Orcs and Goblins vs Bretonian Knights, Warhammer Old World battle report

Let's go back to The Old World for this classic match up between Knights and Greenskins. This one is a blood bath.
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[@strigoi_guhlqueen8355]

Thank you so much winters. I truly truly hoped you would do an second old world battle repport at some point. I would love more in the future of course.

[@olofsandberg1125]

Love that the volume of army is smaller, makes for a more paced game altogether compared to 2000+ point 40k games

[@WoffBoot]

It was great fun bringing the greenskin lunatics against Sultan's beautiful Bretonnians. Thanks again Winters for hosting. And this was filmed quite soon after TOW release, so please enjoy the many and varied mistakes we inevitably made. Stylus

[@PeterButchens]

sudden Monkey coming in with a 'u wot m8' caught me off guard 😂

[@Gwaihir-The-Windlord]

Impressive Monkey teleporting in from Wales to defend his people

[@friendofyoda5194]

That moment where the fanatics almost killed the Duke had me genuinely gasping and cheering in front of my monitor - wow guys!

[@michaelchampion936]

At 38mins, the second fanatic did not hit the Bret lord, as he rolled a double1 and dstroy himself.

[@parsnipking5030]

Isn’t it any double destroys the fanatic? And if I’m correct they don’t even get to move first?

[@MarkAndTerra]

@@parsnipking5030 Correct. Any double or hitting terrain.

[@SorcererDave]

I never got to play WHFB back in the day but this is the most entertaining battle report I've watched in years! Well done lads

[@emberpowertcg7692]

The image of grom crashing through trees just to reform before the board edge is certianly something, love this game

[@thezeevy]

Fellow goblin here saw a few rules misses/mistakes. 1. Fanatics die whenever they roll a double so one fanatic would have died when it came out (and then again when it rolled a double one to hit the duke). However Hills do not kill fanatics (only difficult terrain which hills are not. 2. Fanatics move every compulsory move phase. Yours and your opponent. 3. You cannot place Vortex spells on top of an opponent. 4. Your Night Goblin warboss has warband so adds his rank bonus from his unit to his leadership. As someone who plays against brettonians a lot...peasants don't get the ward save from the lady. They are too dirty and she doesn't want to protect them.

[@thezeevy]

Also if you double outnumber an enemy then a Fall Back in Good Order becomes break and flee.

[@KiwiOddity]

Unless I'm mistaken as well, the warboss in the night goblin spearmen can move within the ranks as well so could have done his full attacks against the lone knight.

[@christiankoppang8296]

I think the warhammer tv team made the same mistake in their video where the peasants got a ward save

[@zenosAnalytic]

Duke Arthur d'Olivier making all but one of his ELEVEN SAVES is one of the most epic moments in wargaming history uwu uwu uwu

[@fjLKA]

Shame about that midair collision though.

[@zenosAnalytic]

@@fjLKAXD Yes. A prime example of the importance of air traffik controllurs :p :p

[@blakej6416]

Love seeing the Greenskins!! Those models are great, love the savage orcs too!

[@johnphillips6515]

Another great Old World batrep - very entertaining!

[@MarkAndTerra]

@34:10 A subtle but significant change that many veteran players are playing incorrectly: when the charge target Flees and the Charging unit doesn't reach them, they move the FULL charge distance (Move + Roll), it is not a Failed Charge.

[@StuartHarvey-rh3sl]

I actually cheered “yes!” out loud on two occasions when those saves of the lady came good. Really enjoyed this scrap, it was brilliant, especially as it was only 1000pts. Keep them coming 👍🏻

[@ilarinikkarikoski4765]

Thank you for doing Old World report with your quality of work. It was enjoyable, Winters.

[@smalwex]

Cannot express how much i love Sultan as a player, my sweet lad "Charge" had me chuckling

[@RiverRibble]

This was fun! I like all the thematic rules in the old world, feels more like you're watching a story taking place

[@XvShadowsvX]

@29:43 You cant place Vortex templates on to units directly so the foot of gork couldent land on the grail knights so none of them should have died on the following turn as the foot would have scattered passed them but not over. Also you only get 1 fated dispel per turn.

[@efzmonkey]

I'm really enjoying the old world content. More please.

[@DrawThatFox-rq5sx]

I love how Bretonian miniatures look, glad to see them in action 😊

[@HORDEchannel]

More olde worlde!

[@robertofinali2495]

very pleasant and entertaining to watch, thank you very much for uploading!

[@jasonwalker5287]

Love to see the old world! Orcs and Goblins look like so much chaotic fun!

[@williammaitland8262]

fantastic little battle report! Love seeing Old World!

[@MarkAndTerra]

Remember that Peasants and Men at Arms don't have Blessing of the Lady, so no Ward saves. Remember that if a unit loses a combat when the opposing side (totalling up all units) is more than double the losing unit's Unit Strength, they don't Fall Back in Good Order they Break.

[@xRyanSCx]

Just love the old world and especially these batreps! Keep them coming 🙏🏼

[@KyleMiddleton7]

20:24 Actually in Old World you can hit on 2+ if your weapon skill is more than double your opponent. So WS7 hits WS3 on a 2+

[@Dom-ei8uf]

Love you winters, and understand this is a first game for one of the guys, but there was A LOT of mistakes made in this one. Most have been pointed out in other comments so I won't go over them, but a couple more were; Pegasus knights only the riders get furious charge (it explicitly states this), this was big as those 2 extra attacks could've been the ones that killed Grom. Stone thrower only the model under the hole takes multiple wounds, so that Pegasus knight would have only lost one wound and still be alive. Aka the game didn't end when it did, should have kept going. Following up after a enemy FBIGO counts as charging but is still the same combat as per the FAQ, therefore the Pegasus knights don't get to use lances again against Grom. However they could have gotten around this by testing to restrain and then charging the 4 inches in their own turn, they just needed to pass a ld test. Vortexes move over impassable terrain and units, and pop through to the other side, aka the goblins would have takes some hits at the end, depending on how you were playing that ruin. Not a wrong rule just a gripe, why wasn't the duke joined to the Pegasus knights literally right next to him??? It would have stopped him being targeted by the stone thrower and losing 3 wounds to vindictive gaze, which was a HUGE swing. They didn't even need to do anything different just state he's part of the unit. I know this was a fun game of a new system, but i'd ask you and the players to learn the rules (especially of their own army!) as best as they can, and anytime in a bat rep anything's in doubt please look up the rules in question, and with the magic of editing we don't even have to see that! Otherwise I believe you are at best frustrating people watching who know the rules and at worst teaching new players rules wrong that they are going to have to unlearn. Otherwise love your content and long live the Old World!

[@templarwhiskey8167]

I agree with your comments. But Lances says they can be used whenever the wielder charges. Morning stars and Flails state that rule of their strength bonus can only be used only in the first round of combat.

[@sjhhej]

Ooh..looking forwards to this battle report...*grabs popcorn*

[@sjhhej]

"That's the end of orcs turn three and basically nothing happened"...oof. Game fail. Watching this I see they've not updated the rules at all. All the same old problems. Initiative is a terrible rule - always was. IGOUGO resolution still plagues the GW game line. They had such an opportunity here to make across-the-board improvements. Clearly not. I'll stick with One Page Rules Age of Fantasy i think. As ever though an entertaining battle report. I'd love to see other games on your table Winters. Maybe even stretching your gaming legs out beyond the narrow confines of GW?

[@The_Captain40k]

⁠@@sjhhej you state your opinions as facts. Many people enjoy the rules! I think they’ve done a great job and have had a great time playing so far.

[@sjhhej]

@@The_Captain40k If you enjoy these old rules, great! Play what you like and have fun shall be the whole of the law.

[@ellesse3862]

Another great super narrative 40k game. Defenders of the hivespire, resplendent in the archaic heraldry of the ruling noble house, discover an infestation of savage snakebite orks and feral grots roaming the scrub and forgotten ruins of the wasteland.

[@timo-d4672]

Huzzah! 🎉 Old World 🎉

[@pattsy40k]

Give us more of this please!😊

[@paradox7358]

These occasional fantasy battles are a welcome change.

[@jameshogg6878]

Fab! I need more of this!

[@icewolffinc]

Great fun , nice to see Old World here, some things to read up about boys, i notice ; Peasants do not get the blessing. faited dispel, is only 1 per turn. horses can fight to. ws7 vs ws3 = 2 to hit. orc flee 7, so you move duke and grail 7, even when they did roll higher, they stop at point where they overrun. Hold with chariot, give ground you mean and the move back 2 inches. ---- scrap this ---- In a lance the champion is in the fornt rank, banner in the second. ----- scrap this ----- small arrow on direction dice, is only mention by rocklobber, not by vortex : but is debatable. Magical Vortex uses a round template which is placed on the battlefield, not touching the bases of any models. baron charge - Running Down the Foe: If the charging unit does not make contact with the fleeing unit, it moves forward its full charge range. It not made a failed charge - the charge target ran away. Furious Charge is on knights only, not mounts. close order on 1 grail knight , you need 2 models to claim close order, or being big.

[@antonlukkarinen2648]

Actually Banners go in the front of the lance now according to the rules, werd but thats how it is now

[@icewolffinc]

@@antonlukkarinen2648 I stand corrected my good sir, i use to run my champs in the front because of custom move trays and he is mostly last to remove and i allready forgot it.

[@MrKurtank]

Sultan vs Stylus already a great video. And lest we forget, Monkey, saving the Wales.

[@zenosAnalytic]

what a great game. That First Grail Knight... The Lady Protects u_u u_u

[@XallanofEdge]

@39:36 When you rally, you can still shoot missile weapons as well. You only suffer a penalty to hit for moving.

[@skinniestfatman5641]

when the goblins chose to flee as a charge reaction your duke should of gone the full charge roll as its not a failed charge

[@ElevenHymn]

Love the Old World content!

[@user-sb2xr9vw1f]

10:06 you would still need to roll to hit the peasant who is partially under the template he is not automatically hit

[@pokkles]

Love what you do Winters, keep em' coming!

[@MiniGamerDusty]

Great game! Was Stylus wearing a Bazooka shirt from GI Joe?!

[@WoffBoot]

Knowing is half the battle.

[@grimslayer8499]

For ze Lady!!

[@ClydeMillerWynant]

Hope to see more of these as I really enjoy the style of report, the attitude, the armies chosen and the models. Nice to see armies not having to be big to be fun and you all come across as good people with a lot of love for what you're doing. Bit of a shame with this one though that there were so many rules mistakes that it was hard to get along with it as pretty much every important moment featured some sort of error. It really was too many unfortunately. Will absolutely look forward to more reports from you because of all the positive aspects, just hoping you'll sharpen up on the rules, something which will surely come naturally to some extent through playing more.

[@The_Captain40k]

More please!

[@markfewster5250]

Love these old world battle reports, how about some Warcry? Please 😊

[@friendofyoda5194]

Old World content is the best content!

[@Isabingus]

I can sympathies with sultan on brettonia just been knights for adults, when I first played total war warhammer trilogy brettonians got me hooked just as the knight models sold from old castle gift shop that was in my village as a kid! Years later I spend most of my free time on a brettonian themed discord (well it originally was before it became a hub for the mod author/owner and the community thats formed over the last year to stay in touch) and starting to get serious about my 5th ed/old world brettonian army. Also sultan and stylus, you do know how to treat us well! Surprise monkey too xD

[@Katiefan123]

awesome more old world love stylus love sultan

[@martynhughes5419]

Awesome Battle report gents, more gobbos please

[@krimson4980]

I haven't read the Bretonnia book yet. Does the blessing work on the peasants? Old fantasy, it was knights only.

[@ja37d-34]

Cool stuff. :)

[@gregshimmin5334]

For the DUKE! ❤

[@kevcom2001]

More old world please!

[@vojtechcepelak1451]

More ToW!!!

[@JKWARGAMES]

Peasants do not get the blessing!!

[@Voelund]

Sir Sultan and Big Boss Stylus? Is BBS brutal or cunning or both? Is 'e a big'un or a gobbo or a Black Orc boss?

[@bremer1701]

you dont "give up" first turn. You just dont roll for it and your opponent choses who begins the game. sometimes its beneficial to go second. 28:27 since the duke is on a pegasus and flying, he can cross fanatics unharmed.

[@carminebattista3249]

A few critical game changing mistakes: Double 1 kills fanatics Double out numbered grail knight flees Line of sight was blocked for pegasi charge into squig Cannot do two fated dispels in one turn

[@WraithRaider]

Despite growing up on WFB, I think 40k is a much more tactical and interesting game. That said, always fun to watch Stylus and Sultan and goblins make any game fun!

[@lucastaffolani8087]

nice game but i think doomdiver couldn't fire on duke cause misfire previous turn

[@AllbinP]

Waaaaaaghh!

[@user-sj5se9ff2h]

@56:40 The grail knights champion would run away as the night goblin unit is more than twice his strength. Then, goblins would catch him (if You keep the rolls without the swiftride) and the Orcs & Goblins would win!

[@punchyMiddleEarth]

ToW FTW!

[@WeirdWizardDave]

Really loving old world I have to say! Quick rules point though, Vortex spells (which I think the foot of Gork was?) can't be placed on top of units, it has to be placed not touching any models, they can then move over units but can't stop on top of them (it just continues until its clear).

[@michaelchampion936]

WS7 vs WS3 are 2's to hit

[@WeirdWizardDave]

Yeah if WS is more than double its 2+, if its less than half its 5+.

[@user-sb2xr9vw1f]

@@WeirdWizardDaveFalse, the pattern is double plus 1 so WS2 against WS5 is 5s to hit and vice Vera’s it’s 2s but WS3 against 5 would 4s to hit and the n 3s vice versa

[@michaelchampion936]

Both wrong, it's a table that goes down to 2+ but only up to 5+, so a more complicated formula than either of you said. Double +1 is 5+, same to double is 4+, less than but not less than half is 3+, more than double plus 1 is 2+. Easiest thing to do is look at the table

[@WeirdWizardDave]

@@user-sb2xr9vw1f I believe that is what I said. More than double is the same as double+1. Maybe its the programmer in me that doesn't think it needs to be made more explicit.

[@WeirdWizardDave]

@@michaelchampion936 No we're right (both of us as we stated the same thing). I did omit the 3+ and 4+ result because I thought those were obvious but yes the full rule is, in order. More than double 2+, more than (but not more than double) 3+, equal or less (but not less than half) 4+, less than half 5+. It really isn't complicated and constantly referring to the table isn't needed once you know the rule. I think people are confusing themselves with this double +1 business, its either double+1 OR more than double. These are just different ways of saying the same thing. More than double+1 however is wrong as that would mean WS 7 vs WS 3 would be 3+ (WS3 * 2 = 6 + 1 = 7, WS 7 is not greater than 7 so 3+. But it is in fact 2+ on the table because it only need to be greater than double, not greater than double +1).

[@Meister_Lindo]

hi, nice Battlereport, but Fanatics die if you roll a doublets

[@MrAndy365]

Orc chariot is close order so turn 3 combat should have been a draw (which I think means the musician would have swung it to the pegasus lads anyway)

[@PaintingInsomniac]

There is a lot of rules errors here, feels like I'm watching miniwargaming lol

[@liangweihao7932]

The fanatics were your greatest weapon and u didn't play it properly unfortunately. Never risk a long bomb release. Since now you can release it on your opponent's turn, just march right up into the face of the enemy unit, and when their turn comes around, then release them. They either have to charge through the fanatics, or the fanatics will hit them before they can move away.

[@Nazgull2k1]

... game's WAY too small to be interesting. Sorry

[@The_Captain40k]

Why can’t a smaller game be interesting?

[@lparker7416]

Not true…