Orcane is BROKEN! - Rivals 2 Patch 1.05 Review

[@GimR]

Agree on Clairen

[@Spider-]

@@GimR she is so broken

[@MrRsmash]

Fellow clairen believer 🤝

[@cnv2740]

Looking for another game to ruin? Killed PM for Nintendo, and Nintendo rejected your terrible organization, the irony! And from there you just went downhill, and your envy ruined another org that was actually doing much better than you ever did. You are so petty. Glad that karma found your bald ass. Your downfall is delicious.

[@Calabrel]

Yeah, fought a bunch of Clairen's today, wait, that's the same as all other days. Can't believe it was all buffs. 😭

[@epicnerf1]

Clairen isn't busted imo

[@Calabrel]

Orcane back air is easier to hit now, it's noticeable but hitting bair1 to bair2 while rising was still difficult. Still need to try to avoid bair1 while doing that, but with the radius larger it's easier to do that. So yeah, solid buff. I only started playing in 1.0.4 so i never got to experience the stall before, and omg it's a godsend.

[@Spider-]

Yh it's great now

[@Not_Astrocat]

The Ledgegrab hitbox affected Maypul ledgetall, she now has to jump then instantly do side B to regrab with invicibility frames, instead of just letting go and instant side B like beforr

[@Spider-]

@@Not_Astrocat yhbut unfortunately it's not thst much harder :(

[@adrianbeltranbeltran7369]

And if you are slightly slow on the execution you risk getting hit by a recovery and have to recover without a jump. Not sure if this was intended when making the universal change

[@Goljee]

The Side Special Ranno changes makes Aerial Tongue in neutral combos do less damage since he can't fastfall early anymore. Also If the Ranno does aerial tongue offstage and you get caught by it he has less time to convert off of it.

[@Spider-]

Ah okay cool thanks for letting me know

[@Calabrel]

Oh and btw, don't know what they're talking about with Ranno dair, the hitbox is still nonsensical.

[@Spider-]

Ranno fair will always be broken

[@Spider-]

Dair*

[@Hackoru]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Beastmd]

HACKORU!!

[@BluuSkyz]

The removal of fast fall after Side B clone from forsburn is going to hurt him bad since thats one of his neutral mixups.

[@Spider-]

Really good change imo

[@guilhermeportugal6389]

I am a Fleet main and I have felt the consequences of having cake assault main my char. Now it's time for the Forsburn mains to suffer.

[@Spider-]

Haha feel that

[@31emanual]

For zetterburn, it would be great if neutral b also retained more momentum when it's not reversed.

[@Spider-]

That would be crazy

[@garrettspies8970]

Good video but what was the kragg bit? You said he needs to kill at higher percents? The changes mean he's killing earlier, right?

[@Spider-]

Yeah before he couldn't kill with stray hits very easily with good di, but now should be easier for him.

[@demiurge2501]

as a wrastor main my neutral b muscle memory is cooked. i like the universal change though

[@Spider-]

Yh same with me for down b 😭😭

[@Beastmd]

PATCH NOTE REVIEW YES

[@Spider-]

@@Beastmd honerary European

[@Beastmd]

@ LETS GOOOO!!!!

[@SWAGGINGOUT]

good video spider

[@Spider-]

@SWAGGINGOUT thanks ❤️

[@DillonLittlefield]

What does it mean that Clairen's jab can be "auto-floorhugged"?

[@Spider-]

It means you can floor hug it without timing it perfectly as long as your pressing down with jab hits you you are floorhugging it and you can punish it

[@Lore_from_Stars]

nah dude that forsburn clone nerf feels fucking awful, that was too much

[@666blaziken]

I don't know if you're referring to the fast fall nerf or his clone taking 20 frames to form, but forsburn got some nice buffs to his dair and bair to compensate, and if you use side b in the smoke, it can still mix up the opponent because they don't know where you are, so overall, he has a better balance of mixups and straight forward-ness.

[@YourAverageLink]

@@666blaziken I assume it's about the new framedata. It feels like it lost almost all of its offensive utility, and in neutral, its reward is not really worth its risk anymore. I think if they did a partial reversion where regular clone has super clone's current framedata (so back to 3 frames endlag) and super clone has prepatch framedata (so back to 14 frame startup), that would feel less sluggish while still keeping normal clone quite reactable so you can punish him for doing it poorly in neutral. They could also increase the cooldown of clone as compensation so it isn't as spammable in neutral.

[@666blaziken]

@@YourAverageLink I would agree only if he gets the cooldown nerf. I think making the endlag 7 frames is supposed to make his recovery not as good if you are trying to sweetspot ledge with it because of how hard it is to edgeguard it if you are on stage, so I think the nerfs make sense.

[@Spider-]

i think he needs it lol

[@Kahmie]

Zetter’s biggest weakness is his recovery, and they heavily nerfed the interactions that worked in Zetter’s favor like down b resetting jump even if your hit out of it, and up b free fall air drift mixups. They also nerfed Zetter’s biggest strength which is usmash. Who convinced the devs Zetter was a problem?? But shine oos got fixed and I don’t misinput parry anymore which feels amazing. Clairen didn’t need buffs but I don’t mind recovery buffs, as the real problem w Clairen is her oppressive offense, and absolutely absurd reward from grab.

[@666blaziken]

There's quite a few people on reddit who think zetterburn didn't get hit hard enough. Zetterburn still has pleanty of ways to recover because of his down b mixups and up special also got buffed because you get more momentum carried over (especially with horizontal distances) Upsmash still hits just as hard, you just have to be more precise with it.

[@Spider-]

I think the recovery nerf was very tough on zetter, but upsmash needed to be nerfed

[@Kahmie]

@@666blaziken Which is crazy because the only characters who might legitimately be worse than Zetter are fleet orcane and lox, and fleet has a good mu against Zetter still.

[@666blaziken]

Orcane might be top 5 now. That bair hits really hard. It was balanced around the fact that it's hard to hit with but does a shit ton of knock back. With that downside alleviated, orcane now has more killing consistency while still being the slippery slidey water dog we know him for.

[@Spider-]

Yh it's spooky

[@matthewclaflin6568]

clairen ruins the game imo. just brainlessly wave stick around, some of the tippers people hit on me are just absolutely outrageous

[@Calabrel]

As Orcane they're sitting underneath a platform spamming ftilt and I'm like, okay, but can we play the game?

[@TrixterTheFemboy]

Gonna be completely honest, that's just a skill issue. I ain't a Clairen player, but she takes some skill. If she can just throw out random moves and it works, your spacing and punish game are probably off.

[@jakezepeda1267]

I mainly play Kragg but have absolutely robbed games and done some crazy stuff with Clairen basically by mashing. I think it's a case of being very good at lower skill levels, but once you get to the upper ranks you understand the game and have better neutral and it evens out. Personally I think Ranno is more busted than Clairen.

[@Calabrel]

@jakezepeda1267 I would agree with you, except at least Ranno can be edge guarded.

[@Spider-]

Agree