osu!mapping: green lines

explaining my hatred for green lines through their purpose, their misuse in the editor, and their impracticality in modern mapping.
green lines are at least better than managing red lines though
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maps referenced:
Camellia as "Reverse of Riot" - Completeness Under Incompleteness by Regou: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
xi - Zauberkugel by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Camellia - Key of timepieces by Regou: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Dollscythe - Flashes (Extended) by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Apocalyptica - Rage of Poseidon by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...
airportexpress feat.Itsuneko - BIRTH by Chloe: osu.ppy.sh/b/4...
gmtn. vs. kozato (fw. LUZE) - squartatrice by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Ling tosite sigure - abnormalize by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Kawano Marina - Sono Koe wo Oboeteru (TV Size) by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/s/6...
Owl City - Hot Air Balloon by mm201: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
Ray - Hajimete Girls! by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Ling tosite sigure - moment A rhythm by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/6...
Ayaponzu* - Streaming Heart by Lasse: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
yanaginagi - Vidro Moyou by Sidetail: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Camellia - dreamless wanderer by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/b/6...
Akira Complex - Odyssey (Au5 Remix) by ProfessionalBox: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
Camellia - Exit This Earth's Atomosphere by Raiden: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...

[@Sarcastitonea]

Come to *taiko mapping* We have: 0.1x sv 4.0x sv k drum d drum katacheh

[@ZeldaMstr109]

stay in mania, they have 0.01 (i never knew that before now...)

[@tengu6941]

mocha

[@Robobotic]

They should also make it easier to make streams that slowly change spacing, so you dont need to do it completely manually.

[@pishifat]

would be cool, though that's rarely a concern compared to green lines lol

[@atypicalcomplextimesignatures]

You could use distance snap editing but yeah still to long

[@FLarezzedits]

I usually just make 2 green lines in the notepad, one extremely high value and one extremely low value. Then when i want to place a green line with a value outside of the editors limits i just copy the high one and scale down the slider velocity (because for some reason it does accept higher values when the previous value was even higher). Still inneficient tho

[@leagueofminecraft6964]

FLarezi Osu! Thank u for the time you have saved me

[@okinakaijuu]

E D I T O R A P P R E C I A T I O N T E A M

[@huuishuu]

is that a subtle way of telling me to eat nice try mom

[@SF3098]

PowerRaid EAT is a funny-sounding team name

[@emiru-kun6323]

*e a t*

[@sh4dow176]

E A T

[@synexiasaturnds727yearsago7]

EAT

[@Sarcastitonea]

*cough* storyboard editor *cough*

[@pishifat]

i prefer to believe it doesn't exist

[@ZeldaMstr109]

i was thinking about asking you to make a video on the storyboard editor. guess not?

[@yetanothertubeuser]

Speaking of storyboards, is there any official reason as to why coords can't be floats?

[@Sarcastitonea]

it's an atrocity. I really hope it's fixed in the new client, whatever fixed means.

[@Nyokota]

ppy did confirm a complete rework of the editor, expect alot of changes in 2018 to the editor

[@tearstone8231]

so that's why there was so many vomit lines on every map i look at through the editor

[@izikblu]

I never clicked off an ecchi anime so quickly

[@gdash6925]

izikblu stop!

[@shiromi1]

i will allow you to continue

[@mordimort]

The reason for the limited sv multiplier in the editor might be because of how they are first introduced. they actually used to multiply the bpm. And since they act like that, using sv multipliers other than 0.5x (Half sv), 1x (Normal sv), and 2x (double sv) will make the slider tick sounds really off and thus, 1.5x sv isn't really possible. This is not fixed until the .osu version 8 is released back in mid 2010

[@Lucina77]

can you cover star rating ? what makes it higher, what makes it lower and everything around it ?

[@jeder6915]

larger jumps = bigger star rating

[@Lucina77]

Yeah, obly jumps are hard

[@pishifat]

jeder basically covered it all gg

[@Lucina77]

:/ you know more about maping then me so i need to believe you, thanks

[@456dave7]

Check out the 'spread' video.

[@Aidiakapi]

osu!lazer is likely to include a new editor, maybe it's good for some experienced mappers to have some discussions about it with the developers :)

[@mystic5008]

if it ever comes out, that is

[@CamelliaFlingert]

@@mystic5008 i like how this comment didn't aged at all xd

[@simonpereira4281]

Am I the only one that, not even playing the game lately, watches every one of Pishi's videos? Damn, I didn't even download it in this PC.

[@Yogii0000]

Any plans to do some sort of podcast with mappers like happystick's doing with players for his improvement month?

[@pishifat]

not really. ztrot's got that covered i think, and i'm on there fairly often already lol

[@kecHik445]

we need more pishi asmr

[@schwarts8944]

Nice video! I'm really glad that you are putting out sop many tutorials for people to watch. You have inspired me to make my own map so keep up the good work!

[@hifumindesu]

Maybe a properties panel for the selected object/s where you can change hitsounds, SVs, and anything else that shouldn't be changed by a new greenline? It could probably replace the right-side buttons since Grid Snap, Distance Snap, and Locking Notes are going to be moved to the left side (see teaser on osu!next tumblr), and adding Whistles, Finishes, and Claps are going to be in the properties panel. Not sure about the New Combo button tho lol

[@jarix-yt]

the new update changed slider velocities in a good way! :)

[@Karoo13]

I would definitely like per-object everything, I was thinking just separate physical length from time length. so it traverses the whole slider instead of cutting off at the nearest tick before the end (which is annoying) and you specify a timeline length which won't be changed even as you adjust the object. having made some stupid maps with notepad tricks, i find lots of other things frustrating too, especially being forced into certain levels of precision (.1 distance snap, 1 degree, 1 osupixel, 1ms) like I get 1 pixel and 1ms but it shouldn't round until I am done, as repeatedly rotating precise patterns will distort them slightly each time, and 1 degree doesn't allow you to line up with any shape you want

[@defnitely_not_me1843]

This has to be the most annoying aspect of the editor indeed. Hopefully this will change with osu laser.

[@TheAshRaichu]

Hi! I was wondering if you could do a video on the logistics of overlaps. Reasons they're significant, why people use them, and how not to make them look ugly (though that last part is pretty subjective, I realize).

[@phaZZi6461]

thanks to this i realized why i have so less motivation in mapping anymore

[@wquitw0727]

i understand u might have wanted to refer to the limitations of the editor currently,but on that slider u wanted a 0.1,couldnt u have just made a longer slider on the lowest sv available(or some weird rrtyui/hollowwings slider to cover the timing section required on that part) without switching mode in song setup?

[@opposite342]

I agree with you, you should try open the editor for the mania maps that is made by evening.

[@tealsekai]

zauberkugel is one of your best map in my opinion so I think it was worth it ^^

[@Oqwert]

It should also show angles between consecutive objects. No more unpolished maps! Also a tool that makes blankets easier to make?

[@chaoticneutral1090]

congrats 10k

Dude, what about those green lines in Ascension to Heaven? It's like every note in kiai there has its own green line

[@lunaflina9257]

that's keysounding

[@RBE_]

yay a new pishi video

[@kzstu4404]

How do I remove a green line, I can't figure out. I might have missed it in this video it's just too long to rewatch.

[@ramimansi8511]

...Complains about 4:00 " Have you ever seen an Evening map ? "

[@razetime]

You shoulda added Billain - Boogie in the examples

[@GuyFromSomeWorld]

I've never even used the sampleset dropdown thing in the editor, and I've been trying to map since I first started osu! 4 years ago... i guess im a dumdum

[@XXneatfreakXX]

Why do I get super high UR when I play my maps?

[@BigDBrian]

maybe your maps are a bit mistimed? maybe your placement is unintuitive or you place objects at wrong times, so it's hard to play No one can know without actually seeing your maps

[@zunv]

also give us a proper scaled coordinates system, with 0 at the middle of the screen please

[@jaakkohintsala2597]

how do you feel about making sloder ticks position on the slider body adjustable?

[@BigDBrian]

I dont see too much purpose to it since it's generally just ignored and a lot of skins either have empty hitsounds or textures for them if not both.

[@BigDBrian]

While I agree that slider ticks should be consistent with the beat, to my experience you don't read slider velocity off of them, it's impractical. While reading you passively look at a slider, seeing mostly its shape. To analyse the speed from slider ticks, you'd have to actively locate them, and track the distance from the slider start to the first slider tick, comparing it to the tick rate on what you've seen earlier in the map, which isn't very practical while playing.

[@BigDBrian]

In your example at 8:03 you can't see most of the sliderticks outside of the editor. You can't see any sliderticks that overlap with the sliderhead or slidertail in gameplay.

[@solarus7828]

Can you make a video about yellow lines?

[@plei4420]

Now i see that i have messed up choosing a camellia song as the first song i ever tried to seriously map and rank (didnt rank it btw)

[@nutik8597]

Honestly, what we need, is a programmer who can make an external editing program, making all the issues like this, easier to fix.

[@pishifat]

well lazer is open source, so it wouldn't need to be external

[@BigDBrian]

Once lazer editor comes out and it's better, I might just edit exclusively on it, though there'll still be inconveniences

[@mystic5008]

Pishifat, Solving mappers' problems after realising we all sucked

[@StickmanHatena]

Holy shit he's mapping Zauberkugel!!! \o/

[@benstfuca]

your voice is very soothing FeelsGoodMan

[@senssv9407]

I wish you could make section of custom combos with inhereted points, just like hitsound samples :^)

[@sguzaki4545]

The timeline is now in Lazer

[@Alex-nx7ux]

So, i started osu 3 days ago...how do I change the color of my dots?

[@Alex-nx7ux]

AweProd22 oh shit youre right there isnt any dots in this game shiiiiiit

[@nurielkaunaini2584]

finally, i got the answer for most of technical maps >2x sv

[@themelancholyofgay3543]

Mapping is going to God Mode

[@TourDead]

So you trying to make some more zombies videos? Lol

[@strovigay3105]

bro i just wanna know how to place them wtf

[@kittycatosu]

How the hell do you even with that cursor

[@D0HERRITT]

Creating beatmaps sure does look pretty hard...

[@citriphos]

Slider velocity changes still confuse me...

[@usion8049]

Creating a tech map is stressful , you need to have a lot of experiments with sliders

[@ruen77777]

Never tried to go into the map editor. Feels revolted by some green line shit.

[@anii_user]

0.1 = Allowed modes ohhhh thanks for the information.

[@latisansklay]

pishifat the taiko god :^)

[@prawtism]

Wow, didn't know about that Taiko setting. I thought everyone uses notepad for these things.

[@faizyusuf2470]

can uhhhhhhh about mapping skin?

[@Mr.Coincidence]

7:07 IF ONLY I COULD HEAR IT.

[@mindmaster_osu]

Pishifat. Accept subtitles!

[@nulltag5226]

new hello there video owo

[@frosted3]

hitsounds and kiai should be part of the storyboard tab and not controlled by greenlines tbh

[@mystic5008]

maybe this is a sign that I shouldn't map weird techno songs so i can actually finish a map for once :p

[@DisinDiogo]

Which skin is the one in the thumbnail

[@endu-the-little]

Lazer's default? github.com/ppy/osu/releases

[@NeeshkaLover]

osu! mapping: i fucked up

[@honestly2157]

0:16 WHAT SKIN WAS THAT I NEED THAT SKIN PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME THE SKIN I NEED IT

[@pishifat]

default skin for lazer

[@honestly2157]

How do I get lazer??!?!

[@pishifat]

github.com/ppy/osu/releases

[@honestly2157]

wait. do I download everything thats under "Downloads" or download just one of them, if so which one?

[@pishifat]

the most recent install.exe

[@KagoratheGrindcoreAddict]

not even 255 nacht gameplay

[@BaronVonAnime]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGWyfIN-j999Z80 Ok this even confused me, and I've done this a few times already. Easier solution: Make a new difficulty in the mania mode, then place the sv change, copy it and paste it into the main diff.

[@hypnoparadisus]

What is osu!lazer I've never heard of it

[@pishifat]

if you're serious, it's the new open source client for osu

[@hypnoparadisus]

Thanks, that sounds cool

[@xypheli]

you have a nice voice #nohomobutitsokaytobegay

[@rougoku1895]

At least, you have an editor, not like in CtB :>

[@asmylia9880]

Rougoku going by this, only std and mania got their own editor. But overall, there's nothing bad using the std overlay for ctb mapping.

[@mmelloe]

an SV changing dropdown for every object would not be great it would be annoying. there's nothing wrong with the green line system, we're so used to it. all we have to do is make it already part of the UI so we don't have to open it up every time we want to make a change. and we need better ways of moving lines around. the most annoying part about the green lines is having to open up the box every single time, if we remove that things will be a lot more convenient and of course removing the SV limits in the editor

[@KingQuetzal]

I hate sliders with quiet ends.

[@Deastrisk]

Why? is it because it feels weird

[@KingQuetzal]

​@@Deastrisk I like the confirmation noise.

[@randominaaaaaaaaaa]

Grass

[@Lucina77]

hElLo ThErE

[@somedudethatdoesthings8057]

i liek eggs

[@Nekomosh004]

came here for a weekly dose of... H E L L O T H E R E ... owo

[@MandrakeGuy]

impossible maps

[@deso2]

nacht 100

[@pishifat]

der untoten

[@edgardgurow2484]

pishifat Du bist Deutscher?!?

[@pishifat]

nein

[@asmylia9880]

pishifat 🤔

[@TackKeyNack]

I just place 0.10x and 10.0x sections at the very end of my maps and copy paste them when convenient... Not really much work to do. Also, I just use -100000000 and -1 for 0.1x and 10.0x

[@ScubDomino]

Just use -1000 and -10 cus the editor caps SV over 10x and under 0.1x to 10x and 0.1x

[@Robobotic]

1

[@S3N531]

2

[@kml1584]

S3N531 3

[@poopyfartpie1003]

S3N531 4 (this used to be 69)

[@drsenseihugo]

5

[@Ryan-ju3fl]

6

[@JeXuSx]

Ñ

[@KungFuPanda1223]

what in the fuck is osu!lazer

[@qwuzzy]

It's a new osu! client that's in development

[@asmylia9880]

qwerzy it's a meme

[@chair7060]

if the editer gets to easy then there might be more shit maps made by people that dont know what they are doing

[@pishifat]

i mean... that'll happen no matter what lol

[@chair7060]

rip

[@HallidayASR]

Well, it doesn't matter how many shitmaps are made, If a map is (objectively) bad Its not going to get ranked I hope.

[@pishifat]

that's what loved for is right hahahaha :(

[@kino266]

Hey don't worry about shitmaps, they have to go through a qualifying system first before they can actually matter a lot to most people :)