32. Love is Blind’s Johnie Maraist Tells All

[@Collei_lily]

Johnnie was bullied in front of millions of people. She did not deserve that. It was blatant cruelty.

[@Zumcho]

And then made out with the guy that bullied her.

[@vanessahobbes3072]

@Zumcho true, I could never, but to her credit the show hadn’t aired yet so I’m not sure she knew the full extent of how the bullying went down and the convos between izzy and Stacy.

[@rubiirae]

@@Zumchowhich she admitted herself that she was insecure & have other personal traumas, why you think she spent years on therapy

[@angiep2229]

I also felt like she was being bullied, and was kind of triggered by the way Izzy and Stacy both treated her.

[@angiep2229]

@@Zumcho Yup. They both said he apologized, but they also seemed to imply that neither of them could ultimately get past that, which is why it didn't work out.

[@sammyflc]

I commend Johnie for telling her side of the story. She is clearly very self-aware of her behaviour , is able to reflect back, and told her truth. It was terrible how Izzy and Stacy treated her. I love you both and how kind and respectful you are to your guests!!

[@dangirms]

I must be rude too because I didn’t think Johnnie was wrong for not listening to Stacey during the reunion. Johnnie owed her NOTHING after the way she was treated at that BBQ.

[@victoriaemerson-ds8du]

Also they were whispering so quiet Nick Lachey didn’t even hear them. Vanessa was the one who called attention to it and kinetic edited to bring attention to Chris and Johnnie.

[@joanna0988]

Wasn't it Chris that kept talking to her and taking her attention away ?

[@lauratancredi3385]

I agree 100%.

[@Ambrynxx]

This 100%. Why the actual eff is she expected to sit there and take more abuse. Id not listen to her either. Far more classy than hurling it back and causing a scene like Stacey and the show wanted.

[@kaitybethh]

"Yeah, he's a loser." Natalie is my favorite 😂

[@saravieira90]

He did get her back at the reunion.

[@evb154]

I really still can't believe Izzy got away with saying - repeatedly - he was gleeful about getting to 'rail' on Johnie, on top of other red flags.

[@infjism2718]

So thankful for this interview because I feel like Johnnie is a meek person and therefore can tend to get talked over and therefore can easily become misunderstood. Thank you guys for giving her a chance to speak on herself!

[@Tinag6451]

The lawyer

[@glaciumm]

my belief is that Izzy was mad that Johnnie moved on. it was never about Chris it was about Izzy’s own ego. edit - i LOVE the way Johnnie is pulling up all these receipts 😂

[@vanessahobbes3072]

I agree, I picked up on that when he interacted with Lydia the first time in Mexico. He almost seemed upset that she wasn’t sobbing at his presence. I think he could see that both women were happy and maybe deep down he knew he wasn’t.

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

100% Johnnie dodged a huge bullet ❤❤

[@mikoletea]

I think same thing happened with uche

[@courtneycoleman6849]

I love that johnnie showed her emotion recapping that moment with Izzy and Stacy. She was straight up ambushed/bullied by them and anyone who’s been bullied in the past knows how triggering moments like that can be. To just have to people in your face telling you nobody likes you and everyone’s talking about you. I was genuinely impressed with how she handled it on the show because honestly I probably would have gotten emotional on the spot, she held it together on camera but anyone with a heart should know how hard that moment must have been for her

[@meggokappo]

I experienced something pretty similar and I was SO proud that I managed to wait until it was over to cry because I cry at ANYTHING haha. I did completely sob uncontrollably, but not until AFTER I left the environment and then hid in a friend's dorm until I calmed down.

[@sarahmunson1778]

Johnie and Aaliyah were the only two people I actually liked this season. Both sensitive souls who seemed genuine and well-meaning. I kept thinking I'd be friends with them if I knew them, and turns out they're good friends! I hope they're both getting everything they want and deserve, and that they know their worth ❤ Side note, it's ironic that Izzy said he and Chris are easily taken advantage of, specifically referring to Johnie taking advantage of them, and it turns out they both took advantage of Johnie. I can't believe how much those two and Stacy put Johnie through, I would have been a wreck. I completely understand where she's coming from on why she gave Izzy another chance. He manipulated her and made her feel the need to prove herself to him after he'd degraded her. Like a long-term negging. So happy she got away from all those people who took their own shit out on her.

[@joanna0988]

Chris and Izzy think they're nice guys 🥴🤮

[@ednarichardson3442]

I didn’t like either one cause they was not victims...the guys was no good but they didn’t want them and it was no one fault

[@noziphokhumalo2963]

Me too❤

[@savanna116]

almost everyone on love is blind is kinda of a mess

[@jakestroll6518]

I love that Johnie and Aaliyah are so close that Aaliyah uses her guest room when she’s back from California. Good hearted people should hang together, protect each other’s hearts so they don’t become jaded and cruel like the Stacey’s of the world.

[@xTwiStedxBeautYx]

This has been my favorite episode by far. Johnie seems really down to earth and it was nice getting more context from her side of the story. It sounds like everything worked out for the best and I’m happy for her.

[@joanna0988]

Yes she's a good speaker.

[@mytwocents8992]

This is exactly how I figured all this went down, thanks for having Johnie on the pod! Great interview!

[@stephanieluminous3116]

Johnie is absolutely going to be the “villain” that ends up engaged to an amazing man. The show did her so dirty, but she seems like such a pure heart and beautiful soul ❤️

[@kaitybethh]

I appreciate Johnie so much for being so honestly human and self aware. It's refreshing to hear someone point out her flaws and still be able to love herself and fight for what she's worth. Adore her!

[@maybememory1]

I never thought Johnie was a villain in the show. It looked like Stacy and Izzy decided that she was this season’s villain, and bullied her, thinking they’d be lauded for it. Meanwhile, it just came across as mean-spirited, malicious bullying. Clearly Johnie triggered Stacy hardcore, because even at the reunion, she can’t even hear her name without making faces like a child.

[@whhoisthiss]

First time listener, had to hear Johnies story! Thanks for creating a space for people to share their side of the story!

[@jmebaby85]

Thank you, Natalie & Deepti for giving this beautiful girl the spotlight. Johnie has such amazing energy and I'm thrilled she was finally given the chance to tell her side of things. Izzy could've never matched her and just wanted to get in her head/heart. She dodged a bullet and I'm so happy that she finally found her person. ❤

[@ana_goncalves]

I totally get her, she was never a villain for me

[@plutoniumcore]

I concur. I liked her from the beginning. She's just misunderstood imo. I knew Stacy was bad from the get go as well.

[@ana_goncalves]

Stacy fooled me for a while, I thought she was just out of touch for growing up rich hahaha but then I saw her get really bitter and calling Johnie a shit person was crazy AND Izzy saying he was turned on by that was just WILD, I could barely process the amount of therapy that guy needs. And Johnie WON, I mean HAVE YOU SEEN her boyfriend? Super loving, handsome, tall and smart. Everything Stacy wished she had....?

[@GeorgiaJakes7]

Never liked Stacey. Typical mean rich girl who knows nothing about real people or problems.

[@k.raye.6914]

Johnie continues to show empathy and grace by the way she answers or handles things (like feeling bad for outing Chris as a cheater) for people who did not give her the same. She seems like the better person, and I hate that she went through all of this. I’m glad she is getting to finally tell her story.

[@Toematetoe95]

The fact that Milton of all people had to tell her Izzy isn’t good news and she still didn’t listen just shows he’s is as mature as he is on the show

[@houalailee191]

How do you go and kiss someone you called a sketchy person...That says a lot about Izzy. I commend Johnie for telling her side of the story. Izzy and Stacey treated her so terribly, the way they went about it, but at least Izzy said sorry... Still waiting on Staceys apology.

[@ibpr4170]

The way he came at her and was turned on by Stacy bullying her 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@juliac2687]

How does she go and kiss someone who first rejected you and then belittled you? Says more about her in my opinion...

[@houalailee191]

@@juliac2687 yes I thought about that too...maybe she's just really forgiving? But me personally I would have ran real fast

[@jmebaby85]

Izzy was trying to earn brownie points with Stacy and thought that dissing Johnie was the way to do it. Stacy clearly felt threatened by Johnie and tried to pass it off as "she's sketchy. She's a shit person" while actually being the shit person herself. Sad. Johnie is a true queen.

[@juliac2687]

@houalailee191 she has self-esteem issues, that was her biggest problem. She was never a true villain, but she ended up in this weird predicament because she was desperate to find a match, any match, so she was saying what she thought guys wanted to hear.

[@MoniqueBerryJohnson]

Johnie was my favorite on that season. Thanks for interviewing her.

[@l.1088]

Me too! I got a lot of sh*t for saying that on R*ddit but I really like her and can relate to her. So happy she's happy now!

[@tourmii]

She was my favorite too!

[@charlielovelove2626]

Great interview ❤... She definitely confirmed what i was thinking about Izzy... It was he's ego that could not let go of Johnie. Hes like the high school football players who wants to be liked by all the girls.. lol

[@jmebaby85]

Absolutely!!! He loved having these 2 women "fighting" over him and when he made his choice, he had no problem dragging Johnie, in a pathetic attempt to score points with Stacy. It was sad, embarrassing and painful to watch. Johnie dodged a bullet while Izzy & Stacy were embarrassments during the whole season, especially at the altar.

[@robinwilliams73]

I always thought that Izzy was so anti-Johnie because she knew about all of his financial issues that he had not yet told Stacy about. I think his was so afraid that Johnie would call him out on it that he was trying hard to preemptively trying to discredit her. He always seemed so stressed out about Stacy finding out that his finances were a mess and he was not going to be able to provid her the first class life she expected.

[@Bdaychick]

Love this interview and the growth and self awareness that Johnnie possesses ❤. I always felt that Izzy and Stacey were really projecting their own angst at not being as compatible as they thought onto Johnnie which was upsetting to watch.

[@winniejean-pierre9605]

I always liked Johnie and I’m glad she had the chance to tell her story.

[@victoriaemerson-ds8du]

Johnnie mentioned in a different interview that she and Stacy spent a lot of time one-on-one in the lounge. Johnnie was sharing a lot with Stacy without realizing Stacy was Izzy’s other connection. I would feel deceived too if I was pouring out my heart to someone going after the same guy.

[@joanna0988]

Thank you!! That was just as shady to me as Lydia and Aaliyah getting close while Lydia knew Uche was dating Aaliyah.

[@victoriaemerson-ds8du]

@@joanna0988 I wrote that then deleted it since my comment was too long. :)

[@frogfoot89]

Natalie saying "He's a loser!" about Chris! 😆 That definitely made my day! Also thank you for having Johnie on as I can't imagine why anyone isn't #TeamJohnie

[@victoriaemerson-ds8du]

Yeah, I feel like Johnnie has been really gracious to Chris in interviews… what a class act.

[@ania5038]

I never would have guessed that that was the first time she and Chris had spoken because they seemed so familiar with each other. I also commend her for saying that her first date wasn't full of chemistry because that is healthy. I remember I didn't say "I love you" to my boyfriend until months in before I could say it for certain.

[@TheWilleyCoyote]

God Johnie is such a self aware, class act queen. I love her ❤

[@jamelherrera7542]

I love how she takes accountability of what she's done, and you can tell she's just the sweetest ♥️ #TeamJohnie

[@Mailechannel]

Im so touched by this interview❤ she is so underated and noone really stood up for her during the show😢

[@ulllahayesha]

Johnie is sooo eloquent I love her sentiments she should have her own podcast! And what is she talking about I thought she was the most stunning girl on the season!!

[@victoriaemerson-ds8du]

Johnnie is gorgeous!

[@1218jannas]

The irony of man with no hair caring about blond vs brunette lolol

[@pmva95]

I found out about this Podcast on season 5 of Love is Blind and I must say... this is a MUST! I have been even thinking this Podcast compliments the show! I'm even looking forward to more seasons of Love is Blind because I love the drama and above that I loove listening to your thoughts (Natalie's & Deebti's) and interviews with the cast!!!

[@alisasifontes]

I was SO excited to listen/watch this one-best guest star! Loved hearing more of her side of the story. Johnie was my fav of the cast and got treated so unfairly, glad she’s able to own up to what she did and stand up for herself! Also, Izzy is the sketchy one!! So back and forth. I hope he’s getting help and growing.

[@57andstillkicking]

To me, Izzie was hurt thinking that he wasn’t Johnie’s only # 1. That meant that he had unresolved feelings for her.

[@jakestroll6518]

Izzie had unresolved feelings for sure but he’s abit of a sugar baby. He likes Stacey’s money and will happily be her lapdog while hoping her connections help him financially or he meets one of her rich friends. He’s a leech.

[@denisaboomtown4199]

Johnnie I would've picked you with my eyes closed! I truly felt for you, I feel like the bullying was building up towards you because Stacy is indeed a bully and I could see it in her character from the begining. You are so brave and further more than this show. Hats off to you!

[@chelluhfresh]

Thank you for sharing your story, Johnie! You were put through the ringer, but we see the real you and you will always have a huge support from everyone here! :)

[@cassidysanchez5072]

Always loved johnie since episode 1! Thank you for this, she was straight up bullied on LIB

[@BitterSweetCoffee3]

Izzy manipulated Johnnie one second calling her out and the other second trying to kiss her. I am amazed to see people still date him. What a loser!

[@fatimaguerra6615]

This totally changed my view on her! Glad you brought her on!

[@amara560]

This was such a good interview! You asked the right questions and gave space for Johnie to tell her story. Very enjoyable watch.

[@leono7380]

I don't know why this interview touched me so emotionally. When Johnnie cries, I have to cry too.

[@joannawhaley6588]

Wowowowow! I’m so glad she came and told her story. They did her dirty with the editing. Love the show btw 💪🏽

[@KatelynDawnVoiceover]

Oh yes Deepti! I second the advice of marry someone who keeps you calm. I'm very much a free spirit and can get in my head about things and I've been with my husband for 10 years now, and he is very calm and stable. So for me, marrying someone who is that calm stable rock in my life has been so important to me.

[@lmsmith015]

I so agree with Johnie's point that even if all the accusations were true, Izzy and Stacy's response was horrendous and completely out of proportion. And Stacy's arrogant and callous behavior at the reunion solidified my opinion on her. P.S. Two sponsors in one episode? Congrats, ladies!

[@skateboardmom7888]

Thanks for the great interview!!!Thoroughly enjoyed it, I really love Johnnie she was my FAVE character on season 5! My thoughts: she does not need to apologize to ANYONE. Izzy and Stacey were disrespectful and displayed bullying behaviour towards her at the bbq episode. Someone should have stuck up for her during that ridiculousness on that episode. Additionally, Johnie’s prediction about Izzy/Stacey was true, they weren’t compatible and not a good match. So no one should get their knickers in a knot.

[@WhyteWhirlwind]

JOHNIEEE!! Just starting the video now but so hyped to hear her side.

[@kalikayy]

So happy for Johnie and I can totally relate to the grief of losing friends from addiction in middle America ✋️

[@kumaruma643]

It is truly vile to feel pleasure or "turned on" after putting down a person in that kind of despicable manner. No one deserves to go through that.

[@shivangishubham1342]

Johnie was real throughout, and Stacy was the Mean girl. Izzy seemed to be trying to make Stacy happy by being bitchy..stacy and izzy deserved each.

[@trinitydivine09]

For some reason, Stacy reminds me of Kate Gosselin (yeah old show) -blonde type A personality mean girl.

[@luvintunes]

She made their interactions all about “fun” in other words sex, so Izzy fell for that bs.

[@lenanayashkova]

Natalie, I LOVE HANOI!!!! I lived there for nearly 4 years, it so freaking cool. It is often overlooked on tourist trips as people spend like 4 days in Saigon but then 3 or 4 days in Hanoi and 2.5 days out of that would be a trip to Halong bay (which is scenic, but it's got nothing on Hanoi life). Can't wait to come back there again

[@lynbattersby]

Johnie was always one of my faves. Johnie proves that there is a difference between "red flags" and "baggage ". People were so quick to judge, while I related to her baggage. FWIW, 20 years of my marriage and my husband and I still have amazing chemistry, some based our mutual baggage. Also, I feel similarly about Izzy. His religious background gives him baggage that many people will never, ever understand. You can't understand what it's like to leave the JW religion without having left the JW religion. For instance, the fact that his mother even talks to him is a huge shock to me. HUGE.

[@blessingosarumwense3043]

Thank you for interviewing her ❤

[@thejenster24]

Good on johnnie for saying addiction effects anyone no matter socioeconomic status.

[@stephaniek6705]

Stacy reminds me of a highschool meangirl. She was so jealous😂while Johnie has moved on and matured

[@cathjerabkova]

Girls, I just want to say I absolutely fell in love with your podcast! Now every week I look forward to a new episode. It's like I get to gossip with you lol. Love love love both of you! Also Johnie is a sweetie. I totally believe her. She's real. Not like someone else...

[@bluedancelilly]

Stacy is like those mean girls in middle school who whisper about other girls in the hall. Self centered based on hidden insecurity. She bullied Johnie. Calling her a shit person is far worse than what Johnie said about Stacy. Stacy's whole personality was so off putting throughout the show. And Izzy, ugh.

[@magorzatastaromiejska6770]

I didn't even need the context to know that Johnie is the person she says she is. You can clearly see this in the amount of self reflect she gives. Which you cannot see in either Stacey or Izzy.

[@crisiasantacruz6912]

interview starts at 8:55

[@thehibernatingturtle4016]

Thank you for interviewing Johnie. I'm very indifferent with my opinions on the cast until they have a chance like this to be candid and raw. I really like her. Johnie, can we be friends?

[@danniinnab]

I dated a guy once who I thought I had chemistry with because I felt butterflies, I now realize that butterflies are a gut instinct of nervousness and feeling uncomfortable, not necessarily love. Real love is a comfort that I have now and it is completely different to the butterfly feeling in your stomach, you feel safe not nervous

[@tamarabob]

Really missed Natalie in the last episode tbh! Love Iyanna, but I feel like with Natalie there is always more structure and a deeper analysis of characters and actions.

[@9whilenine]

Totally agree!

[@Bellolamb45]

Agreed💯

[@Anounceof]

SAME!!!!!

[@joykind21]

😊

[@rishonagreen1845]

That was a great interview!

[@cassieshoemaker4733]

Johnie has never been the vilian in my eyes..shes only ever been an authentic human being. Stacy is a bully and she sucks. 😅

[@dj_here]

We stand with johnie for sure

[@jclyntoledo]

Exactly! Idk how Johnnie saying they aren't compatible is equivalent to Stacey and Izzy saying "you're a shit person" and "everyone thinks you're sketchy af". Also literally no one agreed with them so who tf was "everyone"?! Even when Stacey went to the other women they said both of them had two different perspectives, no one agreed with her statements.

[@ericat5819]

Team Johnie 💯 I was so angry hearing stacy try to vindictively destroy Johnie’s reputation and character at the BBQ. That was so low. Stacy needs to go to therapy so she can take responsibility for her actions. She could learn a few things from Johnie.

[@christinaaa1311]

This just totally validated all of the impressions I had of everyone involved lol Izzy gave me bad vibes that I couldn’t explain (before it became obvious) the second Chris said “people see me as a player” I was like why do they say that? Which made me skeptical. Them harping on the fact that she said “two different things” drove me nuts because I was like.. she’s trying to process her own thoughts and feelings out loud, there’s going to be a couple theories she throws out there, and there’s going to be some level of confusion about it because it’s hard to express your own stuff as you yourself are figuring it out through this very public process… when we saw something Johnie said about Stacy and Izzy while upset I was like, yeah that’s not a great look, and I’m sure she regrets how she said those things because she was just upset, and I think if Stacy hadn’t been terrorizing her after she may have apologized but we will never know now 🤷🏻‍♀️ I knew there had to be pieces missing, because Johnie struck me as (at the very least) very genuine from the start. I’m really happy to have been able to hear her story of how it all went down and I’m really happy for her that she’s been able to move on and that she’s in such a good place now.

[@AvaGrail]

So proud of Johnie for getting through this. I saw Izzy and Stacy coming for her because they didn’t wanna fight with each other… After they went home from the barbecue they had big fight. Is he was probably twitching because he knew he had to tell his financial secrets to Stacey soon

[@rosalinaromo2830]

Johnie seems like a really nice person . I am glad we got to hear her side of the story 👏🏻

[@angiep2229]

I love that you two have this channel together! I hadn't known about it until recently. LiB is the only "reality" show I even watch! It's weird how invested I've gotten in the show even while I loathe the way it manipulates and exploits everyone. But you were two people I really wanted to see happy. I mean, I'd like everyone to be happy. But I felt especially like I could relate to you two. I also feel like I identify with Johnnie in a lot of ways that I don't know how to articulate. I feel like people misunderstand her a lot and hold that against her, and that resonates with me. I'm autistic and often have trouble making myself understood to people, and it really sucks. I think a lot of us have been bullied at some point in our lives, and the way Stacy and to a lesser extent Izzy were going off on Johnnie really hit some old trauma for me. I get that Johnnie said some things that Stacy didn't like, although I didn't even think the things she said were as terrible as other people made them out to be. But that might be another of my autism things too... sometimes I think I'm saying something unremarkable, but it winds up making someone really angry without my intending it. So I really appreciate you two doing this, and I'm just so happy to hear your perspectives! Natalie, I love that you speak your unpopular opinions, and I agree with them so much! And Deepti, you just seem like a really kind, really cool person.

[@aliciacapurro9372]

Thank you for giving her this space. I never thought she was a villain is just that I thought she wasn’t making much sense neither saying the things she really felt or thought. She explained with so much detail I 100% understand her now. Hope she marries her astronaut ❤️

[@jasminegreen8644]

I felt like Izzy saw Johnnie and got frustrated that he didn't pick her. I think Stacy felt (subconsciously)that he was attracted to Johnnie and she took it out on Johnnie. This is exactly why Izzy went for her when he saw her out. Remember how he looked at her when he saw her walk into the reunion?

[@ml20395m]

Natalie! I love your “unpopular” opinions! I love that you say exactly what you think without worrying too much about how others will see you, I think more people should be like that. We live in a herd mentality environment and people like you are critical so that opinions that can make real change are not lost in the mix. Keep at it girl! 🫶🏻

[@heatheraileen3956]

I lost a husband to addiction too and I feel that stigma. Thank you for bringing. Voice to it

[@CaulkMongler]

Stacy just gives me the impression that she tries desperately to come off as strong and independent, but actually just acts like a bully. Isn’t interested whatsoever in having an actual conversation because she’s already drawn every conclusion she could have. She seems like she’ll die before offering a true apology, but at the slightest “provocation” will act like it’s the deepest, intentional overstep.

[@meggokappo]

As someone who has also been in a similar position of having my character unexpectedly fully, deeply attacked in an unprovoked manner (and, for me, by someone who'd previously been a friend), it's completely understandable that Johnie still gets emotional about it. Whether or not you believe the things someone says, it is absolutely horrendous to have someone tell you that you're a terrible person, and especially hurtful for them to say that others feel the same way. What happened to me was 10 years ago and I'm confident that I did not deserve to be spoken to that way, and I stand by my actions that led her to talk to me like that, but I still get choked up when I tell people about the experience. There are VERY few scenarios where it's remotely justifiable to speak to someone in such a vindictive, damaging way, and it's incredible difficult to relive it, even with significant time passing.

[@monicagonzalez9469]

Love Johnie!!!!! 👏🏼 great interview!!

[@tia30947]

i like her. she's vulnerable and comfortable with being open about her flaws and regrets and seems like someone who wants to grow and move on. can't say the same for izzy and stacy. both are immature, hold onto the past and are pitted against johnie like a sick, toxic hobby. move on and get over it.

[@reu2002]

I loved Johnnie from the beginning. She always came across to me as empathetic and emotionally intelligent. I very much got the sense that Izzy in the end regretted his choice, especially when he saw Johnnie and realised he was very physically attracted to her. I think he externalised his regret and projected it on to Johnnie in the form of maliciousness. Stacey unfortunately just didn’t have the emotional range to be with somebody who has endured as much trauma and adversity as Izzy has, and I think he realised that pretty quickly. She’s had a very privileged, charmed life. The way she spoke about money spoke volumes on her materialistic values, and that really alienated Izzy. Like the fact that she never asked Izzy from a place of concern, why were you in debt? Did it happen when you got ex-communicated from your extremely controlling religious community. That’s what my mind immediately went to. He was out on his own and didn’t have anyone to fall back on, something she can’t really conceive of.

[@FTIKnow]

I’ve grown to love Johnie. You are 💯 and it’s not always well received, but you GO girl!! ♥️

[@brittanymiskell9]

"This is who I'd like to be perceived as" I so agree with her! That's totally the problem with this

[@EmpressEllie]

The universe had Jonnie’s back when the neighbor admitted to seeing Chris with his girlfriend. I’ve had those sorts of things happen. In fact. I was getting my lashes done and found out that my lash tech was someone my ex tried to date while I was with him in 2017. I’m not from the province I live in now, so this connection was truly unexpected. The universe has your back, always.

[@Bellolamb45]

Ladies, please do a sound test with guests before the show. Johnie’s sound is hollow/echoey which makes it a little hard to watch.

[@traciesmith7434]

What a eye opening interview. Johnie is very chill and gives us a-lot of context. My concern is Kinetic production, because of all of their slicing and dicing of the building of season five. I think the process n which they find contestants needs to be thorough. The show really seems over produced. When the production try’s to make things happen on the show it always turns to shit.

[@Deedster007]

Great interview!

[@catc7061]

So happy to see this interview and get Johnnie lore! This season was boring so I just listened to it in the background when I made dinner/got ready for work. So when they ganged up on Johnnie I GENUINELY thought I missed something because I was like wait…what did this girl even do? Lol

[@cydnievasquez]

I liked Johnie from the beginning. I think she carries herself very well and I appreciate her vulnerability. ❤

[@nancypatino_]

I love this episode, such a good one ❤!

[@saravieira90]

For me Stacy was the "villan" not Johnie, unfortunately Johnie ended up being the female version of what happened to Cole Barnett.

[@Bh70399]

Love Johnie even more after this interview ❤

[@18wheelerblues]

Yeaaaaah Izzy definitely did not get enough shit for being a bully and Stacey somehow escaped criticism and culpabilty. Johnie rocks and I knew I liked her from the beginning.

[@AlvaroVelasquez-r4x]

“I am giving you a chance because my ego is low” wow this is when you see therapy at work 😂

[@stephanietupper1434]

I LOVE johnie so much!!! 💕🙌🏼

[@chrisellely-portlandorreal9004]

Gosh she’s such an Angel. I hope she finds true happiness

[@pamelacordova8022]

For someone so is bald, Izzy was bold to speak on girls hair or choose someone based on their hair tone

[@sherlina8765]

Good interview. Can we get these two to host reunion?

[@lealove-r8m]

so. just a thought. have like a little bit of a intro/outro for your commercial breaks. it is extremely jarring to go from a tearful interview to a commercial break.

[@trinitydivine09]

Love this. I always liked Johnie.

[@anamchara2024]

These episodes are so cathartic. Stacy was awful, and hearing her called out is satisfying.

[@Sibby496]

This was good. Have a different perspective on Johnnie now. As for Izzy, why on earth did he go on the show for!? In my opinion Izzy is and was never ready to be a husband. Also am I the only person who doesn’t find him attractive🤷🏾‍♀️

[@banandababa]

@@dj_herewait are you implying he is gay?

[@Sibby496]

@@banandababa😂

[@socoldinsidex3]

Izzy is a clout chaser. He wants to become an influencer much like Natalie and Deepti.

[@jclyntoledo]

​@@banandababaIdk how you got that, it seemed like OP was suggesting Izzy wasn't mature enough or had a high enough emotional intelligence for that serious of a commitment. Also potentially he needed to fix certain things in his life before getting married right away like credit. In a lot of scenarios getting married to someone with bad credit does affect you financially too. If Stacey had good credit she's not going to want to ruin it by marrying Izzy.

[@sarahmunson1778]

Same, I don't find him at ALL attractive! I hate how he speaks, I don't like how he looks when he smiles, I don't like his bald head. So weird that so many women are all over him, but maybe it's narc charm.

[@swisdom9117]

44:55 Psychology IN Seattle also said something along these lines. Apparently in psychology it's called triangulation where two people redirect their anger towards a third person, the scape goat. I agree with Johnie here. And from listening to this episode so far (soooo interesting!!) I am seeing johnie's POV. Everything seems to be lining up. I didn't like her on the show because of the gossiping, but I am understanding her now