Our First Models | Hobby Talk ep. 1

[@Afrodoode16]

matt don't chop this, it's so wholesome and nice

[@Th3Aft3rshock57]

Nah man, this show is super fun and these conversations are pretty interesting for someone that just started 40k imo

[@Helixassassin]

What army did you pick? I started in november and I'm building chaos soup

[@THRASHSTEP]

@@Helixassassin small world! I only started in November too, chaos soup as well! Iron warriors and death guard!

[@Helixassassin]

@@THRASHSTEP I'm doing chaos knights, black legion and Khorne daemons

[@MadPete]

@Aidan Ilic flamers. And plasma.

[@jackwinstone2945]

I started an army recently too, I’ve got around 1,900 points of imperial guard so far, still trying to keep up with the painting load 😂

[@marky2168]

Hey gitz! Let us know if there's anything you want to see on Hobby Talk! We out here

[@jacobgale4792]

How to deal with backlogs? I got like ~1.5k of Grey Knights unpainted

[@davidjohansson6271]

Do any of you play AoS? If so are there any plans to play it on DiceCheck?

[@mrmooney25]

@@jacobgale4792 Get to work or work for money to pay someone to do it.

[@harkinsaquatics]

How about a conversion corner both get the same model and a bunch of bits and see how different they are after.

[@marky2168]

@@davidjohansson6271 definitely have talked about it. No plans being launched on it just yet.

[@aidangraham7052]

Maybe you guys could showcase the armies? We got a brief look in the tournament, but it would be interesting to see your color schemes and lists up close (like the unboxing vids) edit: name the skull Gina

[@marky2168]

Right on man! We may have something like that coming soon!

[@JoeNathanYa]

@@marky2168 lol yeah maybeeeeee ;)

[@captainweekend5276]

from the sounds of it, Tom is using auric armour gold, which is a layer paint so it's deliberately thinner and will need more coats to build up a solid finish rather than retributor armour which is a base paint and will give a solid opaque coverage in a single coat.

[@tombeast7595]

I Think your absolutely right ill have to double check but thank you so much for that.

[@adammings2145]

@@tombeast7595 I've heard good things about Formula P3 metallics! Rhulic Gold SHOULD be a close match to Retributor Armour from them and I believe they give you more in a pot than Citadel. As long as you don't use Army Painter or Reaper metallics you should be fine.

[@claysk350]

@@adammings2145 what's closest to Gehenna gold?

[@NeonKnight83]

@@tombeast7595 I have no problems with Retributor Gold base paint. Definitely sounds like you were using a layer paint. Also remember with at least Citadel metallic paints, including a base metallic like Retributor, you want to add only a touch of water to thin them. You don’t want to be using the same amount of water you use to thin something like Corax White.

[@YOUHAVENOFRIENDSFOOL]

@@tombeast7595 look into videos on vallejo liquid gold. It's alcohol based so you have to thin with rubbing alcohol but it covers perfectly in one coat and is very smooth and extremely high quality. I use it for all my non chrome metallics now

[@pctheonly]

Hey there, I am a German with 3 sisters and we four are all starting into 40k at the moment. As I'm starting our #roadto40k on YT next week, your Hobby Talk is an perfect inspiration to me. To all who think "sounds cool, but i can't understand german" , I will upload a german and an english version of each video. Keep your quality up, Dicecheck, so I can try to get as good as you.

[@punkhippe]

I'm glad mark and tom have a show. I got attached to mark and tom through the tornament and was hoping they wouldnt fall off after. Its calming while I paint my 4 billion ork boyz.

[@michaeljames1334]

i really want to start orks. but the idea of painting all those boyz just isnt for me. all the good vibes to you! make ghaz proud!

[@punkhippe]

@@michaeljames1334 WELL THAKZ YA GROT! It's really not so bad. Plus you dont need boyz. I've seen a few ork buggy list that are badass and only run some grots as meat sheild for your mek gunz. The boy mob is a lot but it's not the only way to Gork and Morks heart.

[@duckguts6417]

These guys have the wholesome nerdy dad energy that my day's have always needed

[@pinguinthecity4603]

Really like this, I feel like 40k is full of stat analysis, tournament play and power gaming channels, so introducing a more chill, table talk/podcast just about the hobby and thoughts on the hobby is something I'm very interested in. Not saying that stat analysis doesn't have a place on the channel and I watch those videos but this is very interesting to me and I definitely want to see it continue.

[@trzynasty909]

My first minis were a set of 3 basic marines that I bought along with 3 chaos marines that were a gift for my brother (who was collecting Thousand Sons before they were their own thing, just upgraded basic CSM). We bought some paints (as all of his stuff was in the UK, he just came over for Christmas) and had some quality brother time painting them up and me listening to him talk about 40k. They look like horrible, but I still keep them, because they just are a good memory.

[@hubertman007]

for 2 guys without really "entertainment" experience it was great 30+ minutes of kinda podcasty stuff, good job boyz, also good idea, i will deffinietly tune in next week

[@k.w.mcgregor5147]

Definitely make more of these. Super interesting hearing people talking about the stuff they love. Especially since I'll probably never really be able to get into the hobby myself so I can live vicariously through you guys.

[@JavierEscuelIa]

Why wouldn't you ever be able to get into it? Is it finances or other responsibilities? Im just curious.

[@k.w.mcgregor5147]

@@JavierEscuelIa Mostly finances. I could obviously still play the game on tabletop simulator but I can't do the collecting, assembling and painting part of the hobby (which does seem like half of the fun to me). Not in the near future at least.

[@JavierEscuelIa]

@@k.w.mcgregor5147 I don't doubt you'll get the chance, my friend, and even if it's just the smallest lot off of eBay, I think you'll have a blast building and painting!

[@k.w.mcgregor5147]

@@JavierEscuelIa Thanks man. I hope you're right. Good fortune to you as well sir. May your paint last forever and your wallet never empty.

[@JavierEscuelIa]

@@k.w.mcgregor5147 Why, my wallet is always empty! It comes with the territory of this hobby.

[@milkpillesmilkpilles3042]

I love these guys! Good call inviting these two to join Dice Check!

[@fl8m76]

I enjoyed this a lot, the conversational tone and trip down memory lane was great

[@xoomster9595]

my Vote for the Servo skulls name is Calvaria (kal·veh·ree·uh) Cal for short. The calvaria is the top part of the skull. It is the upper part of the neurocranium and covers the cranial cavity containing the brain. It forms the main component of the skull roof. I dunno if you already named him i know i'm a couple months late but yea i like them themed names that fit what they are side note love the videos can't wait to get to the other 4(?)

[@Gashblaze]

I got my first model when I was 10 (25 now) my uncle came from England and was showing me this hobby as well as the video games at the time. And I just fell in love with it. The first model I got was a Tau Broadside Battlesuit and this was back when the main body was plastic and the rail guns were metal. So that thing was a pain when it would break, but man was it worth it to have that thing blow up tanks across the map in one shot. Sadly don't know where it is now though

[@marky2168]

Broadside is a dope first model. I definitely feel the pain with part metal part plastic models always falling apart lol

[@curtiss4981]

Mark, I can completely empathise with you on the limited hobby time. I have a wife, 13 month old twins, full-time work and university. I just got back into the hobby and have a whooooole bunch of astra militarum to assemble and paint. It will take a long time, but be worth it in the end. Speed painting might be something I need to learn. Keep up the good work guys, love your channel. Peace out.

[@marky2168]

Thanks for the love man. Stay strong! I did really good with 30-60min of dedicated hobby time every night. Something like that might help!

[@narkxis5691]

Leaving a comment to help with the algorithm and also to help feed mark's daughter! For real, 'tho, this is hella fun to watch and I'm loving the banter in general. Felt just like being with two great friends who share a passion for WH40K. Please, Matt, don't take this away from me! Also, I'd name the skull Hamy, as an homage to Hamlet. Keep it up, guys, you are helping ALOT of people by making the confinement a little more bearable. Lotsa love.

[@Shea-Key]

The secret to metallic gold is to use Vallejo metallics, all their metallics go on in one coat over almost any base color

[@nichjantzen7360]

This made building my putrid blightkings go a bit faster; this is my new favorite series on the channel!

[@kerorododo]

I was washing dishes just listening to you guys talk. Most fun I've had after a day of boring work.

[@resor7820]

So first model I glued was overlord, and since I glued it (with some warriors and immortals) it is still in painted. It is probably, 5 or 6 years old now, so nothing crazy, but only recently I got back to being interested in 40k (thanks to streams more specifically), so he probably will get painted sooner than later now

[@deang8017]

Pro tip on the gold paint issue. I have found that Citadel Gold paints go really well over a base coat of Warlock Bronze which is basically a metallic brown.

[@peytonbennett63]

you guys have some serious chemistry and on screen charisma. I really want to have more of these! Best of luck you guys!

[@Drawingtheline101]

This was so fun. I would love to have more of this to listen to as I paint my own miniatures. It's like having friends in the room and in this pandemic that is something I think many of us are lacking. So, please keep making these!

[@davisbyrd2338]

I'm still really new to the hobby and enjoy the hobby side more than the game side so this show was awesome to listen to while I paint away

[@adamthebatmanwest]

More of this content would be great! These two have good chemistry and a 30-60 min podcast style show would be awesome

[@TheShmyt]

This shit is great; perfect down to earth 40k content, and great for listening when I'm painting and building. My first wargaming models are the AdMech starter box (the one with the scorpius and the dominus). My first model I painted is the first character I ever played with my DnD group; a dragonborn fighter. Matt please donate just 1 dollar a day to keep Mark's children fed.

[@marky2168]

In the aaaaarms of an angel! lmao thanks for the support my dude

[@danielreimel7654]

I’m just getting into 40k, it’s so interesting to hear people’s story’s about their past games and the friendships they’ve made from the hobby. Definitely keep going with this show, it’s good fun!

[@straps6603]

this was great! i think segments where other hobbiests talk about the hobby is the greatest thing to paint to... helps me reminisce to the old days, chilling with my 5 friends in my moms basement when i was 14 painting highelves that had googly eyes. its relaxing, i painted most of my dkok leman russ to this, awesome!

[@PoofyKittyPants]

To do any metallic you have to start with a black undercoat and start with a citadel base metallic, (Balthazar for a darker gold/brassy look - Retribution for a brighter gold) then go to a citadel layer paint to bring it to where you want it. Layer paints have less pigment so they are easier to blend but don't cover well from a totally different color.

[@Ben-fk9ey]

The Valejo model air metallics are awesome too, go on really smooth with a brush and have great pigmentation!

[@alfadasfire]

It's super fun to hear you talk so enthousiastically about something you are passionate about! Please continue this!

[@harkinsaquatics]

Iggy the servo scull. My first model was an emperors champion painted in a mix of Bolt metal and blue ink with the sword and back when you could play him in any chapter. He was a salamander.

[@joenelson3731]

I really enjoyed this. Maybe you could showcase entire armies/paint schemes you guys used, cause I’ve only see little bit from the tournament. Another thing is I myself am a have both AoS and 40K armies, and I was wondering what your thoughts were on the AoS side of things. Love the show and I hope Matt keeps it alive

[@jacksonashworth150]

My White Scars successor army I paint using citadel paint almost all metallic silver and gold. Citadel has fantastic metallic paints you just need to know how to apply them. Retributor is by far the best gold base to start with it's a great mid gold with just two layers so you can make it brighter with lighter golds like Auric Armor or darker with a shade like Reikland Fleshshade. Which I'll usually do both, I'll give it two to three thin coats of Retributor gold then apply a highlight of Auric Gold then thin it down and apply it like a glaze over the rest of the gold where the highlights on the main part of the armor would be then in the recesses and the corners I'll trace Reikland Fleshshade to give it contrast and make the brighter parts pop.

[@NeonKnight83]

Agreed. I haven’t really used a lot of other brands, but I don’t understand the hate Citadel metallics get.

[@melodybentley2386]

My first model was a Plague Marine--I was introduced to the world of 40k through a friend running a campaign oneshot in Dark Heresy. Fell down the lore rabbit hole, started reading rules, and then found Kill Team. Bought a box of Plague Marines, and now here I am 3 factions deep, working on my first full army as Salamanders.

[@100LittleChinamen]

Dig it! The hobby portion is such a large portion of it and it's nice to hear those narrative stories and how models become immortalized haha! Keep it up guys!

[@gabrielcollingwood6351]

best bromance in the diceCheck group, my first models were a 5 man tactical squad when i went on a holiday to the uk my dad took me to 5 different GW stores and we claimed the free demo models and ended up with a combat squad

[@heimirsindri21]

I really enjoyed this please continue this series

[@konstantinshevchuk160]

I've been dreaming about warhammer models for more than 30 years. Back in 1988 back in Moscow when my father brought first booklet of WH 40k, I did not know english at that time, I was just magnetized by pictures, models, armies, battles, terrain. 30 years later I moved to Germany with my family, my friends bought me one set of easy to build plague marines with couple of paints. 6 months have past. Last night I ordered last pieces of my 2000pt Eldar Ulthwe army, 90% of it painted, I have over 40 paints, dozen of brushes and I can not decide if I want Sisters of battle or Space Marines next, or maybe add some Drokhari to my list... :)) Thank you guys for sharing your memories made me want to share as well.

[@marky2168]

I love it, thanks for sharing!

[@cyrosim]

I love this, it's sort of like a podcast honestly and just nice to have going on listening to two dudes talk about a hobby they really enjoy.

[@deadmenish]

really enjoy this pilot of this hobbytalk getting into your opinion on the hobby and stuff really helps lighten up peoples mood about having a hobby

[@robertburthiv6739]

This brings the personality to the game. It has that common man feel. This is the humanity the channel needs! You let my babies eat!

[@anthonycastro9421]

I play age of sigmar but watching these two dudes talk about the love and experiences of the hobby got me. Great job. You gained a sub today.

[@SaltySeadogKP14]

This is awesome!! I'd love to see your guy's army and hear you tell about their backstory/lore especially if you guys have a custom story for your models! I think that's so cool!

[@lucas45389]

Talking about how legends are born. I was playing my Vostroyan guard versus a Renegades and heretics list of my buddies and my Lord Commissar on his own killed 4 units of traitor guard, the enemy warlord, a sentinel and with a bolt pistol killed the Leman Russ.

[@marky2168]

Love it!!

[@rjabaquita9063]

I have no idea about 40k but I find listening to stuff like this very relaxing. I hope you guys are okay and continue to do the things you love to do.

[@liveteddy]

First model I painted was a Hive Tyrant, before I even played a game after buying about 2000 points of bugs. I dove in deep into this hobby immediately to say the least.

[@GR1MG0R]

I'm a really big fan of this content. I hope it continues

[@ZeroGamerAssassin]

After watching your Imperium video and the tournament vods, I got back into 40k and am working on my first 2000 point army with AdMech. Thanks for reawakening my love for the hobby

[@pineconelizard1663]

Maybe bring Matt in and talk about the state of tyranid monsters and how some could be improved. I’m personally extremely found of trygons, trygon primes, and mawlocs.

[@nathanwarden2156]

I started watching dicecheck during the tournament! So glad you both joined the squad. Too both add an awesome dynamic to the crew

[@Observatron]

Absolutely loved this video. It was great to watch/listen to while painting my minis. It made me excited knowing all the fun people who play 40k have. I've never played a game (yet) but I can say this really makes me want to dive deeper into the hobby.

[@anialater46]

Had a blast listening to yall! I'd love to hear more stories about games and such and special plot armored models you've had over the years.

[@MechaSushiX]

My first models were a pack of genestealers back in 2nd, long since lost. Great pilot episode 👍

[@TastyTrevor]

This is a fun show especially because, as yall said, 40k is a fuckin rabbit hole so finding topics is easy peasy. My start into 40k was right near the end of highschool I think. Im not an army owner though I do want to buy a few units just for the looks of them, but I am a lore fanatic hard core. I got into the universe with the old dark crusade games and once I did a bit of digging and saw how much there was I was hooked. It got to the point that one time during training in the Army, my buddy found a copy of the first book of the horus heresy in one of the abandoned buildings and kept it under his vest until he saw me again to give it to me. Now my library is huge and growing bigger every chance I get.

[@gymdarkgaming1413]

Thats awesome man! The great thing about me is I have a horrible memory so I love hearing the lore over and over again lol

[@Dowdcomllc]

I started playing 40k in 2nd Edition in 1994 and still have my very first models. My first models were the pewter Long Fang pack

[@gatezj4888]

A shop talk show like this is exactly what I was hoping to see from you guys. Looking forward to the next!

[@drstone8144]

The reason why I started 40k is because of Matt video”Journey to 40k” Once again thx for creating cool content for us to watch and learn and listen as a broadcast while doing our paint job

[@jamesperry9197]

I was painting while I watched this and just wanted to say I could listen to you guys rant about stuff for a pretty long time lol. Hope the series keeps going!

[@nimfadoro1169]

I’m excited for more of this! I particularly enjoy all the talk of what color scheme people choose for their armies and why. The hobby is just so able to take so many different personal preferences into something you can easily share and enjoy!

[@Maya_Ruinz]

Great video, my first painted model was a simple termagant for my first army. I made sure to paint on the bottom of the base a number 1 so I can always know which one was the first. It came out pretty well, this was back during 4th edition so the only tips I had were from White Dwarf mags.

[@philthyphil5561]

As someone new to the hobby it was great to listen to how much you guys love this stuff, but I need to hear more about orks from Mark.

[@marky2168]

haha its coming man!

[@W00t199]

Please do more! So so genuine and fun how you guys talk about a hobby you love. Just one question; do any of you guys play Age of sigmar? And if so please god do a episode of it!! 😃😃

[@marky2168]

Our buddy Ryan played fantasy! We can definitely have him educate us about fantasy and AOS!

[@NerdWarpNine]

plot armor ork in our circle is Sgt Meltface. A lucky blue git that has taken meltas and plasmas to the face and made all the 6+ invulns or 6+ FNP. I scratched out his face and added green stuff so now his face looks... melted...

[@darkalbervideos]

I just recently started and heariing your stories and watching you all happy makes me want to go really deep into Warhammer. Keep it up! And thanks for all of the amazing content!

[@petecran125]

For painting gold/silver/bronze I recommend base coating in iron/silver first and layering gold over it :)

[@apoltanis]

Matt dont you dare cut this, these guys are so lovely and have brilliant chemsitry

[@alexknouse9133]

My first GW model was also actually a Crisis Suit. I'd been building Gunpla for years, so of course I decided to play Tau. After my first 3-pack I bought the starter box, got them painted up and played throughout highschool. Still got that army somewhere

[@notoriouschamp7984]

for ur knights trim use retributor armour not liberator gold thats a layer paint

[@NeonKnight83]

I have no problems using Retributor Gold. Either dingus is using a gold layer paint, or waters his paint down wayyyyyyy to much. Retributor Gold needs very little water.

[@notnubilous3804]

Also, look into Vallejo's metal color Gold

[@notoriouschamp7984]

@@NeonKnight83 i agree

[@knightpaladin9841]

or Balthasar gold, good coverage and highlights up nicely

[@dollybaba4961]

Sick new format. Really looking forward to the next episode. As a beginner, I think I can take away much from these.

[@yuuka4964]

Pretty good to listen to while painting.

[@danielbeam3113]

Don't thin down Retributor Armor. I know it goes against the "thin your paints" mantra, but taking it straight out of the pot and applying it a little bit at a time gets the best results.

[@NeonKnight83]

I use just a touch of water. But yeah, don’t thin down your metallics like a regular base or layer paint. Even GW says to just use a little bit of water to thin metallics.

[@francescomolinari786]

I love this kind of format! And you, Tom and Mark, fit in fantastically

[@adamhanson5565]

From my experience, Vallejo metalics (really Vallejo paints in general) are so much better than Citadel.

[@Thuggnasty707]

yeah vallejo are hands down my favorite paints.

[@kennethward5564]

Metal colour aluminium is one of the best metallics on the market

[@mnotdavid]

Their Model Colors are even imo, but their Game Air Metallics are a GAMECHANGER

[@jasonarce5169]

I was just going to write that.

[@nightmagnus7595]

I ain't paid, but P3 cold steel and pig iron is some incredible shit, but it's watery stuff

[@jivanking1624]

My first was this Adeptus custodies guard squad and I painted them all pink and silver but then changed them to a bronze and navy blue recently.

[@1estebandido1]

Godamm I kinda wanna see more of this two dudes talking about being able to feed their families and minis

[@slobgobgoblin2569]

I’m really excited for this series

[@morgymomo8535]

this is super wholesome and nice, please do not scrap it

[@davidforrester6850]

I’d love to see Marks tau army cause I don’t think I’ve ever really seen it before I also really enjoyed this episode it was great!

[@marky2168]

I had to sell then unfortunately v.v I might still have some crappy photos! Lol

[@rodneyr5266]

Use Vallejo Metal Color. You can use the gold which has a tint of green, but you can glaze on top to change the color. This is a strong paint that goes on smooth in one coat most of the time

[@infalleo6830]

You guys are so entertaining, since the tournament I grew to be a big Marky Mark fanboy! Pls continue to do this, you guys are way too entertaining. I woulda probly gone orkz to have fun but i went with Slaanesh instead. Keep up the amazing work!

[@davidpena3028]

Show is awesome. I found it because of Bricky and stayed because of all of you. You guys do a great job. Keep doing this. Its fun learning 40k, especially for someone like me, a noob. Thanks guys

[@TeoPerezDrums]

You guys are, IMHO, the most carismatic 40k channel crew right now, it doesnt matter what you talk about, as long as you keep it real and talk about something you are really passionate about. It can be armies showcase (btw im a huge Thousand Sons fans, you could get some of those), Casual Battlereps, Killteam reps, terrain showcases, NEW CODEX REVIEWS (like the Jon P one), and hobby talks like this. cheers

[@jonathanphousirith1155]

Hey! We have some people in our group (Matt/Dameki/me) that are looking to soup some Thousand Sons with various Chaos factions in the near future :)

[@TeoPerezDrums]

Jonathan Phousirith Glad to hear!!

[@mitchhoney2862]

This was brilliant to listen to while i paint :) also i vote that the skull be named "Skull'ey McSkull Face"

[@OutlawFixit]

Just got a knight myself and I'm painting it like Ulric Von Lichtenstien from A Knight's Tale. Oh and I think you should name the skull Orex.

[@SoCPlasma]

Definitely looking forward to more episodes of this

[@myamazingpony1897]

This is great, please make this a thing^^ I'll watch it all!

[@Sayvonite]

I want more. This is really cozy and I love hearing other people's Warhammer stories

[@Daidalus2]

This comment is to feed Mark's daughter. Also I love the format.

[@zebwheeler5683]

I was playin my imperial fists firstborn chapter against some orks. The ork player brought 20 grots, da red gobbo and makari. All the Grots died pretty quick to my dread, except 1. This regular grot went on to take out my captain in terminator armour before then being absolutely destroyed by a tactical sqaud. Never gave him a name, but I’m going to play the same guy’s tyrannids vs my chaos cultist army after lockdown is eased, so we will see

[@kassill3786]

So like middle of high school me and my step brother end up in a hobby shop, like planes and trains type because the owner sold old comic books so we would go and dig in the bins. We kept seeing these cool models in a display case at the counter and found similar boxes and blisters in a small corner. We went home and got onto gw website, the old one that had artwork and lore descriptions of each unit and spent hours scouring the site. A week or so later I was at a book store and saw a book with the same logo and bought it, Death World - a catacahn novel. I read the whole thing that night and the next day went to the hobby store and bought the old metal Catachan snipers and like 6 paints. I still have never collected them as a whole army but really want to. I have the snipers boxed away somewhere.

[@ericm1238]

Love this! Love personal stories of the hobby and what it means to people. Keep it up!

[@Rubo2333]

This was a ton of fun. Great to listen to while building models and painting.

[@adambattaglia2492]

This is lovely. Truly delightful. Please continue story time with the Karp Crew.

[@tonylusardi5767]

For gold. Use the Vallejo Metal Colors line. The ones that come in the bigger then a dropper bottle. They're GREAT. Wonderful coverage. You're welcome

[@grzegorzantczak3775]

"I hate gold paint" and "I'm using citadel" - mystery solved.

[@atlas6538]

Citadel gold paints are amazing, especially retrobutor armour

[@NeonKnight83]

Heresy!

[@Aconspiracyofravens1]

yeah, vallejo lives

[@zachthorne3085]

Honestly vallejo liquid gold is worth it's weight gold

[@ZhysaytheBandit]

@@atlas6538 try Vallejo Liquid Gold and then say that

[@macennh]

this is awesome, please more of this

[@dean2_]

When me and my brother play 40k, he has a pox Walker with a chaos space marine chainsword arm painted to look like a lamentor had fallen to chaos. The model is now known as fat Bob

[@tombeast7595]

Heck yeah Love to hear this

[@okneves9512]

I haven't used much of it yet, but I did not run into any problems with 'retributor armor' gold paint on 'lead belcher' primed minis.