osu!mapping: spread

explaining how spread is generally calculated for mapsets in osu. there's still more to talk about on this topic, but i'll leave it for another time
in-progress difficulty-specific ranking criteria: osu.ppy.sh/for...
okorin's article: osuqat.tumblr.c...
low effort difficulty elements video: • unedited spread elements
twitter: / pishifat
skin: dl.dropboxuser...
maps referenced:
android52 - super anime groove 3d world by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
9mm Parabellum Bullet - Inferno by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Ling tosite sigure - KIMITOOKU by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
Underoath - Coming Down Is Calming Down by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
Rameses B - Mountains (Ft. Veela) by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
Rameses B - With You by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
Rameses B - Utopia (ft. Holly Drummond) by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/6...
Rameses B - Sweet Surrender (ft. Charlotte Haining) by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
Breaking Benjamin - Breath by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Days N' Daze - Misanthropic Drunken Loner by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
Kitsune^2 - SKUGGIN' AROUND by Desperate-kun
otetsu feat.Megurine Luka - umbrella by Awaken: osu.ppy.sh/b/5...
Porter Robinson - Flicker by VINXIS and deetz: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Scenarioart - Nana Hitsuji by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Tamura Yukari - Pleasure treasure by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Yumi Arai - Hikouki Gumo (el poco maro DnB EDIT) by alacat: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
nano - Omoide Kakera by -kevincela-: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...

[@fieryragee]

i like how i stopped paying attention when the first video came out now there's fucking fifteen of these

[@reeses7839]

fieryrage good meme

[@pishifat]

this is why ur not a ogod mapper

[@StachuraSzymon]

Pishi! Can u make a speedup video of you making a map?

[@pishifat]

that's so boring tho

[@StachuraSzymon]

ok dad :v

[@G6GamingSociety]

pishifat please do it

[@kilianvo8636]

maybe it is but it would be nice to see how it is done you can do it as an one time thing for the few who are interested ^^

[@reeses7839]

these videos are really informative even to me, as a person who has never mapped anything ever

[@meta04]

just a little addendum that I'm posting here to actually get, like, any viewers yeah star rating is sad (and so is pp) but the difficulty icons have actually received a change pretty recently. they changed the star rating cutoffs and most of my Normal diffs show as Easy now (I primarily play on lazer now) lol Easy: used to be

[@UnleashedSaimon]

I discovered your mapping videos two days ago, and have seen all of 'em already. This content is so valuable, specific, without being unfriendly to watch. Thanks a lot :). My question would be: What's the best way to find competent people to help you with your mapping? As you said somewhere, it's hard to receive good mods, you always end up asking other beginners just like you... It's really dissapointing, since you learn and go further on your maps so slowly.

[@pishifat]

there isn't really a good way, and i don't think there ever will be. the number of people needing advice far outweighs the amount of people who can give it

[@Yogii0000]

I can relate so much with the Hards fucking people over. Took me ages before I could play them properly when I started out.

[@pishifat]

hard is hard

[@AllMeta]

Tehetb

[@d3monslay3r4]

i love u pishi

[@skypon8]

Honestly you produce such quality in your videos so consistently. Keep it up man! :D

[@johnb1653]

not allowed to show this lol

[@pishifat]

:(

[@Natsuki_Ch.]

Just want to say Thank You, for all the hard works that gone into providing osu! with beatmaps and all the good video teaching us the things about mapping

[@Plaudible]

pishi is dad

[@over_loadcode]

0:54 woah that was cool more of that pls

[@JonathanDabro]

I'd love to hear what you think when making a beatmap, kind of like what a cs player named natosaphix did a while ago where he basically played a full game mentioning why he made certain moves or what he made wrong. I think that would be very informative even to someone that has yet to learn the basics. Love your vids pishi keep 'em coming

[@pishifat]

can you link that natosaphix video?

[@AwkwardlySneaky]

Spread, Spread & Spready.

[@srijanchakraborty203]

thanks pishi

[@DJruslan4ic]

Easy ranking criteria be like: rhythms above 1/1 and confusing stuff are a no-no Insane+ ranking criteria be like: idk man, no diff spikes?

[@Xinnou]

love your vids, keep it up :)

[@josephpreligeraiv6773]

Since i watch this video i think i overmapped my beatmap it supposed to be normal but because i want all beats (very fast beats) to have a object in it so my normal diff become like mazzerin's promethean kings difficulty

[@danielyuan9862]

Technically the definition of "overmapping" is mapping notes that don't exist in the song. However, it does seem like you are mapping more than ideal for normal difficulty. In the video pishifat did about overmapping (and undermapping), he's saying that you can do either of those as long as it's for a good reason (like being able to represent the music better, etc.). In one of his videos, pishifat also gave an example of him mapping an easy map for a song and showed that he's undermapping all the time, but an important factor is that you should have even less notes on "calm" sections of the song.

[@ErunamoJazz]

b-but, CS4< will work in easy diff if it is very slow, like in Eagle - S!ck (by tsuka)

[@asmylia9880]

Daniel Sanchez ar 10 easy :v

[@Dannya]

After watching all these I created a new map with all the stuff I learned Unfortunately my dumb ass barely remembered shit and I have to rewatch ;-;

[@brojrod1337]

Pishizor = osu god #pishizor is osugod

[@mrdeppelman]

mfw I forgot to upload a map and then it gets featured in a video without a link xD

[@刺身-o8l]

cool, u listen to android52

[@akavat5853]

Hi pishi! I want to start mapping after watching all your videos and, like you said, the best way to get yourself noticed is to do M4Ms. So I was wondering if you can make a basic modding tutorial?? Basic being the key word in the sentence.

[@pishifat]

coming next week

[@akavat5853]

Awesome! Thanks for the reply.

[@knedlanplayer7922]

not allowed to show cmon uncle peppy will not notice anything

[@taru4635]

Since easy difficulty can't have anything remotely confusing, how would one map that difficulty for a song that is musically very complex, like unorthodox/varying time signatures and constant BPM changing? Combine that with potentially crazy intensity in the music and I have no way of seeing how to properly reflect the song in an easy difficulty map (isn't that what mapping should be about?). Just theoretical questions.

[@pishifat]

haven't seen anyone try to map something so complex that an easy is impossible, so i dunno

[@taru4635]

I see, thanks for the reply. There are definitely some experimental branches of jazz, progressive metal and breakcore that would be a nightmare to try to simplify at all.

[@asmylia9880]

taru even maximum the Hormone (What's up people) got an easy.

[@pixelbyte4886]

this is stupid but i have a really hard time deciding when to put a slider i dont want my map to end up a hitcircle only map, so when exactly should i put a slider? the song never sounds like it has a hold in it

[@asmylia9880]

you said, that the easiest map just needs to be simplistic, but as far as many people told me, the easiest diff MUST HAVE 2 Stars or less (they quoted the ranking criteria, at least they said so) but for example could be a 3 Star Hard simplistic, too, so what's right now!? I also know many ranked sets where's the easiest a 3SR hard (and are NO marathons). so pishifat, what's now the truth?

[@pishifat]

that "2 stars or less" thing will likely be changed in the future. the current ranking system enforces it, along with a low level of simplicity. a hard can be simplistic, but relative to a normal, it's not simplistic. the same argument could be held for hard vs insane or insane vs extra. the type of simplicity that's required is talked about in the video any ranked sets with a hard as the lowest diff are too old to matter

[@misterdinner3648]

What about that one undead corp map that has an easy, a normal, and two 5 star diffs.

[@pachicore]

Mister Dinner the one with reisen as the background picture?

[@asmylia9880]

Mister Dinner there is also a 4* map and as pishifat already told you: SR doesn't talks about the REAL difference of a map.

[@babydactyl]

I've played for about six months and I still don't know what drain time or whatever it's called is The "[timestamp] drain" right next to the length on a beatmap's page wuzzat pls help

[@pishifat]

drain is total play-time of a map. if you /drain/ out the unmapped intro, outro, and breaks from a map's length, you'll have its drain time

[@Yogistyle7]

First. Pishi you are awesome!

[@pishifat]

!

[@FrenchToastAwsome]

So, to combat the problems with Hard difficulties, is the solution just to make more diffs in between Normals and Hards?

[@pishifat]

if mappers made their normals slightly harder, it would be an easier hump to overcome. making difficulties inbetween is what some mappers need to do when they really screw up spreads

[@zdvrk9813]

Ist hier irgendein deutscher der mir das mit dem spread genauer erklären kann? Verstehe die anderen videos, nur das hier nicht so ganz.

[@SkyFlakesTasteGood]

can you make a video about jumps?

[@vbaku9766]

This has piqued my interest. This whole difficulties must be within 10 of each. Tell me sir, do you do this yourself?

[@pishifat]

i try to keep gaps between difficulties not too large. the 10 elements thing was my way of making that understandable in video form

[@vbaku9766]

pishifat I see. It just confuses me because, while I may not know a lot about mapping, I feel that your King For A Day(Insanother) is harder than your (Another). Not sure why, maybe because of the crazy CS jump.

[@faizyusuf2470]

Give me the link to the bn test page

[@RageNotch]

what are your thoughts about people making mapsets like NHIXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[@pishifat]

very neutral

[@abcdef-ms9mb]

pishi I need sliderart theory D:

[@ZeldaMstr109]

0:53 not sure about this....

[@pishifat]

it does seem weird, but testing actually shows they kinda are g

[@ZeldaMstr109]

eh?

[@jfdsjkre3243]

Could you teach me how to choose what part of a song I can put for the preview of the song when selecting it from the beatmap selection? Also what are elements?

[@mesmersie8465]

i was wondering the samething lmao 6 years later...

[@FavoriteBananaTWO]

why is your Reign of Fear spread allowed then?

[@pishifat]

more than 5 minute drain

[@FavoriteBananaTWO]

ah, makes sense

[@nitrous1001]

Linear spread you said? puu.sh/swuRG/a72ed31685.png

[@khobybryantvillasen]

sup....

[@nonnaput1074]

2020?

[@carlosdumbratzen6332]

fuck what is number of difficulties for maps? Did i missed reading/watching something?

[@pishifat]

any number you want as long as it fits the minimum requirements (which were at the beginning of the video)

[@carlosdumbratzen6332]

I meant was are those difficulties, hard parts of the map or ..?

[@pishifat]

i'm not sure what you mean :(

[@carlosdumbratzen6332]

What are difficutly elements?

[@pishifat]

oh, there is no actual number. the difficulty-specific ranking criteria can give you a good idea of how many elements aren't acceptable in certain difficulties, though

[@benjaminluengo425]

Bad Vídeo.

[@JonathanDabro]

I don't think anyone will take you seriously unless you explain how he could have made the video better. Productive criticism!

[@pishifat]

agreed