Original Sin | The Impossible Christian Doctrine | Steven Tiger with Esther Dhanraj - Part 1

[@jayram670]

Esther - you are doing a fantastic job. You are asking great, logical questions and are a good listener. As long as you stick to the facts, the truth will reveal itself and blind beliefs will vanish. This is true of blind beliefs from any religion but then Christianity and Islam keep people in fear of eternal damnation. So they are the ones that need true liberation. You are doing great a service to humanity. Thank you.

[@sajucdaniel8872]

Esther you are doing a fantastic job. You are opening new avenues of religious debates outside mainstream Hinduism. This will lead more and more debates that allows other religions explain their point of view and also help majority Hindus examine their own beliefs in the light of modern understanding. This will bring new awakening in 🇮🇳 India.

[@atulkotwal]

Greeting a new born baby as "Hello Born Sinner", This is the biggest Human Right Violation.

[@nike4180]

Exactly you are correct it is a human baby and it is a human right violation. So how does it fit with the Divine who has no beginning and no end? Your argument does not work.

[@atulkotwal]

@@nike4180 Vedas declares "Tat tvam asi" means You are that divine which you is looking for. Purpose of this life is to not to know this fact but realize divinity within you. you may read/hear books and books about making a cake, but till you eat cake your self you will never know its sweetness . Giving Divinity to Humanity and not calling human baby as sinner.

[@visamap]

Thank u all team . all such efforts and works will lead many in to all truth .

[@kenny87ification]

One day the whole world will embrace Hinduism and that day is not too far

[@robinaugustine5998]

No , everyone will quit Religion There is no God or Gods

[@gyanendrashukla5732]

It is happening but in a digestion ways.....

[@aneeswarayouth]

@@robinaugustine5998 atheism is just a part of Hinduism. There are 6 schools of traditional atheistic schools of philosophies in Hinduism apart from other Buddhist schools and several others. By becoming atheistic, one automatically becomes Hindu.

[@rangasai7459]

@@robinaugustine5998 atheism is also part of Hinduism bro.

[@vish2553]

Always Learning in Hinduism, you are that, you are that God! Tat Tvam Asi, Aham Brahamsi! No religion here. ALL here is YOU, the supreme consciousness!

[@vanhannu]

Steven Tiger, why dont you plz come to Bharat and roar the same way as you are roaring. We all will welcome you and take to Ayodhya as well:-) Nice show Esther ji. More SHAKTI to you. Jai SiyaRam.

[@steventiger880]

Thank you so much. I don't know where I'll be traveling in the future, but I really appreciate your invitation.

[@sajucdaniel8872]

@@steventiger880 Hi Steven, when you travel to Tamil Nadu, please visit Kerala also. Among the so called scheduled caste (or Dalits as they are called now) in Kerala there are people who have accepted Christianity. When they accept Christianity, they will lose all the special preveleges like job reservation and financial assistance given by the state and central government. This is the law in India. Both category had the same status before some of them voluntarily changed their faith, rejecting all those special schemes for uplifting them. Now you can do a comparative study on their lives and see what changes have taken place, if there any..

[@nationalethos5860]

If the atheists are included as part of Hinduism , Hinduism does include atheists, then Hinduism would be the largest and the most widely practiced belief in the world.

[@spiyengar6769]

National Ethos The reason Hinduism allows Atheism is simple. You are god and if you don’t like it you are allowed to disbelieve in yourself.

[@JimMaisonneuve-ri9vg]

So, like countless people that from an accident of birth, I became a Christian. However now saved!, but not in terms of Christian doctrines, but saved from being Christian! And the impetus for leaving this absurd christanity, was the teachings of ParamahamsaYogananada, Swami Vivekananda and his master Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Generally the Indian Spiritual Philosophy. Sadhana, Sadhana and more Sadhana! Stop not until the goal is reached!

[@beharelaldhar9204]

As a Hindu I believe killing of my consciousness is sin.

[@pgjybbtqnrqehbkffbntwnhph2924]

Great discussion between two great minds. Esther's scholarly extraordinary excellence is visible in her apt focussed questions

[@successunlimited5759]

After watching this I feel as if I've joined The University of Ex-Christianity To do my Masters in Anti-apology. Let this Great work continue and God Bless sister and people like sir a very healthy long life to show the world the light at the end of the tunnel and set us Truely free.

[@ramgangwar4742]

Same thing is happening with me🤣🤣🤣😂im just about to finish this course,😂

[@dharmaandus6682]

How about once you finish this course, you use it in its full capacity to increase awareness among those who are not aware of these things?

[@ramgangwar4742]

@@dharmaandus6682yea Brother..we are doing our work on the ground

[@Infinity-gw9du]

Thanks Easter and Mr Tiger.

[@bhargava_3899]

Loved the way Steven put it about bible and religion. I cannot appreciate Esther for bravely championing this cause! Thank you and please keep publishing more such research and enlightening discussions! This is meant as a positive feedback to Esther: She needs to slightly modulate her tone during the discussions and avoid abrupt changes such as interruptions while the other person is talking.

[@kasinathan9489]

Hinduism is the best religion in the world🙏

[@pradeepkumarnalla]

This channel deserves a large viewership.

[@vankat4271]

Then share it

[@vsbnat3333]

Bible CONSTANTLY hound HUMAN mind creating a FEAR PSYCHOSIS by claiming he is a SINNER BY BRITH ...

[@vsbnat3333]

The most funny claim of bible is that GOD will judge you by your ACTION listed in the Bible....

[@balakrishnanramaneyah4921]

God does not judge us.From the scientific research done on Near Death Expereinces it is very clear that when we die it is our oen Consciousness(atma) that judges our actions.We are the Co-creators of our reality.We are responsible for all our actions and create our Karma

[@RCDUP]

Esther ki Love your videos.please make more.Awesome content.🙏🙏

[@vsbnat3333]

Bible first chapter says ... The spirit of God was floating above the water... The question is who saw the spirit floating above the water and wrote it down in the book....

[@Arunkumar-pg5sd]

They say it's "Moses"

[@kalyanis4918]

Obsessed with the concept of sin . Quite disturbing.

[@ankitanand8211]

Amazing questions

[@Prasannakumar-yk7bf]

The cross, idols of Jesus, Mary are idols as well making all Christians Idol worshippers.

[@Sathia_Remix]

He is razor sharp, precisely incisive His voice seems deceptively docile But he can wreak havoc given space and time and tools

[@omadayebesan2498]

Esther,I admire ur thirst for knowledge.I share ur disgust of christian aggression against Hindus.My mother was a Hindu.Do they also target muslims in India?

[@SurinderKumar-yx3eh]

I wish written text of Mr. Tiger's voice also appears on the screen

[@bernardmiezan361]

My problem is why even a (BAD TREE)in a holy Garden of EDEN, period

[@winstonbachan3921]

Looking For The One Lost Sheep! 🕉

[@thrinethran2885]

Who determined that the price of a God's power to redeem the sinner is that God's tormented death in the world? Why depend on a Saviour's blood for redemption and worship the instrument of his torture?

[@jawaharlalnehru4623]

Born sinner is the biggest human right violation

[@beharelaldhar9204]

Prostelysation is like tying an innocent animal in stable for life long servitude!

[@aussiein]

Christan pastors have double the depression rates as compared to the general population in California according a study done recently. This probably is a result of the deep-rooted belief that they are a sinner.

[@therighteousrighthand]

can you point me to this study please?

[@bhaveshdk]

Om.

[@jayakrishnanm7838]

Namaste

[@tanvisuchi248]

It is obvious from your talk that Jesus is a historical figure....

[@spiyengar6769]

Tanvi Suchi Not quite. “ as early as 1836 in the Anacalypsis of Godfrey Higgins, who saw the mystery rites of Dionysus as at the root of the Christos myth. In his opinion Bacchus-Dionysus: … was born of a virgin on the 25th of December; he performed great miracles for the good of mankind; particularly one in which he changed water into wine; he rode in a triumphal procession on an ass; he was put to death by the Titans, and rose again from the dead on the 25th of March: he was always called the Saviour. In his mysteries, he was shown to the people, as an infant is by the Christians at this day, on Christmas Day morning in Rome. “ from andrewcollins.com/page/articles/Jesus.htm A story with astronomical connotations and pagan baccanalia. Not historical at all but myth. How come it ties so closely with astronomy and the Sun?

[@spiyengar6769]

There are many inexplicable ideas in Christianity. Original sin is the first one. Applies to babies too. Jesus took punishment for all humans including those yet to be born, an absurd idea that punishment is transferable to others now and other space and time unlike any physical law. Common law forbids it. Your karma is your own. All it requires to go to heaven is belief in Jesus Christ. Just belief? The main aim is to collect souls by converting others to belief in Christ. What is the point of this? Jesus is the only god? Or god = (Jesus + Holy Ghost + Father)/3 ?

[@LambrettaFunk]

Fascinating stuff, there are contradictions to the Hebrew Adam & Eve story, but as the Jews are non evangelical, they must interact with these contradictions within their own traditions and with no external interference.

[@hidvk]

Human beings are born with sins of many past lives is eternal truth. Knowledge of past life sin is explained in Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-Gita. Bible has limitation, it was preached 2000 to 4000 years ago to mlechas/ yavanas (meat eaters) who cannot understand deep things of God’s creation.

[@RK-dj4xb]

Humans(Jeeva) do not carry only sins from past lives, it carries both papa & punya(non-translatable). Bible does not talk about punya at all.

[@thrinethran2885]

We come with a collection of papa and punya and have a chance of being freed from both, or taking better or worse future lives. More logical. And here they only said "Satyam vada, Dharmam chara ". They knew that the mind being obsessed with sin was negative and problematic.

[@saundaryasingh5530]

Well done, go ahead 👍

[@SSSRRR999]

Name of the book please, Provide the book in PDF

[@steventiger880]

The book is "Doctrine Impossible." My website www.rationality-and-faith.com has a description of the book, excerpts, and a link to the Amazon site; it is available as an e-book for Kindle device and also in paperback.

[@vijnanabandhu2167]

Why would an omnipotent and perfect God suffer from mortal & human afflictions like desire, anger, wrath, vengeance, etc. ? why would he create imperfect creatures if imperfect actions anger him so much that he punishes several generations for the 'crime' of a single person? Whoever created the christian God's character was pathetic at philosophizing or he wasn't any more smart than grade 5 kid.

[@thrinethran2885]

Indeed, a wrathful, vengeful God constantly seeking violence and blood sacrifice from his creation! It could only have been for conversion of the Jews that Christians persisted with the OT God

[@kushaq1173]

Great thing is writer is not atheist. That means great human being

[@hitanpadam390]

Hi Mam Great work

[@hariompathak5784]

❤️❤️❤️

[@tprakash7349]

Whether the Christain God is same as that of Muslim? As, Both Moses, Abraham and many other prophets are mentioned in both the religion. Just want clarification.

[@therighteousrighthand]

Islam denies the divinity of Jesus. So it cannot be the same.

[@tprakash7349]

@Abu taj md mahbub Ul alam Is Yahweh God mentioned in Christain holy book same God as that mentioned in Muslims Holy book?

[@vipravipra4486]

@@therighteousrighthand And Judaism and Islam don't have concet of original sin as God( El, Elohim or YHWH) had forgiven the Adam and Eve of their sin of eating fruit of tree of knowledge..

[@thescienceofspirituality5068]

Shiv Bhatia Look, it is very simple if you look at the core difference. Abrahamic religions following monotheism say that the divine is only transcendent. Polytheism says that the divine is only immanent. But hindu/vedic metaphysics sankhya (validated by experiment and embodied experience) says that the formless divine is both immanent and transcendent. When monotheism itself is flawed and based on blind belief, you don't have to worry about different names they give to their so called "god"

[@nikeshjha8877]

when was earth created by Christian God ? Jesus..4004BCE

[@sajucdaniel8872]

The gap between the first and second sentence in the Book of Genesis of the Bible is billions of years

[@ashishpatel350]

@@sajucdaniel8872 that is a lie.

[@AronAroniteOnlineTV]

From the Word go its absurd. God cannot be his own Son and simultaneously son of Joseph and messiah/ son of Joseph and Mary and rabbi/Son of God alone and yet king of Israel who must have genes of Moses! He can either be son of Joseph or Son of God but impossible to be by bloodline the Promised Messiah and the only begotten Son of God ! Genetics and common sense both get blown sky high and Faith in Contradiction required even granting such Miracle, an Illogical proposition otherwise called Absurdity! .

[@savitamahesh389]

@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 You try too hard, defending the indefendable.

[@jeanduggan1391]

If u look at some of the Hindu stories there r a lot of absurd tales as well

[@saundaryasingh5530]

👍🙏

[@rajeevgopal806]

There was a time when Rajiv Malhotra used to offer positive and productive talks, videos etc. I enjoyed his thoughts immensely. Not to mention I learnt much from him. Hope he goes back to being positive and productive.

[@savitamahesh389]

Well a truth is a truth, whether you view it as positive or negative. Giving positive spin on all and sundry is foolish and only serves as solace. If one is looking for solutions, the only option is to face the unpleasant facts of life. If you are only interested in soothing your ruffled feathers and live in denial that is your choice. But let me tell you there are people who want to understand the phenomenon and are interested in finding solutions. We owe that to our future generation.

[@rajiphilips5937]

In regard to original sin, do you believe in 7 births and why do a person need to go through 7 births, according to hinduism? Also please tell us the reason behind a person's birth in caste considered to be "untouchables" or even be born as a dog or a worm? Is this not much illogical than the original sin?

[@austin426512]

Not Caste but Jathi that is prevalent is human creation and if Hinduism is so strict with untouchables, we wouldn’t have elevated Valmiki and Vyasa from Dalit as a divine Maharshi. In present, Mata Amritananda Mayi who is from fisher women jathi, would have been opposed but you see high priests visit and accept her. The discrimination you see in villages is different, there they one want to establish dominance over others. But it is slowly changing

[@thescienceofspirituality5068]

Raji Phillips Even if there is untouchables - it is just a social construct created by Lord Risley ( a British agent) by distorting Varna (guna based on past karma) as birth based and combining it with jathi (occupational groups) based on race science. (used in Africa as well which led to Rwandan genocide) . This rigid structure was called as CASTE - which is a Portuguese word meaning racial hierarchy. So, obviously, why would hindus use a foreign word and create a rigid system based on it? It was done by your white masters. As far as 7 births are concerned, it is just a cosmic allegory for 7 states of consciousness. Moreover, hindu/vedic metaphysics around which dharmic traditions have been built can be well validated by logic, experiment (double slit quantum experiment) and embodied experience (focus + 112 meditation techniques). So called mythical stories or allegorical stories of hindu puranas represent laws of nature. None of the Abrahamic religions were built around any validated metaphysics which led to blind beliefs, fantasy stories, needless prophet or middle man/angels and creation of half baked responsibilities which violate balance of natural law or dharma due to lack of understanding of law of karma and reincarnation

[@ramang5400]

Is not a cross an idol? If a cylinder Shiva is an idol a cube even if located in one place is an idol. Is not Mary , Christ replicas we see in churches an idols. If a cylinder is is imaginatively pictured as phallus why one should one not imagine the cross as copulation itself, one long piece going into a short piece. There is no limit to imaginations. No offence meant.

[@justinkp348]

Those who are bowing down to the wooden cross is not a real christian ....

[@jeanduggan1391]

@Vidya so what ? Don't u not only put tons of flower and garlands on u r idols but also BATHE u r idols in milk.....? Remember something to each his own u practice u r rituals and ... mine

[@therighteousrighthand]

An idol is a man made object that is worshipped as God. What is worship? Worship is when you believe with your heart that the idol can hear you and answer your prayers. You bow down to it, bathe it, feed it, as if it is a real entity. Christian's do not worship the cross or the picture of Jesus. The picture or cross serves only as a reminder.

[@thescienceofspirituality5068]

@@therighteousrighthand But hindus don't worship. They focus + meditate on stone deities which are bathed and dressed up to act as attractive objects. Sanskrit mantra vibration is created in the background which helps them to momentarily transcend their 5 senses to experience the true self or formless divine or Shiva which is both immanent and transcendent. Hindu temples also serve as a symbolic representation of vedic metaphysics Sankhya which is well validated by logic, experiment (double slit quantum experiment) and embodied experience (focus + 112 meditation techniques). None of the Abrahamic religions were built around any credible metaphysics. It led to blind beliefs and needless prophets/angels etc

[@dangerspirit1861]

Try to translate in hindi too.

[@therighteousrighthand]

Stephen mentions a few points that dont make sense but ofcourse he is entitled to his opinions. The Bible is a book and is never worshipped. Idolatory is worshipping an object other that God. Sin is intentionally disobeying God and doing what is wrong in His sight. But God is love, understands our inability to resist sin and has made way for redemption. Adam and Eve were made perfect with free will to decide to obey. They willing chose to disobey God, even though they enjoyed His presence. They disobeyed and instead of asking for forgiveness they blamed others. However, Christianity is less about sin and more about the love of God and His act to redemption. Peter says the early Christian's did not follow cunning man made stories but they were eyewitnesses to the majesty of Jesus. Peace of Christ be with you.

[@thescienceofspirituality5068]

The Righteous Right Hand Hindus don't "worship" stone deities or images but instead they focus + meditate on them while sanskrit mantra vibration is being created in the background which helps them to transcend their 5 senses to connect with the true self or Shiva (formless divine) which is both immanent and transcendent. Abrahamic religions say that divine is only transcendent based on blind monotheistic belief. Polytheism says divine is only immanent but the well validated Vedic/dharmic metaphysics Sankhya says formless divine is both immanent and transcendent. Vedic metaphysics Sankhya can be validated by logic, experiment (double slit quantum experiment) and embodied experience (focus + 112 meditation techniques) None of the Abrahamic religions were built around any validated metaphysics which led to blind beliefs, fantasy stories, needless prophet or middle man/angels and creation of half baked responsibilities which violate balance of natural law or dharma due to lack of understanding of law of karma and reincarnation

[@shravankumar2061]

Before accepting Jesus i did one sin that is pornography after accepting Jesus also i did more sin than before no change in my heart

[@Arunkumar-pg5sd]

Jesus never said accepting him will make u lead a sinless life.

[@thescienceofspirituality5068]

@@Arunkumar-pg5sd Yeah because he never existed

[@nike4180]

Esther bring people who understand Christian Theology. Don't bring guys like Steven who has been visiting various churches and picked some notes along the way and writes a book. He does not not have basic understanding of Christian Theology.

[@steventiger880]

My understanding of Christian theology is at least adequate according to many current and former Christians, including clergy. But thank you for watching.

[@SaneLiesbuster]

@@steventiger880 🤣🤣 You have not reckoned with a *convert's zeal*

[@dr.k.t.varughese3151]

Both of you are not trying to understand or discuss the teachings of Jesus.What you learned from false preachers and readings quoting independent of the teachings of Jesus are the reason for your rebellion. What is wrong with the teachings of Jesus like love your neighbor, believe in God, sell your property for the sake of poor, a couple is united by God and so shouldn't divorce, and even if you lust in mind it is equal to adultery. How can the teachings of Jesus be inferior to any other religion.

[@thescienceofspirituality5068]

Teachings based on monotheism is flawed

[@dharmayogaashram979]

Esther? Is that not a Christian name?

[@warrio617]

She is an ex Christian

[@nike4180]

I won't take this Steven seriously. He is not quite sure about what he is saying. Even Hinduism has sacred books and infallibility applies to these books also, isn't it??Damned to hell is wrong, he says. So how would karma and reincarnation apply?? How would class system apply because of one's karma?? Steven is presenting baseless arguments. It's bordering on nonsense.

[@chakravaham]

Karma and rebirth is purely birth on our own actions - our next birth, our experiences are not handed out by God, but by the law of karma. What other explanation can you give for our varied experiences?

[@steventiger880]

I have no comment on Hindu beliefs; my book and my talks focus on doctrinal Christianity.

[@soulmortal142]

Plz change ur hair style 😄