Tops Tahoma Field Knife Vs Becker BK9

[@DPWingo]

As a blade smith I'd like to point out a few things. Many have commented on quality over looks and they are right. So let's look at the quality. Tops uses a differential heat treat, BK does not. This makes the Tops blade last longer under heave use. The grind profile on the BK is what you might call finer, where Tops uses a more aggressive angle. This also contributes to edge retention and overall blade life. The different finishes has been touched on in a comment or two. This is also very important, especially for novice blade owners. Tops uses a far superior finish on there blades which requires less maintenance to keep the blade in good shape. Also, don't discount fit and finish as just for looks. A blade with superior fit and finish will stay in one piece longer then a blade with less attention to detail. Lastly, when testing penetration and chopping ability, blade length and weight as well as weight distribution should be talked about, cense they contribute so much to those tasks. Just some thoughts to ponder from a guy who has been making blades for over 30 years.

[@outerlimitless]

Good overall advice. Where can I see some of your blade smith work? I'd love to see what you produce...thanks!

[@DPWingo]

All my work is custom. Each blade I make is designed with the customer to not only meet there needs but provide life time of durability. Sorry to disappoint you but haven't made bulk blades in 25 years.

[@outerlimitless]

Cool...I like the personal design element...I think that takes more talent to pull off something that satisfies each and every customer. Good stuff.

[@jamescooper2618]

I have put my BK 7 and 9 through some very heavy uses camping, bushcrafting, building blinds etc. They have held up well and are easy to sharpen. I even still use the original "piece of shit" sheathes they come with. Both were under 100 bucks too.

[@KingTesticus]

Great comments back and forth on this review. It appears everyone likes the BK-9 over the TFK, and that's very okay. Hopefully no one perceives my opposite opinion as an attack, it isn't. I used to own a BK-9, but replaced it with the TFK a few years ago. It's just a better knife, and that's my meaningless opinion based on my experience.

[@outerlimitless]

No offence taken...points well made.

[@outerlimitless]

Hey check out the Blade HQ video that literally just posted... Interesting timing!

[@TheStratman007]

I prefer the Tops myself. My collection is exceptionally large. I do not care too much for the stock scales on the BK, whereas the Tops has a nicer and firmer grip. The blades are a toss-up, however for feel, aesthetics, and actual chores, I would choose the Tops without question. Now, the "best" knife in the world is the "one" "you" like the most.

[@TheStratman007]

Oh, I forgot to mention, I own both. I found the tops a good dog defense knife. We have coydogs and rouge pit bull dogs left over from abandoned meth houses in the mountains.

[@csh6220]

Your opinions are never meaningless.

[@dicksonanthony1]

Awesome video. I've actually been eyeing both of these for my next knife that I plan to convince my wife is integral to my manhood. There's two others, but these have jumped to the head of the list.

[@diogenesstudent5585]

Which did you get

[@dicksonanthony1]

@@diogenesstudent5585 the Becker BK9

[@shelliesman7552]

I really appreciate your Review. I believe that you are a Fair Reviewer, and that you were Truly being unbiased, giving Points for things that are really meaningful, and Taking them away for Issues that detract from the Knives Usability. I have Subscribed to your Channel, and am looking Forward to watching your other Reviews. Thanks. 👍

[@outerlimitless]

I appreciate that...I really do try to be honest with my impressions. I make statement based on my senses...and only use my beliefs when I state that it's an opinion. I'm glad to have you aboard and feel free to reach out any time. I do my best to answer most comments!

[@joea5729]

Great review, but a little more familiarity with the design of the TFK would have made it better. The far back grip position is for chopping only. Not carving. The index finger in the choil, as you showed is the inteded carving position. The finger choil can also be used for the pinky while holding the blade from the side with the other 4 figers which gives you great fine carving control. When battoning with the TFK, you strike the blade on handle side, not the sharpened tip. The notch in the top of the blade enables you to manage hot pot handles, break wire, and notch bone for clean breaks. The back portion of the tang is a pry bar, not really s screw driver. The raised portion on the top of the blade ahead of the handle adds a second grommet for lashing as a spear or for using as a forward lanyard spot. I think the shorter blade also makes it nicely balanced and easier to carry. All in all, a bit more utility than the BK 9.

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks...regardless the handle is not comfortable for my liking...and the other features are useful, but to a point. I agree about the batoning technique and not hammering the swedge.

[@thewatcher611]

I believe Andy Tran, the designer designed this knife as a one tool option. Great knife in the right hands. I think both knives would benefit from a convex edge. TFK is a great blade for the woods, as that is what it was designed for. BK9 is a combat bowie, so, not going to have all the bells and whistles that the bushcraft large blade will. A scraping demo would have been nice, scrape wood, fatwood, and a ferro rod. Also to note, the BK9 comes with a thick black traction coating, but the TFK, being purpose built for the woods, comes with Tops' stonewashed finish, or is it black riverwash? Anyway, woods knife = uncoated in my book. Since I have no problem modding stuff, I wouldn't care about the coating. Great knives tho, good point about the familiarity.

[@NGMonocrom]

Great review. I went with the BK9. Another reviewer who is actually good friends with Andy Tran (designer of the Tahoma Field Knife), pointed out that the TFK is a survival tool only. Whereas the BK9 is both a survival tool and a Combat blade. Does both very well. He finished by saying that if you like all the extra features on the TFK, buy it. If they don't appeal to you, you're probably better off with the BK9. While I own several TOPS Knives, I don't need the bells & whistles on the TFK.

[@outerlimitless]

I'm glad you commented. I totally feel the way you described it. I appreciate what the Tahoma is...I don't knock it for what tools it brings to the table. But for me, personally, the BK9 is a better fit...it suits my needs better. Thanks for watching!

[@NGMonocrom]

@@outerlimitless Thank you for the excellent content.

[@weaponeer8582]

It’s a bladed tool. No reason why it couldn’t be used as a weapon even though Andy didn’t design it as such. You might like it more if you use it how it was intended to be used. Carving and fine tasks are supposed to be done with the rear of the blade, not the front. The handle feels a better for chopping than the BK9. Also, you were batoning with the TFK wrong. Enjoyment and usefulness usually depends if you’re using a tool properly. A Bailisong and a Karambit are both knives but the mechanics on how you use them for their applications are different.

[@csh6220]

Andy Tran, the designer of the Tahoma recommends, when batoning, placing the wood closer to the knife tip and hitting the area just in front of the handle. The handle is big enough so that there is little chance of hitting your fingers with the baton. Thanks for the great review. I prefer the straight forward BK 9 personally.

[@outerlimitless]

Interesting concept...that's actually almost the opposite of what we're all used to, but it makes perfect sense. I never tried that...kind of wish I did to see how it went. Great comment, thanks for sharing!

[@masonwells3554]

I have both and I will take the Tahoma FK over the BK-9 10 times out of 10. BK-9 is ok, but the quality difference is light years in favor of the Tahoma. Becker and Tops are on 2 different levels as far as quality is concerned. I also prefer the handle ergonomics on the Tahoma.

[@outerlimitless]

You're definitely right about the quality. I love Tops fit and finish...quality of steel and dual temper. But I just really don't like that handle. If I could just combine the two!

[@farmtrout66]

I just purchased the BK 9 and ran across your video. Well done 👍 subbed .

[@outerlimitless]

Glad to have you aboard! Enjoy the BK9... you'll love it!

[@waynecastleman1363]

A great review and great feedback from viewers , Personally I'm a fan of the BK 9 and BK series as well but no doubt Tops are are a good choice.

[@elderhiker7787]

I thought your review was fair and comprehensive. In all fairness, you can’t go wrong with either of these knives, so the argument really boils down to personal choice. Some knives just feel better in your hand than other knives. That is the knife you should choose. I admit to being a Ka-bar/Becker fan-boy and I own several Becker’s: BK-9, BK-16, BK-17, and had a BK-7 which I gave to my son because I just prefer the BK-9. In my hand it feels well-balanced and functional and has the heft and durability. It’s a beast and allows me to leave my forest axe at home much of the time. Also, I’d like to share another technique the further enhances the multi-purpose functionality of the BK-9. For more delicate carving tasks; I use the lanyard as a fulcrum point by slipping my hand up, through the lanyard past the wrist. Then I grasp the blade tightly up near the point of the knife and proceed with my delicate/fine carving tasks. It works well and I don’t have to switch to my Mora Garberg. If I was going to do a lot of small work such as notching, or carving dove tails, I would switch knives. If I had to choose only one survival knife, it would be the BK-9. Without question. But, ask 10 Bushcrafters that question, and you might get 20 different answers. Good review.

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks, yes, absolutely personal preference. Hand shape, intended use and even aesthetic connection definitely comes into play...or even cost. For me, the main factor is handle ergos. I would love to have the BK15. So hard to find! I should have bought one when we had the chance!

[@jtscustomcutlery317]

I've been waiting for this video for sense for forever

[@PapaBearCustomKydex2021]

Don't ask me what rock ive been under for all these years but 5 years after the fact i really appreciate this vs episode. I feel i made the right decision with my BK-9 but always good to have a little confirmation. New Subscriber 🙏🇨🇦

[@outerlimitless]

Haha, welcome to the light! But glad you checked it out and thanks for the SUB!! Glad to have you aboard...I try to answer as many comments as possible so reach out anytime! Glad you liked the video! BK9 is solid!

[@PapaBearCustomKydex2021]

@@outerlimitless Thats great and thank you. Thats great you stay in such close contact with your subscribers. Im enjoying catching up on your vids. Take care

[@margaretadler6162]

Own a BK62 BK2 and a BK9 all are fine knives for the jobs they were designed for but my favorite all around knife is the William Collins WCSK!

[@mikeogden5256]

Both are awesome blades

[@CrimsonCrux]

I own a BK3, 7 and 9 and consider them some of the best value and performance knives I've owned out of all kinds brands and designs (although I'm very fond of Lionsteel's T5 and M7 too) but you will want to invest in better grips and sheathes. The only reason I didn't get the highly sung BK2 was because I have an ESEE 5 and honestly they're pretty much the same blade in terms of performance for me. I've owned a lot of TOPS knives but honestly sold on most of them (including my BOB which I thought I'd never part with but I have a load of cheaper, easily replaceable Condor and Moras that do the same job) simply because a lot of their designs are hit and miss, with all kinds of gimmicks and features I honestly just don't need or would use in lieu of a tool dedicated to a specific purpose. Out of every TOPS knife I've owned, the Prather War Bowie and Air Wolfe were exactly tailored to my tastes and preferences and couldn't recommend more highly for a simple, clean profile jack of all trades knife.

[@csh6220]

I forgot to say that you can order the Tahoma with the swedge unsharpened. Certain states ban knives with both sides sharpened, like that will stop some maniac from cutting someone. I've watched several of your videos, and like your channel. Keep them coming!

[@outerlimitless]

Ya, I have funny knife rules around here. But I did get my hands on another Tahoma with the unsharpened swedge. I still couldn't really enjoy the knife, especially next to the BK9. The handle just ruined it for me. Thanks for watching!!

[@Dubpommie]

Thank you. One of the best review/comparison blade videos I've seen. Good job hope theres more like this coming!

[@outerlimitless]

I appreciate it...definitely more coming soon!

[@robertosanchez7242]

I have both, and when it come to performance I prefer the BK9. Its lighter, it cuts better, and it feel better in my hand. I feel I have perfect control when using my BK9. I like the my TFK too, but I have to work a little harder to get things done, and its quite heavy, I like the many holding positions it has...and all the xtra bells and whistles are fun too. Until this day I have found no need or use for the secondary blade. I recommend one sharp side only, you will find that upper edge only gets in the way when doing detail work.

[@outerlimitless]

Yeah...the TFK is awkward to me...never really fit the niche for me. The BK9 is a light little sword!

[@arctodussimus6198]

When doing the push-cuts, put the wood closer to the handle and you won’t have a problem with the sharpened swedge or the wire cutter

[@georgieocasio1764]

BK9 is definitely my favorite.it feels just awesome in my hand and easy to work with!

[@outerlimitless]

I was contemplating this being a BK7 comparison, but I'm glad I used the BK9. I do love that blade!

[@davidrogers182]

Excellent review! After review I’m going with BK9!

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks, glad I could help! Good luck! You'll love it... solid definitely!

[@Nohkral]

If you had to pick one camp knife what would it be? Was thinking bk9 for $120. Please let me know if there is better

[@outerlimitless]

What are your typical uses for your camp knife? Processing fire wood? Food prep? To me, I would go closer to a 6" knife for a general camp knife, but it depends on your objectives.

[@Nohkral]

@@outerlimitless I just want an all around beast that wont get damaged or loose a tip

[@arctodussimus6198]

I’m sure you have made your choice by now. But I am curious what you chose. If I was deciding between the BK7 or the BK9, I would get the BK7. But for an all around, do anything, survival/camp knife, I carry the TOPS Armageddon. I’ve chopped up fallen trees, processed firewood, and even cleaned fish with it.

[@phillo1818]

I have the BK9 and your right a proper choil would make it a much more camp friendly knife. But, who only has one knife? I love the look and added features of the TFK, I’ve never held one so I cannot give an honest opinion on the TFK. However, given your review I can say with fair confidence that I have the better of the two knives and I’m not missing much by not owning a TFK. BTW: the two cutouts on top of the blade are for picking your pot of stew/tea or coffee up and out or away from the fire. Again fashion a hook/notch into a stick takes two seconds. I might just cut my own choil into my BK9. One other small but important detail is that Schrade sharpens the blade all of the way back which makes camp chores a bit easier. Great review and just as relevant 6 years later.

[@MTMILITIAMAN7.62]

Now, if you were to add an ESEE Junglas to the mix... Both a Tops and the Becker come with shitty nylon sheaths that will need to be replaced by aftermarket kydex if you intend to carry them. That adds $60-100 to the cost. The BK-9 can be had for $60 cheaper, but the stock Grivory handle scales are a detriment to some that will need to be replaced. The Knife Connection has excellent G10 scales in a variety of colors, for about $60, making the cost of the knives nearly identical. Between the two, I don't think you can go wrong, though I have half a dozen Tops so I would probably lean towards the TFK. The ESEE Junglas comes in at the same price point as the BK-9 and TFK, depending on the version you get, but has a fantastic kydex sheath, making it an attractive option. I'd like to see it tested with the other two.

[@mr.delacruz559]

Great comparison!! You did a great job showing the pros and cons of each knife!Do you have any other big knives your going to compare?Thanx for the video and God bless!

[@outerlimitless]

I do have many large blades... lots of plans moving forward this summer! Thanks for watching!

[@adb79trucker]

The BK-9 had been modified, where, the Tahoma was stock. Looks like you had put custom Micarta scales on BK, and stripped the blade coating on it. Tohama was factory coating, and scales. I only bring this up, to point out extra BK cost, still around same price as Tahoma though, just can't buy a BK-9 from Store like in the video. Tahoma is same as when you get out of box. Stock Blade Coating on Tahoma, is far superior to BK, but, BK is an excellent knife. I have large hands, the regular Plastic BK handles are a little more slippery, than Micarta your Test knife had! Tahoma has stock canvas Micarta on this test. Each individual is different, so handle material, and traction very important. Tahoma Scales will get slick if you are in water, but, still grab ok with blood, Stock Plastic type BK handles are slicker in nearly all situations, but I'm sure Custom Scales on BK fix slick issue. I think these are both Excellent Knives!!! Used both, but I prefer My Tahoma?? Individual taste is all.

[@outerlimitless]

You have very valid points. Here's why I don't address your comments in the video. For the most part I buy all my gear used...but most of what I get is considered used but ends up being basically like new condition once I receive it. That is the case with both the bk9 and tahoma. Both came with upgraded kydex sheaths and the bk9 came with the scales. I paid $119 for both the bk9 and tahoma. You'll notice I seldom discuss money or cost because I realize that my experience is not generally based on the new cost of gear. I tend to focus on what my impressions are and how something feels to me. I've never held the bk9 with the factory scales and have no real basis to go by there.

[@outdoorsdad1179]

I've watched this vid a few times and it led me to buy and mod a bk9, I will probs buy the tops knife as well and video my mods on that. Great vid mate Atb Mark wild is best

[@Fluxxcapacitor52]

Try putting thr guard of the blade closer to the material when your making feather sticks with the bk9. That knife fearhersticks Luke a dream when used properly

[@KingTesticus]

As an experiment I spent a year with what I called EDC the TFK. I made a custom kydex sheath for it that could ride either under my arm or inside my pants. I like the BK-9, however, the TFK is a superior edged tool in my opinion because it's technically a Multi-tool. And if you follow along with the concepts that went into the design of this knife you'd understand it is the way it is for very good reason. The BK-9 was designed without imagination. Just a fixed straight blade with a handle. Big Deal. The Tahoma Field Knife was painstakingly crafted from scratch and took many years to become what it is. Each part of the knife has a purpose and in the case of the handle, two purposes (that being a handle and a bow-drill divot). Okay, yes, you must be observant of that sharpened swedge, and for the noob it can be intimidating. Also, the main edge comes all the way down to the finger choil, and if you're not careful and hastily grab it, you can nick your finger. Just don't do that, or, you'll be mindful next time if you get cut. The sharpened swedge serves as a secondary edge in case the primary edge becomes damaged in an extended "camping" scenario. Sorry, but I am very fond of the logic that went into every part of the TFK and I believe your review is unfair because you're comparing it to a knife that's like every other knife you've ever known or used. Like I said, the BK-9 is a great knife, but it lacks IMAGINATION. It lacks multi-function and is only a "knife." I had to thumbs-down this video out of sentiment at least, but also out of an unfair comparison. Thank you.

[@outerlimitless]

You have great points...very well said. I completely agree with very much of what you said. And I'll admit that I am not very advanced. I do honestly feel like I represent the average Joe and I might not even have the same skill set as the average viewer of my channel. Even furthermore, I feel like Tops quality is hard to beat...top notch in most ways, everything from fit and finish to strength, heat treat, etc. On paper, the TFK kills the BK9. However...I AM the average person, and I have average skills. From that angle, the BK9 fits me better, performs better for my average needs, and has a better overall feel in the hand. I can't really knock the TFK...I just point out what works and doesn't work FOR ME. This video is MY personal experience...and you can thumbs down that all you want. But I do appreciate your comments...and you're making perfect sense.

[@dtelaw]

Liked the video. I am a BK9 owner. I like Tops and I own one. For my money, I will go with KABAR /Becker every time.

[@outerlimitless]

I generally like every Becker. I like many Tops knives, but some just don't agree with me...the Tops handles are hit or miss, but I do like their blade shapes.

[@montaine320]

Hey! I’m just getting into outdoorsmanship and know that I need a knife. I think I want to get a Becker, but I’m having a lot of trouble deciding between the BK7 and the 9. Have you done any comparison between the two? Or do you have any advice?

[@outerlimitless]

Just found your comment...sorry for the delayed response...my fault!! If you're still looking for some advice feel free to reach out: [e-mail]

[@billpeart]

BK7 or BK9 would serve you well. They are really two different categories of knives so it depends on what you intend on doing and what else you carry in your kit for shelter and firecraft.

[@jamescooper2618]

I am a big fan of the BK9. I find it will do many chores well. My only wish is that they would make an un-coated version

[@outerlimitless]

Use Jasco to strip the coating. it's super easy and you can get it done in an hour. take a look at my bk7 video, I strip it step by step. you can get Jayco at home depot.

[@outerlimitless]

"Jasco"

[@jamescooper2618]

outer limitless Thanks, I already have done that. Its a much better blade once it's been stripped.

[@outerlimitless]

+James Cooper I agree! I pretty much only like uncoated blades.

[@DatGuie]

Great review, this video led me to grab the bk9 and it is by far my favorite knife. Ty outer limitless

[@outerlimitless]

awesome! that's great. You'll love it. Good luck!

[@Gottaculat]

That double edge, as a hunter friend of mine pointed out, renders the Tahoma virtually useless for skinning (yes, I know, both knives are way too big to be skinning knives anyway). I also assume that the BK9 wins outright on its price compared to a knife made by TOPS. I'm not sure what the Tahoma's price is, but I'm sure it's over $100 dollars, where as my BK9 was about $95... about $125, if you include the BK13 Remora, which is the companion knife that goes in that secondary sheath for the BK9. Still, I'm guessing the Tahoma is about $185. Now I'm curious to look that up and see for sure. :) Edit: Ah, the Tahoma was cheaper than I realized, but at $163, it's still much more than the BK9+BK13 combo. I'd say the BK9 wins this one.

[@outerlimitless]

I love Tops fit and finish, looks, quality, steel, heat treat...soooo much to like about them. Yet all the time their handles leave me disappointed. It's such a shame!! I don't generally get too hung up over price, but if you can only imagine how much money I spend to run my channel, after a while the difference between $100 and $200 doesn't really matter. I think that's why you don't generally hear me talk about price. But there's no doubt that the BK9 is just a wicked blade...especially upgraded with the micarta. It's certainly one of my favorites!

[@gunnutmike]

How do they compare price wise? Definitely a consideration for most of us.

[@outerlimitless]

Honestly, I'm a bad reference for price. I buy all of my gear for the most part 3rd party. These two blades were both "used" but essentially new. I paid about $110 USD for both of them, and the BK9 came hooked up with the factory sheaty, and a nice custom kydex and the micarta handle scales. The Tahoma came with both the factory sheath and an aftermarket kydex. There's plenty of info out there on what these cost new.

[@gunnutmike]

outer limitless Thanks for the reply. I've had my BK9 for awhile, got it on sale at Midway. Don't remember how much. I checked the current prices on Amazon; about $154.00 for the Tops, about $94.00 for the BK9. Both without extras, both with free shipping.

[@RiceVillatoro]

But which knife is the lighter of the 2?

[@bcsorensenman]

Thanks for the info, good review, nice to see how they compare. Appreciate it, best to you.

[@outerlimitless]

bcsorensenman Thanks for watching!

[@Kaleena43]

Those are some incredibly accurate swings at around the 8 minute mark...

[@rwhite3345]

8:00

[@IrfanAhmad-xy7wd]

Are the blades 11 incher? i would like to have both bk9 and Tahoma Field Knife if they are available in 11inches

[@outerlimitless]

These are both basically 9" blade length...if you want 11" blade length you would need a different model. Maybe look a the Tops Armageddon??

[@arctodussimus6198]

@@outerlimitless The Armageddon is my absolute favorite knife. I got TOPS to round off the little choil on the handle, and it’s 200 times more comfortable. I’ve used it for everything from chopping up fallen trees, to cleaning fish. The perfect one tool option (imho).

[@TheBearmageddon]

Pressing my luck here on a two year old video, but don't suppose you have some information on where you got those BK9 scales do you? I've got the lighter brown/beige micarta scales right now and can't seem to track down some nice darker brown ones.

[@outerlimitless]

The dark handle scales were part of a package I bought for the BK9 with a 710 Customs sheath. I bought it all used from eBay at the time. Those scales are just a touch thinner than the tanish brown ones and are a hair smoother. They are really sweet actually. I have never been able to find them for sale anywhere and have looked a number of times. If I every find them I will post it because people often ask. I wish I had better suggestions!

[@TheBearmageddon]

@@outerlimitless Ahh fair enough, no worries. I may see what I can do to darken the current scales but in the meantime, the search continues! Thanks for the quick response!

[@sipafifth]

I loved the vid but it seemed like you babied the tahoma and used the bk. Subbed tho.

[@outerlimitless]

Both actually had about equal work...the BK looked like it was used more just because of the stripped coating and patina. The Tahoma has that sweet river wash finish that holds up really nicely...if you look closely, the bottom edge was faded, but not damaged in any way. Thanks for coming aboard!

[@OutdoorAlchemy]

I looked at the Tahoma for quite a while. I finally bought the large version of the Tops Tex Creek, which is a great knife. It has the more traditional handle. The Tex Creek also has a nice leather sheath.

[@outerlimitless]

I had the Tex Creek XL. It is a wonderful blade shape, but I found the handle to be a tad small. If it had a choil, I think it would have worked quite well for me. I do love the look of that blade...it's beautiful.

[@OutdoorAlchemy]

I agree the handle is a bit narrow and thin. They should alter it, or offer it in several handle configurations. I still like mine and use it often. Thicker scales would help.

[@OutdoorAlchemy]

Yeah, I agree. I wish they would sell some replacement scales to thicken up the handle. I still enjoy the knife though.

[@Torqd_Off]

I didn't hear a price... and, how about a link to get one??? You should either put it in the description of the video or pin it in comments

[@outerlimitless]

I don't discuss price...subject to change. There are a million places to get either of these knives. Just look around...should not be hard to find.

[@sosteve9113]

good review,but i have my thoughts about those notches on the back of the blade what do you think? atb steve

[@outerlimitless]

on the back of the tahoma? I don't use the notch, or really like it. the bitch is that between the notch and the sharpened swedge, there's nowhere to push off for push cuts. kind of sketchy and a bit dangerous actually!

[@zeroa6]

Nice video!! Does the BK-9 a forced patina?

[@outerlimitless]

Ya, that patina was made with yellow mustard that I watered down and bubble wrap. Lather the knife in the mustard mix and then use the bubble wrap to create the pattern you want. It usually takes 3 or 4 times of covering the knife with that method until it's covered evenly. Works pretty good.

[@zeroa6]

Thanls for sharing! it´s an amazing patina.

[@outerlimitless]

+zeroa6 thanks! here's a video on the same treatment on my bk7 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZbIiYmcqrplmNU

[@loyalegroup3929]

I wanna' preface my comment by posting that I'm a HUGE fan of both TOPS and Becker knives. But, in this particular comparison, my money goes to the Becker...every day, and twice on Sunday. Hell, I'd even take the BK-7 over the TFK (*I had a kinda' "failure" [bend] with my TFK, but have beat my Beckers like red-headed stepchildren) Now, a BK-7 or 9 and a TOPS 107 (C, D, or E), I'd most likely take the TOPS, if just for the .25" blade stock. It'd be close. But, I think the 107 would rule. Just my very humble opinion.

[@mgsharnhorst]

I have the BK7 (love that thing). I added a choil and reprofiled the edge a bit....made it even better. The same could easily be done with the BK9.

[@outerlimitless]

Yeah, my BK9 has a choil. Gets thin on the stock...would work better if the ricasso area was deeper, but hell, I'll take it for what it is.

[@stevegareau7163]

newer subscriber but really like the channel and knife reviews

[@outerlimitless]

Awesome, glad you're aboard! Thanks for watching!

[@vladislavovi44]

How can i get this exact BK9 with this finish and micarta? I dont like the black one

[@outerlimitless]

That is modding. You need to strip the coating and add a patina for that look. You can get aftermarket micarta handle scales many places. eBay has many options.

[@vladislavovi44]

@@outerlimitlessThank you for your reply! I saw how you do it with watter and mustered, but doesn’ the rust stains damage the blade in the long run?

[@ThunderMountainTactical]

Great review Bro! I love my Tops knives but I think I prefer the over all look of the BK9.

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks! Ya...you don't have a BK9? I'm starting to really appreciate it. I see you've been busy over at your channel. I like the tiny log cabin...

[@ThunderMountainTactical]

outer limitless I do not have a BK9. We have several other large knives but we rarely use them in real life. The smaller hunting knives get used a ton.

[@outerlimitless]

+ThunderMountain Tactical haha! you're pretty much right about the "real life" thing...haha, but it's damn fun!

[@ThunderMountainTactical]

outer limitless For sure! That is why we do it. LOL!

[@charlescannon6775]

why is everybody obsessed with battoning?

[@outerlimitless]

Not sure it's obsessed, but has certainly become a way to split down wood. I don't require it, or always baton, but when I do, it is so I can get right down to the dry wood inside a stick or log. It has certainly increased my success in wet weather fire building...but to your point...it's not really needed or an obsession...certainly not all the time.

[@karenng1114]

Charles Cannon l

[@queasd9710]

You don't have to carry a hatchet or axe if u can baton

[@anneandnoahrussell9540]

Batoning is the universal ultimate test of good quality blades. A poor quality blade will start to rattle and loosen up with batoning. Also, knives of these sides are meant to replace your axe and thus splitting wood with the knife is more valuable than with smaller knives.

[@web1187]

Because all the old survivalists are getting old can't swing that axe anymore I guess lol

[@jassenswisher]

Killer review bro.

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks! Many people didn't like it because I wasn't favoring the Tahoma. I wasn't really knocking it either though...just didn't feel like it fit my style. It's a great knife, but so is the BK9... Thanks for watching!

[@usawcraig1]

Nice video. I would have liked 3 important pieces of info though, price, weight, and blade steel.

[@outerlimitless]

Ya, I'm not too much of a stats guy when I review, especially on products that have hundreds of reviews. I'm more trying to take new angles, new comparisons, and my impressions of these blades. Giddens tactical does great with the stats if you're interested. Thanks for watching!

[@usawcraig1]

+outer limitless I respect that greatly and that's what makes your video original. However weight stats at least would make me appreciate a real Apple's too Apple's comparison. Keep putting out the good videos.

[@merrilllangs]

is the Tahoma a lot more expensive or am I just looking in the wrong spot

[@outerlimitless]

I think it's generally much more expensive

[@jamesaritchie2]

The difference comes in the steel, too. Just because two knives say 1095, or 1075, or whatever, does not mean those steels are anywhere equal. Then again, I've been a woodsman for fifty years, and I have never found a single time when batoning with a knife was necessary. It always means you aren't carrying the right tools, or don't know enough to pick the right wood. Whatever KZbin experts preach, batoning with a knife is always foolish. Many of them actually say this, but no one listens because KZbin is almost nothing but incest now. Your knife is supposed to be your best friend, and what kind of person beats his best friend with a club?

[@outerlimitless]

please explain further what you mean by not the right tool. you mean more like use of an axe vs batoning? and also what you mean by the right wood. just curious what you have found works the best.

[@christophercox8712]

+ James Ritchie - thank you thank you thank you. Every time I see one of these batoning videos I think the same thing. In 30+ years in the woods camping etc, I've never once needed to baton with a knife.

[@outerlimitless]

+Christopher Cox do you prefer to split with an axe? I've been using my small forest axe, a bushcraft knife and my silky saw on most trips and it's been a perfect combo. I wouldn't say I "have to" baton, but it can be an effective method depending on what tools you have

[@christophercox8712]

Sven saw and folding knife if hiking since weight matters and a camp axe if not hiking.

[@billpeart]

I wouldn't say a 9 inch blade is the wrong tool for splitting down wrist size kindling.

[@meccagold2009]

The Tahoma comes unsharpened on the swedge too.

[@outerlimitless]

I actually bought one unsharpened. was holding it about an hour ago...still can't stand the handle!

[@NGMonocrom]

Only thing is, you have to buy the knife directly from TOPS or the designer's (Andy Tran) website. Every other place it's sold only with the sharpened version.

[@KingTesticus]

or, you could dremel it if you're so frightened of the sharpened swedge...

[@CorkKNIFE]

"sharpened swedge" makes it illegal in many jurisdictions.

[@SUFFICIENTSURVIVAL]

Sweet review sir and good comparison!!

[@outerlimitless]

do you use your Gmail account? I'd like to email you about some ideas I have.

[@SUFFICIENTSURVIVAL]

outer limitless send me a pm on here!!

[@outerlimitless]

+SUFFICIENT SURVIVAL I tried, not sure how to do it. maybe cause I'm on my phone?

[@SUFFICIENTSURVIVAL]

outer limitless if you have Facebook look me up ( Chad Collins ) I live in West Virginia!!

[@outerlimitless]

+SUFFICIENT SURVIVAL I will get to you on Facebook. I'm prepping for a backpack trip, leaving tomorrow, but I'll get to you in a couple days. I have thoughts I want to run past you...me and you are kinda in the same boat. I'm curious about your channel experience.

[@louisdisalvia8310]

I’m subscribing if only because you have the greatest accent known to man.

[@outerlimitless]

Haha, perfect! Thank you and welcome aboard.

[@louisdisalvia8310]

@@outerlimitless I too have an “accent” or so they tell me. But I have a TOPS tahoma in USPS limbo right now, so hopefully it gets here soon. Thanks for the review!

[@outerlimitless]

@@louisdisalvia8310 Nice! Tops quality is hard to beat. The Tahoma never quite did it for me, but at the time I also required selling blades to keep my channel moving. At this point I can keep or sell anything...so a long term use of the TFK would give me a better impression and a more detailed opinion. Blade shape is great but the handle is a bit tough for my preferences. There's no denying it's a great knife and very capable. Good luck and enjoy!

[@louisdisalvia8310]

@@outerlimitless A lot of the TOPS knives have, shall we say, interesting handles. Some fit me perfectly and some are just plain terrible. TOPS still makes some of the most fun knives that are just great to play around with so hopefully the Tahoma will fit the bill. Happy new year BTW!

[@outerlimitless]

@@louisdisalvia8310 You'll like it... it's a great knife overall! Happy new year to you as well!

[@aaronbenns9051]

who cares about baton damage there lots more branches in the woods

[@outerlimitless]

I'm glad you said that...it's very true. I used to carve down my handle a bit to get a more comfortable baton, but that's a waste of time unless you have a ton of splitting to do. I'm becoming more of an axe guy, so if I have heavy splitting tasks, I'll use the axe, but I do appreciate and utilize batoning quite a bit. But yes...plenty of branches!!! Haha, thanks for watching!

[@aaronbenns9051]

i like knife better for small fire starting kindling more control and you can make exactly size you need aposed to trying to blast a tiny piece off the side of a log not knowing what size your gonna get

[@outerlimitless]

Yeah, I agree...very important for small kindling, for sure. Plus the knife is key for feathers and shavings.

[@aaronbenns9051]

true i love knives but dont think id want to pound any of mine through an eight inch log straight through the middle unless maybe it ment not freezining to death or something

[@Dwanejt]

Nice review and comparison !

[@outerlimitless]

Rabid Squirrel! My college nickname was Squirrel...it's been a while since I've heard that name...haha! Thanks for watching!

[@web1187]

It's not a flat head screwdriver it's actually for prying so you're not breaking your tip off your knife trying to pry with it

[@outerlimitless]

Awfully short for prying I guess...not sure what I would personally use that for, but even at that, I don't own a Tahoma any more anyway. Thanks for watching!

[@bawidamann939]

Nice patina on that bk9, wow.

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks...I love that look...it starts with a nice mustard patina, but over time and hard use it rubs away leaving almost a reverse patina so to speak. Works very well to protect the blade as well...thanks for watching!

[@straycat1674]

The Tahoma can also come without a sharpened upper edge from what I understand…

[@PREPFORIT]

Sufficient survival sent me.-new subscriber.

[@WhyTryGael]

GREAT REVIEW !!!!

[@jassenswisher]

They are both 1095. It's a apples to apples review. The TFK just has more "sex appeal" and that doesn't equate to a superior knife. Keep on keepin' on bro. Love the channel

[@hettro-cv6082]

great review!

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks...a couple of great blades. Knives in this size class are fun! What's your favorite?

[@00threat00]

Great video!

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks...lots more to come!!

[@ActionHero29]

I'm sooo happy Mr Becker hates choils too. BK9 is a better knife without it. Very well done presentation.

[@stephenbeard9882]

Sharpblade I always liked a forward choil. then I started using the bk-9. it doesn't need one at all. you don't need it with a well designed knife.

[@ActionHero29]

Stephen Beard Exactly. I've come to that realization after having a GSO 5.1.

[@Erik-sq8nz]

where do ppl keep on getting those dark handles?

[@outerlimitless]

I'm not too sure. mine vane with the scales when I bought it. they are a brownish color. I see tan for sale on ebay all the time, but never seen the brown.

[@outerlimitless]

mine "came" with the scales

[@Erik-sq8nz]

ok thanks man

[@RollsRoyce1954]

Becker kickstarted his ass. Half of the money.

[@outerlimitless]

It's an interesting debate for sure. I prefer the Becker, but it's hard to beat the fit and finish of Tops. I just don't need the gizmos on the Tops and the handle is what kills it for me.

[@hill_skills]

I knew you were going to say the BK9 was better in the minute of this video.

[@outerlimitless]

It's still better in my opinion.

[@vladledesma3765]

51/60 Damascus Steel 1/4 thick blade

[@ruataralte5959]

How is the wood so soft.

[@outerlimitless]

I had a mix of hard wood and poplar. Poplar is one of the least dense hard woods...and it can get spongy at times...that was probably poplar.

[@sinkswim5158]

Nice review ! Maybe you can help me :) i use esee knives and looking for the junglas 2 or the tahoma what do you think ?

[@outerlimitless]

Personally I'm not a big fan of the Tahoma Field knife... bought it twice thinking I'd like it, but not for me. If you like ESEE, the Junglas 2 would be sweet. What's your intended use? Just curious what your thoughts on how you'll use it the most?

[@sinkswim5158]

@@outerlimitless want to use it as an one tool option. I love esee but im not sure about the junglas 2 because its shorter 😄🙈 dont get me wrong but i can get more knife for the same price when i take the junglas 1

[@sinkswim5158]

@@outerlimitless #batoning, chopping

[@outerlimitless]

@@sinkswim5158 Gotcha... if mainly batoning and chopping, larger knives are obviously heavier... would you be on short trips or carrying long distances? The ESEE has a much better sheath regardless. I just wish it had a finger choil.

[@sinkswim5158]

@@outerlimitless every trip here is one way 15 kilometers and i stay for 2days and nights in our woods :) i always want to carry my izula 2 for the fine works and foot. I think the junglas 1 would be the heavuer and better option for me cause i dont carry an axe with me

[@ironfae]

I really hope you’ve learned more about proper knife terminology, performance, and details since this video. It’s clearly an amateur perspective.

[@outerlimitless]

No, i have not learned any more...sorry!

[@ironfae]

outer limitless My apologies. I don’t mean to sound insulting. I too am a knife enthusiast and own both of those knives. While I appreciate your video, I’d hate for other people NOT to take you seriously. In the future, it might help to do a little more research on your subject if you want to provide viewers with a good video. Hope that helps.

[@outerlimitless]

No insult taken...I have been at this a long time at this point...just shy of 5 years. People drop comments all the time after watching one video...in this case one of my earliest videos...I have almost 650 videos at this point. It takes a lot of practice to produce a video that is complete...and comes across comprehensive, or even flows well, or even has accurate information sometimes. People who watch my channel know how much goes into it and how much I do know about...across very many topics, not just knives. I have dealt with every type of viewer...every type of comment. I don't take offense to anything at all to be honest...I just do what I do for myself and those who like it great...and for those who don't, whatever. I'm not perfect...I just have fun. Thanks for watching!

[@ironfae]

outer limitless Ok then. Suit yourself. I WAS trying to help, but never mind. Enjoy your little audience. You could have more, but who cares about that right? 8K subscribers- “OOOH look, knives!” 1M subscribers- “This guy really knows his shit!” See the difference?

[@cliftonlittlepage1316]

BK9 is great but you used the TFK improperly a few times

[@outerlimitless]

I don't understand improperly? Please explain.

[@cliftonlittlepage1316]

@@outerlimitless I'm super surprised you replied! But yeah, if you baton with the Tfk starting with the front of the knife rather than in the middle and strike the spine of the knife on the "middle back" you avoid hitting the sharpened swedge this eating up your baton. Does that make sense? And the finer details part it's more designed to do that work closer to the finger groove rather than in the middle of the knife. That's all from Andy Tran. I'm not being rude brother I mean well! You've got solid content and I respect it a lot! Keep it up!

[@codyjohnston8074]

I love my BK9

[@outerlimitless]

One of the all-time greats! I think everyone needs a BK9!

[@midnightmyers3873]

My bk9 is fucking awesome.

[@outerlimitless]

Yes!! I will always have one no matter what. Everyone should have a BK9 no matter what!

[@2CabrasLocas]

The Tops knife will get you jail time in Michigan because it qualifies as a double edged weapon.

[@205jab4]

You can get it with un sharpened swedge.

[@arctodussimus6198]

Why would anyone want to live there?

[@shayjenkins7294]

So BK9 it is...ty

[@pvp66]

The Becker is an inferior quality steel. The DBK channel shows them testing it, and it cracked. Tops heat treatment is miles ahead in quality

[@outerlimitless]

Any knife can break...I have had great luck with both brands...never a broken blade in either case. Yes, TOPS differential heat treat is excellent, but it's a pro and a con for those who like a sharpened spine.

[@loyalegroup3929]

@@outerlimitless Agree...not to mention that DBK was batoning with a claw hammer. I really enjoy their vids. But, unless you're banging a 3V blade, probably not the best idea.

[@gud2go50]

Tahoma all the way.

[@outerlimitless]

On paper, the Tahoma looks to be the clear winner. I just can't get into the handle...Tops often does that to me!

[@jmas2190]

Bk9 is a great knife for and even better price.The bk9 is a beast in every way enough said.

[@outerlimitless]

BK9 is a beast!!

[@highlander200268]

gotta think tough bk9 is a fighting knife, tahoma is not, they are 2 separate fields

[@outerlimitless]

Yes, I kind of agree...they're in a similar blade length class. Different intended purpose, but similar characteristics in terms of the blade steel and overall shape. Obviously different handles, but when you compare the blade, they're not that far off...similar length, both have a ramp...actually some similarities in the grind. Thought it would be a fun comparison...

[@highlander200268]

yah only so much you can do with a knife design,i have both of them, for wilderness i think i would want to the tahoma to be honest

[@outerlimitless]

I can't blame you one bit...it's an obviously amazing blade. I love Tops quality...one of the best. If the handle fit my hands better, I'd feel better about it...just isn't comfortable for me unfortunately!

[@highlander200268]

me too i have tons of tops, about 400 knives total, I have both tops and kabar, kabar with that grivory handle just isnt ideal for the woods for me if it gets wet or any mud on it, forget it

[@paulie4x1]

Say Heah, For the & 64,000.00 question, If you were stranded and could only pick one knife, which of the two would be a answer to your wish.

[@outerlimitless]

mostly because I've used the BK9 more and I know the feel better I would say that, but I do think the tahoma would be super tough and a work horse

[@paulie4x1]

Agreed, But say what you want, I like the CroVan's edge retention a tich better even if everybody says there's no difference, But there is.

[@jhonrutger3508]

minus the handle I feel the knives are just too similar.

[@youareanatural]

You can get it without the sharpened swedge.

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks! Yes, after shooting this video, I did get my hands on one...still didn't like it any better, but it was good to get it in my hands to check it out. Thanks for watching!

[@youareanatural]

Mine is sharpened but i live in califorina and that design feature is in some peoples minds to dangerous. I usually just remove the unwanted sharpened area. It is broad albeit a short dirk or dagger.

[@nicklin3100]

👍

[@hossman8499]

I mean a blade is cool and all, but i literally do ALL of this and more with my trail axe.

[@outerlimitless]

Yes, I have been getting more confident with my axes and hatchets. Both great tools for sure!

[@ronbonick4265]

A butter knife will batton wood - what the big deal?

[@outerlimitless]

Who said it's a big deal

[@nimoahram8768]

Bk9

[@passivesolar6194]

BK all the way.

[@outerlimitless]

Solid choice!

[@paulie4x1]

Say Heah OL, The Tahoma really helped me out alot. The handle on the Tahoma is similar to one of my Fav. knives, My Famous Ratweiler since it's so similar, I started using it like everything you can do with the Tahoma, Yeah a One Tool Option and with great results. I could of got mine in the 3/16"yh thick, But since I will chop with it, weight helps so I got mine at a 1/4" thick and no regrets, The Ratweiler is a hard to get knife, So for those that can't get a Ratweiler, The Tahoma might be their answer. I'm just so happy I got me a Ratweiler, I teamed mine with a Rodent Solution right away for a great matching set. But I really use my Ratweiler as a One Tool Option.

[@philpowell9111]

ITS HIT AND MISS WITH TOPS KNIVES !

[@outerlimitless]

I 1000% agree.

[@paulskystoneadventures]

👍👍🌟🌟👍👍

[@outerlimitless]

Thanks for watching!

[@jamesaritchie2]

I'd rather have plain, everyday Ka-Bar than either of these by a factor of ten.

[@sonfoku73]

really?

[@fathersonsurvival]

kabar bk62!

[@coperlaze]

A little “SUS” that we couldn’t find out how high or hard you were swinging the blades. Possibly a little prejudice against the Tahoma.🤔

[@outerlimitless]

I am not prejudice against it at all. Ergos and performance are HUGE factors. Ergos can make or break a knife for me. I DO NOT like that Tahoma handle at all. Not AT ALL. That's not prejudice...it's fact. What do you mean how high or how hard I was swinging? Because of the camera angle? I swing blades how I swing blades...based on the weight of the knife and what my objectives are. I don't change my attack from one to the next unless weight or length impacts my ability to swing it. I guess I don't understand your point.

[@lokidemeccful]

try using a ferro rod with it

[@outerlimitless]

Try a ferro rod with which? The Tahoma?

[@lokidemeccful]

outer limitless how long would it take to compare both? The tahoma sucks at it.

[@outerlimitless]

Gotcha. Yeah, I guess I never really tried with the Tahoma...but the BK9 isn't great at it either. If the spine was sharpened it would probably do ok...and I have since added a choil to mine, which would work.

[@lokidemeccful]

outer limitless thank you. I just don't like the phrase "One tool option" since just about anything you would need can be manufactured, given a person has the knowledge and time. How many would prefer using a ferro rod over the bow drill for most conditions?

[@KingTesticus]

I used my dremel to prepare a section of the spine near the handle for use with a ferro-rod. the only thing the TFK sucks at is carrying the user away from their preconceived notions of ordinary blade design if that person is unwilling or un-knowing of what actually went into the crafting of the TFK. yes, the BK-9 is great, but I love the TahomaFieldKnife..