Our Cirrus SR20 Overhaul Reveals a BIG Problem... (New Engine Install)

After 6 months, we finally have a major update video with our G1 Cirrus SR20. We bought the plane last year, and flew it home 1000 miles to AZ. It was by far the cheapest Cirrus for sale in the world! Unfortunately Fish found some internal damage which will lead us to needing a full engine rebuild overhaul. While the engine was apart, our A&P found a major problem... We needed a new engine case / block. We also discuss the costs for these parts and overhaul in this video. Luckily by the end of this video, the engine will finally be back on the plane!
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[@Airplanefish]

Glad to help out. Thanks for the shout out. Talk with you soon....

[@fatboyarizonareed8277]

Been slacking watching videos been working glad to see

[@Sam_Holt]

Mechanic: "I wonder what i should charge these guys" *Ferrari starts in the background* Mechanic: "Ah yes, they are fucking loaded, add $£50k"

[@theweb50]

Glad to see the progress is finally on the move again guys... looking forward to see you get back in the air.

[@Agentjamaica]

Look at lease back programs since you did say the SR20 is a hot commodity for flight schools.

[@scottiencali]

Whoa.. Carrera 3 in the background?? Cant wait for that!! Hope the Cirrus get in the air soon!!

[@Nbolanos0624]

Holy crap I was just wondering what happened to these dudes and all of the sudden a new video is posted

[@noelvanrhyn7642]

Hi, really enjoy your videos. When will the both of you be ppl qualified. Love to see you fly Owen around. Big Owen fan to. You guys are awesome, and do a great job regards Noel

[@JeffCounsil-rp4qv]

From a training standpoint, if a trainer aircraft is needed for up and coming pilots, sell it and go for the SR22. You'll be doing *two* good things at once.

[@andreastesterman4766]

Ah yes the JR boys quickly learning how expensive aviation is, I’ve spent $20k on my license already

[@gregshields8310]

The same crack appeared on my SR20 engine after 400 hours. Not a good day. Watch out for insurance costs for low time pilots. A few hundred hours of 20 time might help the insurance costs when you move up to the 22.

[@JRGarage]

Very true, thanks for the comment.

[@paulwoods682]

Thanks for sharing, at least you bought the cheapest Cirrus available, because this could still have happened on a less cheap purchase.

[@PaulGarthAviation]

Your patience is legendary, so.... I guess you haven't been flying lately?

[@droge192]

Great video, and I love that you guys are willing to share the costs with us. This is why GA is dying though; the costs are just extortionate, due to the certification rules. I mean $12,000 for two lumps of formed metal! The actual production cost for the new case was probably less than $1,000. All of the rest goes towards litigation funds associated with certification. Here in the UK, I just changed over from GA to LSA (ML in the UK) and the cost savings are insane. I got a 2 screen glass cockpit and advanced autopilot for £9,000. To buy the same set up in a certified aircraft would have been £50,000+ !!! If VFR is your mission, then LSA really is worth a serious look. It is likely to reduce overall aviation costs by over 70%. Also, if you think the IO-360 ES engine is costly to repair and maintain, the IO-550 in the SR22 is a whole new ball game! I'd personally stick with the SR20. It's a better training aircraft and (having flown both), the 20 is much nicer to hand fly; the 22 just being so heavy up front because of that huge lump.

[@meowmeow2759]

Id say its more corporate greed than anything. I worked at a part 145 repair station, I know what the costs were for overhauls and the push to constantly make the quarterly dollars go up and up constantly. Our pay stayed the same but we just kept seeing the prices of overhauls and individual parts increase for no reason.

[@moseskelly2886]

Jeffrey and Christian my gosh I'm very stoked to see your spectacular plane (Cirrus SR-20) is looking better and better. We all share a huge passion for aviation!! I'm super excited to see the plane making lots and lots of progress.🤙😎 I'm being completely honest with you guys, I think it'd be an awesome idea to sell the SR-20 while it's at the peak of the market and look into getting a SR-22. The SR-22 is a very popular aircraft and it's really efficient, has great features, outstanding performance, and it's amazing in basically every category. I think it's 💯 percent worth it to upgrade to the SR-22.👌 I actually got accepted to an aircraft maintenance program in Altus, Oklahoma. It will take up to a year and a half to two and a half years. I'm also most definitely still striving to become a pilot.

[@marcusagnich3503]

I live close to the cirrus headquarters and have been on a field trip there before

[@terencecottington4273]

Hi guys. With the markets the way they are, it would seem like the time to get this SR20 completed along with a new annual and then selling it one for a nice SR22..🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

[@Dhrjegjirfjngg]

Upgrade, always upgrade. You won't be sorry in the long run.

[@fabriceenjalbert4538]

🇫🇷discovering your channel .. great .. is aviation a passion or definitely your job ? Buying selling planes …?

[@donc9751]

Good thing it looks like you guys have plenty of fancy sports cars you can sell some off to help pay for the new engines and other issues with your plane.

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

Man I really feel sorry for these poor kids! Having to replace their Ferrari engine AND their Cirrus engine! And having to drive their Porsche, and fly in their Bonanza in the meantime. It's a tough life!

[@elik1491]

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Really disappointing and super tough for them lol

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

@@elik1491 Yeah those poor homeless people in our city streets have it easy eh. This is why we need an Eisenhower Era Corporate Tax Rate of 90% on these types of business's.

[@donc9751]

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp It sure is! I don't know how they bear it! 😜

[@craigmiller36]

I love you guys and your content....Thank you

[@SidebandSamurai]

Cut to scene, Money changing hands to sell the SR20. Cut to the purchase of an SR22. New plane arrives, the mechanic looks at it and discovers the whole engine needs to be replaced. Just like the SR20. Talk about luck! I really wish you guys good luck in finding an SR22 if that is the route you choose to go. Just remember all of the problems you went through getting this one running. The thinking seems correct but if it was my money to spend, I would hold on to the SR20 as you know exactly what is wrong with the aircraft. Fresh engine, and a new annual. The only way I would sell is if you have an incredible offer which would make sense.

[@chetmyers7041]

4:25 It isn't over until it is flying and the Total Cost is revealed! Is it due for another annual yet???

[@mikemccarron1162]

Keep the 20, has new engine, and will be good for along time and most importantly, you already know what’s been done with it, whereas a different plane, SR 22, you might have similar problems ad end up costing allot down the line. JMO.

[@alexschauer8013]

Could you guys do a cost break down video? I've watched all your videos for this and haven't found where you mention the purchase price and your original budget. It would be really helpful to have as a reference!

[@pedromedina7349]

then turbine engines should be less head pain ?

[@Muadib223]

Welcome to the joys of aircraft ownership... In the long run, it is cheaper to rent / lease an aircraft when you need to travel unless you fly more than 400 hours per year... Been there, done that, do the math...

[@jamesharkness1058]

Wow! You will have an incredible airplane when it is done.

[@JRGarage]

Thanks, definitely!

[@habu7176]

any sr-22 you buy with the proceeds of the sr-20 will only bring you down the well of fixing the new aircraft. stick with the sr-20. and fly.

[@mortontrimble4665]

I don't see anything after the mechanic started unloading the engine from the trailer. Is the engine back in the plane?

[@thesearcherman6652]

Been waiting and waiting. Maybe you will consider making more youtube vid’s to finance the plane? Thanks.

[@johnclement4158]

Your plane will have had a complete overhaul, essentially a new engine, will have been inspected and I assume found to be in excellent condition. At that point it will be more valuable than it ever will be again so if you want to take advantage of the favorable market and move up to an SR22, that will be the time to do it. Get your plane finished and pull the trigger.

[@Nektopoulo]

Does the 22 suffer from the same crank case issue?

[@JRGarage]

I don’t think so

[@ingresswizard9044]

Upgrade if you can.

[@N937LC]

Watch the AOPA SR-22 vs RV-10. Hands down the RV-10 would be on my list.

[@charlesburkholder9110]

Get your licenses on the Sr20, upgrade immediately when you are finished.

[@NowSmile4TheCamera]

I saw your plane posted on controller and seems like it went under contract almost right away. Congrats! Question...what are you seeing in difference in insurance rates with the 22 vs the 20?

[@dieselyeti]

How much did you pay for the plane? I assume you had a pre-buy inspection done before parting with the $$?

[@aaronmills4238]

Do,you,still have the all electric plane on order

[@davidduganne5939]

Speaking of other expenses that need to be factored in: when does your CAPS need to be replaced? How much does that cost?

[@JRGarage]

About $18,000, but this one is good for a couple more years!

[@albertoacevedo5465]

Welcome to aviatíon $$$

[@flymoore_aviation]

The problem with a 22 is it just makes an already difficult aircraft to learn in even harder to learn in. Everything happens so much faster

[@skycop56]

I own a Vans RV6 and absolutely love it. Compare a RV10 to a SR22 and see what you think. There is a video on KZbin that compares them.

[@JRAviation]

Given we're 6'6, the cabin is just a little too small in the RV10

[@augustburrichter3078]

Great video! I've been following you guys since you picked up the Cirrus and I'm loving the journey! I'm a CFI in Phoenix/Scottsdale and would love to help you guys study for your written exams, or would be happy to go over any topics you may have questions on!

[@JRAviation]

Wow thank you so much! Can you shoot us a DM? @jraviation1

[@augustburrichter3078]

@@JRAviation Will do!

[@stevenpdxedu]

Well, now we know why the skies aren't full of stop and go traffic (relitively speaking). I wonder what it would have cost just to rent one? Hmm, Sell and by a Cessna 182 or two 172s.

[@brucecuratola6389]

That’s a good idea. Sell the SR-20 and buy a 172. Become pilots, get instrument ratings, put a couple hundred hours into flying THEN buy the SR-22 or other high performance aircraft such as a Mooney 20J.

[@larrymayberry2312]

From the market standpoint I personally think selling the 20 and getting into a 22 would be prudent considering the cost differentials.

[@andrewjaramillo6091]

Full send the 22

[@jamesvelvet3612]

Wait. What? Just the engine case was $12,000 ??? Holy Smokes!!

[@brucecuratola6389]

Complete overhauls for the larger engine on the SR-22, Continental IO-550, figure $50k. Continentals appear to fail early - Lycommings seem to go further.

[@JumboShr1mp]

Train in sr20 get IFR ticket for both then sell it.

[@CaptainCurt07]

✅ Now u basically have new plane, really nice guys!

[@austindaniel1776]

Personally, I would take advantage of the peak market and upgrade to the sr22.

[@jamesvelvet3612]

Doesn't a rising tide lift everything?

[@billcarrier9622]

Sell the SR20 and buy a nice Experimental aircraft (Vans, Sling, or Lancair) and make money on the deal. You can be flying the same week you buy and everything gets cheaper by half or more.

[@grayhawkflighttraining4044]

I'm a CFI and a plane owner. DO NOT BUY A 22 YET!!!! The 20 is a better plane to learn on. Become proficient in that then move to the 22.

[@jacovandenberg7152]

Duh! Welcome to the aviation world!!!

[@dsrgarage]

Don’t really want to knock out ground school to early anyway. After you take your written test I’m pretty sure you only have a year to complete the flight review anyway.

[@andreastesterman4766]

I disagree, it’s only taken me 7 months to get my license after doing groundschool and passing the test and that’s only flying two times a week minimum so it might be worth it what they’re doing

[@camerongoodwin2020]

@@andreastesterman4766 I agree. My training timeline was almost the exact same as what you stated.

[@naveenv4227]

i am waiting to see your electric aircraft flying video.

[@JRAviation]

Hopefully this summer we’ll be up visiting Bye Aerospace!

[@michaelchandler9402]

Go for it ,the SR 22 is a great plane. I own a 2021 SR 22 T.

[@hellfire08]

Sr22? Ha. Sr71 or bust 😤😂

[@garydurn7983]

Good job on this project guys, I was worried it might end upside down 👍

[@danwaldie4661]

SR 22 is sophisticated ac. While it is possible to learn to fly on it the SR 20 is better trainer.

[@JimHoward]

I just hate seeing an aircraft hangar used for auto storage.

[@billgardner9328]

Cirrus is one of the most expensive singles to maintain. But you make tons of $$ on KZbin, spend it getting time learning Cirrus. Then if you want, get a twin turboprop and hire a pro to safely fly you around. You can fly in style and I won’t have to read about you both ( like the wreck!)

[@zenvairpilot]

I wouldn't sell until you get more time in the air. But if I were in your shoes look at an RV10.

[@dale5898]

Spend a hundred k to get a 15k license?

[@pdspartner1]

you guys are in the world of aviation now....the cost of a new aero engine dwarfs the most expensive auto engine you have ever dealt with...now you see why....

[@myothercarisaz3]

The SR 22 is too complex and fast for pilot rookies like you. You should first learn how to fly and gain sufficent experience with your solid SR 20 before upgrading.

[@chawkinz]

SR20 is a dog in the heat. What were these guys thinking?

[@jrgarageshorts3012]

SR22 👀

[@larrymarcrum2483]

Are you going to get a pilot license? I find it strange that you have someone flying for you. It’s like owning your Lamborghini, but having someone chauffeur you.

[@tannerb55]

$26 oil analysis next time

[@brucecuratola6389]

No. Since neither of you are pilots, those high performance planes kill short hour pilots. Your insurance, if you can get it, will be through the roof. Put a couple hundred hours on the SR-20. Green engine failures are a problem too. The market will remain hot. Have you considered a partner? Also, another plane - another potential engine overhaul. Keep what you have.

[@danl.909]

Sell and upgrade, but if you are planning to use it on long trips, GET A TURBO! You will never want to go back once you fly behind a TC engine.

[@Nord3202]

That overhauled Continental engine won't be much better than your old engine. Continental engines are all junk. Sell that plane asap get a good reliable Lycoming engine plane. Or your going take it deep again & again even with a sr 22. TCM cylinders are shit. Continentals don't have nitrided barrels or sodium cooled valves like a Lycoming engine. Continentals wear out cylinder bores & burn exhaust valves. They got shit compression from new. Thats why they need the master orifice to pass the compression test at 42psi. Lycomings pass will 70 or above no problem. And fish knows this very well.

[@iangulliver3841]

The real question is, will Owen support the acquisition of the 22? Can you survive the Cirrus owner memes? Only time will tell.

[@JRAviation]

ahhahahahah true

[@bondarp]

Upgrade

[@dale5898]

More money than sense club.

[@rockbiterhd]

I would rather a hit in the pocket than a bigger hit when you hit the ground👍(sell)

[@DanFrederiksen]

But guys, the reason you pay jetfighter prices for 1950 engines is that they never fail. You have that guarantee that it never needs to be repaired.

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

You are being sarcastic right! These pathetic old 1950 designs have a TBO of about 2,000hrs. Modern internal combustion engines in all other forms of transportation last at least 3x that!

[@latemarch2]

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Other engines don't run at 75% throttle for hours at a time.

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

@@latemarch2 Except for those in Railroad engines, diesel trucks, generators etc etc. These air-cooled pushrod engines with their ancient magneto's are dinosaurs. The only reason they have not advanced is the ridiculously conservative regulatory certification requirements.

[@DanFrederiksen]

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp I was slightly scathingly sarcastic yes :) I have the utmost disdain for Incontinental and Lycoming. It's one thing to sell old junk but an IO580 retails for 141k$. Last I checked that's real money.

[@leemontgomery7914]

$12K?!!😢🤮🤯

[@Call_Me_Zain]

Sell and upgrade SR22

[@John170B]

Get a c150 for 15k, easy plane to checkride in, than get a cirrus or bananza.

[@fellow7000]

Ok, now you start to copy the difference between auto and aviation industries 😉

[@Howrider65]

Poor rich babies never worked a hard day in there lives..

[@courtman007]

Sell and Buy an RV-10

[@JRAviation]

Rear seats are too small :(

[@ernestgalvan9037]

Ah yes, another aircraft hangar renter using it to store automobiles. 🤔

[@andrewdancer8520]

It’s about time someone kicked these old clunky overweight motors out of GA. Think how many high output engines are out there in European cars. All good for 200,000 highway miles with nothing more than oil and filter changes. A much harsher environment than an aircraft, cold starts and running on highways before warm up, stop/start, idling in traffic. Automobile engines far better than any CO out there.

[@embg]

hmmm, instead of buying the "cheapest" you could have bought a much more loaded, well maintained example :-( Thank God you are rich and its free YT Money :-)

[@fatboyarizonareed8277]

First hell ya

[@Alphamutts]

sell and get a sr-22

[@derektaylor1111]

Start applying for your 3rd Class Medical sooner than later

[@camerongoodwin2020]

THIS COMMENT. This is what I wish someone would have told me when I started my flight training. I applied right before I was supposed to solo and of course hit a small snag which took MONTHS to work out with the FAA which uses snail mail. Anytime you send mail or a reply via mail to them it takes about two months to get a reply. So the whole process took about 5 months and in that time I couldn't solo! So frustrating! Great advise in this comment!

[@derektaylor1111]

@@camerongoodwin2020 same thing happened to me as well !

[@05greendmax]

Sell the 20

[@Sam_Holt]

You two newbies are getting rolled by your mechanic.

[@yeetsterdude9166]

Second

[@dale5898]

Sell it. Run like your hair is on fire.

[@davidfarrish9000]

To much talking not enough show

[@JRAviation]

Not a whole lot to show without a engine on the plane, but lots of info to catch you all up on...

[@davidfarrish9000]

I understand that but I don’t need to listen to you two talk over and over the same points. Just go get the AMR and have him explain what’s going on, you guys are not the experts. I’m a AME IA and you override the expert.