osu!mapping: honest feedback

explaining the value of trash-talking in regards to mapping enjoyment through my own personal experiences
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clip of scrubs playing osu: • Cloud9 LoL | Genesis I...
maps referenced:
ChouCho - Yasashisa no Riyuu by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
TwoThirds - Bring it Back by RyoKazuka: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
Nekomata Master+ - squall by wa_: osu.ppy.sh/b/2...
TRUE - Soundscape by StarrStyx: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
xi - Mirage Garden by Charles445: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
tarolabo - Zeitmesser by Charles445: osu.ppy.sh/b/6...
TOMOSUKE - Macuilxochitl by Charles445: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Apocalyptica - Hall of the Mountain King by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...
Pierce The Veil - May These Noises Startle You In Your Sleep Tonight by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/4...
Apocalyptica - Last Hope by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/4...
Foreground Eclipse - When Innocence Is Just A Mask by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...
AKI AKANE - Kando*Reduction by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/6...
Neru x Rib - Jinsei wa Hoeru by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
Underoath - You're Ever So Inviting by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
Underoath - Writing on the Walls by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/6...
Saosin - Collapse by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
High Contrast - The Agony & the Ecstasy (feat. Selah Corbin) by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/5...
Naru Sekiya - Yorokobi Synchronicity Naru ver. by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
nekodex - circles! by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
AKI AKANE - Lost Story by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
Pierce The Veil - She Sings In The Morning by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
Pierce The Veil - King For A Day (feat Kellin Quinn) by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/6...
Apocalyptica - Reign of Fear by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
Nekomata Master+ - Funny shuffle by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
Ray - Hajimete Girls! by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
DM vs. POCKET - uNDeRWoRLD MoNaRCHy by Charles445: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
secret: • osu!mapping: a game
USAO - Dynamite (Extended Mix) by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
Scenarioart - Nana Hitsuji by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...

[@Reitenshii]

honest feedback -> "y o u s u c k a t m a p p i n g"

[@commentator3513]

y e a h y o u t o t a l l y s u c k

[@Lucina77]

yOu SuCk At MaPpInG

[@forna4090]

S U c K y O u m a P p I N g A t

[@MidiMaze178]

aou muck yt sapping

[@justintang6549]

More like "You suck at ma-PP-ing" now... ._.

[@Lucina77]

7:03 "best spread 2015" good job mr. mapper

[@hehemarcus]

my best map was my first ranked map

[@pishifat]

mapset by:

[@citriphos]

handsome

[@Hobbes2]

This video speaks to me on a personal level

[@pishifat]

indirect hobbiography

[@chalkskeleton3653]

@@pishifat how did you make a reply thats apparently better than the comment

[@zethz161]

Song > Hall of The Mountain King > 'my *uphill battle* to rank the song' I love pishi and his word play

[@Oqwert]

If only I could finish my maps without running out of brain juice after the first 10 seconds...

[@avu2888]

FELT that. I place 3 new circles & already saving & quitting.

[@chandler0512]

on the supporter list I read "firedigger" as "fidgetspinner" send help

[@ivan5376]

am I the only one that searches name peppy at the end of his every video?

[@marqueechan]

Sushi you're not alone XD

[@Frenzy]

cool secret

[@pishifat]

not same

[@Opblaasmaatje]

PLAY ZOMBIES TOGETHER 100 NACHT

[@creister6346]

lol

[@maddafakka7783]

osu!mapping: pishi

[@mohzmagdy]

Let's make a fanfic of pishi x Charles!!!

[@iruisoleil6370]

osu!mapping: pishi

[@Strombowli]

Mapping, Everything is person to person Osu! a true service

[@gentle3880]

Bullet Barry squad

[@bananya6020]

Bullet Points: osu!mapping EIPTP: handling community feedback

[@montylemon9445]

Pishibarry

[@bananya6020]

MontyLemon bulletfat did not come out the way i intended

[@ViperoK]

thats the last reference i was expecting to see here

[@zunv]

I once modded a map of a guy who did his first map ever. I told straight where he need to improove and what he did wrong, how he can do better, etc. Somehow he was really upset and angry after this mod because in his opinion his map was very well done. He said things like: "I played mania for many years and (standart) mapping is so easy because of my mania skills, so this map is very good and i want it to be ranked" Even tho he may hate me now I think I still did the right thing. Why tell a new mapper just basic fixes and leave him in his thoughts he can rank the map. Would be a waste of time for him without progression.

[@James-ow8br]

I think that guy needs to be less egotistical and make better new mapper decisions, I always accept criticism and I think he should do too, thinking that mania skills = good standard mapping skills is a bad mindset to have because the most you can get from that is decent rhythm, however there are much more to making a good map.

[@ZeldaMstr109]

2:40 "..showered me in praise!"

[@asmylia9880]

pishi also got some "senpai notice me!" moments? 🤔 wew....🤔

[@13ilznatch]

My biggest problem is finding anyone to look at a map in the first place. As someone who has tried to start mapping multiple times, I almost never get any real feedback. Of course, anything I'm making isn't going to come close to being ranked as someone without a lot of experience, but without feedback I can't move toward that point in the first place. Getting good mods is pretty difficult as someone without any name recognition mapping-wise. So yeah, the whole "honest feedback is good" thing requires feedback in the first place. (But of course, your video does point out a lot of good things, just a thought about getting into mapping in the first place)

[@13ilznatch]

And in that video he basically says "It's fucking difficult for new mappers". Even when my mapper friends who know how to map and have ranked maps look at my maps they don't usually give very good feedback. It really is just kind of difficult.

[@commentator3513]

mouse only is the best way to play

[@pishifat]

Objectively The Best

[@brenduck]

mouse only or bust

[@yetanothertubeuser]

this but unironically

[@Hollipolli]

Trackpad only +FLEZ is the best way to play

[@Spayyce]

I am usually on the other side, I am anxious about telling people that their maps are just bad. It's usually down to fundamental issues that I can't isolate. I usually just tell them "I can't see anyone ranking this." because every part is just bad. They have a 1/2 rhythm built in but it's littered with overlaps and patterns that are inconsistent or unreadable. When they are faced with the tiniest shred of criticism they revert to the "It's my style." and refuse to improve.

[@thanh581]

so to sum up good mappers are masochists

[@Gibbysaurio]

Being a player is also being a masochist, if you wan't to improve but refuse to stop playing just TV sizes and DT then you will get nowhere.

[@bananya6020]

"wan't" WTF

[@Drxvmik]

and you are now good mapper and you became a masochist too

[@Yotanido]

Wait... you mapped Hall of the mountain king? o_O That is actually one of my favourite maps. And apparently it was your third ranked map... Well, today I learned.

[@hata1499]

Reading metadata is hard. TIL

[@misterdinner3648]

I really relate to the point about your style changing because of a single thing. I was in no way as good as you when i got torn apart, but i decided to ask some of the people who destroyed my map and they said i lacked any sort of structure whatsoever (i even asked neliel to play one of my even earlier maps, and he had the same opinion). They proceeded to use monstrata as an example for structured mapping, and needless to say i worshipped him as a god from that point on and my style developed into a weird ass compulsion to adjust spacing by .5 every time the pitch shifts up or down in a song.

[@Kidyeon]

Actually really enjoyed the insight into mapping, despite not being a mapper myself. Thanks for the video!

[@XXneatfreakXX]

my favorite things about pishifat maps is that i have to alternate them

[@flayer2528]

Wow that's a lotta work,Good job Mr.Mapper

[@ElMustaccio]

something about those large circle sizes is really appealing to me and I don't know why. I just love playing those ones over any others in the spreads. also can you please make a map of hell above, I would love that (or at least a new map of may these noises startle you in your sleep). I would make it myself, but I'm not very confident in my mapping ability

[@MichaelEfremov99]

Charles for a president

[@kecHik445]

nice. no deetz

[@ExplosiveBrohoof]

I need to get good enough to reach ranked status first tho. ;_;

[@GranularShards]

Haha, exactly!

[@fkeyzuwu]

i remember when that mapset got ranked, i already thought without seeing one map that they will all be the same because its pishifat that mapped them

[@GranularShards]

Charles, come back Any kind of fool could see There was something in everything about you Charles, come back You can blame it all on me I was wrong and I just can't live without you

[@Tenebis1]

I love watching your videos!

[@FrenZ396]

If you guys don't feel like watching the video, basically feedback only matters from people already on the top.

[@sailor3047]

mouse only forever

[@Lucina77]

pishifat do you play your own maps before you rank them ? or like play them inbetween changes ?

[@pishifat]

between changes

[@Lucina77]

okay thanks

[@sleepy33333]

Well. Im mapping since 3 years now and im still as bad as i was when i started back then.. Almost no positive feedback. Nothing ranked nothing happend..

[@castingdefects]

しろ unless you are very inactive in mapping or shot down every suggestion given at you, that's impossible.

[@sleepy33333]

Mein Gauche its not..

[@stephenguo7388]

Really good video

[@BitCritterSpyro]

Honest feedback: I'm a dragon that loves your hellos.

[@BitCritterSpyro]

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[@Attewir]

I don't even remember when I last saw an interesting map, it's all the same shit. These days I'm mostly just playing EZ and old maps :/ Someone make like a cool ass streams become patters without sliders map tyvm

[@Y337n3ss]

what if you dislike your past maps without improving much?

[@0404aviv]

osu!mapping: pishifat

[@brenduck]

mouse only master race

[@montylemon9445]

Brendan keyboard only

[@mihaibortoc7426]

Yoo can you make a map with BABYMETAL - メギツネ - MEGITSUNE ?

[@Doggo420]

for now i would just be happy to rank something 😁

[@anhedxnia]

ＨＥＬＬＯ　ＴＨＥＲＥ！

[@deso2]

nacht 💯

[@chaoticneutral1090]

nice story but I think focusing on getting something ranked is priority # uno for me rn.. (mod my Map sentient by Dissonance in design.. someone pls.. or just play it for fun) :^)

[@neko-uy3yg]

Hello there!

[@pacboy5434]

of course make rankeds maps is not your principal objective , you want to make the best maps dont you ? but for a lot of mappers , just make a good map of there favourite anime song is enough or just make a fun map or à troll map is good .

[@isca10]

but where does one get feedback from?

[@karalineavu]

"This guy" LOL

[@SenseiRise]

Hello there

[@lavender3427]

Let's be honest

[@killingdoc]

Hey that's me

[@cheese1191]

I'd like to ask, why do you map?

[@hiendlxxl]

inb4 everyone spams chales for mapping advice

[@xDe3tz]

hes gone with the wind

[@ensei_alice]

akali

[@vitig7112]

Ellou dere

[@okinakaijuu]

I M P R O V E M E N T 👍

[@okinakaijuu]

10:00 was a pretty big, and well spoken part for me. Just another good video from pishifat. Like always!

[@novakastmusic]

How to improve on mapping: *Map more*

[@456dave7]

Just how more profound can you get about osu?

[@_emik]

honest feedback: you really had to make it 10 minutes for the $$$?

[@_emik]

i see one at the very end

[@pachicore]

cool dude youtube throws in some ads for youtube sometimes

[@_emik]

Riznat Nakh it was a joke but thank you, i actually didn't know that

[@matiasorce5738]

I know you're joking, but you can get a like 7 second vid with ads

[@zotix1551]

Oss

[@user-rn8sn3uy9c]

HELLO, BUT IM PLAYING INSANES WITH MOUSE ONLY! im original :(

[@faizyusuf2470]

maybe pratice more

[@Opblaasmaatje]

My proudest fap

[@lithium820]

people are afraid to be honest because they fear they might hurt the other person or their image. everybody should get shit on equaliy, pishi's videos are good and helpful but his mapping-decision in his maps are lacking some massive fucking balls. you can overcomplicate things, and i think pishi does that with some of the concepts he made videos about

[@saltsenpai189]

tbh im not able to enjoy your maps and dont think your a good mapper,no offense.

[@firegen7458]

Hello there!

[@yvue79]

Hello there!

[@tkilele]

Hello there!