitely huge and clear, but with so many Orange users out there, I think it'd benefit everyone to see more (I know that's probably easier said than done, but it would be a great video)

[@wayne1142zx]

Orange amp reminiscent of Almond Brothers tone. I prefer it it over modern sound.

[@informedcarpet]

Almond ahahaha

[@DLaronsView]

Bought the Marshall DSL40 with the 20w wattage reduction option instead of the DSL20 and SOO glad I did! Love it!

[@MrTroy808]

They both sounded great. Perhaps the Orange could use a different speaker to give it a bit more muscle.

[@KozmykJ]

Nice sounds coming from that Harley Benton bass that Dr. Ric was using. 👍

[@georgesuarez1949]

Very nice playing Love these videos

[@TheJuggernautv2]

I have the DSL40 and highly recommend it. The sound is just huge at any volume, and you can attenuate down to 20-watts.

[@cyrusmanasseh-drspontaneouspro]

Marshall sounded fuller but maybe not better - maybe more stereotyped nothing wrong with that....but Orange has a very different and more interesting sound just less full - very nice playing and presentation - great bass and drums as well as lovely guitar playing for sure - great looking video ! Thanks

[@tiptizlode4995]

I have the Marshall DSL15C, which is the previous version of the 20C, and I love it, it is a beast. Huge sound for such a small box 🙂

[@notplaying2379]

Are you sure that the Orange wasn't switched to low power mode, there are 30, 15, 2 and 1 watt output modes. 15 watt mode is selected by switching off two output valves, 2 and 1 watt are selected by using the bedroom/headroom switch. It just seems very unlikely that an Orange would be anything but loud as f***.

[@dawoud8013]

@ 3:30 🤤🤤🤤 what a sound and playing ! i love that tone ! the Orange is great ! perfect polished rock sound, but the the Marshall is a bit more dirty and agressive, i prefer !

[@BoomaBendz]

I thought they both sounded good. Somehow though I don't think the average person considering a Marshall DSL is gonna be interested in a single channel non-master vol amp. Probably a Rocker 15 would be a more likely alternative.

[@jrvieira1688]

Hello Shane, thank you for the review, very informative. what are your thoughts of the marshall dsl20 for small gigs, do you think it will do the job. many thanks in advance. keep up the good work

[@stephenkennedy7347]

Is the Tremlord 30 typical for an Orange amp. I don't know... don't really want to know but maybe it's a question that needs to be answered.

[@benjaminfowler4513]

It's so far from what every other orange is.

[@portuguesebeer5069]

Nice vídeo! Great rock! Do you think the DSL20 its ok to play in a metal band and to play live? Cheers from Portugal 🤘🍺🇵🇹

[@jwilmoth2331]

Great video. What kind of wah is he using?

[@intheblues]

It's a Dunlop GCB-95F. :)

[@ryanteacher8134]

This is just my opinion, but I never "got" Orange amps. Like, I'm not even sure what they are supposed to sound like, if that makes sense? I've never been blown away when using one.

[@mikejones-vd3fg]

Not a fair comparison, your tone fingers are muddying the results, they both sound great.

[@MrChevyMoe]

I also have a DSL20 but have not sounded that good out of it yet. What settings do you recomend

[@Newnodrogbob]

I didn't mind the sound of the orange in the mix. Sounded good. The Marshall got dirtier, and I'll have to take Shane's word that it was much louder in the room, because I'm not hearing that big a difference in the recording...

[@shauncrissc]

You wouldn't say that about some of the amps built in England..I had a Hi Watt 30 that was a growling beast..that combo was bout 35 years ago with Cel 30 im with u in the Marshall And i bit late here i have just got a Dsl 20

[@intheblues]

Check them out here: ► Sweetwater - imp.i114863.net/95yde ► Thomann - bit.ly/3jM7T9A ► Sky Music - alnk.to/6bP2zef 0:00 - Intro 1:25 - Orange Tremlord 30 3:13 - Marshall DSL20CR 5:45 - Overview

[@preciseaudioblog]

Hi! Very nice video... For your ears, can you get a thick clean sound with the Dsl20/Dsl40? Thank you

[@philiplyon938]

Agreed Shane. the DSL wipes the floor with the Orange - sounds like the hiss / noise issues of the 2018 models is finally sorted out too. Your playing and sound are both as ever toneful and tasteful as if telling a story rather than talking all night and saying nothing as many fretboard speed freaks tend to do. May I ask which overdrive pedal and wah you were using - both really compliment the Marshall's core tone very well.

[@cass2771]

Yeh, I preferred the sound of the Marshall in the vid. Thanks for the demo.

[@sethl1588]

Now that I think about it, there is a video where Dr. Rick is playing an Orange TH30 and you're playing that Marshall and the Orange kicked it to the curb.

[@DrewsDrumTracks]

Dr Rick does have volume in his fingers though!

[@sethl1588]

@@DrewsDrumTracks There is that.

[@TheVanSG]

I’m a big fan of my Marshall DSL20CR! Great tones! Unfortunately I got one of the very first one and the FX loop is defective… I sent it back and they returned it but it seems it could not be fixed…

[@fredmuloin1545]

Marshall all the way. I miss my DSL20CCR... Maybe it's time to buy it again. 🤔 BTW, good jam guys. ;)

[@martincloutier666]

Same for me. Upgraded it with a Greenback and loved it. I wake at night asking myself why I sold it 🙁

[@fredmuloin1545]

@@martincloutier666 i sold it for a Boogie RectoVerb 25 Combo. But now i think I need both. 😬

[@benharper4942]

Might get one as a first tube amp😏

[@jamesmoses4066]

@@martincloutier666 I just bought a creamback h75 for mine today, it arrives tomorrow 😀

[@firstnamenonapplicable5138]

I love marshall but I don't think it just flat out beat the orange, I think there's something to be appreciated in both

[@the-LeoKnightus]

In that setting with a humbucking guitar and some overdrive, they both sound good. I might give a slight nod to the Marshall...That tone is just so familiar.

[@anthonyward8587]

Big Marshall fan, good to hear the sound of the 20-watt version with the 'V'.

[@markmullins2756]

Ok....what amp are you playing at 4:17

[@intheblues]

Check the timestamps or watch the video, I put the amps on screen as well.

[@DMSProduktions]

I liked both, but the Marshall was cleaer for sure. I think think the Tremlord is let down BY the speaker! Don't forget this is a CHINESE Orange, and the speaker, (Lavoce) is allegedly Italian made! It's most likely too dark to really make that chimey clean amp!

[@iduncanw]

Love the Marshall, tried one a few weeks ago and instantly had a tone I liked. Just don't have room in my house for another amp as my music area is pretty small.

[@speedunknown]

How do you rate the Marshall dsl 20 up against the dsl 40?

[@fordsrestorations970]

Of course they flying V is going to resonate better with the Marshall , yeah the Stratocaster would sound better with the orange. I still haven't decided which one I'm going to buy yet.

[@westmus]

As a guy who don't play any instuments, then the Orange gave I my ears the band/mix a more interesting sound. It had a little edge of something unpolished... some may call it rock'n'roll. When things gets to perfect and polished they often gets a little boring.

[@BigSifu67]

Would you consider reviewing the Blackstar HT20 combo?

[@scottreynolds6317]

Another great vid 👍!!! The playing was awesome and that Marshall rocked!!!

[@Zozo-ko9dk]

Should I go for marshall dsl20cr or blackstar ht20r mkii combo? Plz reply

[@swmorgan515]

Great vid Shane! I am most likely going to purchase a DSL20CR. It just seems to have the right combination of tones, size/weight and features. Just curious in this video were you entirely on the green/classic channel boosting that with overdrives, or were you using the red (ultra gain) channel at all?

[@offmerocker1467]

Isn't Dr Who a tremlord?

[@HomeGrownHub]

What model is that flying v?

[@carlosdommar]

I liked the Orange way more, more distinctive and more musical for my ears, I love the guttural dark tone it exudes.. The Marshall well, is a Marshall and its good for that kind of sound.

[@guitarocd9984]

I skipped around so I don't know if you mentioned it but the Orange is twice the price.

[@edwinmartinez9787]

Not fan of you in the past but this was great. Just got the marshall dsl 40cr having so much dialing that tone the high very pitchie took the back out little better in sounds

[@jamalabdul2009]

I finally heard what you mean by 3-D sound in comparing the Orange to the Marshall. It’s not that the Tremlord 30 sounds bad, it’s just not the same full sound that the DSL20 has. Listening to these two amps really brings out the difference in sound projection in the mix. Great jam fellas!!!🎸🎸

[@gaspareegrimaldi4740]

Shane that guitar playing to the limits I watch to here you play “ Excellent Ciao Ciao

[@guitarprepnplus1]

Is there talk of another lockdown over there? I'm in the U.S. and I heard of rumors for Sidney.. Hope not. Please need to know.

[@Mamo878]

Um, Google it. It's all over the news. If you know how to use KZbin pretty sure you can look up news stories too.

[@bcm1621]

@@Mamo878 well that was help ful... 😂

[@paulm6341]

Yes we are in lock down for 2 weeks. Likely longer. Grrrr.

[@louaguado995]

I've never played a small combo on the floor, has to be on a stand pointing upwards. I'm surprised you had it pointing at your feet instead of your ears. They sounded the same on my TV soundbar, maybe I had to be in the room to hear it.

[@forbiddenyoungones]

A TV sound bar like a lot of speakers and headphones would colour the sound you hear. To truly hear the sound as recorded you need transparent speakers or headphones.

[@tyroneenglish8396]

An opinion. The Orange sat in the mix, complemented the other instruments well. With enough push to make it stand out when necessary - What a brilliant amp! The Marshall sounded great, but didn't quite fit into the band context as well as the Orange.

[@rickycompton2610]

Great video Shane I love the Marshall DSL but the stuff made in the UK I was gonna look at The 100 watt Orange Dark terror head. It’s a shame all the great UK amp builders are make there stuff in Indonesia and China.

[@jasongultjaeff9397]

I think the Orange has a more vintage tone. The Marshall is getting into that blues rock thing, more modern. Louder and over powered the other instruments. The Orange kind of blended in more with the band. Second watch I just listened and Orange was good to listen to. The Marshall a bit loud and annoying. Personal taste though...the Orange is just a bit more vintage and subtle, the Marshall a bit more rock and roll! :)

[@simonsmith2642]

I honestly thought the Orange had the more “classic rock” vibe and tone. The Marshall sounded good but had modern tone, and didnt have the mojo of the classic rock tone. And SG with some P90’s I bet it drips with tone. I liked the jam and your tone with the orange. I didnt care so much for it with the Marshall.

[@Alfonzo862]

Marshall wins here. There is actually nothing wrong with the 70/80 no need to replace it once it breaks in its actually a great all round speaker.

[@williamcampbell7387]

Not fair. The Orange is a Bluegrass amp.

[@intheblues]

Any clean channel is a clean channel.

[@steved9723]

Hey Shane, nice vibrato there!

[@DelScully]

I don't think you understand what the Orange amp was made for.. It was meant to be a nice pedal platform clean amp. Every other reviewer I know has gushed about it saying how incredible the cleans are, as this is exactly what its made for.

[@intheblues]

It is being used as a pedal platform amp in the video. You may have missed that.

[@DelScully]

@@intheblues seemed like you were trying to crank it to get some overdriven sounds, but its best used for high head room and a good amp emulation overdrive! I hope it didn't turn you off of all Orange amps, I think you would truly enjoy the AD30 (voxish) or even an OR15 possibly!

[@CheddarKungPao]

That Marshall definitely sounded great.... :)

[@honkytonkinson9787]

They both sound good and iconic, but that Marshall sounds really good! I’ve been avoiding the DSL20 because I have the 5 and if I’m going to get a different amp I want a different amp, but I’m wondering why I want to sound different now!

[@playdelay]

Marshall sounded better in this application... I probably would have used a different Orange to compare to a Marshall. I am definitely biased in favor of Mesa's and Marshalls

[@hutchfromba]

I totally agree ! AND, Orange amps aren't good for old soul or Chicago style Blues. Blues On....💙

[@Eywadude]

Is it just me or is it every time Shane says "keys to the guitar shop", it sounds like he's saying "keister the guitar shop"? lol Not being an ass, just sayin'! ☺️ Regardless, great video as always, Shane! Although I thought the Orange had some decent tones in it, overall, I preferred the Marshall in this one. 👍 Cheers.

[@whiskeywhiskeyromeo3730]

I own the DSL20cr.....its great

[@ozman6602]

Can't beat a Marshall amp some come close depending what you're playing and the tone your going for but putting a orange up with a Marshall be for real no comparison at least my opinion

[@jesussantiago2536]

MARSHALL ALL THE WAY. GREAT VIDEO, GREAT JAM.GREETINGS FROM MEXICO🇲🇽.

[@sethl1588]

Apples and oranges...

[@misterknightowlandco]

Orange amps have waaaaaay too much low end in them that you can’t really dial out. I bought an orange crush 35rt and returned it I like 3 days. You would have sworn I bought a bass amp or something. Orange amps are for a very specific player and if your not one of those guys, just forget orange amps exist.

[@DMSProduktions]

CHANGE the speaker!

[@davel_ggw]

There are a couple of exceptions, the OR15 and Brent Hinds Terror have less of the trademark Orange sound, and are a bit more Marshall flavored than their other amps.

[@ErebosGR]

Winner: Fender Mustang LT25

[@fairenoughthenwhat]

Your correct: the Marshall ate the Orange- Vitamin C aplenty.

[@thomasloveday1617]

Man. That orange amp had no punch. Didn't cut through and just sounded muddy.

[@michaelogden5093]

Marshall coming down the stretch, ahead two lengths... Oh no Mr. Orange has thrown a shoe and... did his jockey just light up a smoke?

[@thejoshbtv]

Yeah that was night and day different.

[@wayne2150]

Thank you so much for demoing the amps with a Gibson Flying V!!! 👍😁

[@50Something]

The Orange sounded harsh and constipated, really disappointing for the price! BTW, you should get Dr. Ric a stethoscope to complete to look😂

[@OW79]

I think it's probably the wrong application for the amp. Andy @ Reverb had a review of it years ago, and it sounded pretty good on its own (with no effects or backing). So I'm guessing it does a lot better as a studio/miced up amp and probably is geared towards a slightly different style of music.

[@lukerobinson510]

Ummm.. very biased marshall sounded louder..turn the orange up. Marshall sounded more 3d? That's what reverb does. Why didn't you use the reverb on the orange? This is a apples to oranges comparison. Not a marshall to oranges. No pun intended. You sir gave a very bias review. The tremlord is designed to be a 50's style clean amp with tube driven tremolo. It wasn't designed to sound like a marshall my be consider comparing it so an old fender or a AC15 as they both feature reverb and tremolo.

[@tigertiger8496]

Merci beaucoup

[@Purple_Pixel]

The orange had a nicer tone.

[@kmichaelp4508]

Never! But never have I liked an Orange. Never have never will.😬

[@smartmammal9926]

Plus the Orange cost twice as much!

[@Ravens69]

Sounds like a listen to us play instead of an amp comparison.

[@leoolivero963]

Definitely apples with oranges :-)

[@danielgregory7200]

I never have been a fan of Orange amps. The tone just isn't there.

[@jacebrooklyn]

I don’t think your playing style fits the trem30.

[@intheblues]

😂 it’s an amp that does clean. That’s 90% of what I’ve used for years.

[@dereklong801]

Yeah, not even close. The Marshall sounded great.