I Wouldn't Have Guessed It, But The Mercedes EQS SUV Rocks!

[@tonireedagency5006]

Father and Son on the next level...You Guys are awesome!!! Thank you for sharing the experience...Stay Blessed🙏

[@kevinlloyd1088]

Dave. Walk away. You want to buy this car and trade in your new Tesla. Too late. He did it again.

[@doomsday9973]

Prediction: he will have one within 3 months

[@Annette_Hons]

My guess he gets rid of the Lucid and gets the EQS580 SUV for himself! Kathy will love it and she will get rid of her new Model Y and get the EQE

[@doomsday9973]

@@Annette_Hons not impossible lol

[@bitcoinman9202]

They need to keep trading in for content..

[@aayotechnology]

@@Annette_HonsDave wouldn’t get the EQS because there’s no tax credit.

[@adamaufdencamp5080]

Have you turned on the beta chatGPT option for “hey Mercedes”? I’ve found the feature much more useful since turning this on. Much of this car seems just like my EQE SUV. Creep mode off and strong regen is cool. But I’ve found it more effort to press the gas and modulate a low speed than to learn to anticipate creep taking over when regen slowing tails off. It’s becoming second nature for me to lift off the accelerator, let regen modulate my speed and then let it slow the car until I finally brake when creep comes in. Oddly, this combo has made driving an electric vehicle engaging in a way I’d thought ended when I last drove a manual transmission. I love steaming into an exit ramp and regen slowing the car the way a downshift used to work. The more I drive it the more I love it. The hurdle is the sheer number of feature to learn. I drove for several weeks using cruise control before realizing that the car would automatically change lanes. There are simply too many features for a dealer salesperson to cover. You hate the way the speed is automatically adjusted, dig in the options and turn it off. You hate how far you are behind the car in front of you in busy city drive, there’s a feature to adjust that. You hate the way it resonates over pavement bounces, change the drive mode to sport. Tesla has intrigued me for years, but the build quality and interior aesthetic never worked for me. Then the big boss at Tesla started saying in public what he learned to say in his junior high locker room and I knew I’d never own a Tesla. I’m so happy I waited for an electric vehicle made by adults with decades of car development experience.

[@binflydushy]

there is chatgpt in the EQS/ EQE?? that’s not even available on carplay man i need it

[@MarioDallaRiva]

I could see Out of Spec Bailey in this car 🐶

[@psnbrry]

You guys are hilarious. Love the interaction between the two of you.

[@blubaru09]

Already seeing that thought bubble Dave! “Sell the Lucid and…”. This is a great format with you and Kyle.

[@ArnoldWinters]

Sell the Lucid Dave. The company sucks vs. Mercedes. Get an EQ, which is right up your alley. Get the tax credit and since you got the Lucid $50K below market, you will take some cash back on the trade!

[@nevco8774]

​​​​@@ArnoldWintersAt this point even Lucid is going to switch to NACS if it is going to survive as a company. There are several months to get that adapter for NACS for Mercedes anyway. The Mercedes acceleration is very sluggish vs Lucid. Granted Mercedes is a practical SUV vs Lucid which is a sedan. That might prove to be a very big mistake to start producing just sedans in today world of SUVs for Lucid. Hopefully they will still be in business by the time Lucid SUV will be on sale. Obviously Dave is right: it is wise to buy a very loaded pre-owned Mercedes when price drops vs a Lucid which who knows might be an orphan brand by that time.

[@penneya3911]

I see a ton of those in SoCal. More teslas than anything but it seems like the people who want a luxury ev really go for the eqs.

[@CookandBakewithSamer]

Great to see father and son working together. Thank for this review.

[@sezratd]

Love the back and forth

[@fineartz99]

Father/Son supreme conversational/exchange.

[@gulfconsulting7257]

I arrived late at work today because I could not stop watching this video. I guess it helps that I am also ageing so this type of conversation speaks to me

[@RJ-nk9wb]

Well done Dave & Kyle. I always enjoy all O.o.S vids🎥

[@nas4apps]

Totally loved this! Had an E with the self driving and later a C class station, but no EV and certainly no S class. But this! Agree with Kyle's dad, Dave, the wide screen is a must have (in a 100K verhicle) and those side steps cause mud on luxury clothing in winter. Our E, then, also cost a while, the MB service agent took an hour and a half to go over all the features and even drive a little bit: it was a candy store! And the leather seats, the nav - and this one is just so much better with all of these features. MB just always surprises. Of course, spending x dollars is not enough is always possible with Mercedes. But what is left is just so good. I could totally imagine with your driving so loved the way you did this KZbin. Felt it. Great! And yeah, we may pick one up in a number of years ..... ;) But heck, who knows! Thanks Kyle, Dave!

[@kathyconner1712]

Always happy to listen to the banter between my 2 favorite boys! ❤

[@ampedampson5140]

We need more Dave reviews! Loved this video

[@Das-Radio]

Fantastic Car

[@pennyharris446]

Luv this vehicle. Wish Tesla would include an electric sunshade option.

[@ascendantP]

Looks like it's time for Dave to buy the EQS as well as the Taycan!

[@cjonesplay1]

Beautiful SUV. Great Video Dave. Keep up the Great Work.

[@dandaigle4546]

I thought Dave would fall in love with this Mercedes, but the Lucid has more room width wise and I like that to. Never been in a Lucid, but I bet it rides/drive like a dream. Thanks for the information. Drive safely.

[@Mrbfgray]

Running heat and AC simultaneously is best for window defogging, AC is not just cool air it's "conditioned", has moister control, typically reduces humidity. Do that quite a lot in the winter.

[@mikedsjr]

I love watching your pepisodes!

[@marstav4640]

Finally, was waiting for your mature feedback.

[@johnross6314]

☝🏻too bad most the content was not mature Dave… son stuck his nose as lead into this video was too often. If I want to hear the bearded opinion maker, will go to his channel.

[@parkershaw8529]

I just saw an LED illuminated Merc star on road, the funny thing is, some LEDs has crapped out and the star has two arrows.

[@afr1952]

Hyperscreen is a MUST HAVE!!! Thanks for the review.

[@bradg7373]

Dave, best spots to see every new EV on the US market is Westport. Whole Foods parking lot Westport that is. LOL

[@adgdashaef]

I am following both of you on youtube but had no idea you were related. Great duo, really enjoyed the entire video, thank you.

[@Megafaceroller]

Sally, the voice assistant. Must-have feature!

[@MoeSzyslak0815]

Very cool, guys. Finally the Mercedes arrived at the market. Late, hopefully not to late.

[@581rma]

Excellent vehicle. Also is it safe to say Dave Conner has never purchased a set of replacement tires ?

[@radioboss5911]

i have 580 eqs sedan a year now i have seen all the reviews kyle and others have done ,,just finished 1,300 mile trip ,long island to vermont , vermont to montreal, ,montreal to mont tremblant , to saratoga , to long island ,,every mile the value of the car was while i was inside the car driving ,not standing outside looking at the car looking in ,,,great range i wouldn't give up range for any other model like the suv ,, fantastic get up and go in 580 ,, great seat kinetics , great suspension , great , great great rear wheel turning so fantastic in tight hotel underground parking garages ,, brake pedal has never been an issue at all ,what the car needs ,, button to raise suspension , not just snow chain mode,, button to lower 2nd row ,, hot cold button for coffee cup holder ,,and i would love a center console you don't need to have passenger remove arm to open ,, hyper sreen is great, and when you price out the 450 to 580 its a no brainer for the 580 with what you would add to a 450 that's standard on 580 ,,massage could be stronger like on the ice models ,,but the new modes are great deep workout vibration on the seat really helped me on my last trip as i did have small strain in left thigh and that just was great ,,never had to stop at a commercial charger ,every charge was free and at night in hotels ,,range ,,range range

[@doomsday9973]

They are fire selling the EQS sedan because they are not selling. Some on leasehakr have gotten them for like 475 a month!

[@radioboss5911]

@@doomsday9973 you better hurry and get yours

[@doomsday9973]

@@radioboss5911 meh I’ll probably go for an iX I’m more of a BMW guy. Those are on fire sale too

[@seymorefact4333]

🚒🔥🚙🔥🚒 EQE catches on fire in your garage and on cargo ships!

[@MYJ61]

Please stop judging ALL other EV’s against Tesla. I personally don’t feel that Tesla is the benchmark that everyone else is measured by. Especially in regards to build issues as demonstrated by OOS Productions. Imho the only reason to buy a Tesla over other brands is the charging network. I DONT want my car to do everything for me or what IT thinks I want. I want to be in charge. Don’t think for me. Yes, I know I’m old and possibly in the minority. I do enjoy watching you and Kyle banter between each other.

[@cbnchbak.6258]

Kathy just sold the Y and buying EQS.

[@WaldenTimes]

You guys are too funny. Keep it up!

[@m3tek44]

I really enjoy Kyle and Dave doing full review. Can you guys do this again on 2024 Q8? And IX? (i know you've done road test in Napa Valley & long roadtrip)🙂

[@TalismanPHX]

Loved this video. Beautiful color combination on the Benz. Interesting to see the interaction between the two of you. Made me really miss road trips with my late father. Enjoy the time😊

[@wydryfly]

I think the Model x, while not as refined interior wise, has the edge on this as a whole package.

[@samueld6511]

MX is worse in every aspect (build quality exterior interior, ride, sound isolation etc etc.) EXCEPT charging network + efficiency + softwere.

[@tonyn3227]

Except, charging, efficiency, software, performance, and looks, basically x is a better car period , fuk this ugly overpriced Mercedes

[@bitcoinman9202]

@@samueld6511 I like the interior and look of the model X WAY more, this thing looks like an ICE car. I sat in one and it has all these weird gross colors and nick nacks.....Also the x plaid is WAY faster? My next car will be the model x plaid. I agree on the noise and suspension though. Personally a tighter suspension doesn't bother me(I almost prefer it) however they really need to make it softer for the mainstream luxury buyer.

[@Anthony__420]

Charging network is the most important thing period

[@samueld6511]

@@Anthony__420 Agreed but it won’t really be an issue much longer for brands such as MB that are switching to NCS.

[@SkyMogul]

Hyperscreen on EQE/EQE SUV in the US is only available on the AMG models currently. Mercedes is releasing a new "Superscreen" that has the stand out driver cluster with the other screens integrated into the dash like the Hyperscreen. Very hard to get a Hyperscreen on the EQS 450+ (and economically bad), best to get a 580 if you want the Hyperscreen.

[@BigDsrq]

“…go look at puppies…” 🐶🐶🐶

[@danlerner6928]

I brought my gas powered S class in for service. The dealership has so many unsold EV’s piling up that these cars are now used as loaners. I think if they had gone the hybrid route with this model, it could’ve been a winner.

[@juanmacias4854]

This is the entry EQS, you should take a look at the EQS SUV 580, that one is awesome, specifically with the 3 monitor dash. Excellent car, better styling and luxury than any other EV that I've seen and I went through all before I purchased one. Plus you get 2 years of free charging from Mercedes at Electrified America!

[@Mabeylater293]

I’m with your dad in this one. GET THE HYPER SCREEN!!!!! And the start button is stupid.

[@fleecystheking]

I don’t think Kyle or Dave should recommend ANY EV based on future NACS support. This is untested, we don’t know how well it’ll work at all. At the very least, a MagicDock charge test should be mandatory before you guys make any recommendation. Just my 2 cents.

[@RJ-nk9wb]

Mercedes models are so confusing but Kyle seems to know.😅

[@Traderchrist1na]

Do you know when the are releasing the 2024 EQS SUV? I’m wondering if I should wait

[@HB-bc5it]

I love this video! As an owner of two EQSs (EQSi?), a 450 sedan and a 450+ SUV, most everything in this video is spot on. In fact, I commented on the Taycan video that the EQS would be the perfect car for Dave. A couple of small points to add: First, Kyle commented that “there is no reason to go for the sedan over the SUV.” Having driven both for thousands of miles, my perspective is different. The sedan is faster, much more nimble, exhibits far less body roll, and has better range. Of course, the SUV is roomier and has a higher seating position, so reasonable minds can differ on the better package overall. Second, I have to disagree with Kyle’s view that the on-board navigation is excellent. In my experience, it’s downright unusable. It literally navigates to the wrong locations, fails to recognize basic voice prompts (constantly assumes you’re looking for locations thousands of miles away), and it cannot even find certain Electrify America locations. For example, try telling the car to navigate to the Electrify America station in Baker - it will display a bunch of ChargePoint locations but not the requested EA station. I never use the in-car navigation unless I’m trying to precondition the battery. Third, I agree with the comment that the RWD SUV isn’t the fastest but (i) it’s faster in sport mode and (ii) try out the sedan and the 4Matic versions before jumping to the AMG or the EQE, as they are noticeably faster (and the 4Matic can be further upgraded with an OTA update/subscription). Fourth, there are many non-standard options that are not obvious. For example, I did a ton of research before buying and still did not realize that not all of the HUD optioned units come with the augmented reality HUD. The fragrance/perfume with the HVAC is another option. The ability to choose those sound profiles that you demonstrated in the video is an option (one of my cars has it, the other doesn’t), and so on and so forth. Also, these can be bought for very cheap on the secondary market. Do not pay full price or anything close to it. You can get a 120k unit with 5k miles for 80k-85k or so. As a final note, you’re welcome to try out either of my cars if you’re serious about purchasing one and are interested in living with one for a couple of days.

[@HB-bc5it]

Oh, one other thing. The audio quality is significantly better via the built-in “Online Music” app vs streaming via CarPlay. Dolby Atmos in Apple Music, for example, is only enabled with the Online Music app. Which is a downright shame because the Online Music app is very glitchy, requires an internet subscription, and does not easily switch back and forth between it and CarPlay (if you’re relying on CarPlay for navigation).

[@akhillz]

you always had good rapport with your son? i wish my father and i were able to communicate like you do

[@godofdun]

I don't mind the EQ looks, really nice cars.

[@JohnLee-tb4xt]

how do you keep the car idling? what about the third row? is it easy to put up? how long does it take? is there a way to override the home charging schedule to charge on demand? or do i need to turn off the schedule?

[@meteormanmeteorman]

subscribed! favourite new (for me) channel

[@NicoSchurr]

Actually I think if you press the left home button on the steering wheel and swipe all the way right to service you can see battery and motor temperature

[@abs2528]

Kyle, could you please compare iX and EQE/EQS ?

[@Antoinemalone]

Nice vehicle. I wanted the EQE but no hyperscreen, I ended up getting the Ariya and love it. Was charging last week and next to me one of these pulled up with a good looking woman and she was having trouble getting the charge started so I helped her and got the number lol. We both checked out each other's cars and she loved the Ariya. (I get compliments all the time)

[@flemmingubbesen917]

The EQE 500 and AMGs can be optioned with the hyperscreen

[@Carfan678]

@@flemmingubbesen917 not in the US market over seas yeah

[@flemmingubbesen917]

@Carfan678 Hm, interesting. Is this a new development? I've previously been assured by an MB dealership in Long Island that it would be possible. Granted, that was a while ago.

[@Antoinemalone]

@flemmingubbesen917 heard that since preorders. Due to chip shortage they only offer it on the EQE, might only be the AMG line not sure but EQE definitely doesn't have it. They said possibly next year so who knows

[@Carfan678]

@@flemmingubbesen917 on MBUSA website u can’t option the hyperscreen on the EQE sedan and suv. Only on the EQS and even then it has to be the 580 or amg model

[@pauljuntunen3451]

I haven’t seen the hyper-screen option in any US configuration for EQE (sedan or SUV).

[@thatspectacle4377]

I agree Start/Stop buttons aren’t necessary for EVs. But I don’t mind a button. It’s not that inconvenient to press it. It’s an easy feel transition from traditional to the high tech world of EVs

[@Wasabi9111]

Ultimate relaxation/isolation cruiser… Which would you choose, EQS SUV, lucid, q8 etron, or Lyriq.

[@gregorysims3697]

Does it call an ambulance after you try messing with all the buttons, screens and menus while driving?

[@felixklusener5530]

13:30 That would be a good option for Europe too since we get more and more options with more than 500 A in Europe as well. Just think about Zusmarshausen where you can get up to 1000 A and the Superchargers already open to the public in many European countries.

[@ShajiKurian]

I am warning you all. Please do not buy this car based on its outside beauty. They do not have spare parts in stock for this vehicle. If something bad like an electrical part is not working or some minor accident happens, you may keep your vehicle for months in workshops. My vehicle has been sitting in a workshop for the past 60 days since they do not have a spare part, and the funny thing is they do not have an ETA for that. I have knocked on all the doors and even wrote a letter to the CEO MB. They do not have customer sympathy; eventually, we will waste our hard-earned money. German company does not care about Americans. I suggest buying a TESLA even though they have issues with the car is better. They are customer friendly modern company.

[@KDR816]

No replacement car? All new cars are stuck in services for parts

[@Revisitclips]

God bless you two

[@ArnoldWinters]

No supercharger network is the main problem, like the Lucid. Do they want the NACS?

[@Knnnkncht]

Yes, just Watch the Video

[@LordStevie]

Sounds like the Lucid will be history soon, and this makes more sense for you than the Taycan. Without the 800v architecture it will charge better on Superchargers.

[@t6553gw]

Dave must be a managing director at either a private equity firm or investment bank

[@doomsday9973]

He is

[@TheLetsboogiedown]

Dave trying to sell us on the back seat leg room

[@sirgardensalot]

Dave you can't change Kathy's car You're under contract 😂

[@Anthony__420]

Kyle completely Ambushed his dads video..lol

[@Anthony__420]

My cousin works for Mercedes and says the electric models Are always in for Service issues

[@doomsday9973]

Yep lots of problems with them

[@curtm]

@outofspecdave1554 - Maybe my brother from another mother? In a Tesla today and looking to trade out of it in a year or so. Both the EQ and Taycan are on the list. Pretty sure I won't be able to sell the wife on Taycan. Looking forward to seeing if you pick up either one and a video or two as you learn about it.

[@PDLM1221]

The thinking I think is if you take an ICE engine out there should be a empty space to put a trunk , no? Why no frunk, should be bare space but no many cars have Electrical stuff there where the Tesla has a little storage , why is everything in the former engine space , then a door to put window fluid, really what a waste of $$ to do that.

[@KDR816]

What's the point of having a frunk? I use my trunk, i don't want to touch the dirty hood. Why does Tesla have so much space under the front if it's a ground up EV? Is it a design flaw? Why no cars have e.g. side trunks (srunks?) 😅 I can buy an aftermarket trunk to my i4, but why

[@trinitonv8]

Isnt the hyperscreen a $15 000 option?

[@captainron7904]

Awesome car but a $107k no thanks I can buy 2 Model Y’s

[@williamwest1974]

It should rock for $100k+

[@itsROMPERS...]

A door handle that takes two motions to use is a huge fail. What about just walking up to your car, grabbing the handle and opening it? This is, and the Tesla handles, are a big step backwards in usability.

[@Padie600]

Family n friends commenting 😅😅😅😅

[@MrRaitzi]

This gives hope on EVs. Just too expensive for typical 7 seat SUV buyer with $50k to spend. Maybe some day.

[@badkid73]

Definitely the most REFINED and luxurious ride among EV’s. And can be bought at crazy prices used. 2023 Certified Preowned with fewer than 20K miles sells for 50% of the SRP.

[@peterricker4177]

Bling=Tacky 😊

[@ABrider-f1c]

It’s more of an “out of specs featuring Dave” lol

[@sdhute]

I remember when a SUV was like a real utility vehicle. Now days they are just all 4 door mini vans

[@radioboss5911]

and dave to are welcome to come to long island and compare my 580 to my lyriq

[@letric7927]

You skipped over the EQC when talking about the merc bevs

[@Knnnkncht]

And EQV

[@njdevilshockey]

IMO, the washer fluid input was okay to put there. it makes it wasier to fill instead of having to go under the steering wheell and pull on a latch and open a big hood just to insert fluid.

[@pytube777]

Contender? You can buy 2 model Ys for one of these.

[@KDR816]

Why would even compare? One can buy 10 mitsubishi lancers, why compare cheap cars to expensive cars by price? 😊 Of course cheap cars are cheaper

[@nevco8774]

Witnessing ageistic jokes of Kyle I wonder how old is Dave: since I am in the 50ties Dave looks not old at all to me. He might be the same age with his wife Kathy who was born very late in the life of her father who is 98 years old now according to another video on this channel.

[@mco4972]

The SUV is the sedan higher up from the ground. same design....

[@windowman9665]

Price wise… bang for your buck. This thing is way over priced. In Canada, these START at $165,000. That’s insane! My polestar 3 performance is fully loaded except for leather / LiDAR, and it was $107k+tax. Polestar is coming for Mercedes, Audi, bmw, and they should be worried

[@jmel1746]

The Hyperscreen is a hyper-mess. Lots of us car guys disdain the seemingly never-ending trend of black shiney plastic surfaces, yet the Hyperscreen is 53 inches of fingerprint and dust magnet glass plastered over literally every square inch of dashboard real estate. Nothing speaks premium like smudge fingerpints and loads of highly visible dust all over the dash and console. If your "car man" or butler wipes down your EQ after each use, then knock yourself out. Most people want to drive, commute and enjoy their cars without wiping down the interior with a damp microfiber for 30 minutes so that it doesn't look like trash when driving on a sunny day with your clients, loved ones or friends.

[@ja163361]

Great video but ill stick with my Tesla Model S. Love the look of the tesla. That mercedes looks like any other suv outside..Just my opinion

[@colinmorand129]

Look at it, it looks about as tasteful as a bowl of porridge

[@jmp622]

Too much $$. No more 100k cars for me. Tesla Y perf does what you need. Don’t need fancy gadgets more than Tesla Y. 👍🏻

[@johnross6314]

Quiet please.. This is Dave’s channel, not yours.. Baubles, bling, useless shiny objects for A.D.D entertainment. Perfect next vehicle to trade for? Predictions anyone?

[@larrydix9974]

Dave, I have a question. Why does Kyle always talk about extreme high in electric vehicles? That majority of people cannot afford is Kyle speaking for the upper middle class individuals.

[@Padie600]

Kyle is fkn rude to interrupt. Only a pet is allowed to interrupt ., TFL had some issues with its crew and it's sorted now. Tomy 👍..,Dave... Do Ur thing

[@johnpoldo8817]

Cars are a lot like women, one man thinks she is beautiful and another says not so much. I like the EQS 580 sedan after returning a Lucid. Dave, drive mine in Naples in August. I really wanted the EQE last January, but it wasn’t available. You must have the hyperscreen and dual motors for acceleration. Ambient lighting has 4 zones, each selectable for color / brilliance, and it looks awesome at night with hyperscreen. While not the acceleration of my model S, the EQS massage seats, quiet driving, Apple Car Play, 3-level fragrance dispenser, lane changing adaptive cruise control, and rear wheel steering are welcome trade offs. Range for me is much better than EPA for combined city & highway driving. It appears to use your previous miles per KWh to estimate range during charging and one time I got 459 mi at 100%. However, I HATE missing frunk, stupid start/stop button, no walk away lock, and not enough settings in profiles. Also, I’m disappointed AC charging is limited to 9.6kW (40 vs 48A) and DC fast charging at only 200 kW for a big battery. The 450+ models are not selling well so dealers appear to discount them. Also, many previously owned 450+ are available at low prices.

[@KDR816]

Hm strange there's no lock on leave, BMW has it (comfort access option)

[@Yanquetino]

Kim and PJ really liked the luxury features of the EQS SUV, especially its more flexible ADA system: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGWTaWljpcaEgtU

[@rickbrown1486]

Why would anyone want to spend $100K+ for a car that relies on crappy, sub-standard Electrify America charging stations on a road trip?

[@balajiarun]

Weird brake pedals, no shades on the back seat, no soft close. I don't understand why this car is any better than a Q8 e-tron. Is it just pure range and a "promised" future Tesla connector?

[@utubeironchef]

Get HyperX!

[@amaysaia]

Dave, don’t do it. Today (July 26th) the major manufacturers are with Tesla and tomorrow they might not be. GM and a lot of the other car makers are starting a joint effort for a new standard. The question is why are they creating this if they signed a deal to go NACS? That sounds like they don’t like the deal. To me, I will hang onto my Tesla. I don’t trust the other major manufacturers. GM had the EV market but they killed it themselves. Tesla’s network is accepted now and they have established it with growth in mind. This new joint venture will take at least another 2 years to get even started and their growth plan is weak and so far behind Tesla’s plan. Your wife is smart. Stick with Tesla due to their reliability. We do not know what this new joint venture will do to make it reliable.

[@graham2890]

Are you referring to the charging network Mercedes and 6 other manufacturers are partnering to ramp up? I haven't heard that any new standards are in development.

[@amaysaia]

@@graham2890 Yes. They may use CCS, but I also think they will move to a different or new standard. I find it interesting that a few days after most of them annouce that they are going to go with NACS, that they come out with something else. Is it that they are using Tesla as a stop gap till they come up with what they want for themselves? All I know is that when a committee of people try to do something, it just bogs down. Tesla already has 30,000+ superchargers and how many years has it taken them to get there? EA has more, but think about it. They have so many problems with their chargers. So what do you do? Buy a Mercedes with CCS, now or wait till NACS is on them? What will happen to all the CCS cars value be when they come out with NACS on the car? Would you buy or lease a car with CCS if you are always going to charge it with an adapter at a Tesla Supercharger? With what they have announced is will take longer if they are going to include all the stuff they say they are going to include. Construction permits, and land lease or purchases, etc. Another way to have approached it would be to purchase existing installed systems and fix the problems, add the amenities and use the use that as their starting base. At least the time line would decrease. Who knows what will happen.

[@graham2890]

@@amaysaia The plugs aren't changing and no new standard is being developed as part of the partnership between the 7 manufacturers. Cars will remain CCS or go to NACS. Those that choose to partner with Tesla will either use an adapter if they have a CCS car or will just have an NACS port if the car is built in, or after, 2025. Tesla shouldn't be solely responsible for building chargers. If another reliable charging network is built out, more EVs can be supported. Sounds like those chargers will have CCS and NACS ports available. It isn't that they are stepping away from Tesla or creating a competing standard. I see it as them investing in the future of all EVs.