Our Parasitic New Elite Despises the Working Class. Culture Wars & The Decline of the West.

On today's #NCFWhittle we are joined once again by Professor Doug Stokes, Professor of International Relations at the University of Exeter, and author of the new book "Against Decolonisation: Campus Culture Wars & The Decline of the West".
Following the killing of George Floyd in 2020, a moral panic gripped the US and UK. To atone for an alleged history of racism, statues were torn down and symbols of national identity attacked. Across universities, fringe theories became the new orthodoxy, with a cadre of activists backed by university technocrats adopting a binary worldview of moral certainty, sin and deconstructive redemption through Western self-erasure.
In his hard-hitting book, Prof. Stokes surveys these developments for the first time. He unpacks and challenges the theories and arguments deployed by ‘decolonisers’ in a university system now characterised by garbled leadership and illiberal groupthink. The desire to question the West’s sense of itself, deconstruct its narratives and overthrow its institutional order is an impulse that, ironically, was underpinned by a more confident and assured Western hegemony, which is now waning and under great strain. If its light continues to dim, who or what will carry the torch for human freedom and progress?
To order Prof. Stoke's new book please click here: www.amazon.co.uk/Against-Deco...
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[@thomasranjit7781]

Do you believe in Christ Lord Jesus, the western countries believed in that, if Charles Darwin was alive today he won't believe his theory of evolution on the basis of know about human DNA we have today. When you abandon Christianity anything and everything takes over. Who created the red cross, William booth a believer in Christianity, how did nursing start? By a Christian woman called Florence Nightingale. You forgot your God and your history, then you get what you deserve, period. There is no rocket science in that.

[@Truth-And-Freedom]

They aren't elites - they are a parasite on humanity and should be referred to as such........

[@fightthepower4648]

KZbin video: "Global Declaration of Independence - Fight the Power"

[@the-btc-tradingfloor2808]

Get Educated,or Be Enslaved The government poses the biggest threat to our freedoms and way of life TruthFreedomHealth

[@frederiquecouture3924]

👿 ♎♎?

[@redpotter1567]

I've learned to disregard anyone who says Britain is a wonderfully diverse country. I no longer see it as a positve, it is the root of our downfall.

[@DeanWilliamDwyer]

Yet Enoch Powell was vilified and thrown under a bus for citing his constituents quite reasonable concerns for the future.

[@garykennedy4856]

@@DeanWilliamDwyerthe vilification of Enoch shows how long this destruction of our country was planned not accidental.

[@suewood8538]

If minorities don't like being minorities I suggest they go live somewhere where they are not. TBH I'm not interested whether they think European centric thinking is bad, what the hell do they expect in Europe? The nutty white's pushing this need to clear off too.

[@lynnytisc1]

Jack Tiscione here...Too late smart dude...It really is a shame.....

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Our ancestral homeland has been reduced to an economic zone.

[@dagoelius]

Stop calling those soulless leeches elite. There is nothing 'elite' about them.

[@edcottingham1]

"Elite" must have come into fashionable usage in ignorant confusion with "effete."

[@egverlander]

How about calling then "Carrion Elites" or "Vulture Elites", or "Leechlites".

[@IndieChief116]

Excellent@@egverlander

[@hecter3008]

Leeches. Spot on. That sums up every single MP.

[@christinepeach8213]

I totally Agree! The Rulers are beggars and thieves, they steal from the poor and elderly and live off the working people. The Rulers in the collective West are parasites which make them SCUM on every level.

[@stevenfarrall3942]

Re the 'elite's' contempt for the working class, the feeling is mutual. I have utter contempt for the whole standing bureaucracy and the 'ruling' class.

[@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09]

I agree, but they that sit above and those that sit below forget that those in the middle are holding them all up. Moral of the story, never bite the hand that feeds you 😅

[@gertrudewest4535]

I have always hated the affluent middle classes- the plantation overseers for which the ruling class would not be in power without them.

[@suewood8538]

Back in 1977 I gained a place at a Russell Group university to study Biological Sciences. I was a working class girl from a comprehensive. Within 2 weeks I knew I had made a mistake, it was like moving to another planet, these, I thought, are the people I would have to study and work with, the thought appalled me. I left at the end of the first year and joined a High Street bank, worked with my own but as I moved up the ladder found people just as inhuman as the students I had known 15 years before, so I left there too and became a mum. The elite are few, as you say, it is their minions in the bureaucracy that enable them who are contemptible.

[@robbeales5516]

University people can be among the most stupid , I learned this fact working for similar people as a builder for fifty years 😊

[@thedativecase9733]

This is true - some guy on this channel once stated that the working class still felt respect for the (soi-disant) elite. I wrote back pointing out that we don't just hate the elite as much as they hate us. WE HATE THEM MORE. BTW I'm looking for second-hand tumbrils on Craig's list, if you know what I mean.

[@dawnemile7499]

I'm glad to see that a professor wrote a book against the current push for dismantling our civilization.

[@andreycham4797]

That is hilarious Chinese communists hire white American police to kill innocent black people in the US

[@benkhan2908]

Very brave man.

[@the-btc-tradingfloor2808]

Get Educated,or Be Enslaved The government poses the biggest threat to our freedoms and way of life TruthFreedomHealth

[@campbellpaul]

Perhaps, but isn't it the *threat* of dismantling this new corrupt hegemonic traditionalism that could bring about the most change for a better democracy? It seems Google owns as much of GB as it does the US, as we are controlled by a pre-programmed algorithm from the second grade onward in both public and private schools, and as voters, we are limited in access to alternative views by a similar algorithm. The monopoly that exists to control Western thinking is preposterous in the extreme in my opinion, and there is no algorithm to identify those politicians who illegally dip into the pot.

[@maximilianschwab9668]

Do you mean by "civilization" the one based on warmongering, slave trade, colonialism, and the destruction of god knows how many other cultures? 🤨💀

[@SteeeveO]

I'm amazed this chap still has a job at a Uni if he's daring to question the elite narrative!

[@Truth-And-Freedom]

They aren't elites - they are a parasite on humanity and should be referred to as such........

[@andy816896]

He has a permanent position, what used to be called tenure. They can't get rid of him, I'm sure some of his "colleagues" would love to see the back of him.

[@stevealba4599]

@@andy816896 No such thing as tenure, and they have tried to get rid of him a number of times. I work at Exeter and know the inside story. The guy has had years of hell but he obviously didn't want or cant talk about any of it...

[@KiltBill2]

@@andy816896 I wouldn't bet on tenure saving him from the mob.

[@markusaurelius7227]

Some are allowed to speak the truths/ disclosure of the truth, they must provide to be in accordance with universal law.

[@theendofeverything6356]

Shouldn't that read, "despises the WHITE working class"?

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Most important comment on here^

[@johnyoung8727]

It should. And our own people, by that I mean indigenous but of a different class, are our biggest enemies. And conversely working class people especially the young have become malleable like never before, drunk on fashion of thought, fad, all delivered via social media.

[@tonyanderton3521]

That's right.

[@CC-hx5fz]

They don't want the working class to form a clear identity. In the UK, that might be primarily a white identity, but what the elites are really attacking is any reminder that there are more of us than there are of them.

[@realitychick4502]

Tucker Carlson and Matt Walsh in the US now talk about the anti white rhetoric but the conversation here is sorely lacking. The ‘I’m not racist’ cap in hand submission still has to be performed before any white person talks about the general culture of white hatred 😢

[@markdimeo7060]

It also means the discarding of centuries of accumulated wisdom.

[@tabsntoot]

Never has thier been a more selfish ignorant generation of humanity

[@wakeupuk3860]

Oh yes, and I blame us baby boomers who kicked it all off back in the 1960s which I for one feel very guilty what we destroyed back then and replaced with the worship of 'youth'.

[@garykennedy4856]

I’m happy somebody else is calling the perpetrators parasites, I hope it becomes the only way we refer to them.

[@carlywright5127]

They are parasitic. All for one and none for all.

[@khankrum1]

Despise the working class? Until they need a plumber , electrician and a car mechanic! As well their Home energy, heatind, repairs to the roof. waste disposal, sewage, clean water, groceries! This is o long list of working who they comfortably live on the collective backs.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

They love to import cheap labour ( eg Polish plumbers )

[@davidfogarty2220]

They also hate the fact that children of the working classes, who have learned a useful trade like plumbing, are earning more money than their kids, who have come away with useless degrees in gender or international studies.

[@angelmessenger8240]

The young have been indoctrinated to believe that a university education is the only way to get ahead in the world for a couple of decades now. Manual labour has been frowned upon and it's left a massive hole in this country's ability to take care of the basics of plumbing, electricity supply and building. We've had to import specialists from abroad, and yes, I class people who can do these things as specialists because of the training required to be skilled. Years ago we had apprenticeships but the govts of the day stopped helping companies provide them and so they fell away.

[@rogernightly9097]

@@angelmessenger8240 You can thank Tony Blaire for the emphasis on University education. His idea everyone needed a degree to get on in the world. Manual skills went by the wayside.

[@MrAvant123]

I am/was a skilled and highly trained engineer, but 20 or so years ago working in the telecoms industry I saw sales people making huge money but systems engineers like me were left to answer the tenders and deal with difficult technical questions from customers. I realised that in our culture there is zero respect for engineers of any type until, as you say, you need to make something work !

[@steadyeddie639]

One world gov, absolutely loathes the idea of independent nation states and identities..

[@tabsntoot]

But that’s the very essence of humanity. How the world has been built . In ten years they have dismantled 8 thousand years of culture

[@theend9494]

you just have to watch sporting events like the recent games in the Euros all players have a massive pride in their countries, this is not going to end well

[@70AD-user45]

Governments in the west will hand over their mandate to govern, albeit badly, to the WEF, WHO, and the UN. Soon, there won't be any sovereign nation states, but some nations, especially Russia, will resist the tyrannical NWO. Russia is the last remaining Christian nation, where wokes, cancel culture, transgenderism, multiculturalism, does not exist. That says a lot about the so called "free western world", which will soon no longer exist. Russia is the country being demonised by the neo liberal elites and the main stream media. It's not about Ukraine which is a proxy war for the "benefit" of NATO's expansion, it's about Russia's rejection of the NWO with unelected bureaucrats controlling nations.

[@golfbulldog]

Watch the movie "Things to come" based on HG Wells work. Pre WW2, it has the line "independent nation state? We don't approved of independent nation states"...said by the protagonist who then orders his comrades to drop the "gas of peace" onto the inhabitants of this independent state and suppresses them so that they can be incorporated into a massive trading state run out of Basra...

[@Prodrive1]

Exactly. True. Tyrants dismantling Sovereign nations.

[@jane1842]

I am black girl who grew up in East London… Leytonstone … l hear you. You raise Good points to think about Thank you

[@stuartmenziesfarrant]

Relativism is just an attempt to validate lying.

[@11abrook]

New Elite? So many of them are relatives of the old Elite.

[@MrAvant123]

I dont think this is so true now compared to say the 80's

[@hughneek12]

Same gang, same parasites.

[@bradleyeric14]

Similar to historians saying that the first industrial revolution led to the rise of the bourgeoisie and the decline of the aristocracy when in fact most of the mines and many of the railway companies were owned by the titled (who were also the main beneficiaries of the canal building and land drainage).

[@Khayyam-vg9fw]

@@MrAvant123 Why not?

[@iggle6448]

@@bradleyeric14 Indeed, the aristos and titled simply cloaked themselves in bourgeois appearance in order to preserve their positions, wealth and power. Recently, I heard a member of the royal family chatting to some ordinary folks. It was illuminating to hear this person using glottal stops, dropping aitches, employing common vernacular and even a smidge of estuary English.

[@madmax6827]

As in the US, when Britain gave up requiring immigrants to conform and accept the dominant culture, the emergence of chaos became inevitable. It is now a slow but steady cultural suicide.

[@sooky2253]

I believe the suicide has happened - all that's happening now is the rotting of the corpse as it swings in the wind!

[@Qwijebo]

Multiculturalism doesn't work

[@farmerfreakeasy9577]

I live in Exeter, i'm working class, and i can safely state that most people within Exeter now feel suffocated by the university. They've created a society whereby the people of Exeter no longer feel welcome in their own city. The university couldn't care less about the people of Exeter. The new student accommodation buildings are a hideous eyesore that most citizens resent deeply. The university have ruined their own campus by continually building high-rises on their own site and now they've ran out of space, but don't worry because they will find a way to eliminate the working classes from the council estates and then let the new students move into old council housing(i heard a rumour). Anyone who's seen the new student building opposite Exeter bus station will instantly hate it. We can't wait for it to be reduced to rubble. Which probably won't take long as the people building it said it wouldn't even last 100 years anyway. CHEAP AND NASTY. Exeter university is suffocating/killing the city they reside within.

[@bar10ml44]

Universities are indoctrination centres here the fools pay for their own demise

[@Carroty_Peg]

seems rather appropriate as a metaphor...a parasite devouring and destroying everything. Incapable of building anything of value or longevity!

[@robertgear6722]

Yes. but the students in turn will be moved out in order to make room for 'asylum' seekers.

[@cornishhh]

Falmouth and Penryn are increasingly like that.

[@thedativecase9733]

I'm a northerner but I love Exeter! Come on you Grecians! (hope I got that right) Yes we in Manchester rich or poor used to feel genuine pride in our university. Not any more.

[@austincromwell]

This articulates our predicament very succinctly. It literally is the institutionalisation and rebranding of the historical hatred of the working class by the better off.

[@Aengrod]

This is simply not true. Some aristocratic societies e.g. during the French empire or Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth were supporting the working class. An example - during the French revolution there was a counter revolution in Vendée, a movement that was initiated by the so called 'working class' to save their King and Aristocracy, obviously they were brutally squashed by the apostles of 'Liberté, égalité, fraternité' and removed from history classes on purpose, and the 'Ancien regime' demonised to the extreme. As the matter pertains to the PLC, the neighboring countries literally wrote propaganda pieces, and fabricating stories of that country and society 'backwardness'. Obviously not mentioning continuous migration of serfs and peasants from Prussia and Russia to PLC precisely because the living conditions for the working class were light-years better than in those two countries. E.g. Russian tsardom actively tried to prevent russian serf, escape to PLC. There is quite good research/book on this topic: 'Peasant flight to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the eighteenth century' by Gornostaev. What the two examples above have in common, is that these countries/cultures were Catholic, where the culture enforced by the Church prevented an outright extreme exploitation of the working class. With the protestant revolution, obviously that 'check' was removed on purpose. Few centuries forward and you are where you are.

[@austincromwell]

@@Aengrod just because there were some exceptions, it doesn't make it "simply not true". For example if some countries are ruled by monarchies, it doesn't mean republics don't exist. The topic of discussion focused on the UK where hatred by the elites and well off for the working class most definitely does exist. Your argument is a straw man.

[@Aengrod]

@@austincromwell ah, but it is. The topic is 'the decline of the west', arguably of which UK is no longer member of arguably since 17th century (with the embrace of protestantism by the UK ruling elites). It is well known and understood (among serious academic scholars) that elites are formed by culture, which is formed by religion. UK needs to finally realise that it is a heretical society top to bottom. Its current predicament is of its own making.

[@maccagrabme]

Yet they wouldnt last more than 48 hours without the working class as nothing runs properly without them and these elitists wouldnt have a clue on their own.

[@ericchristen2623]

Bring the guill*tines out!

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

Norman Tebbit's Cricket Test? I would like to know what Norman Tebbit, thinks about us having a Prime Minster that lost his party leadership election, has stronger ties to a nation other than ours and a green card to live in the US. I want to know why that is even legally possible.

[@stuartmenziesfarrant]

He is backed by globalist power.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Culture is downstream from ethnicity and race.

[@chuck275]

I think you've missed the point about this discussion and even what Tebbit said. In fact he'd probably he proud of Rishi for being an immigrant and extolling British values. He was born here, his family came and did well. He is educated, a family man, someone who advanced in is career. All Conservative values. Where's the evidence his loyalty lies elsewhere. Why wouldnt the leader of our nation take advantage of a connection he (and the UK) have with an emerging economic power? Rishi didn't screw the Tories.... That was Boris.

[@thomasalexand]

Sunak is an out and out globalist. Not only did the public not vote for him, but neither did the membership of the Conservative party. He's a fifth columnist.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

@@chuck275 Really? Tebbit was only joking about his Cricket test, was he? Would Rishi, pass the Cricket Test? There he is, he has his Indian wife, he has his Indian Parents and Parents in law around. It's England vs India. Frankly I would be surprised if they were talking in English. I think he absolutely would be supporting India. Rishi is so committed to England that he has a US Green Card and imported his wife from the homeland. Is the man who lost his leadership election any more legitimate than a British Governor of India who was born in India and sent home for his wife?

[@debbielondon1809]

Love Doug. Every bit a Londoner. The first person I've heard talk about how working class Londoners truly shared their lives with immigrants, while the elites talked endlessly about the evils of racism.

[@Orson2u]

Ie, “luxury beliefs,” as articles by psychologist Rob Henderson.

[@teachweb69]

Yes. Elites do not share anything with each other OR other ethnicities..they no nothing about living in a diverse culture yet talk so much about it

[@flickwtchr]

And modern day racists look to him for intellectual succor rationalizing their own. Makes perfect sense, right?

[@Toracube]

When mobs can form outside a shop in Peckham defending a thief that got caught stealing and making a man close because he was a different race, shows how bad the problem is.

[@alexmac337]

Absolutely Peter. I worked in arts and culture and noticed around 2020 that things were starting to go awry. There was definitely a stronger emphasis on diversity but also an abandonment of intellect, ideas and accomplishments. But it very much felt like these peope had been waiting in the wings to seize power and sure enough, by 2021 every cultural institution in the uk was singing from this hymn book. Visit any art gallery now and witness the effects of this transition. Its been utterly destructive.

[@RedEyeification]

The abandonment of intellect has begun in 2000 - 2001.

[@robinwells8879]

I think that we are watching the end game of the Long March of the new Marxists who since the sixties and seventies when the violent Marxist struggle realised that they couldn’t achieve their goals through terrorism, they moved to infiltrate society via the education and civil service routes in the slowly slowly catchy monkey fashion. Seems it worked well. I am dubious that it can be reversed without violence. 😢

[@msmaryna961]

As a former museum director in the U.S., I can tell you this trend started to accelerate dramatically around 2008. By 2011, I had to leave or turn into a zombie. The funders, large NGOs, drove the agenda very aggressively. The one that pays the bills gets what they want.

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

Wealthy kids in art school think they'll get the brand name diploma and be put on a pedestal no matter what they do. They just think they should be considered "creative" and make tons of money.

[@alexmac337]

@@terrorists-are-among-uswealthy art school kids don't have to think, they're wealthy.! Even if they completely flunk art school they're guaranteed a career in the arts. Just look at the 'artists' being pushed by the commercial galleries, it's clearly a case of who you know. Plus it's got to the stage now where only the wealthy/upper middle classes have the luxury to be able to afford to sit in a studio and produce artwork.

[@AnnDale-ie3jn]

Being welcoming and inclusive is the reason why we are in the state that we are

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Agree, there are no solutions inside the post 1945 Liberal paradigm.

[@morleycross1980]

Shouldn’t have colonized. Boomerang 🪃

[@AnnDale-ie3jn]

@@morleycross1980 so you are using the we are here because you were there fallecy how do explain Ireland Scandinavian countries who didn't have colonialism' why do they have the problems of third world immigration in your twisted mind immigration is a punishment you are sick the girls who.are being gang raped by Pakistani rape gangs got it coming to them according to your logic sick just sick you are a disgusting human being

[@AnnDale-ie3jn]

@@ikeasonye7247 I am sorry it is the native population of Britain is on the brink of extinction many native English women chose a man who is not white and have children that are not White I am not passing judgement on people's personal life but that means fewer white babeis I hope what I say isn't considered bigoted sorry if it sounds that way power in a diverse society like Britain is demographic

[@angelofchrist4494]

Someone I know has been saying this for years, we will end up exstint

[@d.marques4700]

1960s - 1970s: Hundreds of thousands of middle-class European CIVILIANS, then settled in Sub-Saharan Africa, have lost absolutely everything they had got through generations & generations of very hard work, when brutal DECOLONIZATION of some African territories took place! Those European CIVILIANS have lost their homes (and sadly, everything in them), their cars, their bank accounts money, their jobs, their commercial & industrial family businesses, their lands, their personal references & identity, their physical & mental health, and, last but certainly not least - and in so many cases! - even their own lives!... And yet, surprisingly or maybe not, in these times of WOKE madness, NO ONE is talking about this open wound, and REPARATIONS or compensations due to the EUROPEAN VICTIMS of the DECOLONIZATION OF AFRICA, whose assets were looted to the core by the African mobs - guided by their new marxist rulers - still is NO ISSUE for those who now are demanding "a fair treatment" for facts that happened so many centuries ago! DOUBLE STANDARDS, I guess!...

[@jonnysongs]

If you want your post to be taken seriously, please write in a measured way and not keep alternating into upper case.

[@mgkos]

@@jonnysongsany thinking person with functioning mirror neurones wld recognise the degree of loss this person has experienced & refrain from condescension. There’s far worse around in comments threads.

[@lorenzo6mm]

Parochial aka narrow minded. The Parochial Administrative State. The WEF ISDA CRT ESG DEI TRANS IDEOLOGY A.I. and the TECHNOCRACY "No Bodies Wrong. If Everybody's Right" ANARCHY 101

[@mrblobby6284]

i always make this point. When the african and asians kicked the europeans out of their land stealing all they left behind, it wasnt stealing, it was ethno-cleansing, it was fascism (as only white people can be fascism- its all to do with levels of melanin), it was their culture/history/people/land so what are white people doing there so they should leave or die if they stay - some of them had been there for 100+ years but it mattered not. i hope my people will be able to remove them and restore our land as they did to us but have the resolve to ignore their insults of us being racists

[@d.marques4700]

​@@mgkosThanks for your understanding! Those were truly very hard days...

[@sharonschieber]

An American here. We are going through so much of the same. Your show is a comforting balm. It is so difficult seeing this happen to our countries. It is the wrong prescription for what ails us.

[@Orson2u]

Yes. THIS is neoMarxist reductionism, a reactionary Uber Alles Gleischultung. Where nihilism is forever!

[@landsea7332]

Sharon - Here is what Prof Patrick Deneen had to say . " " Wokeism is a way in which the elites in our society , are using the language and appearance of egalitarianism , in an effort to shroud the fact that they are actually in the process of essentially using these institutions [ Ivy League Universities ] to govern in a way that constitutes a tyranny of progress . ". Woke is a marriage between corporate capital and the radical left . .

[@bvd9701]

It’s not “happening”. It’s being inflicted in a systematic, organized manner to achieve an outcome very much in opposition to our best interests…FIGHT BACK.

[@sabinewetzel2272]

Because it is a global agenda....in Germany too.

[@terike9738]

But it's just the prescription for the rich to get richer, gain more control, and ultimately kill us off.

[@brandankelly4069]

What a Godsend is the New Culture Forum.

[@ChannelWright]

He’s explained more of what’s gone wrong in 15 minutes than most pundits do in an hour. Well done!

[@mabaker]

No, he didn't. He is just preaching to the disenchanted choir which gulps it all down like a pelican.

[@ChannelWright]

It's so easy just to go along with it all, isn't it? Play dumb, keep your head in the sand. Pretend that "education" you spent time on means something. That way you can sleep at night. Better yet, just sleep all the time. Yes, so soothing! Cue "The Theme To The Posidon Adventure".@@mabaker

[@Habu2]

Only 45 mins in it......

[@revolutionaryhamburger]

If you simply replace the word 'decolonization' with the word 'stealing,' the term's meaning becomes quite clear.

[@kiwitrainguy]

The same could be said about the word "colonisation", which continues to this day in the economic sense.

[@revolutionaryhamburger]

@@kiwitrainguy In the history of the planet, I can't think of one single case where the 'colonizer' was not 'colonizing' a people who had previously 'colonized' someone else. The word has no meaning in the modern age other than its mangled Marxist connotations.

[@ConradAinger]

Always amused by people who deny objective truth yet, somehow, always know that they are right.

[@ceecee6679]

Yes. The circular logic does my head in.

[@spambot_gpt7]

No, they deny objective truth and essentially believe that might makes right. So deep inside, they know they are not objectively right. That's why they fear scrutiny and manipulate science where they can. But they are hoping to physically force everyone to subscribe to their beliefs in a pseudo-religious way. For them, discussions about objective truth are just a way to try to gain power over you. They are a pseudo-religious sect who mostly believe in power.

[@Bilangumus]

You mean like cutting your balls of for trans ideology ?

[@jessiewellington9377]

like what objective truths? can you give me a few examples I don't understand what you mean

[@28pbtkh23]

Perhaps we could counter this stupidity by punching them in the face and then say: “Oh dear, you appear to have a nosebleed. You must take better care of yourself. You walked into the door back there.”

[@ShipperS7]

These elites arent new and theyve always despised the working class. They just couldnt get away with as much before

[@NuYiDao]

We've been losing this new phase of the cold war by imagining that it is not well-funded, active and relentless.

[@wendyharris8026]

This is not an extension of the Cold War. This is the imposition of the New World Order.

[@MrAvant123]

An analogy I would give of the UK is that its like a Turkey carcass two days after XMAS and virtually all the nice meat has been stripped off the bones by successive governments and their House of Lords pals !

[@tabsntoot]

It’s always been like that though the rich kids and poor kids.

[@disband_thebbc5933]

We're past that stage the carcass has been thrown in the bin, recovered by a fox, it's now sitting in the overgrown back yard steaming with maggots.

[@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09]

Hiya, you forget to mention they’re laughing their socks off too. They hold us in derision. Not good move, never bite the hand that feeds you. 😅

[@adventurerful]

Thank you for inviting these guests to your channel, Peter. They express my sentiment.

[@johntheaccountant5594]

Lets be realistic. The young don't give a hoot of what is going on and appear to become more and more dependent on the government. As a result, the older know things cannot be reversed and have given up caring knowing that they haven't too many years left to put up with the way things are going. So things are only going to get worse.

[@bradleyeric14]

Maybe they would not be so dependent if they could work across Europe.

[@johntheaccountant5594]

@@bradleyeric14 They don't want to work so why would they want to go to work in Europe? One of the problems is that 50% of them have university degrees and think they should be in managerial positions on big salaries when they couldn't even manage their personal finances.

[@johntheaccountant5594]

@wolfgangvonlichtenstein5222 With a name like that, one assumes you are German. The German people have been just as complacent and dumb as the younger in the UK. Germany is socially, economically and politically doomed. The final nail was the sanctions against Russia leading to a de-industrialisation of Germany.

[@markpavlowski7223]

@@bradleyeric14 Indeed...nothing stopping them (take it you're still sobbing into your pillow at night) just do the paperwork...as we did when in the EEC/CM...I'd recommend Eastern Europe.... Hungary in particular..they have a 'healthy' realistic view of the way it is...have a nice day.

[@Khayyam-vg9fw]

@@bradleyeric14 More Remainiac nonsense.

[@galaxytrio]

This guy is so estute and admirable. Couldn't agree with him more. What he says about being inspired by the most courage of 17 and 18 year old "men" in the trenches of WWI and II brought tears to my eyes.

[@robynmarler1951]

💖🕊💖

[@loreman7267]

🎯

[@70AD-user45]

And what has the western world done to honour the memory of those 17 year olds dying in the trenches, the liberal elites have spat on their graves as they are turning the west into a neo communist state without borders, without freedom of speech, without the traditional family unit, etc. Sacrifice means nothing to the globalist elites.

[@wakeupuk3860]

You bet !! Could not agree YOU MORE with his point about 'standing up' to this country being destroyed now by Woke and often I think of my Grandfather who was in the trenches and came back a broken man but NOT ONCE complained or oppose what he had to do for King and country back then. I often pull my pucnches on here because I fear one day being critical of Woke what could happeen to me, and I think of my him and all his mates who in no way were cowards.

[@isabelhernaez4617]

There they were lying their lives down for freedom and yet most of us are too frightened to even give our real names and show our real faces on a you tube channel. We should consider ourselves very lucky that it was their generation and not ours who had to stand up to the nazis. I know that the current situation is complex but in a way I think we should accept some responsability in it.

[@aion5837]

This school of thought began in the 1930's in the Vienna School et al. This was the birth place of neo-liberalism. With the death of the Ottoman and European empires 'barriers/tariffs' were re-assed in purely economic terms. Central to all of this was the free flow of finance, commodities and people around the world. If a particular group of workers were earning 'too much' they would have their earnings reduced to the global average. Having recourse to the government or unionisation was problematic, so both of these bodies would be subjugated and made ineffective. THIS is the attack on the working-class in a nut-shell. They would become a 'nomadic' global commodity in the service of neo-liberalism. Politics and culture is always downstream from economics. The eradication of culture is an essential aspect of globalisation. Attached to nothing and belonging nowhere the human commodity is reduced to an exchangeable unit. It's an absolute obscenity that Universities are promoting this. One has to question where their funding comes from. Authoritarian Liberalism remains unquestioned in these halls of learning. Why?

[@garrywynne1218]

Deracination is the word you are looking for. Human Resources that have no connection with the country, culture who are then easily controlled to reduce costs and maximise profits and it’s happening all over the West. Having exported its Manufacturing East it now takes people from the East and South to service the service economy. To keep profits up they have to pay in work benefits to maintain the illusion of the proposition to immigrants and the working class. So we won’t be having any tax cuts soon and our borrowing will rise as the doors are left open. One thing is for sure the availability, accessibility and quality of those service will continue to head South in a room loop. As of 2022 the ONS reported it now costs £16580 per person per year to fund all government services. An immigrant on £20k a year will pay little over £50 a week in tax and NI but the cost per capita is over £300.🙄. Plus there’s our own indigenous unemployed ? Someone wrote ( if I’ve got this right?) 1)Social Stability, 2) Rising Incomes, 3) Increased productivity. It appears the government is prepared risk 1) to keep 2)down whilst thinking they can fix 3) but have even driven that down over the last 20 years. It appears the

[@stepheneurosailor1623]

Ultimately you'll find their funding comes from Soros types.

[@os3984]

I think part of the problem is atleast in my country that sosialization to this model of thinking starts in very early age and is 2 years of preschool +9 of primary school +3 of highschool+4 years of college. That is very long period of socialization. I think Ted Kachinsky wrote a good critique piece of the liberal left and why it's almost cult like. Despite being criminal he had an IQ of 167, his critique despite his deeds is a worthwhile read. Also there have been studies about creativity where most of two year olds start as creative geniouses but that percentage is just 2% when the same test is measured in college. The red pen teaches us how to think, the longer one sits to learn that, the harder it is to think outside the box. Then again to understand how the machine works one needs know about history, economics and psychology and have a wide variety of general knowledge of the society and how it functions. Most of the degrees go towards understanding one issue and having the latest top knowledge of that issue, but the person on top of their topic might not understand the broader picture as they've focused on one thing. Daniel Kahneman's book 'Thinking fast and slow' is an important book as it explains how our thinking is formed and how it is affected. Then lets add the social media which teaches us what opinions we should have through like systems and what we see through what algorithms promote. It is quite a mix of things. The saddest part is that in general these ideas that have been weaponized have bern bettering the society at one point. Then it turned overboard like we can see from cases like Brand. Yes, he was an obscene drug addict twenty years ago and indeed was quite horrible to women. But he has not been criminally charged but persecuted by media. Without due process these accusations remain as such and are from anonymous women. UK MP went ahead and asked platforms to demonetize him based on allegations. Rumble published that request. No matter how one looks at it, the once good movement meetoo is being abused and used in govermental over reach. One can just fathom what did they not like in Brand. To me it is quite obvioius that the anti-establisment voices are being targeted on purpose. Like Assange. That woman dropped her charges and there he sits in prison while Manning is already out of prison.

[@joesaba386]

You mean the Frankfurt School !!

[@Sekret1k]

Ukrainian here. I agree with every word Mr. Stokes said. And I would add some more to it just by reveal of some of my photos and videos made during my last 10 years, i‘ve spent in exile. Being born and grown up in Kyiv, Ukraine, I also lived in Cuba (1993-1995), Moscow (Russia) 2003-2014, Brazil(2014-2015), and Germany (2020-2023) where i finally got rid of idealistic vision of what is life in the West is. not a migrant, i am traveller and always wanted to be one. I love this World but i really concerned about Europe now.

[@deanhend1235]

Give a working class bloke like this an education and this is what you get. Amazing insights

[@stevenrowlandson9650]

The working class isn't the only group despised by the elites. God believing Christians , nationalists , the ethnocentric and truth seekers are also despised while those who follow the devil , his children and his ways are held in high esteem.

[@bigal3780]

God wins though❤

[@ChickpeatheTortie]

Many many years ago back in the 70's I bumped into a member of our 'ruling elite' I've never ever again met quite such an obnoxious ill mannered young man again (he was in his late 20's at the time I was 21) and it will never ever cease to amaze me that (i) anyone would actually want to marry him (ii) anyone would actually want to work for him and (iii) that people stand on the street waving to him - he's a nasty piece of work when the cameras are not on him

[@jimdavis8391]

Charles the dim?

[@bukster1]

I'm in New Zealand. The country has lost it's mind. We are teaching "Maori Science" and saying it is just as valid as western science. So that earthquakes are caused by giant monsters called taniwha moving under the earth is being taught as part of the science curriculum in schools.

[@sheilaperrone7654]

JESUS help us all.

[@artgurrl]

Christopher Lasch wrote about this happening in America back in the 1990's about academia in his book "Revolt of the Elites." But it has been getting worse for years. The death of George Floyd was a major tipping point.

[@brigitpimm8488]

The working class have always been excluded. Its a natural process it's what humans do. It's part of competition I don't see how you can avoid it. As someone from a humble background I am bored of thinking about it now. Only God can make us equal and fair and He will in the end.

[@a44489]

Be a normad

[@vicicooper4720]

He is right, we are becoming vanquished without a shot being fired.

[@Nothing-fp7jg]

I went to university in western Canada in the 1990s. I remember one of my classmates trying to explain cultural relativism to me. It was interesting to see the expression on her face and she tried to explain how we weren't in position to judge the rampant infanticide that was going on at the time in China - that there were cultural reasons behind, how could we apply our western values to it? Her expression kept changing almost like there were two people inside of her having an argument. To me, it looked like she was trying to convince herself of cultural relativism. I've never bought it.

[@golfbulldog]

That is the tortured face of cognitive dissonance...

[@EgoChip]

The only standards these people have are double standards. They are brainwashed Marxists.

[@peteraddison4371]

​@@golfbulldog... Our perception of reality is wholly derived through disosiative disonance ...

[@bvd9701]

You observed demon-possession. Literally, the forfeiture of the human soul and any sense of conscience in exchange for otherwise unobtainable advantages. You’ve probably seen this many times since then. Maybe you recognized it. It’s only gotten worse. It’s important to recognize what you see and respond to it for what it is…because you’re not just interacting with the human being before you, but also with the demons within. They are VILE, but bound by customs & rules and not to be feared. Read up on demons, if only for self-preservation. They are EXTREMELY active in this period of history.

[@annapachaclarke2392]

​@@pcap8810Shutting down the soul and conscience 😢

[@judithgordon7676]

Hugely informative and interesting . Please keep up your essential work in explaining how our culture is being attacked. Thank you for taking up the cudgels on behalf of the silent majority.

[@redset11]

The most horrific and dangerous concept 'there is no such thing as truth'. Maybe not for the 'elite' reprobates but for me i stand on the truth of the Bible.

[@amaryllisequistra]

Don’t be silent!! ☺️

[@jozette-pierce]

PLEASE keep giving this talk to everyone., . This explains what is really going on, and why. Thank you. Great analysis.

[@Seminal_Ideas]

This has to be one of the best interviews on KZbin. The kind of balanced discussion output Channel 4 or BBC 2 should be producing. But those institutions fell a long time ago.

[@Habu2]

Yes too right.....10, 12 years ago

[@scarymonster7765]

Did we watch a different video? This is not a balanced discussion. It is two people agreeing about everything and patting each others' backs for being so righteous and enlightened. That is fine if you enjoy an echo chamber, but it is hardly "balanced". A counterweight is required to achieve balance.

[@redset11]

I had to complete an NHS form recently asking what gender I was 'assigned' at birth - we can thank Stonewall for it's input into the NHS policy making.

[@Prodrive1]

Insanity.

[@sandfly]

I'm really glad that Doug Stokes escaped groupthink by virtue of his own life experience and his personal convictions. I still think that had we been allowed to persist with the old Grammar School system then there would be more Doug Stokes balancing university groupthink.

[@robertwood7792]

Sounds like the ultimate form of narcissism, truths only stand with my permission, forget objective scrutiny.

[@shonagriffiths8907]

I can remember when the BBC used to hold discussions like this. Their decline is part of this story.

[@Jack_Warner]

He forgot to mention, Common Purpose.

[@horatio59]

Fabulous interview. If only there were more academics like this man. God bless him

[@Irraticdriving]

It was planned

[@tabsntoot]

The buggers have far worse in store for us yet !

[@dogsbollox4335]

You'll own nothing and be happy ,uncle Klaus.

[@saoirsegirvan5096]

Excellent point about “standing up against” after 18-year-olds gave their lives to “stand up against”! We should all be thinking about this all the time.

[@mobsurfnut2616]

Doug Stokes was raised in Hackney, East London. He has the credentials of someone with a hugely diverse background of friendships and life experience. He explains the complex nature of the recent changes and power structures in Britain in a remarkable way. The thing I got out of this most was the confirmation that it is a fact that the REAL power in Britain is truly at least one step removed from the government. That the structures that control us are often told to do this or that by government (and the spin doctors see to it that there is a message put out there that looks acceptable to the electorate), but of course without even more groaningly deep layers of legislation, nothing much happens. And then sometimes more bad or ineffective laws are then passed to paper over cracks that do not address the underlying problem. So we see, for example, the completed capture of Education by people who have not business to be in the department, because all they have done is subvert it politically, remove teacher's judgement and accountability, and governments have not been successful in stopping this, causing a huge crisis and pressure on many good teachers who have to contend with the politicization of schools and universities.

[@user-wg3kj7uy7f]

I am a female African Immigrant in UK. I'll use one example. In 2016 during the campaign on Brexit, there was a lot of negative emphasis on Immigrants and how they have flocked the country, etc through the media and it was in my opinion the major reason used to encourage Brexit. I live in a little city. During those times especially, when I walked on the streets and even in the city, I used to see white people (who I presumed to be British) look at me disapprovingly, with a bad look, and I used to feel very unwelcome, and I actually would try to talk to myself before I left the house to try and make myself feel like I belonged. I then stopped watching news which was usually about Brexit at that time. I'm not sure after how many months, but I stopped seeing the disapproving looks from people, the bad look seized, and all I saw were people going about their business😵‍💫😃

[@jimdavis8391]

Why on earth did you come to this island?

[@user-wg3kj7uy7f]

@@jimdavis8391 I thought we are not asking such questions anymore. You want us to go through the rabbit hole eh?

[@jimdavis8391]

​@@user-wg3kj7uy7f Your answer is revealing.

[@coraynbell8991]

Very interesting conversation with Professor Stokes would like to hear more from him!

[@cnrspiller3549]

I like that description: the culture war is a proxy class war.

[@iandonnelly522]

An excellent analysis from Prof. Stokes.....I think I will check out his book and as a suggestion I’d certainly like to hear this man speak on these issues much more....👏🏻

[@jimmymcgee4101]

I believe professor Doug Stokes with contribute greatly, knowing he has that strong inner drive

[@mikemyers8064]

We need to re establish law and order , moral society, Christian values , a return of the death penalty and hard Labour for criminals. They have removed themselves from a right to their human rights in acting against society , except by discretion of the people the crime has been committed against. Also , any criminal to have all possessions taken and sold to recompense to some degree the victim.

[@christinepeach8213]

We need to Start with the Ruling "Class". Maybe the rulers would be less likely to lie and steal if they see their predecessors doing life in a hard labor prison after ALL their wealth has been seized and returned to the People. I am for that in the 'so called Democracies' in the collective West.

[@JM-dm3qk]

Not the return of the death penalty given our injustice system, it would be directed against the working classes with little to do with justice. The government is introducing a new law in support of carbon net zero, the latest scam, where the police could arrest, criminally charge someone for lying about having a log burner, and sentence them to up to a year in prison. The government desiring to force people to spend £15000 that they haven't got, to buy a heat pump. The death penalty would be a weapon to be used by the elites against the working class. We also have a situation were the legal system has been arresting and charging people for silently praying, you think it is a good idea to leave these people, this system, our government to legitimately introduce the death penalty? It would be the MPs and other elites, who would really merit it, but they would use it against their enemies, and people who would wish to hold them accountable for their actions.

[@Aengrod]

You need to abolish church of England first.

[@markocarroll9424]

And change fiat money Central banks should not be allowed finance government budget deficits

[@REwing]

Make sure that they are not guilty first !!!!

[@davidemmet7343]

Excellent discussion! I would love to see Professor Stokes to be interviewed in the US by someone like Tucker Carlson

[@38dragoon38]

Professor Dough Stokes is spot-on with his analysis and I'm looking forward to reading his book. However, like all of his contemporaries, we get no mention of the absolute dominance of the USA on British politics and culture. Why is this fact never mentioned?

[@LazyCookPete]

Truth is singular, immutable and it is anchored to the core of all existence.

[@marcusaxel3425]

I live in a city in the southern US, it sounds similar to London in that the most racially diverse and integrated neighborhoods are inhabited by the working poor to lower middle class. It's where you see the most interracial families also. The most liberal or 'Woke' neighborhood, when measured by voting, contains some of the most expensive real estate in the city. Upper middle class to extremely wealthy. Statistically, the southern US or 'MAGA country' is integrating far more quickly than the Northeast and West Coast. The south has the largest percentages of African Americans and a growing immigrant population. As Victor Davis Hanson has pointed out, these coastal regions have benefited the most from the offshoring of our industrial base and our new global economy. The most liberal voting districts and the most privileged and wealthy. Like the 'country club Republicans' of old, this new liberal elite is in control. I'm a liberal myself but the Democrats no longer reflect my values. Emphasis on the working class and holding up a colorblind society as a worthy goal. Instead, they're determined to fuel our tribal hatreds to maintain power.

[@jacquelinebrunder2384]

It is most certainly not "a great thing" that millions of people are coming here. If you want to preserve a beach you don't invite people to build hotels along the sea front and if you want to preserve British culture you do not see this swamping of it by other cultures in city after city as "a great thing".

[@glenfordburrell1076]

Are universities really that important today? Is saddling our youth with excruciating debt really such a good thing?

[@nathanmoak1515]

what we have learned in the last 3 years is: if you allow people to believe stupid things, they will become more stupid every day until society disintegrates. we must have truths that are not debateable and that everyone recognizes as truth. without that, everything goes to hell in a handbag.

[@worldofameiso5491]

One of the big issues that we face nowadays is that government believes that it can control all aspects of our lives. This is often done from a good starting principle, that of helping people. However, it is a dangerous position to take, because it breeds a reliance on government intervention in the population - this then leads to power hungry agencies that take advantage of people's dependence on government/agency intervention to survive. What governments need to do is re-calibrate their reach into our lives, and instead they need to start to encourage people to behave more resiliently in controlling their own lives. Governments should limit their focus to those areas of society that either cannot help themselves, or where (like defence) individuals cannot act independently to provide a solution.

[@lonalxaia]

There should be less government.

[@chadkline4268]

Govt does what is in it's interest. That won't change, even though Americans will wait+pray forever that it does. It is up to Americans themselves to understand their 4 organic laws, limit govt to it's own land and proper duties, and understand the common law and concepts of accountability. And here, they fail across the board, having been educated by the system that blinded them to fundamental truths.

[@worldofameiso5491]

Apologies, I was really talking about the UK government in this case, although I suppose my comments could relate to the situation in many western democracies.@@chadkline4268

[@steinarvilnes3954]

Yeah, like that ever worked... It seems poverty get worse and worse in England each time rules for getting benefits are tightened. Also, off course you totally ignore any power private employers have over people. Like, the government do not tell you to use adult diapers at work rather than take toilet breaks.

[@iggle6448]

Certainly agree. Though I'd say that these power/money hungry agencies have been hard at work for decades now. They are often quite useless... Parasites on people's confusion and misery. None of this huge helping industry would have been called into existence if governments had treated people fairly from the off. Governments will never allow people to become strong, resilient, independent, in charge of their own lives and money.

[@bushwhackeddos.2703]

It’s a feeding frenzy,the native working class have already been consumed, Who is next ?

[@saltburner2]

Excellent presentation - smart guy who pulls no punches.

[@petergardner760]

Good man. We need more like Doug Stokes.

[@magfan77]

They only despise the working class because they have never honest days work in their lives. 😂😂

[@George-vf7ss]

If you with to live in a decollinize world, start with turning the electricity off and start shitting outside.

[@forthfarean]

Punishment for the British Empire by the left.

[@gchristyer]

Superbly discussed ! Nailed it !

[@ronelltofte1665]

Great! Sound has been restored. Thank you.

[@karenhayes4082]

well done for being right in the truth and for being brave for speaking it!

[@bolitho1881]

The Enemy within desire a return to a time of a Two 'class' Society...one of Rich & Poor, Barons & Serfs, Rulers and Ruled. 👿

[@jimpickard3850]

This guy talks so much sense. I will be buying his book.

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

Fun fact: In every new show on Disney Plus starting in 2021, all characters say "your truth" instead of "the truth".

[@marygunning5121]

Reading through the comments, I realise all I want to say is said. Thank you, Peter, for your informative and thoughtful channel.

[@thehound9638]

Welcome, you're amongst friends now Mary.

[@IndieChief116]

Brilliant that intelligent people are finally discussing these things openly - that is a very healthy thing. Censorship is the purest form of fascism

[@scorpiorob7986]

I think Communism (in through the backdoor), is more what the current threat resembles.

[@kiwitrainguy]

It's easy to find out which side of the political divide people are on. If they are on the left and don't like something it is Fascism and if they are on the right and don't like something it is Communism.

[@kennethfarthing1474]

A tick has only contempt for the dog

[@peterstephenson9538]

Of course western forms of knowledge suffuse our culture. Because this is a western culture. If someone wants to pursue alternatives, that is fine, but it doesn’t mean that they can impose it on a western society or even expect it to be given any support or representation within a western cultural milieu. If Aristotle’s Principle of Non Contradiction is acknowledged and effective within the thinking style of our culture, then merely to attempt to combine our thinking style with an alternative thinking style which does not reflect the Principle would lead de facto to the practical and logical effect of rejecting the Principle, and our cultural foundations, leading in consequence to domination by exotic cultural thinking styles and our colonisation by THEM. By the way, good luck with getting electricity to work or food on the tables without western thinking.

[@izzyplant8428]

Well said.

[@philipadams5386]

Oh, but there's always magic.

[@sheilaperrone7654]

This book needs to also be written where non academia can easily understand it. It needs to be broken down for majority of people. I think this is vital.

[@annapachaclarke2392]

Yes, I agree.

[@Zennsunni]

Agreed, something as simple as a pamphlet would be ideal, something that can be handed out and discussed in person, that can’t be digitally censored

[@bathysphere1070]

You guys do great programs. Much appreciated.

[@sillygoose9070]

Excellent analysis!

[@Northman_Roams]

We've replaced Monarch's with parasite CEO's.

[@carlywright5127]

I heard someone say CEO and Monarchs are on the same team, just a tier down from, directives.

[@martinenserink8108]

Great interview. I'd like to see more thought on where this anti-Western self-hatred is coming from.

[@richardwebb9532]

Oi vey!

[@usamade5943]

!SWEJ

[@jimmymcgee4101]

The inner drive that comes from poverty stricken people's, is immense. I remember talking to a friend going through a hard time and reminding her that we both have something so many don't have. She was surprised when I told her our inner drive was so strong . Finding the upper classes of people, lazy, always looking for the easy way out, and not knowing the meaning of hard work.

[@TheDAT9]

The Culture Forum have discussed our current malaise many times and have described the mechanics of it in detail. But never do they get to the source of who/what is driving it. Who/what are the very few at the top of the pyramid ?

[@michaelstanwick9690]

Have this book on order. Looking forward to reading it and comparing the description of decolonisation with the one given in Cynical Theories by Pluckrose and Lindsay. As a suggestion, why not have Helen Pluckrose on for an interview regarding this very important topic?

[@honeybunch6473]

As a graduate from an Arts degree I felt much of tge course was about "feelings and woke causes". If you could hang meat off a hook, litter it with rubbish beneath it and connect it to a bunch of feelings you scored very highly. Equipment and materials were strictly guarded by stringent rules that discouraged practical skills development. Students who did well made woke issues the focus of their work. If you presented yourself as a victim, lectures loved it! The top students couldn't draw, paint, use media and materials well. I've since leaving uni, educated myself on various courses and self-application. My opinion is that universities just accept anyone on courses to increase income and have adjusted assessment to suit increased income. My course was littered with students who lacked creativity and skills but had a woke narrative. Of course, critical anaysis is part of the course, but there should be BALANCE. In retrospect, i wasted my money and really should have self-educated. Nobody wants my credentials, a woke story or self flagellating in my art. It sells because it is skillfully done.

[@EliasTsakmakis]

fine arts education in Europe is all about networking and bullshiting. the craft out of the arts is snubbed and looked down upon as redundant and anachronistic. If there was ever a point and a scientific approach to art education and the material and processes involved it is completely neglected in our schools. I was aware of that even before i get my degree and even more so when i hit the market and start participating in exhibitions and galleries, but i never knew how much harm it has done to me until after i saw what people from a more traditional background from other parts of the world were doing. I attest that if your art is more important to you than social credits and laurels the solution is to set your own goals, self educate and if possible get off the gallery market and work free lance or with a small group of clients, provided that you can afford it. As a side note, i remember during my days of schooling and later in the galleries and museums, an overwhelming number of works involving all kinds of pulverized materials and dusts, ashes, sands, gravels. I used to think that it had more to do with the accessibility and ease of use of these types of materiel but the more i come to think about it the more i like to think that there is a psychological statement projected on these which has a lot to say about the structural integrity of our value system.

[@LyubomirIko]

You got into the wrong place? There is so many art academy in which this isn't the case. Every school usually have portfolio and you can understand what you will study beforehand. The greatest problem maybe is that most of the exhibition and the culture noise is still revolving around the woke-liberal art, but you can just take this opportunity to distinguish yourself better.

[@EliasTsakmakis]

@@LyubomirIko i obviously did. But to my defence, i did not know any better, had no guidance either, and i had allready spent most of my early 20s acquiring a degree on chemistry which i hated and had to serve in the military too. By the time i had the opportunity to enrol in the arts everything happened in a hurry because i was stressed for time. Having in my country essentially 1 fine arts school while the rest were considered trade schools did not help either. By the time i had my second degree i had a much clearer idea what i should have done but i figured i had no time to continue studying i wanted to start working. It’s all messed up but hey i came to realise that i followed the visual arts because i knew from early on that i wanted to be pretty much left alone and have control of my production processes, so it kinda worked out this way. Had i knew then what i know now i would beeline for Moscow Sorry for giving my life’s story as an answer.

[@LyubomirIko]

@@EliasTsakmakis a lot of post-modern art is a critical social comment - It's properties of being nihilistic, destructive, repulsive and ugly aren't incidental or due to lack of ability to "beautify" the piece and idea. The strive of beautification have ended around post-impressionism, the viewer's ability to lift the veil of conventional ugliness and discover new beauty and meaning is quite interesting, sometimes a little demanding if you aren't conditioned. Nobody have stopped to create their own thing, just the language of expression in art have gone larger.

[@LyubomirIko]

@@EliasTsakmakis problem is, art - unlike let's say chemistry is not a fixated method, because it's you who have to create the elements and the atoms. There is simply not a single philosophy or method that will fit all. I was the reverse of you - the art schools in my country are directly influenced by the Russian academic education. And I was rather interested in digital and harsh electric arts, audio-visuals, glitch art. My younger me didn't fit there either - and the professor was dismissive of my computer strives. In the end even in this type of school it's again solely up to you to build some skills and visions. Remember impressionist? They were leaving and rioting the art academy as well, but because of the extreme conservatism. Van gogh is completely self-taught, and this is his charm - the unique perspective he was able to acquire.

[@MC-rw3lc]

Prof Doug is amazing 🤗. So good to have him back on NCF 👌

[@Benjamin.Jamin.]

Just bought the book. Great interview.

[@DavidJohnson-yg8qm]

I first realised the elite despised the working class when working for the Civil Service where the front line staff were referred to as replaceable resources which IT systems were currently being designed to replace. The senior staff did not realise they were more replaceable than us.

[@seijacharles4004]

With the sort of focused and intense reconstruction of society by IT systems, is there really any reason to believe that some of us are irreplaceable. Uni degree or not, the coming universal pay will be the icing on the cake. Thought police and social credit officer will ensure the group think is not violated, and that there is "security" in every closet apartment. Are we still not saying NO.

[@annapachaclarke2392]

​@@seijacharles4004 Have you never heard of TACTICS and how to play games. Stop snivelling, lol😅

[@seijacharles4004]

@@annapachaclarke2392 Those on the winning side of the game view it from the VIP balcony. Those "standing small" can just snivel: "the winner takes it all". Neutral onlookers are nonexistent/silent wannabe's of the "winners".

[@debradelarue9717]

This professor is spot on, i applaud him, and hes right about the gutless majority which sickens me because time is running out.

[@littleitalyblogspot]

'Wonderfully diverse.' I wish that were true. Our culture is under threat. So much so it might not survive it.