Our hobby FAILURES | S1E14

[@trappedunderplastic]

Lots of Sprudes and Spruettes have been asking about my painting racks in the background, so I've added the link in the show notes above. Cheers! -Jon

[@GEOg3n3siz]

You like minis? painting? 3d printing? - All you need is to search for nailpolish on amazon...

[@BlackMagicCraftOfficial]

If you guys come to Winnipeg I’ll take you out to the chicken tendy restaurant where the honey dill was invented. Deal?

[@dougsundseth6904]

As a part of my job, I do product photography. One of the commissions I got was to photograph several metal sheets with different finishes in a way that the difference would be apparent to a casual viewer. No simple lighting setup could give me anything that looked right. It was only when I went to extraordinary lengths that I could get the result that I (and my customer) was looking for. NMM is entirely artificial. I took a class with Marike Reimer that included the topic of NMM. She very explicitly said that she didn't worry about any sort of realism at all in NMM, only what looked good. Do that.

[@terrydactyl2077]

Oh right. I’m new to the hobby and new to anything artistic. I want to start practicing NMM really soon but in my head I was wondering how to get the reflections correct. I thought the only way would be to make a glossy base coat and then photo the model under a bright light. But then I thought that’s probably not how reflection truly work with metal. But then maybe what you are saying here is what most people do?

[@strohutjunge2497]

For anyone who wants to know which model Jon means on 19:40. Its from the soulwars box and on the gw-site you can use the 360!-option to see what he means. I have to say Jon you are absolutley right. How did they miss that? link to the model: www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Age-Of-Sigmar-Soul-Wars-2018-ger

[@jonashenriksson2182]

That´s so funny, no idea how that passed QA :D

[@irotrix]

This podcast feels like a hobby therapy session

[@infinite13390]

Great to hear you bless my ears at the start of my week!

[@NatesMiniatures]

Best pod cast to listen to while painting ^_^

[@johnbruce4004]

Time to produce Trapped Under Plastic tendies sauce range! Also called goujons in Ireland.

[@alphabassist]

“End of Ze World” is the old eBaums-era cartoon Jon was referencing, I believe.

[@r0cky0v]

That is a pretty sweet earth

[@ericnewcomer8415]

But I’m le’ tired

[@1R0QU012]

@@ericnewcomer8415 Well... Take a nap!

[@Manjanek]

21:00 Kaizens- Small goals or milestones that can help parse out en route to a greater goal. Great tool for time management.

[@madsbojensen1]

Uh! You painted Relicblade, Jon -glad more people are discovering these! 90% of my painting is RB. Favorite game, favorite minis, with just the *right* amount of details☺

[@w00dymatt]

Excellent cast as always, loving it. Can confirm; commission painting can suck... I have done one in my life, a Necron army for a friend. About 100 models, was the single most painful painting experience I have ever had, by the end I wanted to smash any Necron model to pieces with a sledgehammer.

[@rubenlopezcatalan8661]

Painted Eltharion on Stormwing when I was 14ish? Just plain base colours, amazing. 2 years later GW opens in my home city and I discover that you can actually hihlight the minis! Went back home looking for a solution to remove the paint (pre internet era in Spain). My first and brilliant Hommer Simpson logic idea was: “if I warm up the paint it will melt (like chocolate) and will wash down the mini”. Hence I put the mini (metal) in the microwaves. After 1 second the inside of the microwaves was sparking and making fume. Turned it off and I pretended I did not know why the microwave required 3 minutes to warm up the milk after that point...

[@redrooster7371]

Thanks for the tip about the Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-charger. Finally a GW model with a space to put a big freehand on. :D

[@JanuineVision]

Niiiice.... nothing takes the shite out of Monday better than a new episode of TuP ;)

[@ModernSynthesist]

Can't comment on commission painting, but commission conversions and sculpting, for me, are rewarding so long as it's not what you're making money from. If you're doing it on the side of your real job, you're free to turn down commissions that aren't interesting. I've loved using commissions to realize new ideas/concepts on models that I don't need to own at the end. My own blood angel commission was when I wanted to make a big Haemonculus coven, but I didn't have the money for it. So I found someone who wanted to commission it and got to realize my ideas on his models. Didn't care about not owning them in the end because it was the concept experimentation that felt valuable.

[@mini-paintingpapa]

Group X!!! I love them!! The super Mario Twins is a good one too! Hahaha

[@x31omega]

Love this crazy fun pod cast. You guys crack me up while puting out great knowledge. Sub for life.

[@Emceedonald]

Me: *opens youtube, forgetting its monday* Jon and Scott: Allows us to introduce ourselves. Also: Since the beginning of this podcast 'tendies' has become a standard part of my vocabulary.

[@chuck-n-debtaylor7553]

Love the, “Scott broke my basement!” excuse 👍🏻

[@chrisstrickland1400]

Love the podcast! I've only listened before but just started watching instead. With the airbrush station in the background, from the looks of it, is it going through a couple of furnace filters and not exhausting it outside?

[@Ninjon]

Yup, two furnace filters then wall.

[@SPACENOMADMALEV]

Did someone say Relicblade ?!!?!! Yes! Sean sculpts are amazing and he's only barely stepping into his prime!!

[@voidwraithprime8521]

"In Bruges" is a great, great movie

[@Dipstick14]

I watch these mainly while i do my commission painting and now im sad......hahaha

[@finkmonkeyful]

Another great episode!

[@byebyebuy]

RE: GW painting the back of models There is evidence out there on forums that the imperial guard stuff used for the box art was just sprayed black and sold. A guy stripped the black primed model he got off ebay and underneath he had all the camo's from the boxart, pulled them out the green mid-strip and matched up painted text and details. Even conversions matched and one of the models was the OG tank with all the missiles on (forget the name)

[@juanvaldez7083]

Vallejo model color military green is the best tasting paint. Worst has to be hexwraith flame from gw.

[@santiagolozoya4940]

Will tase both. Thank you

[@aerlands100]

In Bruges- The tables have turned! Maybe the first reference Scott makes that Jon doesn't get? Agreed though- entertaining movie!

[@bryal7811]

1:10 But I'm Le' Tired....

[@Chronic.]

Oh my God Scott dropt a Reference and Jon didn‘t get it! Gotta mark that Day!!! 🤣😍 In Bruges is really good btw. entertaining watch. Keep ze gud stuff flowing Guys, favorite Show besides that Italian Hitman and his Professor! You know who 😏

[@gggfx4144]

I wish I had someone who was such a good friend they ask "do you want to break anything else?" XD Also, Shfifty Five... did not expect that reference!

[@Jkos1980]

a resent failure I did, did not fix the top of my white ink before shaking it, and wearing newly washed dark pants :P

[@miniPuddi]

the b plot of dobby being chaotic is just -chef's kiss'-

[@maxey1977]

I had to stop commission painting, I was under charging for my work and felt it drain my passion and creativity away.

[@zombiehunter5000]

I think what can be a game changer to get you guys to try commission painting again is, managing client expectations. This is my job as a professional in advertising. I apply it to my comission painting. Before I close a client, I make sure theyre willing to WAIT and PAY for the quality of work I am willing to COMFORTABLY provide. If a deal doesn't meet any of those, it ain't worth pursing. Of course this method may not pay the bills per se, but you could still have som extra cash on hand minus the anxiety and headaches.

[@markinkielihetket5913]

Very true about the joy of not having to paint too many dingly danglies on a mini. That’s why I like old school stuff. Far more simples the sculpts.

[@vaultfox]

thanks for getting 'schfifty five' stuck in my head

[@teamredshirt]

Replying just onthe off chance i can make it happen again 😜

[@socklips7655]

Band-X are the ones who did "SCHFIFTY-FIVE". Unsure who did the superb animation that we all know and love.

[@duhddbutler3527]

I listen to this as I am mulling over the spread sheet of the commission I have accepted for a friend. Looking at the amount of hours I am putting into the miniatures versus the pay...I am making something like $5/hour. This is a learning experience for sure, painting and time management.

[@Scherdnr]

I feel your commission woes in my soul. The daily growing guilt of not finishing the commission you’re dreading to paint is a vicious circle. And on top of that I started to feel I “owed” them a better paint job/more hours because of my procrastination.

[@eddr98]

love the content but would it be possible to have the playlist of the episodes in the reverse order, so I can listen on youtube episode 1 to n instead of n to 1?

[@ProrokLebioda]

Sacred words, Jon. "Not every mini deserves 50 hours". I just recently forced myself to do less on some minis. Otherwise they would never get finished. It's nice to spend some time on models that speak to us, we enjoy. Painting n-th skeleton to a high standard when we know it's going to die sooner rather than later is a good way to burnout. Focus on HQs when doing big model count armies, when doing warbands personalise miniatures to make painting more interesting.

[@dafrenchork615]

"-There is a cat attacking your leg! -"It's ok" -(adding)It's ok it has not reached the bone yet."

[@byebyebuy]

After Scott said air paints, I just imagined him using an airbrush like one of those fresh breath spritzers. Amber calls him upstairs and he's like "quick, gotta make sure my breath is minty green fresh!" *opens mouth* pshh pssh!

[@KoraRubin]

23:07 Scott: "In Bruges" .... they send him somewhere... They send him to BRUGES! That's the theme of the movie! See Bruges and then die! 🙄

[@karmaq8462]

If I go to your mini class in la , I'll bring some home brew !

[@Ninjon]

Lorenzo Q yah boi!

[@eingames9931]

My brother does lots of commisssions for historical gamers and loves it. Mostly for not having to pick paint schemes and batch painting extremely small figs. Everything goes fast for those bastard small things.

[@MrSJPowell]

I decided a while ago that if I ever do dip into commission, it would have to be one unit at a time or single figures. And then I very intentionally have avoided commissions so far.

[@dances4980]

How were the tendies?

[@soundwavebastion2087]

Yeah, In Brugges the best, love the party dwarf

[@hickorystone]

If you find yourself in the South, try Raising Cains. Great tenders, fried, with sauce. Bonus for texas toast and crinkle-cut fries. Not the best in the world, but addictively tasty.

[@SHO0WO0]

C'mon Scott! "They sent him somewhere" really? The movie is named "In Bruge" where do you think they sent him? Lol. btw congratulations on being a featured artist in Warhammer Community.

[@pepiart1413]

I was happy you made that mistake on her face... cause it shows that you don’t need to be a perfectionist every single day, every day... we are aloud to make mistakes and move ☺️

[@astrozombiac3535]

Chicken. Tendies. It's not a complete episode until chicken tendies are mentioned.

[@valentinbirkenfeld560]

here are some news for you: Duncans new own youtube channel, Gazkhul, Death of hope Fan film, GW inquisition forbids Darrens channel

[@davismma125]

Have friends who talk about selling their old armies and I’m on the fence of keeping much as possible to see my growth. But if don’t have the space I get it, maybe just keep a few of the batch

[@christopherjudd3225]

Re: Taking the piss I was always told the expression came from the 1800s when urine and feces were collected from the floors of houses to be used in the production of gunpowder, plant fertiliser and cloth dying. The job of collecting this was done by night soil men, this was a dirty smelly shameful job so when they would stop in a tavern they would tell outrageous stories/lies about why they were doing the job or what they were transporting. To which the bar tender and patrons would say "you are taking the piss"

[@turinmortis2376]

Ha! Fascinating. Related-tangebtial: 'Don't even have a pot to piss in' is reference to the daily collection of household urine to be sold to the local tannery. If one didn't even own a pot to collect their piss in for the miniscule daily payout, they were truly destitute. 😎👍

[@bladebitten2766]

Us Brits do love the whole "taking the piss" 🤣

[@Zadster]

I swear that cat has been watching videos of Simon's Cat cartoons.

[@xilch0]

"Wont you be my painter" Rogers outro. Missed opportunity.

[@kvnt_deztroya_696]

we need the shirt!

[@that_guyerik1864]

would you do a commission where the person asking just said “i trust your skills and like your painting. would you paint this specific model for me however you want”

[@ghostfaceknuts]

I need to know how to get from 80% to 101%. I lose steam in the fear of ruining what I've done right so far.

[@benhegi8151]

Love the creepy cherubs.

[@tomfirens1400]

We all threw away our youth Scott. Doesn't matter if it was our first CD we bought with our own money, the first model we painted or the first love letter we got

[@charlesfe]

If you visit Los Angeles and want deep fried chicken goodness, you got to Rosco’s for chicken and waffles.

[@danielc-s8056]

It's ok colin. We all do it.

[@delphaneuxlacroix]

When you don't want to take the commission, so you throw out a completely stupid price that will drive away any sane human being. And the customer agrees to it. You're just sitting there like... wut?

[@ModernSynthesist]

WORTH IT. I have one price for Xenos, and another much higher one for space marines 😝

[@delphaneuxlacroix]

@@ModernSynthesist I actually don't mind Marines as a commission because I can smash out a Space Marine army in almost zero time and have it looking good. Helps that 90% of the commission is done with an airbrush on the first day.

[@aussiefpv6780]

the runtime's getting shorter and shorter :'(

[@ToddReynolds45]

Aussie Fpv an hour is still a lengthy time

[@Jak0vas]

It’s funny I get asked to do mini commissions a bit, tell them my quality level they are looking me to replicate is around 5 hours, at £4 an hour (less than half minimum wage, I rarely hear back.

[@Gh0st713]

Yeah!!!

[@timothyalarcon7273]

I love the cat. He big boy

[@ihavenoideawhatiamdoing2429]

If only Australia had good tendies.. RIP me (and Scott & Jon if they ever come here)

[@fin4889]

Love how the flat chested griffin is linked in the description. haha

[@theanimaster]

I think that model is one of the more amazing models the way they made all the cherubs “fly about” ... you can easily center attention on the casket with the right lighting /osl.

[@thunderb.dreadnought1363]

is that Dabi or Dobby?

[@Ninjon]

T.B. Dreadnought Dobby

[@ApolloTagaris]

Oh yes!!!

[@byebyebuy]

SHFIFTY-FIVE. Damn that's a deep cut these days

[@evilfuzzydoom]

Hoooo boy. John's pile of shame. Has anyone ever actually assembled & painted Kingdom Death or has everyone just bought it and added it to the pile of shame?

[@ericnewcomer8415]

Bout that time eh chaps? ........................ Righto.

[@pnkfld7892]

schwiggity schwiggty schwifty five!

[@Dash277]

Commission painting: Take your annual income from all sources. Divide by 2000. That's your hourly rate. If nobody want's to pay that, then there's your answer :)

[@leonn3k]

I am here now.

[@ruaridhmackenzie3215]

British person: Taking the piss is making a joke out of something.

[@Ninjon]

That makes sense! Thank you for educating my ‘Murican ignorance 😀

[@ruaridhmackenzie3215]

@@Ninjon you're welcome.

[@jonathanmasters5442]

Also British. It's also used to acknowledge that you' re pushing your luck in a sort of cheeky way. So, as an example - if the competition rule said " have a suitable sized base " and yours was 300mm diameter that might be OK, but if you were to also make it a pile of dead bodies 300mm high as well that would be taking the piss.

[@CommanderNemo1]

oof. I can barely paint a gift for a friend without being *furious* for wasted time. if I took commission painting, I'd throw myself off of a bridge.

[@joerivera6334]

so you don't have to go lookin, ninjon's death guard entry is here: www.crystalbrush.com/2018-winners/sci-fi-modern-single/ -- jon you're amazing

[@tomfirens1400]

Commission painting doesn't make sense except in a few fringe cases if you live in a "rich" country. But what if and i can't judge but you live in a country where the average income is like 5 bucks a week and you can ship to Europe or the US

[@rezzybeans]

f for collin

[@infinite13390]

Think Jon needs a list of things there aren't. There's no …There's no ex machina.

[@ghostfaceknuts]

Hello little girl, do you want to know a secret? Because I know one, and it's so good to hear it. Do you want to know what it schwas?

[@socklips7655]

I KNOW. How to count. ALLLLLL the way..to SCHFIFTY-FIVE.

[@rezzybeans]

twenty shevin heif? 55!

[@Winterydee]

Well Adepticon is now cancelled... so no need to worry about your Golden Demon entries.

[@MrSJPowell]

"We got Adepticon coming up" Sorry about that guys.

[@paintingbyminions8360]

I did one commission. Never again! Lol

[@Miniocalypse]

Trogdor!!!!!

[@dakkaflakkaflame]

I caught part of In Bruges when my roommate was watching it. I still haven't seen the whole thing, but I've watched the "You don't know karate" bit many times. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqWykHp5a9Cbr9k

[@shafer6494]

I can count all deway.... to shfity five

[@meepmerp9613]

“But I’m le’tired”

[@Tinfoil-Hats-Music]

Painting classes for tendies

[@matthewbirdsall9518]

When I see Jon on Insta and read his user name I only see: "Ninjas"

[@Hobbymonstergames]

Jon, I will pay you $100 to tell me where you bought those crisp looking paint cases from.

[@trappedunderplastic]

I added a link to them in the show notes for ya!

[@Hobbymonstergames]

You're the best!

[@brandondollar]

I got $50 and dozens of Thousand Sons, lets make it happen!