The best example I can think of as a polyrhythm that occurs in nature is when you’re driving your car in the rain, listening to music on the radio and the windshield wipers are beating out a straightforward rhythm that is out of time with the song. It’s like a race, and your brain wants the two to synchronize, and when they do for a moment, it’s a bit of a climax.
@kookiespace2 жыл бұрын
There's a balance to be struck somewhere between "no poly-rhythms" and "you're making a Venetian Snares track"
@kltpurp22063 жыл бұрын
This guy is a really good teacher, I find my stuff stale, but after watching these videos I feel refreshed and like I have new toys to play with.
@JayVucci8 ай бұрын
Also I love playing with my toys
@ageevdanil77363 жыл бұрын
Randomly recommended by youtube... Now binge watching all the vids on this channel , f#cking awesome content
@vlividTV3 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@SerhiyP893 жыл бұрын
same here :) what an amazing teacher
@Lcrymlgy3 жыл бұрын
Y'all should find someone who doesn't say half the stuff wrong, tho, not even to replace him, but to complement. I mean, maybe his advice is useful, but it's just loaded with misinformation.
@kleeenco3 жыл бұрын
same, great content
@octave1153 жыл бұрын
@@Lcrymlgy @
@dvuemedia3 жыл бұрын
Its kind of when you are stopped at a red light and the car in front of you has a blinker that blinks at different rate, but for 1 or 2 blinks it synchronizes to your blinker. Try it out. Cool stuff.
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Hahahah yes! Love this comparison.
@FriendofWigner Жыл бұрын
Or the wipers on the old school busses. They were always just a little out of sync, but occasionally they would either both move either perfectly the same or perfectly opposite.
@prod.kidmizu Жыл бұрын
@@FriendofWigner sometimes the wipers on normal cars sync to the beat or just a little beat off the beat too hahaha
@FriendofWigner Жыл бұрын
@@prod.kidmizu It's been a while, so I can't remember the cycle time of the wipers (which I didn't program anyways), but there is a set cycle time for turn/hazard lights in the US and Canada. I don't have access to the SAE standards anymore, but the FMVSS states that turn signals should be tested to 90 cycles per minute. So if you are watching turn signals, I would assume they are all around 85-100 BPM. Double that if there is a turn lamp out.
@egoxploit3 жыл бұрын
first ive listen to this technique was around 25 years ago in the detroit-uk-german-spanish industrial and hard techno scene, hundreds of records was done using this.. the tracks was so simple, rough and raw, at the same time so hypnotic and interesting that was almost like black magic, still the same from the early days now but it really...REALLY shines today, i love this technique especially in sub-bass and bass due to the better quality of sound of the tracks that are produced today, the cristaline-powerfull gear found at clubs, home and in anyone´s pocket... i remember to record techno sets with a bad radiocasete from the radio(static and a lot of hiss included) and play the cassette at friends party in a no so bad (but still bad) bigger radio-cassette and nobody complain about the sound quality because the "new" music was so awesome...taking nostalgia aside, now everything sounds and feels much better.
@DeeJay0033 жыл бұрын
I was there - well said 👍
@KimStennabbCaesar2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the story man, I totally get what you mean.
@11bmckee2 жыл бұрын
any recommendations for that type of music?
@reigam3332 жыл бұрын
@@11bmckee Awakenings 2015
@martymodus72053 жыл бұрын
I love your teaching style. Terminology may be occasionally loose or incorrect, but the techniques are demonstrated so clearly that I don't care. I would recommend these videos to my students with a caveat to learn the techniques and ignore the vocabulary. Having said that, If the vocabulary becomes more precise in the future, then I would recommend these videos as exemplary.
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Roger that :) thanks for the kind words 👍
@mikeexits2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's crazy how convoluted terminology can become. I recently learned that polyphony and paraphony do not mean what most people define them as, and I still don't know exactly how to define them!
@Raumweiter Жыл бұрын
@@mikeexits paraphony: several voices - one filter or envelope usually. Polyphony several voices with each a full signal path consisting of envelopes and often filters. Think of paraphony as "i have 8 voices, but the all go into the same one filter with 1 (!) Envelope for all of them.
@Jolland112 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being a TEACHER!!! so many guys think that we are on their level and just rush through all the basics that actually help! You are very patient and captivate me with your style which makes me want to continue producing. Thank you for your efforts because some of us just learn at a different pace. Bless ❤
@adriano_sp3 жыл бұрын
little tip: add a delay and experiment to spice up the polyrhythm. works very well with percs, hats and synths ;) good channel and tutorials dude! subscribed
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Yes, nice tip, totally agreed! Rhythmical nuance & depth can make a simple pattern suddenly very interesting to listen to.
@briancase61803 жыл бұрын
Yeah! You have to realize that dotted note delay is the most primitive polyrhythm: that's why we like it so much.
@Flevable3 жыл бұрын
Polymeter - Polyrhythm i dont give a .... This guy just showed me why i sometimes can listen to a very scraped beat for days, and other scraped beats for only seconds. The example with Wolfgang Voigt is so inspirering. Thomas Brinkmanns early records was a huge thing for me, and now i know why.
@spxl3 жыл бұрын
One day at a mate's place he put on a lock groove track. We listened to it for a while and were entertained knowing that it was a lock groove, yet the mind plays tricks - some kind of auditory illusion where it appears to change over time. There might be some small variation with each repeat from the physical system of record + player, but I don't think enough to explain the effect. I hazard a guess it was more to do with swing or other less-mechanical timing within the loop.
@Flevable3 жыл бұрын
@@spxl I follow you. You can hit a swing that dont reli on small ex hi hat variations and still being Da Bomb. But still its nice to laern these small variationtricks and sometimes it makes a differnce.
@BG-jh2pz2 жыл бұрын
Oscar love it, when u said it’s when two beats diverge then converge and meet at a common place then repeat. The penny dropped.
@OscarUnderdog2 жыл бұрын
🥰
@chief26323 жыл бұрын
Cutting it off early so that it can fit the bar is also a nice trick, esp. over 2 bars
@fillthepill72363 жыл бұрын
Best techno and EDM tutorials and guides on youtube imo
@airfixx_89523 жыл бұрын
"Don't use multiple polyrhythms"? Kick+Snare - 4/4 Hats - 5/4 Percussion - 3/4 = works a treat! :)
@TheSwircle9873 жыл бұрын
Agreed! 2 is fairly limited. Depends on how much complexity one wants in their rhythms. I love to use many more, sometimes for some "vertical time music." The patterns of the polymetric rhythms themselves can be quite entrancing.
@InsaneXboxer3 жыл бұрын
I'll try that one
@TheGCman33 жыл бұрын
15:40 "the length doesn't really matter so much" I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS! haha all jokes aside, thank you so much for this video! Game-changing revelation ❤️
@TheFactoryOfMusic3 жыл бұрын
loool
@spxl3 жыл бұрын
You have to ask yourself, "Does it sound phat?"
@tibautbowman2 жыл бұрын
Easily the most useful KZbin channel for production that I’ve found in years
@thinknumbers77183 жыл бұрын
That was fascinating. I didn’t realise how such a simple technique could make such a difference
@tayyabnazir48533 жыл бұрын
didn’t expect this to be so informative, from the references to the theory, a rlly well put together lesson.
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the enouragement!
@Lcrymlgy3 жыл бұрын
Yeah except the theory is wrong and glossed over. But I agree the advice is solid
@SyncdAlien3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciated your advice to not over clutter beats with too many polyrhythms. Liked & shared!
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks for the support!!
@rorycathcart32813 жыл бұрын
4.41 - is the drum pattern for Bela Lugosi's Dead. Yes, you *can* listen to it a long time.
@ShootTheKidzAtSchool3 жыл бұрын
Right on! 10 minutes of pur joy on the same rhythm. Add a lot of experimental delay and reverb effects to that rim shot and you get a pattern that is very alive.
@adamoliver823 жыл бұрын
Rory, you nailed that one. Had to check and found a very good Massive Attack cover version
@djtall30903 жыл бұрын
great song and great observation
@blatherskite30093 жыл бұрын
First CD single I ever bought :) (looks it up) Jeez, 1988... 33 years and it still hasn't got stale :)
@LaurenSchraderMusic3 жыл бұрын
Been producing for 8 years and found this video. Super helpful, will help me bring some variation into the genre that I produce
@DanielStepp Жыл бұрын
Amazing. I have done this before on accident and never quite understood why those particular tracks didn't get boring to listen to, but this explains it very well. Thank you 👍
@oh-yt9ug Жыл бұрын
I like how you incorporate psychology and talking about brain being bored and stuff
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
ANNOUNCEMENT: THE TECHNIQUE IN THIS VIDEO IS ACTUALLY CALLED POLYMETER, NOT POLYRHYTHM! Watch this video to understand the difference: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqXFg6ton8x5Y6c Truthfully, I simply didn't know :) Forgive me. Will remake the video when I have time! Find Oscar's video courses here: courses.underdog.brussels 🖤🖤🖤 Join the Underdog Discord channel: discord.gg/z5N9CTA 👾👾👾 Sign up to the mailing list here: tinyurl.com/yy92sx5u 💌💌💌 Pledge to the Patreon: www.patreon.com/underdogmusicschool 🌱🌱🌱
@FredericVCthinking3 жыл бұрын
Pinnnn :D
@blatherskite30093 жыл бұрын
Brian Eno made entire albums on this principle, as far back as the 1970s - complementary notes recurring on their own fixed orbits, slipping in and out of alignment with each other in interesting ways that never repeat exactly over the course of an hour or so. It's interesting stuff to experiment with :)
@ronaldlundbohm8153 жыл бұрын
Thank You My 3 year old walked away when i showed him a basic loop He was amazed how fast we made it
@Trepowski3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Oscar! So many techno songs I liked but I wasn't shure why. Now I understand; Polyrythms. Your tutorials are brilliant, keep it up!
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Glad its helpful!
@briancase61803 жыл бұрын
This is probably the best introduction to polyrhythm I've seen. Great! Thanks!!
@theguywithabow3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this. I busk using a rc505 looper and recently added in recording live snippets which then play back under the main loop, but at a different length . You've just explained so clearly the reason these 2 different loops played together works. Love it. Now I can actively use the info you've shared to steer my street performances and make them better. Thanks again
@amze443 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this tutorial. You're a great teacher. Have a good weekend man
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Brian :) take care!
@TheTylerRobison3 жыл бұрын
I really love this concept, probably something a lot of us do naturally, but don't understand how to explain technically... I always tell people I look for the " in-between sounds"
@TheTylerRobison3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot love your videos, dude!
@Marquinhos19013 жыл бұрын
Yes I do this on my drum machine but never had a word for it.
@Larry-Lazer Жыл бұрын
i love how u explain things i could listen for hours
@xmusica3 жыл бұрын
Bro. Must have watched 50,000 videos and courses. Polymeter is what I was missing. Ur the man! Thank you! Might actually finish a track finally lol
@tastelesstouch3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! I’ve been familiar with polyrhythms but never really tried to make any. After watching this I went and made a kickass drum n bass track with a synth polyrhythms on top of the drums
@michelj.40092 жыл бұрын
This channel is doubtless the best thing that ever happened to me.
@OscarUnderdog2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha 🥰 big love
@deadmenwalking3013 Жыл бұрын
Followed along with this tutorial whilst making a tune. Makes a hell of a difference. Thanks Oscar.
@user-jr1gi8wd7h3 жыл бұрын
thank you man this opens up a new world for me
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
I'm hearing the Aladdin song right now, thanks for putting that in my head :D
@SonicAvalanche5 ай бұрын
This channel is such a gem
@srl37903 жыл бұрын
Amazing tutorials Oscar! I have been playing and producing electronic music with daws and synths for 10 years, and didn't paid that much attention to theory... trying to create spontaneously... Finding out this channel has really help me fill some gaps and improve in this spontaneity thing I was looking for!
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Super cool 💛
@gapster773 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this vid, very well explained, instantly made sense to me even though I don’t know anything about music theory. Made me think of a lot of the ambient house I used to listen too in the past, the slower groove used poly rhythms a lot I think, as that made them feel less static. Nice vid.
@andycordy51902 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely the clearest explanation of polyrhythms. You make it look so simple but I know I can do this. Thank you!
@belustigt21243 жыл бұрын
your definition of a Polyrythm is actually a Polymeter. Polymeter: different number of beats, but the length of each beat is the same: 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 Polyrythm: different number of beats, but the length of each phrase is the same: 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 31 2 3
@MrJvandal3 жыл бұрын
Also it's not true to say that this makes it "endlessly" changing as he is saying here. We can actually see in this video that the first polymeter he is using repeats every 12 beats (3 bars) with the rim noise returning to the one on bar 12 and 15.
@gazereaper3 жыл бұрын
@@MrJvandal He says its endlessly listenable, of course it's not endlessly changing you doofus.
@cashlinart3 жыл бұрын
I mean, I dont think theyre dumping on him. They’re just pointing out that on technical levels what he is actually describing is this and that even though its colloquially acceptable to refer to it how he did. There are combinations of loops that would be mathematically infinite, whether thats palatable or desired or not
@blackseba.3 жыл бұрын
@@gazereaper facts
@MrJvandal3 жыл бұрын
@@gazereaper He says the loop will be "... *endlessly refreshed* , because all the elements will be continually renew themselves compared to each other," at 00:50 . There's also no need to be rude. I would say a 3 bar loop is hardly endlessly refreshed... but it's just my opinion.
@tonescapes9673 Жыл бұрын
Love all of your tutorials.simple&concise to understand.I'm always looking for decent tutorials,&some aren't good at explaining things clearly-so big thanks 👍
@sandbugg29772 жыл бұрын
Been working on a track and this is just what it needs but I didn't know till now thankyou
@bjarkebech2 жыл бұрын
simple explanation, multiple examples from real-world tracks, and even an application of the technique to an unfinished track... bravo!!!!!
@ronaldlundbohm8153 жыл бұрын
The Korg Wavestate is FANTASTIC!!!!!
@NateHorn3 жыл бұрын
The jam at 3:43 was good enough for me I could have nodded away to that for an hour haha
@johnsguitarmusicanddemos Жыл бұрын
I like your student’s sample. It morphs but the polyrhythm makes it better.
@normanheck95933 жыл бұрын
wolfgang voigt is founder of kompakt records. he is a legend!
@canobenitez3 жыл бұрын
also known as GAS
@robertleiner70953 жыл бұрын
Don't forget what he and his compagnons did for the underground movement beginning 90's! I can't speak for the music after that time, but the music I know would specify him at least close to legend. One of the big producers indeed!
@Juanelromano3 жыл бұрын
I was looking for that comment :)
@AnthonyHuttley3 жыл бұрын
Polymeters are not new to me, but I'd sure forgotten about them. Added one to a track I'm currently remixing, and boom. So much more interesting. Thank you for these amazing videos.
@ZackOrrMusic2 жыл бұрын
dude, I love your panels. So much more interesting than just blank.
@martinpollard30563 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate - gonna use this right now! This was just what I needed for this track (it's literally open on my other screen). Glad your video popped up when it did. Serendipity.
@gmanolicious9 ай бұрын
I gotta say Ive been watching vids on polymeter and your vid really hit on all cylinders for me. What a great explanation and demonstartion! Thank you, so much!!!
@Arthur-ob6zu3 жыл бұрын
Yo Oscar ! Just got your video recommended to me ! Don't know if you remember but we had a zoom chat a few months ago about softwares ! Shout out to you, I appreciate you and to all of you who are discovering his content, this guy is the nicest guy ever, definitely recommend
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Duuuuude 🧡 great to hear from you!
@EricBalcon2 жыл бұрын
Hello dear compatriote , I must say that your channel is really really good, I never came across your videos in years, I just regret it . I do electronic since the 80's purely with vst and AUs and I still continue to discover new tricks with videos like yours, therefore big thanks for you.
@b00ts4ndc4ts9 ай бұрын
The studio one album is a must listen to anyone who writes music. A great lesson in less is more.
@Savvier3 жыл бұрын
your videos are like fresh mountain air
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Your comment is like a cool forest river and a warm summer breeze
@monicamomney87562 жыл бұрын
I think of music like a car. Music theory explains what and how the parts work to make it move. This feels like a gear shifter lesson for a stick shift. It may not seem important. Until your friend is wasted and you’re stuck on a hill and can’t drive. Jk. Honestly I can say I wish I’d watched these videos in conjunction with music theory review years ago. Huge help with perfectly explained logic. TY.
@kevhar353 жыл бұрын
This was great. Been looking at polyrythms and this has really helped how to achieve effective ones. Definitely less is more. Brilliant.
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Yesssss, that's what I like to hear!
@kevhar353 жыл бұрын
What's a rythm between friends, eh?
@jammze3 жыл бұрын
Wow I love this. I love how you talk about our bodies/minds subconsciously understanding and feeling the beats. Really great stuff - liked and subbed! Excited to check out your other videos
@Dorillien.3 жыл бұрын
The track from KAS:ST is one of my favorite thanks for the tuto much appreciate
@batteryincorporated3 жыл бұрын
underdog is only for the top dogs!!! nice one dude
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
🐩🐩ARF ARF 🐩🐩
@paulaxa12 жыл бұрын
With every video I watch I get more impressed by you. You're great man.
@forwardever2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Very clearly explained without any complicated jargon. Straight in there showing how to do this simply and in context with real life examples. Thank you.
@tranquilbrae5371 Жыл бұрын
Oscar thank you so much for all of your amazing videos. Your channel is an absolute goldmine, really appreciate you. It’s a crime that you don’t have more subscribers!
@OscarUnderdog Жыл бұрын
❤️😌
@danielpaulmoore5861 Жыл бұрын
another great one! will be experimenting with this in next project
@chriscrushmusic3 жыл бұрын
I just tried out this technique. It is explained very well here. It will make it so much easier to add simple melodic elements in a way that is more contributive to the track now.
@jroditis13 жыл бұрын
Actual, useful info, on all your instructional videos simply explained. Well done!!!
@alandunphy67463 жыл бұрын
Those Studio records are pure class
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Great to see some love for them.
@MrWalterMelon3 жыл бұрын
You are an absolutely wonderful teacher.
@jonstammers22813 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you. This has made me realise why I can listen to the Chemical Brothers over and over, and how they get such rhythmically interesting tracks.
@0711RC Жыл бұрын
Once again, over the top lesson. Thanks to your student sharing. GREAT lesson Oscar. Thank you!!!
@kuldeepgohel299 ай бұрын
he is a GEM! LEGEND, thank you for being such an amazing teacher! you are truly amazing!
@DielectricFailureАй бұрын
The bass line to *Army of one* by bjork is a sick polyrhythm.
@sammccoy12833 жыл бұрын
Incredible video, as you mention at the start this information is difficult to find. You've changed my tracks forever, thank you.
@fano723 жыл бұрын
quite interesting! you can make even more variation by repeating the polyrhythm before it ends.
@IshvaraIsOne Жыл бұрын
Simply excellent lessons, I'm grateful
@Bhangshot3 жыл бұрын
This whole video was worth learning that shift+down will shift a note by an octave! How did I not know this
@Violentic812 жыл бұрын
This is great. Voigt his Album is more like a Science project. But the old days (50-70s) had some awesome Synth science, art noise stuff going on
@user-dh1go4sq9q3 жыл бұрын
Mega respect from Russia 🤘🏻 Polyrhytm very cool!!!
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Cheers from Belgium! 😁
@fresno0112 жыл бұрын
finally I undestood what polysomething is, thanks so much!
@YEEK9.7 ай бұрын
Great content! Remind me what I excatly need. Thank you!
@alexandrebrard3 жыл бұрын
Great way to explain polyrhythms. Thank you.
@Sergoskrem3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for tutorial, I was felt that method on intuitive level, but now I see why its works ! Need to experiment with this in next tracks:)
@FredericVCthinking3 жыл бұрын
Even your "Control+D"s are in rhythm
@blacksmithbeatz91653 жыл бұрын
@@OscarUnderdog 😐
@Vegan_Waterr3 жыл бұрын
I just came here to thank you for introducing me to Wolfgang voigt 🌌💜
@Nuke_Skywalker2 жыл бұрын
dude you are such a sympathetic dude.
@ChrisBevrly2 жыл бұрын
Straight to the point, love your style of explaining. Can't wait to add poly rhythms into my production.
@nikitaiovik93133 жыл бұрын
Very good dive into the topic, great way to look at basic elements of song . While watching this realized there is no good workshop on syncopation topic, would be great to see you look in to this topic , can be really helpful to a lot of people out there )
@dante7228 Жыл бұрын
I love this stuff! I never new how it's called and wasn't able to explain it to my friends producing music... It's a pity this comes 20 years to late...
@nohodev3 жыл бұрын
I had the Studio 1 records. I don’t remember my favorites exactly but probably blue and pink. Wolfgang made that series out of frustration of when minimal was getting boring in the industry. He used a sampler to really shape the sounds rather than the usual standard 303 through effects even though digital effects were getting really interesting in the mid 90s. By the way they pronounced it “Studio Ein”
@cloud9savagehenry3 жыл бұрын
Very very helpful. Pretty sure I have utilized this technique before. Just unaware there was a term. Thank you.
@forsale3133 жыл бұрын
So this has a name, It's crazy because the brain takes to it naturally. Thanks for the explanation
@whathemutt2 жыл бұрын
Super great stuff. I agree with Mr. Modus there below me. Also, for the shots where you're in your DAW, I'd highly recommend looking into displaying your keystrokes as you navigate your DAW. That way, you don't have to pause and mention it (keep the flow going) but people can still follow if interested :)
@whathemutt2 жыл бұрын
You could display them under your self-cam to make it aesthetically balanced with the logo above ;)
@monosnack3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Oscar... great explanation, I'm considering your bootcamp moving forward. I wish our music teachers would teach kids like you do it. Many kids lose interest in music because they are teached to play what others composed 100 years ago. This may work well for a few extremely talented individuals but to many will walk away from the lessons or just be kept there with a lot of pressure from their parents ... time for change :-)
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Heck yes indeed. Couldn't agree more. I sometimes imagine I'm explaining this stuff to a 12 year old kid who has no cultural baggage about this stuff, so it's like a blank canvas :)
@TheFactoryOfMusic3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!! Trying to beat writersblock, and learning new techniques always helps. ❤️
@gruener-geist3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. This session helps me a lot, but i have to check it again on big speakers. I like how you explain the things with good examples. Thank you.
@slim_pkns3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I've been trying to work on using polyrhythm and other evolving changes to my clips, but I'm still working on how use it effectively. I liked how you used a student track to provide a working example. I think a lot of people mix polyrhythm with polymeter. It's in important distinction. I really like the effect of applying the polyrhythm as part of the sub-bass! I'm going to try that myself. Cheers!
@OscarUnderdog3 жыл бұрын
Well full disclosure, the phenomenon I describe here is technically polymeter :) I genuinely didn't know at the time there was another word for it. Someday I will probably rerecord this video to correct that, but for now I think the info is still helpful so I leave it :)
@Benryser7 ай бұрын
I own all vinyls from the studio series....they are brilliant, like your videos
@viktorvigh45133 жыл бұрын
That Profan was one of my first records which I've bought in 97-98.