Orion Reacts to Making Hot Bimbos Look Dumb on Whatever Podcast

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[@zensvlognotapro]

Good morning to both of you and guys and ladies of the channel 🌄 My advise to Orion if he wants to have a kid then decide now, if he doesn't make himself sure because for me it's good to spend more time with kid when he's still young. #unsolicitedadvise😊

[@terrodar19]

Rich you picked probably the best person for your show. The dialog is excellent

[@jays7318]

Agreed!

[@devilsadvocacy]

As you might guess, @psychacks’s channel has a lot of really good content

[@simonhimself1]

Orion has good red pill takes without the cringe of “manosphere” alpha wannabes. It’s refreshing to hear higher IQ conversations in this space. Thank you gentlemen!

[@jcransome5616]

rich is king of cringe...UNPLUGgED geriatric

[@kevinreily2529]

Who is Orion?

[@Poussyeater-w5e]

​@@kevinreily2529the other guy in this video

[@darbyohara]

It’s not higher iq. It’s the same. He just says it in a way you like it

[@M0SSADDID911]

@@darbyoharahe explains these concepts in a tempered and respectful manner which so many in the manosphere don’t

[@M0SSADDID911]

This guy is absolutely brilliant on psych concepts. Hope Rich has him on again. Can’t believe I’d never previously seen this dude.

[@edwardwallace1633]

As a divorced 56 year old man I don’t see a reason to get married again I gave a copy of your book to my son because I don’t want him to rush into marriage If he just gets the red flags part that’s great

[@ellasoes8325]

What's your advice for him regarding having children ?

[@josephzsoka874]

@@ellasoes8325 It's simple, use Rich Cooper's book to identify women with red flags, women with emotional damage, and women who run around giving their vagina's to bad boys. The rest is easy. Which one are you Ma'am ?

[@osher7788]

you have so many laws in place that protect women either way. fact is many states have laws in place that even if you dont get married, you will still get screwed over by family law. depending on various factors.

[@caeaves]

​@osher7788 a man can hire a surrogate

[@SaveYourselfGents]

​@@ellasoes8325 Build his life and secure his future is the advice. "Serious" relationships before 35 is no-no for a young man trying to set his foundation.

[@threeriversforge1997]

As much as I agree with staying away from marriage and kids, now that I'm a geezer, I really wish I'd taken that risk even if it meant being burned. Life as an old man without kids is extremely hollow. Who cares if you write a book or travel the world? As soon as you're dead, all that means nothing. Even if you write a really good book, you're dead and that book slowly fades into obscurity. Kids.... that's the real legacy. The kids are the ones who will be telling your story to others, good or bad. The kids are the ones who inherit all that you've built up and continue the legacy that all of your ancestors worked so hard to build.

[@chipcook5346]

Exactly. These two think they know, but they don't know. It's best that they not have kids.

[@jacobsmith8377]

All is ash in the end. Sounds like your having a hard time accepting impermanence/mortality to me.

[@3308redar]

​@@jacobsmith8377sounds like your comment is right on point. OP is having difficulty coming to terms with his mortality

[@TheR1zzard0f0z]

Orion and Rich Cooper is the most sobering clash of personalities. Not too Red Pill. More Evidence focused. Rich generally is good. But sometimes he gets a bit too negative and misses the forest for the trees.

[@darbyohara]

Rich is old and disconnected from reality. He just sees it from the internet. He erroneously continues to think women aren’t as mentally brainwashed as they really are

[@cam6887]

Couldn’t agree more. For example his take on tattoos.

[@kauetadaieski3131]

Red Pill isnthe truth, nothing less. Too much truth seems to hurt you.

[@TheR1zzard0f0z]

@@kauetadaieski3131 there is a huge difference between "truth" and tautologies. And being negative dude.

[@Nice_Person7379]

@@kauetadaieski3131the reason the red pill was formed was to get to the truth and that it also was a natural response to third wave feminism. People in the red pill space who are too angry and who dont look at evidence unlike Psychacks end up being hypocritical to their ideology.

[@ephraimwinslow]

The fascination (initially) with those podcasts is how familiar the typical responses given are to most men. The sense of deja vu is overpowering at first, and it really does help a lot of guys understand how women think a lot better. Yeah it's click bait-y content that involves getting less than brilliant guests drunk and asking them formulaic questions, but it has its value none the less.

[@alfredocornelio4329]

I doubt the podcast gets them drunk since it is annoying and makes for horrible audio experience for the listeners no different than with Fresh And Fit. That's just how women talk now with the eternal vocal fry and braindead/1000 cock stares. Some might get buzzed from weed. I think a couple of them have shown up too stoned and Brian had them removed or never back again, i don't recall. But it is a liability so I doubt he wants to go thru that hassle and then be blamed that he gets them liquored up and give ammo to anyone that hates on male content.

[@Carman-2012]

If a male has 5 hrs to watch a podcast he really needs to find something better to do 👍

[@SuprSaint70]

Think of how many hours a female spends doing makeup in a lifetime. Painting a face to fake an appearance. She shouldn't be worrying about what men are doing.

[@LetsLearnEconomic]

That's the thing. You don't need a red pill or rich cooper to understand the obvious. Women and men both have wants and needs. And women and men navigate society and life completely different and must be aware of their resources and responsibilities. That's it. This youtuber just wants to milk a vulnerable community of men rather than actually help men be men lol.

[@robbillington1982]

If men want help in the dating market read the system:dating dictionary

[@darbyohara]

Never heard of multitasking?

[@Carman-2012]

@@darbyohara Yep. That's a female term of looking busy and not accomplishing much at all 👍

[@TheZooBrooksAB]

"you can have kids outside of marriage" Sure, but dont think common law (living together outside of wedlock) is the answer. More and more jurisdictions are making sure there is no distinction between the two, as far as legality goes.

[@br4morse7]

18 consecutive minutes of envious Rich trying to throw shade at his competition.

[@andrewglover9769]

Hardly, he's spot on. Whatever/Fresh and Fit are incel porn. Andrew the borderline christian cultist yelling/talking over(yet indignantly complains when he is talked over). Brian can barely keep a thought in his head longer than five seconds and constantly loses track of the subject matter. These shows ARE Jerry Springer wannabe's, just look at the women they have on.

[@nojizyatax]

Yes, agreed.

[@furtrapper11]

It’s intended to bring back shame as a motivation for good female behavior

[@VanishPenguin]

I know Brian personally, starting from his pranking days. He actually started his red pill journey in pick-up when it was still prevalent (RSDnation). Brian's content is not really educational and nuanced like Rich's and a few others. It is PURELY business-driven and entertainment. Can't knock him, he found his niche

[@Poussyeater-w5e]

So you're saying he doesn't believe the things he says?

[@monk4ever]

Lies.

[@fionared8240]

What I’ve seen of Brian, he’s the feminized, soft hands, soft spoken, skinny guy that most women are not attracted to. He is purely business and any man who consumes Redpill content should be able to smell him out. Come on now.

[@criostoirashtin11]

@@fionared8240 He's loaded now, so he's laugh all the way to the bank

[@VancouverInvestor]

​@fionared8240 He's rich and entertaining. And he brings on Andrew and Chase to speak the truth so you know where he stands even if he isn't the most confrontational. I wish he was more like Myron as well. But Myron is Myron and Andrew makes lots of women irate.

[@sammencia7945]

No one is "making these women look dumb". They are doing that all by themselves.

[@bustervoodoo8125]

This talking point gets repeated so often, I think it's just a way to try to appease women who are angered by these shows. Why don't people understand that the issue is simply that none of these women can just say "you know what, maybe I'm wrong"?

[@shanerowe84]

The real OG is Patrice Oneal

[@peterkoch3777]

💯 He had the p¡mp mindset❤

[@BillTheConquerer]

I remember listening to Tom Leykis on Seattle radio in the late 90s.

[@andrewmackenzie325]

Tom is the OG of OGs.

[@andrewglover9769]

Me too, loved that show.

[@w3s77]

Rich is realizing he is doing nothing new, Leeks played this for 30+ years, didn't change anything. It's all show.

[@jasoncooper4737]

The whatever podcast may not have been the ideal setting for asking the questions posed, but it was a very viral way to get the questions out into broader society at least. Unless you do it in a entertaining way, picking relationship dynamics apart in conversation isn't very sexy- thus the marketing/branding being necessary to get it out there.

[@1989Mordwin]

A good use case for watching those podcasts is for men to familiarize themselves with the double standards, as well as learning to argue in their own favor when they are on the negative side of those double standards. It can help establish boundaries. On the bad side, the dating podcast panels inspires a lot of pessimism, but I suppose a little bit of pessimism is necessary to gain street smarts.

[@roses6564]

Great insight, Dr. Orian, about the male fantasy. No doubt explains the viewership.

[@cg5648]

Rich, you are missing a very important point: there is a never ending supply of these gals.

[@aleksanderg3606]

So maybe the worst thing in US divorce law are lawyers' fees.

[@devilsadvocacy]

I vote for “jail for not paying child support”, in effect a debtor’s prison, for that dubious distinction

[@mackmoore9044]

Amen!!!

[@peterkoch3777]

In the grand scheme, lawyer fees are peanuts😂

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Judges and states get a percentage of the funds they extort via family court orders!

[@flightrisk753]

Yes

[@muskokamike127]

I see the benefit so that men can see how some women truly think of men. Like the one who destroyed a man for fun. "oh yeah I got him to fall in love with me then I bailed, just to see if I could do it. Same as the strippers that go on there "GUYS YOU'RE A WALLET FOR STRIPPERS THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU".

[@Ka_Gg]

I think those podcasts just show how some women think. And let's be real, a big reason those podcasts are popular is because for years, many men have heard they should "shut up and listen" or how they are shamed for their standards/wants. Now, it's kind of thrown back on some women. But yeah you don't really get much from them. You will get so much more out of Rich and Orion. It is cracking me up seeing all these newer random guys doing it. I'm not talking about Brian. i'm talking about a bunch of wannabe Brians. It's like some 19 yr old boys trying to do it as if they understand life.

[@tess7798]

I should get into the Nursing Home business! The amount of singles - both men and women - determined to stay that way, is staggeringly high. It costs A LOT of money to hire someone to wipe your ass when you can’t.

[@JudeKnowsWhatYouDoNot]

lolol

[@octavius9685]

Tom Leykis was red pill before the fucking Matrix. I started listening to him in the 90's in middle school. I never thought it would take 2 decades for the stuff he was talking about to gain traction

[@andrewglover9769]

The Whatever shows are five hours long because they have to film that long to make three 20 minute shows of any interest. They then take those three 20 min shows and make three two minute clips.

[@ZachLwry]

Rich is so salty about losing market share

[@Dbo_Sports]

Yes this was a very embarrassing interview for both of them. Orion was able to get publicity for his channel on F&F, while spewing the same talking points as Rollo. And Rich living in a dream world, actually spewing the notion that the women on these podcasts are not indicative of the women in the dating pool. They both don’t understand, that all men needed to do was hear women talk, while not also trying to date them. Kevin Samuels, F&F, Pearl and Whatever allows men to hear women’s psychosis and their foolish logic. So that a pattern can be established. To me, this interview was simply embarrassing.

[@johnnyjones5385]

another way of putting it.... He's either a snob or allowed feminism to control his channel. Most men like things raw and not toned police by a bunch of Karens. Go to any construction site. Bunch of dudes paying each other out and having a good time.

[@tess7798]

There is an epidemic of loneliness in the world already, that is going to get much worse. I think Dr Taraban is brilliant, but I am concerned about points of view that champion separation of the genders instead of finding solutions to bring people together.

[@awesomeness24158]

Very insightful comment - a great refreshment from these comments.

[@Everydayslave]

The act of discussing the topics and separating the sexes is the solution to fix the problem. Individuals need to self reflect to change when information or viewpoints are introduced they're not familiar with.

[@YouTube_Handler]

This was a good conversation. But No, it isn’t just “Bimbos”. It is exposing the mindset of modern women on the dating market for men. These are important conversations to have and for the first time men are able to voice their opinions freely also. We’ve had decades of women giving their opinions on relationships and power dynamics. It is absolutely a representation of modern women and their mindsets because the opinions are ubiquitous in the dating market. There are many truths that come out of these conversations. Yes, it is entertainment, but it also has some value that helps men understand women better also.And the longer these women speak, the more they tell on themselves. Kevin Samuels was very good at doing this live with callers and it helped a lot of men and women. The value is that it helps men protect themselves - especially younger men.

[@LarryNgetich]

I have applied what Hoe_math and Psychacks teach and it really works. Though it's harder than what other men's content creators teach, it's more sustainable.

[@AustinKloud]

It’s like “girls gone wild” combined with “The View” ….. a train wreck.

[@celticc9580]

The difference with Jerry Springer and these podcasts is that nobody thought JS was an accurate representation of society. People think these entertainment podcasts are.

[@wishpunk9188]

I'm worried these extreme examples do in fact represent the whole. The whole of the race that is... not simply a gender. Ghetto culture, gangster culture, tiktok educated, safety in numbers sums it up.

[@darbyohara]

They do. It’s a real representation of attractive women

[@darbyohara]

They do. It’s a real representation of attractive women

[@brianmcg321]

All you have to do to make a woman look dumb is the be quite and let them talk.

[@dennisryan6370]

and being quiet too...works.

[@ladybooksmith3347]

Oh Dear, it sounds like you have rotten taste in women.

[@john83me14]

Rich, these are regular 18-30yr old women. The “mature” women are typically post wall and men are NOT interested in dating them. 😮

[@jcransome5616]

he can't get either

[@darbyohara]

Exactly. This conversation shows neither of these men have dated or interacted with women

[@shaymalchione809]

They’re social media chicks average women are not like that.

[@devilsadvocacy]

Typically a woman does not fully mature until she hits the Wall, or otherwise is rendered incapable of leveraging her sexuality to get what she wants

[@john83me14]

@@devilsadvocacy That is so true! Girls I went to high school and college with had HORRIBLE personalities. But now we are in our early 30's they have gone from 9-10s to 6s or 7s they are so pleasant to talk to 🤣

[@Kwanka69]

This is the best clip I’ve seen from the pod cast Rich did with Dr Taraban. The comments are thoughtful and not overly opinionated even a bit stoic which is what men should be.

[@davidturner1641]

sorry, but this seems like a hybrid of truth and not offending youtube and the powers that be.... purple pill? i dont like pills so i prefer truth and propaganda if you get out and date you will see that 80% of single men arent able to date.... and that 90% of women are throwing themselves at only10% of men so the Whatever podcast is close to what MOST men are seeing in the REAL dating scene

[@chrisstephens4935]

Rich sounds so jealous of that show this guy was on

[@johnjagodzinski4242]

Theese girls are really like that.ho many podcast tv shows do they make guys look bad

[@jasonbirchoff2605]

First off psyhacks is awesome and insightful. However, his commentary on whatever is a bit off base. Largely because he doesnt really watch it. The value of whatever and fresh and fit is not seeing women get put down. The value actually is when you have watched a couple episodes and you can see there are different kinds of women from the extreme sex worker to the regular college girl to the career woman. Yet they all have the same incorrect answers to the questions. Thats the real value of the show because while the extreme women on the podcast are not the norm. You can quickly see from the variety that do come on that there is no deliniation anymore. Since shaming a woman for bad decision and choices is off the table. Women do not have anyway to partition away the bad women and tell men hey they dont represent us. Because if they did so they would have to accept they are shaming those women for their behavior. So while psyhacks is right they arent the norm. They do share the same beliefs about how they think the world works. Put another way. Not all women are hoes. But the normal women are standing so close to the hoes that it is really hard to tell the difference.

[@tonydiesel3444]

MOST LADYS ARE LIKE THAT

[@darbyohara]

This is 💯 true

[@PeteOutdoors1]

The psychologist's views on marriage are unbelievably destructive. He is shaped by his parent's experience and selfishness. Marriage is for children, period. It has nothing to do with love or anything else. He dismisses the sacrifice men make and gives a pass to women who have forsaken their duties in marriage for selfish pleasures and gains. No discussion of no-fault divorce, which utterly devastates men in divorces. No discussion of how feminism has destroyed the family (i..e, patriarchy). Marriage is not a good deal for men nowadays, but the reason is that women are out of control and the laws have been stacked against men.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

If you watch Orion’s KZbin channel, he describes marriage as “a very humble institution for raising children.” So he agrees with you, on that part.

[@thomasblackcraft]

If you’re watching 5 hours of anything daily you don’t have a social life……

[@yourfavoritespartan8841]

I would agree, unless it is educational content

[@thomasblackcraft]

@@yourfavoritespartan8841Yes! You’re right! How could anyone possibly be on their grind but they’re watching ten hours of footage ( between two podcasts ) a day? Lol….

[@yourfavoritespartan8841]

@thomasblackcraft On top of that point people shouldn't even be watching educational content unless necessary. Listen while pursuing greatness!

[@thomasblackcraft]

@@yourfavoritespartan8841 Exactly!

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

That includes Sports as well, right?

[@Northwestbeard420]

Zero point to I get married. Living with a woman full time is tuff enough.

[@dolphin069]

Why would you cohabit if you not married? Absolutely crazy.

[@rajsel8761]

​@@dolphin069 Exactly most nations have " common law"" so it's like marriage.

[@goodtalker]

Rich was talking about relationships and how men will feel "validated" because they finally, come to their senses, and recognize they have found themselves--in relationship--with a world of shit to have to deal with. IMHO, this is nothing new. In the fiction of Adam and Eve, you get the felling--REAL QUICK-- that this women has a plan FOR YOUR ASS, and you better be damn careful how you proceed! A good friend often says to me that if you don't have a little bit of spirituality in that male brain of yours, you will easily discover that your own "blindness" to the opposite sex will be your doom. He often says, "Men are not afraid of women; but they easily become AFRAID OF THE STATE!" Thanks for reading.

[@sofiebergqvist5151]

Whats the point if your not having kids? Just beeing a good little ”earner” and then die?

[@keetzb2615]

Women weren’t allowed to have their own credit card until 1970 something. The husband had to co-sign. I think that’s why so many women were married. Once that law changed, a lot of divorce

[@PSAqi6kh]

Yep…. We don’t have to stay in bad marriages

[@MrSears_1.618]

The Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974. Some banks issued credit to women and some did not. Specifically, banks discounted the income of women of child-bearing age. The law simply made it illegal to discriminate based on sex and other factors. The law did not make it possible. Now everyone is legally able to accrue as much debt as they can based on credit score.

[@natantataii8195]

@@PSAqi6kh Go Live a little.... DO IT hahaha .... because you deserve it

[@4tonmike]

Unfortunately we haven't been responsible with that debt. We might as well be cattle at this point.

[@philippegauthier9692]

that podcast , you got cheater player men that tell women how they should behave to be good wive . will those men will never married ......... that something i will never understand . . the irony is women want men like that

[@hgfw9295]

Commited relationship without marriage yes until they want children. If they want children then marriage is better.

[@meowmeow1733]

Fail on Cooper.... He talks about Tom Likus,...but didn't mention Patrice O Neal. Thank you to the man for remembering him.

[@planb9453]

I need to buy a new shirt!

[@JoeSchmoe-mp3pm]

In the end, women simply see men as resources. All of the family laws also simply men as resources. So, why bother unless you truly think you’re only valuable for the resources that women demand?

[@Marwadear512]

About if marriage still works or is still needed - a lot depends upon who you are. For religious people, yes. For non-religious, not unless they want the tax breaks and easier insurance, etc. But gay people worked awfully hard to have the right to marry so it must be serving some type of positive purpose. I remarried quite easily despite being a 42 yr/old single mom of 2 upon my divorce, leaving a marriage of 20 years for good reason that almost anybody in the world would consider to be valid, after many many years of trying to make it work. Then found my new husband almost immediately. He’s exactly my age, has his kids on the weekends, close to your “6666” stated ideal except he’s 5’10”, still super attractive, physically fit cause works out at the gym, full head of black hair, is masculine - hunts, fishes, high quality professional friends (mostly professors, engineers and surgeons); my boys say he’s a Gigachad. His last wife is 8 years younger than me. She gave him a BRUTAL divorce that financially destroyed him. So why’s he willing to marry me and risk it all again? 1) Biggest one - we’re Muslim. No sex before marriage. Ok, but especially as a Muslim man he can find a much younger woman right? And despite his financial setback he still earns 6 figures and has his retirement and will turn out fine. So why me? 2) I have my own money. A million of it. So YES this does matter - even though by our religion my money is mine alone and he has to pay for everything, he knows he could take more from me than I could from him in a divorce. There’s safety for him. And he doesn’t have to worry about me and my retirement etc. 3) I’m a SAHM - sees me as a good mom for his kids. 4) I might be too old for more kids. I can’t baby trap him and then rape him for all I can for the next 18 years. Attention will only go to the kids he has. My kids are fully paid for and they’re honestly really good kids. No problems with them. 5) I’m in my mid-40s now but I’m still attractive. (Yes yes - FOR MY AGE! - and of course I’m not stupid, I know these other points are factors for marrying me, that other single moms don’t have) 6) I cook 7) I’m submissive 8) I don’t have social media 9) I’m a good mom, so he said he’d like to have my kid even if I accidentally did become pregnant 10) He knows my ex’s family and knows about our divorce and how it was amicable and how I tried not to do him wrong and so they all still love me as family. This is more safety for him. 11) I can move location to where he is (he can’t move cause of kids) 12) We have the same interests and I’m not codependent Ok so conclusion - give a man a reason to marry (no sex before marriage, but this has to be a social thing again); give him financial safety; care about his masculine needs and his well-being; take care of yourself; honestly be a good mom, and yes men will commit, even a hot man in his prime to a 40-something divorced single mom. Oh ya, and cut out all the emotional issues. Too many women make everything negative and dramatic. You all aren’t victims. Stop it.

[@devilsadvocacy]

In the US, federal law provides more than 3000 benefits, mostly written into the tax codes, for married couples

[@sculptureshard377]

For me, the best of Tom Lykus were the shows in which he invited really ticked of Tom-haters to phone into his show and rant and rave at him. Some of the callers became inflamed and would scream at him; this was a hoot.

[@luckyjayakody]

It's so disappointing to see that most of the red pill podcasts have become just another version of sitcoms. Most of these podcasts bring in these low life, worst kind of women out there like OF models, porn actresses, escorts, strippers at a cost; and make some fun with them by trolling them and at the same time trying to educate them why they are bad women. Its like educating a lion on why he should not eat meat. The participant too will undergo any humiliation because, one thing they get paid for it and at the same time they have got used to it well. There are quality women out there, but they are boring. They won't make enough return to the podcast organizers. Instead of these low quality women, they need to bring in women who stood with their men in every hardship of their lives, women who balanced their family lives as well as the professional lives successfully, women who delivered real value to the world etc.

[@monk4ever]

Ok, blue-pilled simp. Believe your own lies.

[@shaymalchione809]

It is a shame cause I feel like there are real conversations that are needed between both genders & it’s just not happening.

[@DG123z]

I like truth seeking through public discourse but when it becomes something other than that.. then no one wins bc no one grows

[@peterkoch3777]

I like that asian chick with the pickelhaube🤣

[@ICFUBAR]

Superb interview that covered a lot of issues for men and by corollary for women. Couldn't help but notice that relationships without marrying, common law, can legally carry the same consequences if cohabitating and that both Rich and Orion are in LTRs but not cohabitating. Unfortunately there have been some cases where even non cohabitating LTRs have been treated like common law relations with dire consequences for some men. This, if it becomes a legal trend will really make prenups mandatory for all LTRs. To its logical extension perhaps even STRs if commitment was on the table at any point, as this used to be the case with the breaking of engagements.

[@criostoirashtin11]

Even if you aren't married, the government will class you as a common law relationship

[@RobDaCajun]

I’ve been banned from threads for quoting Orion. It’s amazing how vitriolic people get going against the “group think”.

[@CapriciousBlackBox]

Clickbait title.....sounds a little Springer-esque to me. Glass houses and all that. Women on OF are "business women" now? A little too white-knight for my taste. Howard Stern's a "nice guy?" I've seen enough lol.

[@devilsadvocacy]

16:41 There is no way to minimize the risk. I saw no point to having kids, and opted out. I’ve never looked back on that decision

[@melishek0001]

A couple of know it alls playing on the surface.

[@grimecrimetime]

Whatever pod is good at what it does. Why are you so against it? Jealous?

[@matthewkeating-od6rl]

you just know the amount of bibos in santa babara ca one of those college campuses is ranked in the top 10 of ........ party colleges.

[@robertgallegos6414]

Orion and his Psychhacks (spelling?) Channel is great. I think he has a very articulate and well-thought out approach, albeit jaded, on dating and relationships. He's a respectable and intelligent guy. Good one to have on your show

[@countryboyred]

The line between being jaded and just being realistic is so blurred I’m not sure it even exists

[@JimmyMFP]

I think a lot of it is just reconnaissance - listening to what women themselves say; it’s probably why women’s channels covering manosphere stuff have exploded in popularity. The issue is, the women that generally come on podcasts as guests aren’t being their authentic selves, or in fact are and are simply an extremist. Fortunately then men can work out how crazy crazy is at the moment, judge if there’s been improvement on a macro scale, and work out which red flags to look for in how women behave. I don’t think it’s about the ‘gotcha moments’ particularly.

[@4tonmike]

Women don't even need to get on podcasts, they have Tiktok

[@your247support]

Wh care about his reaction? Why the hell with this people reacting? Like these dudes are somebody with don’t even know there backgrounds

[@NoobMaster-fi2ho]

The bald guy doesnt know the show. Whatever podcast usually has half traditional women and half modern women

[@brendalalicker4855]

Cliché or fact not sure, there's a scene in the film Moneyball where the scouts devalue and question the self-confidence of a player based on his girlfriend's appearance. Could that be the point of the bombshell approach in podcasting? Young men surrounded by beautiful women confers male value between men, especially from older men. From the very little I watched before moving on, they seemed to be impersonating old-timers through the tone of their questions - fun or otherwise. Whatever seemed to be a very appropriate name for their show.

[@JonCyrCom]

A nice discussion... why would we accept a state-derived contract of marriage. Any marriage contract should be mutually agreed upon before the commitment... and it shouldnt sway with public sentiment or divorce courts. Both partners needs should be discovered and satisfied in the contract before marriage. A life commitment... the word marriage has been corrupted. Having a contract that rewards failure more than success is a recipe for disaster.

[@SamadhiStudios]

It doesn't take a genius to hear the complete contempt for woman seep through every pore of Brian's skin. Yes we have an issue on our hands but angry posturing and whining gets boring after awhile.

[@NoobMaster-fi2ho]

Fresh and fit are con men is the difference. Literally copyright claim specialist

[@tonydiesel3444]

Never marry these 304s ever

[@nojizyatax]

Common law marriage is very much a road to ruin as well. Know the law and stay single fellas.

[@niledunn1542]

Really loved this segment Thanks Rich

[@mooinabc1]

Not do attractive with Mack up is off.

[@srt11111]

while the manosphere was infested by "pick-me girls", theatrical wanna be alpha males and ignorant/rude incels, this is the podcast we all needed.. just 2 very competent men having a civil exchange of deep subjects... what many manosphere-youtubers forgot that the recipe for a good (and life changing) podcast is very simple, as you can see here.

[@johnnyjones5385]

comparing "whatever" and "fresh and fit" to Jerry Springer is exremely unfair. Jerry Springer had nothing to offer than just entertainment. These shows have a lot of info for the audience in an entertaining way... Sounds like your been femanised or a snob. Trying to tone police the show.... A lot of dudes like thing raw. We don't femanise our words or tone. Go to any constraction site. Men having a good old time using inapropiate words and insulting each other.

[@TheGoldenCapstone]

Nothing to offer?! Jerry's Thoughts at the end were very insightful! How dare you, sir!

[@thesixCanada]

thats the kind of red pill I like

[@Junoj101]

This is the best guest that you have ever had on your show Rich. The questions are great because I like when more and more unplugged men share their setup openly without any stigma, using logic and facts. I am unplugged and have been married before, I do not see any benefit of getting married at all for a man, I love the idea that I can walk away at any time and I have my own place (this is very powerful because the space in between gives her room to miss you). if she starts acting up, all I have to do is give the more space. The kids question is something that I have to think about and my GFs are usually age 28-30 . . . and after some time with me all start singing the "I want kids" song.

[@cantonold7014]

fresh fit and full of...

[@farawayranger8489]

I like Orion a lot. He’s extremely well-spoken, intelligent and I agree with virtually everything he says. Unfortunately, his take on having kids is misguided because he has had terrible role models in his life when it comes to creating a family. I have friends who love being fathers and say it’s the best thing to ever happen to them that also travel the world consistently. It’s possible, but his take is just off base completely.

[@fitnesspoint2006]

They love being fathers because its an intrinsic biological drive for most men to love being fathers, afterall its their DNA repackaged. They have no other choice, which is not really a choice.

[@TheBigdutchster]

The whatever show is entertaining and is a bimbo-fest. I feel that Brian should relocate from Santa Barbara to more of the center of America and make more effort to get regular women on the show as well as the bimbos for more balance. Madison is the girl with the kaiser helmet on, she was on the panel several times, including an appearance with her BF, and now has evolved her role into a backup host for Brian and for some comic relief. She is actually a pretty level-headed and attractive girl. And I'll add that not every platform on KZbin is educational nor does it have to be and there is no requirement to send a message.

[@monk4ever]

The center of America is filled with mountain vvomen and land whales. Ewww.

[@shaymalchione809]

That was the girl on there holding a baby doll I’m sorry that was weird asf she looks so young.

[@gorge395]

7:04, I don't think those guys who run the podcast put them in their place either, they pretend to make it, but, I dont think they do, considering these chicks don't really care, for me theyre just playing a character ina youtube channel, in the real life they wouldnt talk like that either, even if most of the time theyre telling the truth, but, telling the truth doesnt mean you put people in their place, because for these chicks reality is different.

[@rajsel8761]

People like entertainment, they like fights, fueds, And ppl nade to look like a fool & ridiculous all for ENTERTAINMENT! It also plays to so many men who dont speak up, and put down women, so they like watching men on podcast put these women down.

[@davidgavney6711]

That was Madison with the spiked hat and black baby doll. She doesn’t always have the baby, but she wears the hat a lot. She’ll sometimes host auxiliary after shows. I think she was on the show as a guest at one point, but now is on the show all the time. Not sure if she works for Brian now or what. Madison not the mascot. The sex doll with blue hair is the mascot (Kikki). But, I did see that podcast and watched the entire thing. It’s not something I’ve done often, but I have watched a few entire episodes of Whatever. They do get long, but I watch them over several sessions. Orion did look a little out of place, and I also thought the women didn’t realize who he was and didn’t think to ask him any good questions to maybe help themselves having a real therapist in the room. They just ignorantly clung onto their views and thought he was some old guy who didn’t have a clue or something. But, I think of Whatever as pure entertainment. I don’t think they’re going to convert anyone.

[@edlouchard565]

I am a total Orion fan, his takes on women and relationships have had a huge effect on my understanding and my development in the past year. But when it comes to kids, like having kids, well, I'm 72, I have two daughters. One is trans, the other we adopted from an orphanage where she was abused and neglected for the first year of her life. If you know what that means, you know that I had the most "transformed" life one can imagine for 18 years. Do I regret it? No Fucking Way. I would certainly not be the man I am today, with the depths of understanding, compassion, pain tolerance, and many other now attributes, without the challenges presented by her being in my life. Would I do it again? Again, NFW! All to say to hear Orion say he sees what single men give up to become family men is not attractive to him is totally logical. And Orion is nothing if not logical. But as my oldest brother is fond of saying, Logic is highly over rated. Just being with my adult children is to be present while watching the world transform to it's next iteration. And as my friend Inger has said, she thought she loved her husband, but then she had a child, then learned what love really could be. Then she spoiled the shit out of him.

[@alfredocornelio4329]

I don't agree with it being just the clams on these podcast that are not a representation of the overall females. Just watching many channels of street interviews, where women are caught unaware so they have no "persona" to play up for the camera(Unless they are one of those salty feminist that just go off whenever a man ask them anything) that are not just manosphere/redpill type channels like It's Complicated, there are others where you can see women have the same opinions as the bimbos on the right side of Whatever's podcast. Even black female dating coach talking about giving up on women because of all of their delusions and high expectations and never being happy. The good thing also about Whatever is that he is open to have anyone on and debate other subjects not found on Fresh and Fit, which I don't know why some would complain about Whatever being Jerry Springer when FnF has way more heat and females tend to act up waaayy more on that show than with Brian's. Recently Brian had Destiny and Trent Horn/Lila Rose about baby murdering.

[@richdog490]

Women have a lot of power in society, power to shut down discussions in society if they’re HR workers, teachers of students, etc. so much of society conditions us not to stand up to female misbehavior, and podcasts like whatever or fresh and fit stand up to them, which is good for males to witness. Of course that’s the most generous interpretation to these podcasts and there’s certainly more nuance (like you can get carried away with it, etc.), but that’s the answer to the question.

[@Guitar157]

I started listening to the whatever podcast while I'm at work. I'm just like holy shit if people are really this stupid 😂 god help us. Then I get bored at sick of it and switch over to Joe rogen or something else lol

[@jadek5822]

I love not being married to my 15 y.o. husband-bf-s.o…he could leave at anytime but I know he’s w/me because he wants to be.

[@osher7788]

I don't understand why even ask about marriage. It doesn't even matter if you get married or not, so many states have laws in place that if you are known common in law, you get the same family law. so what's the point?

[@domnulinvesteste8546]

You can use surogate women for having babies and paying a woman for taking care... It is money consuming but drama less!

[@abbeylance29]

I am intrigued that Rich would want to ascertain the validity of these podcasts. Just to be sure that the right thing is being done. Great looking out, man.

[@snotice12]

F&F does offer benefits beyond the afterhours. It is up to the men and women to want to watch those videos and apply them.

[@thomasphillips7215]

The problem with people understanding Marriage is that it is not a secular thing. Marriage is a sacrament,like Baptism or Confirmation. People who think of Marriage as a “legal contract “ are the ones who are making a mistake. So if you sign a legal contract with someone, then you are bound by the consequences of breaking the deal. That’s just how it is. Society should change its paradigm concerning Marriage. Marriage is a promise between a man and a woman before God. The legal part of it should be agreed to by both people and should include penalties for breaking the deal. Perhaps all marriage contracts should be unique and drawn up legally like a will with specific rules etc.

[@monk4ever]

Nah, this seems too complicated. This is why the younger generations are avoiding marriage. Good riddance to vvomen.

[@user-ze4cx5sn5c]

That’s true if you’re Christian. Marriage is a social construct. An omnipotent being doesn’t care about your relationship

[@richardager1861]

Great work gents. It's all said in comments below. Amazing how we have to have these conversations on something like KZbin, and its not part of society convential wisdom. We also have to be very careful with common law and the interpretation of defacto. A LTR shouldn't last more tha 18-23 months. Your assets can be treated the same as married if deemed de facto at law. Make sure you check the local laws and case law.

[@joshfrench6426]

Nah it's a pretty decent representation of women lol