Orca vs Hallberg-Rassy Monsun 31

On the 17th of september 2021 our boat and a few others were approached by 2 orcas near Cabo da Roca, Portugal.
We suffered some minor damages on the tiller. Underwater the rudder looks fine, but will be further inspected. Two of the other boats were not so lucky and lost steering.

[@TheShorterboy]

I guess next time paint the rudder with chilli

[@EA1EF]

In Japan used inox tubes semi into water that strike with hammers, like bells

[@michaeltualatin]

yeah it may works

[@jeffhodge7272]

Damn.Thought I was the first to think of that.🤭

[@nickinurse6433]

This reminds me exactly of how they try to knock seals off blocks of ice.

[@anttilehtinen9460]

You need a moose rifle onboard now days.

[@WaywardLifeSailing]

they're so slow, steady, confident and ready to take out your steering

[@leeoldershaw956]

There have been numerous reports of Orca damaged boats off the west coast of the Iberian peninsula. They are not playing.

[@martinc6987]

they are strong enough to break them by playing only.If hey really would be in attack mode,they would do real serious damage.

[@crcrcr5036]

Don't orcas hunt this way by swamping icebergs? kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6jFf4WEeN2bfMk&ab_channel=manfredthimme

[@martinc6987]

@@crcrcr5036 i dont think its icbergs,just thin pieces of ice where the pray sits on.An iceberg would hurt them and cannot be turned around also,as more ice is under water.

[@eskokoskenranta6280]

How about handflares, would they affect, better than just watch how your boat gets damaged and propably sink, I would think ?

[@davidhakes3884]

Light M80 explosive devise throw in water see if that has effect. If No effect Light full stick of dynomite.

[@bensouthwell1339]

Heard about a pod of Ocra attacking several boats off the coast of Portugal from another you tube vlog. It has a few sailors worried as they have attacked large fishing boats too, mainly the rudders seem ro be there targets. Maybe they are fighting back at the humans!!

[@orcinuswhalphin]

They aren’t lol. Orcas are curious, this isn’t attacking, it’s just playing. Trust me, if the orca wanted to flip it over it could have. Look at how they hunt seals on flag pieces of ice.

[@JRMBoost]

@@orcinuswhalphin you are wrong. It has been proved that they ara attacking boats because fishermen when fishing they were harpooning them to dismiss them. So they start attacking boats as they learnt boats attack Orcas.

[@orcinuswhalphin]

@@JRMBoost That’s also not true. If that’s so, then why don’t orcas attack every single boat they see? These animals are much more intelligent than we give them credit for. If they wanted to kill or hurt them, it wouldn’t be that hard.

[@cjw6659]

@@orcinuswhalphin it's definitely not 'playing'.

[@jeffhodge7272]

@@orcinuswhalphin I'm with you.Attacking.Please.

[@jochemspillebeen3551]

Teabag them, works 100%

[@christopherkohel8555]

Wtf?! Is it just me, or do the orcas know to go after the rudders? And who pissed them off?

[@nottheone582]

us. we did. humans have ruined the oceans and orcas are pissed at us.

[@kiwisailor8365]

CK and Rebecca , my guess is the Orcas are attempting to disable the whale above , attacking the fin of a whale would be one way to get a kill, the fact that no blood flows from the attack / injury they inflict might put them off....we hope 🙏

[@doublegi2880]

@@kiwisailor8365 they're not that dumb. They understand that a fin under water stears the boat so they bite it to mess it up. If you look at their formations and some redicously advanced tactics they use depending on underwater terrain, when they hunt, it's obvious they aren't dumb. I was watching analysis of their tactic in some place, where they like to hunt, 90% of the people couldn't come up with that. It's not some random crap. They use like 2 orcas to swim on certain depth , 1 orca with a bit delayed timing to intercept from front, one flanking on different depth from side at different time, it's like 8 orcas with different timings, different roles, different depths, different positions at different parts of terrain all combined into a strategic plan.

[@mikehurley5052]

Latest i have read is start engine and reverse, seems to work by all accounts .

[@justwayne4785]

I heard the same thing.

[@abakker]

Why you don't stick them at the nose? It is so Easy. These animals are just curious and want to play with the rudder.

[@24hourtravellers]

We have a monsun. Lucky nothing happened to your rudder, would it be better to tie the rudder centre?

[@2Sage-7Poets]

just blast them

[@suzanned5859]

Orca in this area seem very disturbed by something boats are doing. They are intelligent creatures. We don't give them credit. They are trying to tell us something and we aren't listening.

[@posterestantejames]

Were they under sail with the motor off or were they motoring?

[@sailingvisions]

[@isikeren875]

How far was you from the shore. And where was the ground?

[@davidhakes3884]

Yeah I am kinda sick of hearing about these killer whales abusing sailboats and WHY is it 95% near Portugal?

[@sunnyqzado3455]

Probably because it is just one rogue pod doing all the attacks. Remove the one pod and the problem would likely be solved.

[@saltystine]

I think it's because there used to be a big tuna stock here. the orcas fed on it, but we (humans) fished the stocks away from them. These animals are smart.

[@toddr2265]

Some dynamite might change their minds

[@jonibarger3147]

Boats need to invent rudders that can be pulled out of the water when orcas are spotted

[@jeanmulligan4168]

Revenge perhaps due to a nasty yachtsman they learn and teach the rest of the pod big brains there

[@joachimbleich5478]

is that the tiller which is broken

[@dancounihan2412]

Towing a dinghy also seems to distract them, how about towing a number of objects ? putting dye in the water ? anything else ?

[@tka1528]

I wonder if you thru some M80's into the water if that would scare the orcas away or just pissed them off more

[@davidhakes3884]

Haha, Now I see your reply.

[@theadoresnibblegoober6258]

They are learning to bite the rudder

[@thomaschristener2902]

What about starting the engine? Will these animals swin away or get even jalous? 😳 I love animals, but this can get a serious problem. We plan to spend next summer around denmark and i have no idea, how to react to a sinilar situation. ...

[@sheadford]

Anyone tried a noise maker near/under the water surface? eg one of those aerosol air-horns. Or does it just p*** them off?

[@vqqq7090]

Now orca looks human as a prey

[@michaeltualatin]

baby killer whale: Mom, Is human delicious? Mother: "Let's try it."

[@FastSet]

DRIT FERTTT!!!!

[@donnakawana]

Sails down engines off.. an jump in. ... Joking don't do that...

[@majorjansen2996]

oh my god.. so many stupid adds and comments and so little understanding.... these wales are coming to you cause they are curiousm thes `try` what comes to their home because it is their home and not ours or any area or hotel or fun that you can book because you `paid` for it. It is the deep open blue sea and if you are goin there you haven`t just to, but you definatelys must expect that there are `others` and this is happening not just since several but than millions of years. It is possible that they just are cunning. It is also possible that any stupid or cold dumbass has attacked injured or killed other whales, family members, children or individuals they knew before. it is also possible that they were feeded many times by other sailors before. it is also possible that they are not good on any humans in their territorial. it is also possible that they really want to destroy your boat cause they see a concurring rival in you. who knows? what we do and must know is that we should treat them respectfully and patient and friendly as it isn`t up to us to kill, injure or distract or torture or even kill other creatures. look how nice they are and how calm"! if they were aggressive they would behave in other ways. We will never accept or understand how egoistic selfish and silly lots of mllions of humans really are. you need to respect and coexcist instead of attacking or really hurting them you dullheads! get used to the fact that especially the polluted sea isn`t your holiday playground and help em as much as you can. make love not war even if they disrupt your journey, steering or whatever. there is and was a reason why theses comrades behave that way. regrets

[@vanseventy]

What kind of keel do you have? That orca would not do that my boat. Hope you had no damage my friend. This is why I think full keels were put on boats.

[@hagglundguy]

The Monsun 31 has a full keel.

[@twisterwiper]

Monsun has a very sturdy keel with a hinged rudder. I think it’s time to teach these orcas a lesson, just to deter them. It’s starting to become a rather serious problem.

[@giorgoslabrinidis103]

😊

[@CodeLeeCarter]

sometimes dropping the sails and turning all electrics and engine off (if used) can sometimes help,... some say, you don't look like a marine animal as much, when the sails are down and this approach has worked for some.

[@rnunezc.4575]

This boat is not running on engine or sail ....

[@CodeLeeCarter]

@@rnunezc.4575 doesn't matter, any type of EM field from any electronic device can attract marine wildlife. though i suspect it maybe the shape of rudders and keels that are mistaken for other marine animals whales feed on. Although these attacks needs more investigations as everything is speculative at the moment.

[@rnunezc.4575]

@@CodeLeeCarter worked on sailboats many years know a bit of marine animal behaviour . Just commenting that boat was stopped. From my view I think marine mammals are way more intelligent than we can understand . I think speculating of course they are annoyed at fishing boats killing them and other marine creatures , since fishing boats are too big and strong for them they try to revenge with other smaller vulnerable vessels like sailboats... They should also try not moving rudder. Any movement for them is taken as "alive" thing connecting to beings onboard....hard for me to explain in few words ...anyway...

[@CodeLeeCarter]

@@rnunezc.4575 Same, 20 years Deckhand and 2nd Engineer on charter Yachts. And, I agree, marine animals are more intelligent than we give them credit for !

[@santamulligan676]

Tough old rudder on a monsun

[@paralogregt]

Kozumi bells (i think that is the spelling) fish farm use them to keep whales away.

[@EA1EF]

Small wickless firecrackers explode in the water, with some weight even under water, I doubt they will damage them, it will surely scare them away and it seems legitimate to do so

[@nottheone582]

its their ocean, we're just guests here. how about I come into your house and light firecrackers in your bed??? foh

[@CaptMylo]

If it comes to saving my family’s life then fire crackers it will be. Yes they work well.

[@EA1EF]

@@CaptMylo also your own life will legitimate, its depend many factors but usually would be very dangerous to sailing care life

[@EA1EF]

@@nottheone582 of course, but any tecnics of self protection that no injuries Orcas would legitimate in front of well documented attacks

[@jeffhodge7272]

Play music.Bang pots and pans. Blow whistles.Something.

[@norbertmielke9011]

Sieht hier nicht wirklich aggressiv aus. Würde der Orca mit 1-2 Tonnen oder sogar mehr sich richtig mit dem Ruder anlegen dann würde das vermutlich schlechter enden, was es aber auch schon gab. Hat es mal jemand mit "freundlicher" Musik durch die Bordwand versucht? Ist vielleicht einen Versuch wert bevor man Böller wirft, wie hier einige vorschlagen.

[@getmedc]

Some kind of makeshift flame thrower would likely discourage it

[@LM-lv6fv]

Holy crap😳 he was determined wow...

[@donaldturner5124]

Just curious.

[@philgray1023]

The official recorded reports suggest otherwise.

[@gobil5274]

Is there some restriction against culling them?

[@berklia]

Yes. Many of the pods are almost extinct due to human fault

[@ooweesaler]

A few bird scarers in the water would see the back of them.

[@nottheone582]

thats illegal

[@ooweesaler]

@@nottheone582 Non lethal self defence? I think not. The scarer will not be extinguished in the water and will detonate on the surface. The orca will be sensitive to the detonation given their hearing.

[@sunnyqzado3455]

@@nottheone582 Hrmm. Thousands of Euros of damage to my boat and possibly a towing charge. I think I would risk a possible legal fine especially if I feel the safety of my family and myself are in jeopardy. Plus if the coast guard is there to witness this "illegal" act, then why aren't they helping ward off the attack?!?

[@philgray1023]

@@nottheone582 Under the safety at sea international law, it is illegal not to do whatever is possible to protect all human life at sea.

[@saltystine]

Orcas and other marine life are disturbed by the loud, annoying noises that an echo sounder produces. Also, at this point of the Bay of Biscay, the fishermen fish the tuna (or salmon?) away from the orcas, which swim a lot at the edge. I think the orcas know what they're doing. You get problems with a hung rudder.. this year we are also sailing this route with our Monsun 31. I'm a bit tense about it too, but sailing out of the Bay of Biscay is unfortunately not an option for us. We engage with nature, turn off the sonar, keep the tiller environment clear, and hope these beautiful animals are kind to us. 🤞🏼

[@CHRIS198490]

How monsun 31 good boat for sailing around the world I want to buy one I don't have a lot of money range 40k Euro to spend would you recommend boat like that or better save more ang bigger sailboat?

[@jeffhodge7272]

Could you scare them away by pounding?Like with a bat or a club.Sending a sound they aren't familiar with may send them away.🤷‍♂️

[@psychedashell]

Are these the iceberg tipping variety?

[@amosheryawan5069]

itu seperti ikan paus semoga tidak terjadi apa apa dengan perahunya

[@bigeyetuna6228]

Try seal bombs, we use them in So Cal all the time, not for Killer Whales but it’s worth a try…

[@sc29607]

What I don’t understand is that people still sail in this area even if the fact is known since November 2020 that orcas “attack” boats, also the Portuguese coast guard demands that boats less than 35ft avoid the area completely. I really don’t understand such a behaviour by sailors.

[@sunnyqzado3455]

If a Grizzly bear or cougar starts attacking humans they are dealt with swiftly so that no humans are hurt and so that other animals of that kind don't learn that behavior. Just saying...

[@sc29607]

@@sunnyqzado3455 there is just a big difference. The bear and cougar attacks and has a choice even if we invade his habitat. The orca doesn’t have a chance because they can’t just go on land, land animals share the same habitat with us but humans are no water animals at all. Also just humans “deal” with those land animals doesn’t make it more right, it’s still not right and I always hope that the animal is faster because we humans have no respect for the nature

[@sternamc919sterna3]

Probably they want to video the "attacks" and upload it for lots of likes. Mammals of different species having fun, and the orcas get a piece of rudder, along with some chasing/ hunting training and the humans get more views, likes, comments. The orcas win😉

[@leonhughes9014]

@@sunnyqzado3455 just saying the sea is their home not ours.. just saying

[@sunnyqzado3455]

@@leonhughes9014 Genesis 1:26 Humans were given dominion over Sea, Air and Land. Over everything that swims, flies, walks, slithers or creeps.

[@lewfrazer6734]

Give them something else to play with , like a big Buoy it might just distract them

[@getmedc]

Maybe a seal

[@albertgloups5843]

Un coup de pointe dans l'évent

[@68air]

"Free Willy"....or else!

[@colinboniface194]

I didn't see any aggression in them. I think they were playing with the bendy thing in the water... Not withstanding that, I'd sh*t myself if it happened to me...

[@nottheone582]

their blowing sounds were a lot more forceful than playful.. they sounded angry

[@sunnyqzado3455]

Oh they sounded and acted very aggressive, not at all playful.

[@jamesjoyce5611]

my first reaction is to scare them away by slapping them, then with further realization I believe being on deck will soon be hazardous as their confidence grows.

[@bigcountry9457]

Not being rude but something tells me that "slapping" a 10,000lb, 20 foot long animal is not going to do anything much less scare them away!

[@robertfredericks316]

wouldn't try that ,,,🤔. He might get angry and attack the boat for real

[@ah940]

@@bigcountry9457 Hitting or scaring a bear or a shark once it gets close to you is the best way to get it away, even though they could rip you apart with very little effort. People anthropomorphize animals too much, it isn't gonna get "angry" and decide it wants to fight you because you disrespected or upset it, animals are looking for easy pray or just having fun, they have a strong instict of self preservation, they can very well get scared and decide its not worth it. Its interesting to note how every single boat who reports damage also reports doing nothing and being passive, I wonder how many people manage to scare them off but dont talk about it because they would be overran by authorities or animal rights people.

[@bigcountry9457]

@@ah940 I understand what point you are making but I still disagree in this situation, you are simply wasting time. I also disagree in situations where people are being attacked by a grizzly bear. There are plenty of example where hunters have tried to scare a charging grizzly bear a way by firing a warning shot to no avail. This simply doesn't work with most apex predators (Orcas and grizzly bears). Hence the reason they tell you to play dead if you are attacked by a grizzly bear and not fight and try to scare it. However, I will tell you that if it was me on the sailboat I would not be sitting by passively for no other reason than that has demonstrated that it doesn't work. I would put my boat in reverse and go as fast as possible backwards. I heard a captain of another ship say this and thought it was genius. Reason being, most of these sailboats have the rudders located behind the propeller. The orcas risk very little damage or injury swimming up to the rudder when the vessel is going forward but when in reverse now they have to navigate getting around the spinning propeller. I doubt the would give it a go and risk injury. Worth a try to me, I know it may sound mean but it's better than being stranded without a rudder.

[@peduista27]

Qué hermosas que son 😍

[@paulvr3158]

I think I would harpoon one in self defense? They'd learn soon enough if a few boats did it....

[@Fat_Vegan]

Ooh tough guy

[@grow4fun654]

dude that is a 3T nimail you don't whant to make it worse if that decide it wont to hit you hard you cookt

[@bigcountry9457]

@@grow4fun654 That is true, unless you were to use modern harpoons with exploding tips (I'm in no way advocating for hurting the orcas, they are my most favorite animal).

[@sc29607]

You see mostly only a third of the pod, so attacking one (and these here are young ones) could cause the adults to attack… not sure if a 31ft yacht, even a 40ft yacht could manage to withstand an attack of round about 6 adult orcas. At the end of the day we invade their natural habitat, we do it voluntary, they have no choice, so respect it and hope they calm down. If an orca wants to sink the boat I dare to say, an adult female can do that on her own, don’t even dare to think what a pos could do…

[@paulvr3158]

@@sc29607 I am a blue water sailor, and I think I would attempt to spear one in self defense, I hope I don't have to.......I do not think they would attack in anger, that is to impart human characteristics onto them, I think the would flee in shock..... They are not expecting to get hurt, just have a bit of fun......if the object of the fun hurt them, they'd run....if anger and sinking ships was in their nature, there would be a lot more of it...they feel the hull, they know it is hard, they are not stupid.

[@ralphholiman7401]

Cattle prod with extension should do the trick.

[@FastSet]

Du er heldig

[@christopher-bj8de]

A 30 yard 6 will teach some respect.

[@kissi7474]

Scary situation. How much damage was done? BR, Monsun #703.

[@jwagener1234]

Tiller broken at the top. Rudder is fine. Some of the prop blades were bent, but not 100% sure if that's from the orca incident or happened before. All in all we're pretty happy that we had no signifcant damages. w

[@joachimbleich5478]

@@jwagener1234 the next time pick up the Tiller

[@mikeandcheryl]

Drum of diesel over the side might help....best not get caught doing that though. Tbh I'd be battering it with a pole

[@kleinerHippie]

Was sagt denn der geneigte Walforscher dazu, den Jungs mal ein paar harte Kartoffeln auf den Kopf zu werfen? Oder mit der stumpfen Seite des Bootshaken richtig kräftig. Ich vermute, dass diese Gegenwehr sich in Orca-Kreisen herumspricht.

[@rickylefleur2158]

Der geneigte Walforscher sagt dazu: ganz dumme Idee.

[@kleinerHippie]

@@rickylefleur2158 Und warum dumm? Schon mal probiert oder Tierschutz?

[@rickylefleur2158]

@@kleinerHippie Size matters

[@sternamc919sterna3]

@@rickylefleur2158 yeah, show them how much fun these sailing boats are with lots of thrown stuff. I guess that this behaviour has been caused by humans attracting orcas, approaching them too closely and possibly throwing them objects, fish and other 'fun' things. By the size of the "attacker" it is clear that it is a very young individual.

[@rickylefleur2158]

@@sternamc919sterna3 No worries we are on the same page. It's a bad idea to throw things at those beautiful creatures...

[@garysharpe4660]

Why not start he engine and move away?

[@Grandmaster-G]

You're not outrunning an Orca mate ! :D

[@sunnyqzado3455]

They attack moving vehicles as well.

[@markbrown-sb2zm]

They are faster than that boats engine can take it.

[@x40xandus]

Very scaring, is there no possibility to frighten them, for instance with hypersonic loudspeakers under water? It is just an idea!

[@nottheone582]

thats illegal

[@x40xandus]

@@nottheone582 okay, then it is better to use an automatic gun.

[@sunnyqzado3455]

@@nottheone582 ADDs and AHDs (Acoustic Deterrence and Harassment Devices) are totally legal. Plus people have a right to protect their property from damage caused by these creatures. In addition, if the coast guard is there to issue fines then why the hell aren't they helping to stop the attack?!?

[@chaos-fk6fs]

Its their ocean not ours

[@Max-Bliss]

I wonder whether a Taser would put them off....?

[@chriswatts1412]

They were there first.

[@seabird3wy531]

Boats make good fish shields and maybe he was just fishing???

[@OldGuySailing]

Maybe grab a boat hook and poke the Orca he may not like it and leave but doing nothing is not working

[@davidhakes3884]

Load spear in gun pull all rubbers back shoot spear.

[@martinc6987]

someone ever tried flares into the water?

[@theadoresnibblegoober6258]

A long pointed metal pipe to stab the Orca. It’s disabling the rudder to eat you

[@orcinuswhalphin]

I hope your not being serious lmao

[@philgray1023]

@@orcinuswhalphin With no rudder I can die. Tell how you would greet a crocodile doing this to you on land?

[@orcinuswhalphin]

@@philgray1023 Orcas don't eat humans, they aren't like crocodiles lmao they're more curious about us than anything. It's better to leave them alone.

[@ltkozaczka]

They know exactly what they’re doing……

[@ryananthony2614]

Killer whales r very smart hunting great white sharks Killer whales killed great white sharks

[@williamparker2809]

Did you have to rifle on board?

[@pete9501]

Don't be daft, this is Europe, we don't carry guns.

[@gladnijoe5668]

@@pete9501 Only kalasnikovs but its not rifle. Its calculator for final count. We dont use it on some stupid fish, .😎

[@ebersegui]

@@pete9501 You are just not hanging out with the right people.

[@Offatatangent]

They are cetaceans in the ocean, not children in a US school.

[@bigcountry9457]

@@Offatatangent Well played! Maybe all these vessels should remove their rudders.

[@DD-fj2ut]

Are you cussing at the Orcas for messing with your rudder? They are just poking you in the eye, they know the rudder is a connection to you on the deck. What do you expect, they live there…

[@thegodsnut8595]

Just one of them is enough food for three month.

[@Fat_Vegan]

I bet you can’t crush a grape

[@notlaughinganymore1821]

Orca: "one of you is enough food for 3 minutes".

[@nottheone582]

ef u

[@getmedc]

Maybe, but I am only partial to the fins.