Over 360 Miles of Range In a 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance (hint… it’s the wheels)

[@Stevexupen]

this kind of content is 1000x better than youtuber shouting at you with clickbait title like "BAD NEWS IF YOU DRIVE YOUR TESLA MODEL 3 FOR LONG TRIP"

[@davewhitegt]

@@Stevexupen 🙌🏼

[@tonyn3227]

Not really, tesla superchargers are great, bad for other evs , though

[@GuiGabois]

@@tonyn3227 Not bad for Ford, Rivian and GM owners though! They can use Tesla chargers too in most locations.

[@JT-ng6nq]

I must say, currently own supercharged, cammed vette 680 hp, 2 bmws, an old alfa, and a 23 y p. They all make me smile for different reasons but nothing makes me go hily crap like the tesla, best dollar for dollar, operating expenses, safety by far, meets my needs,...a little sad but happy

[@davewhitegt]

@@JT-ng6nq nice choice in cars. I’m a vette guy myself. This was my last one. Little over 8 minutes into vid. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mni5qaeFosdkrZYsi=9CjGYqTVBIXO9NZU

[@davewhitegt]

@@JT-ng6nq if you get a chance take a look on my channel I also had a N/A z06 that you might like. What vette do you have?

[@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife]

Great video guys. Not over produced. There are a lot of haters out there, but for daily driving, these are the best cars out there. And not a big deal for road trips.

[@davidy932]

You two did a great job on the video. Very informative real world numbers. Love the Ultra Red color! Cheers

[@alancobbin]

Best EV on the planet by a country mile👍

[@GuiGabois]

I just did a 2800 mile road trip. Although when I was in Colorado I was driving from altitude of 12,000' down to 6000' over 317 miles, I actually got near a 400 mile range! Everything standard! I was mighty impressed!

[@dr.markevers8331]

Performance or LR?

[@MrBunny53]

Want to know if it's lr or performance as well

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Driving downhill from Mount Rushmore to Iowa doesn't require much energy

[@GuiGabois]

@@dr.markevers8331 performance

[@GuiGabois]

@@MrBunny53 performance

[@hutchrt0596]

I would love a performance model that came with wheel covers that you could remove for most everyday driving and then add for trips. And I love the current Wheels. The performance has, just a wheel cover. You could put over it and then gain a tremendous range.

[@davewhitegt]

Unfortunately it’s not just the wheel cover, it’s the combination of the tire and the size of the rim which gave me huge improvement. Wayyy less rotational mass.

[@FlockoftheGreyShepherd]

This is the combo I was hoping to see. Awesome to see the real world results!

[@electricviking]

Fantastic video, love the range of this, super impressive!

[@acncevik]

so the way u calculated is right but u are factoring the 3-4 kw buffer in the battery below zero so the usable capacity is actually 75 kwh and 5 kwh reserve after 0%

[@mikeely9732]

You are correct!

[@HoosierCarnivore]

Good job on the video, but why charge to 100% at a supercharger? I know you went in to eat and had the time, but you don't have to do that, plus it's really hard on the battery. Were there no super chargers up in New Hampshire? You might explain that a little more in future videos and take viewers through the whole thought process on charging for the entire trip. I love the new model 3 and it's great to see somebody take off the 20" wheels and install the 18's on a performance model!! Major kudos for that!! Looks to me like the performance will do just as well as the other long range models when equipped with the same wheels. Subscribed!

[@LearningFast]

Great video! This definitely confirms the efficiency I was getting with the Hankook iON EVO AS tires. I did 315 miles without stopping at all and had 8% battery left. That was at 220 wh/mi average. Just a couple of things to note. The actually usable capacity of the battery before the buffer is 78.6 kWh and not 80 kWh. Not a big difference but you probably wouldn’t be able to actually go more than 360 miles on a single charge. Also, the Aero wheels do make a difference but almost all of the benefit is from the Ultra Efficient Hankook tires especially at lower speeds. I have open air wheels and I got slightly better efficiency at the same speeds. Your wheels would start to really shine at 80+ mph.

[@davewhitegt]

Let me start by saying watching your vids got me started on this journey 🙌🏼. You were super helpful with answering all my questions.Thank you for all the info. My bad on the battery pack. I googled it and it said 82 kWh so I just figured 80 would be a safe number figuring they had at least a 1kWh buffer past zero percent, but thank you for the correction. I was factoring the tail end of the journey from the last charge where I went 207 mile and only used 44 kWh @ 212 Wh/mi so even factoring that at 78.6 kWh pack should put it over 360 miles range from one charge to zero unless I’m not calculating things correctly. Next step is to get another draggy and put this thing in the 10s.

[@LearningFast]

@@davewhitegt definitely get the dragy and try it at the track. Car is so quick you can easily get a ticket or worse doing pulls on the street. Your efficiency is really good. I bet those wheels would really shine out west where they have 80+ mph speed limits.

[@mikeely9732]

Well done, even if you aren’t “KZbinrs”. 😂

[@Gaijin101]

Thanks for documenting the trip! Really helps.

[@aaronbounds1336]

We have had electric cars in my household since 2017. A Tesla since December 2022. The Tesla is the only car we take on road trips. Takes longer, but there is so much more to it than the time factor alone.

[@Xero1216]

Can you elaborate on what you meant by "more to it than time factor alone?"

[@arecibo1974]

Good information, thank you for sharing 👍🏼 Hopefully, I’ll be picking up my long range RWD next weekend also in ultra red . Love this color

[@davewhitegt]

I honestly believe the long range rwd is the sweet spot in the category. If that would have been out before mine, I probably would have gotten that one considering I’m having more fun going for range rather than speed with this car. We still might get one for Nicole.

[@dr.markevers8331]

Im getting ultra red too! LR DM! Super happy to see this. Makes me feel better about driving across Texas.

[@DJomant]

Glad you love the M3P.

[@DrRussPhd]

Driving I-95 is brutal. Nice demo, thanks for posting.

[@stephenpatterson8056]

The craziest part is that the car recognized that you changed the wheels and changed the 3D rendering of the car on the center display to reflect the other wheels being installed

[@TN-zd9gk]

IIRC you gotta change it manually, it's in the service menu

[@ChickyNugg]

@@TN-zd9gk it'll pop up with a prompt if you forget to change it! it detects it somehow

[@PositivePersistence]

These cars are on a whole new level- this is so much more than any other car ive owned.​@ChickyNugg

[@domnuspike4913]

l believe it detects that the distance travelled is shorter than calculated for the 20" wheels

[@mcunha81]

Hmm,they might have done that manually,it helps to recalibrate the mph,being accurite,which will help with range accuracy. The other day I managed 213wh/mi in my 21 3LR,doing around 50mph, I'll let u do the math with a 76kw battery,but theres no doubt the new 3s are more efficient

[@OneWheelMan]

I really wish the performance models offered an 18 inch rim option from the factory. I want it anyways for multiple reasons. Potholes, efficiency, etc. 2024 performance on 18 inch wheels would basically be my dream car.

[@davewhitegt]

@@OneWheelMan I gotta say that the slightly less handling characteristics are far out weighed by the comfort and less noise. I’m not someone who is normally driving the car at 8/10ths anyway.

[@OneWheelMan]

@@davewhitegt Yeah, that's how I feel. I'm not doing track days. I like performance, but also want a good daily driver for real world use. I currently have a RWD with 18's...but I'd love all wheel drive and some more power! I've driven a long range with acceleration boost...never driven a refresh or performance model.

[@davewhitegt]

@@OneWheelMan I feel like the new highland RWD and AWD are the sweet spot in the new line up. I love mine, but rarely use the performance that it’s capable of.

[@fawadali1689]

Unfortunately with the same tires I did not see much of efficiency change

[@davewhitegt]

@@fawadali1689 2024 model 3 performance? You put an 18 inch wheel on it?

[@jitterygoat49r]

Congratulations on the new Model 3. Awesome car! Drive safely.

[@platinum9118]

Thank you for the info.Awesome video.I just recently bought a2024 Model 3 dual motor

[@davewhitegt]

@@platinum9118 I drive mine like an old person. I probably should have gotten the AWD long range. Good luck with it.

[@platinum9118]

@@davewhitegt yeah I love my car. It’s been a great investment all wheel drive that 0 to 60 like four seconds maybe a little bit less but it’s just a good riding car. I love it. I got the long range .auto pilot awesome.

[@4literv6]

Imagine saying to someone I drive an American made, 4dr 10s ev sleeper sedan that gets over 125mpge and cost me just 47k+ttl. 👍🏻😀 This car is the value of the century Per dollar hands DOWN! Find a referral code, ad in the tax credit and the base is $46,490! Imagine this powertrain in the 25 model Y juniper performance update early next year. Turned up just a bit for $57-60k. And they are bringing out a 6 seat model Y version late next year to! I wish tesla would've taken this chassis added the f&r castings, structural 4680 gen2 cybercell pack. And made a 2dr coupe which would be 250# or more lighter to take on the camaros,mustangs, chargers, challengers&400zs for 45-55k.

[@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife]

Even the Model 3 DMLR can take on most Camaros and mustangs. And still pick up mom at the airport 😂

[@jonathanl2748]

Great idea for a video! I really appreciate these kind of real life vids. I am seriously considering a Model S LR. Thank you.

[@davewhitegt]

@@jonathanl2748 thank you

[@mcunha81]

Were u on chill mode during this test? I'm eyeing a performance and those wheels❤😊

[@davewhitegt]

@@mcunha81 yes, all chill, but shouldn’t have mattered even if you were in insane mode and just kept a steady pedal. However the mapping on the throttle in chill mode is wayyy more forgiving.

[@mcunha81]

@@davewhitegt yeah,I honestly dont care about the performance,I just want the looks,if your in NJ,then u know these summer tires are useless to us for some of the year.and I'm guessing 20 inch all seasons will be nearly as expensive as just buying the ev01s+ and 18 inch tires .thnx for speedy response

[@davewhitegt]

@@mcunha81 funny you should say New Jersey. I’m in nj and might actually be trading the car in on a long range rwd. I just put these new wheels and tires up for sale in two different m3p fb groups. facebook.com/share/p/18escgDywp/?

[@scottthompson5518]

Sorry if this was answered already - what impact did the wheels and tires have on your acceleration? 0-60? 0-100?

[@davewhitegt]

@@scottthompson5518 this is a great question. The main reason I did this was watching @LearningFast ‘s videos of him running the quarter mile. If you get a chance watch his vids. Pretty sure with an 18 inch wheel and these tires he went 10.8 in the 1/4 and 2.7X to 60. Now that doesn’t mean I can do that. But def makes me wanna buy another draggy (gave my old one away) and test it out. There are a lot of little tricks to get the most out of these cars (battery temp, wheels, tires, ect) and I hope to find out a lot of them.

[@pinpin891]

I’m here to leave a comment just because you asked nicely lol

[@noelhwang9359]

Can you share where you purchased those EV01+ wheels from? I couldn't find a dealer from Fast Wheels for my area (in mid TN). Thanks!

[@shanemonday8605]

This please. And how did you decide offset and insure that the wheels don't interfere with the calipers? No wheel expert here. I'd like to buy these wheels for my Highland M3P (either 18 or 19) and get all season tires for winter driving in southern Ohio.

[@davewhitegt]

@@noelhwang9359 wheelhaven.com/en-us/products/fast-wheels-ev01-satin-black-18x8-5-35-5x114-3mm-70-2mm this is the company I ordered them from. I’m not sure if this is the core t link or not, so just give them a call and they’ll get you set up on the phone.

[@davewhitegt]

@@shanemonday8605 wheelhaven.com/en-us/products/fast-wheels-ev01-satin-black-18x8-5-35-5x114-3mm-70-2mm this is the company I ordered them from. I’m not sure if this is the core t link or not, so just give them a call and they’ll get you set up on the phone. If range is your goal, 18s all day long, but the 19s will def look better but not be as efficient. I’d recommend the 18. They drive nice.

[@ZavHustles]

Would you say that putting the long range wheels on either the model 3 or the model Y performance will give it almost the same range as the long range?

[@BillB33525]

212 Wh/mi on the highway is unbelievable. On long trips it's good to get out of the car every few hours and stretch.

[@davewhitegt]

As I get older, I couldn’t agree with this more. 👍🏼

[@donaldduck5731]

Nice ordinary persons perspective review, looks like you’re a KZbin influencer now. Here in Cambridge UK we have loads of little roundabouts, tight turns and little roads, but I see you can buy aftermarket indicators on stalks (Veekys) now, so not a show stopper, wish Tesla had the old ones as options though.

[@lirimajre]

Great awesome video😁 I was wondering what specs the rims are and where you got them and are you running 235 all around

[@davewhitegt]

@@lirimajre thank you. Yes square set up. 235/45/18 Hankook iON EVO as all the way around on 8.5 inch wheel. I can’t recommend these tires enough. They are super quiet.

[@ZavHustles]

@@davewhitegt$250 a tire, not including installation, so probably like $1,200 with taxes and instillation for a set of 4, ouch

[@davewhitegt]

@@ZavHustles you forgot the price of the rims also.

[@ranyshawket9253]

Very nice video thanks for sharing you guys are a great couple ❤

[@marc8858]

Nice video! Not bad for not a youtuber. Subbed 😉

[@davewhitegt]

🙌🏼

[@Techridr]

227 Wh/mi means 4.4 miles/kWh which is very impressive for the Performance version at highway speeds. Out Of Spec just did a side-by-side 70 mph range comparison of a 2023 and 2024 Long Range AWD, and ran the batteries down to dead, factored in battery degradation, calculated usage, and all other things being equal, the 2024 "Highland" traveled 60 miles more on the same energy. They really got the aero down on the 2024. For your Performance model to be that efficient is astounding. Thanks for posting this

[@davewhitegt]

@@Techridr yea, I just watched it yesterday. It was nice to watch to know I wasn’t crazy. lol.

[@Techridr]

@@davewhitegt I'm an efficiency nerd, so I'm really considering the RWD Long Range M3. I'm waiting to see how the Model Y "Juniper" is in the real world before I pull the trigger. It's a tough call between fun/efficiency and utility. If the Model Y looks as good as the 3, I might pull the trigger. It will be my 3rd Tesla! :)

[@davewhitegt]

@@Techridr I hope “Out of Spec” does a rwd one soon. Really curious to see that test. Curious to see if they get in the 390 range or more. If it is only 390, I think the awd (for me) would be the better purchase just for the acceleration and premium stereo.

[@Techridr]

@@davewhitegt The long-range RWD is rated 60 more miles than the Performance, so it should be able easily break 400 in the right situations, but it's only 22 miles more than the AWD. For me, I don't need AWD in Los Angeles and I have motorcycles to get myself in 0-60 trouble already. So nice to have options.

[@aaronbounds1336]

About FSD problems…definitely not only you. The latest update of 12.5.4.1 has been pretty bad for me as well: doesn’t stay within lane lines when it used to be great at that, stops at green traffic lights when it never used to do that, goes too slowly for no reason, and also WAY too fast (52 in a 35 type fast), all sorts of problems.

[@cecekeepingitreal3531]

You are now ❤❤❤❤ great job

[@tonygonsalves0317]

Cool video Dave. Your ride looks nice. See you Thursday.

[@seachickens4u]

I don’t think 100% of the battery pack is usable but still over the estimate which is awesome

[@davewhitegt]

@@seachickens4u it’s not. I’ve learned a lot since this trip. Seems to be the consensus is that 78.6 kWh is the usable but you can go slightly past zero to around 80 👍🏼.

[@davejohnson6144]

How do you like your 2024 M3P compared to the Corvette and other V8 muscle cars you’ve owned? Which car do you like better? There’s so many Tesla haters from muscle car owners who say the Tesla has no soul and is no fun this and that bs and just totally talk crap about Teslas. I think they get butt hurt when they lose against one or just never drove a Tesla to experience how awesome they are. Please give us your personal opinion as a former ICE owner. Thank you! 🙏

[@authenticNL2]

I'll give my personal opinion, gas cars have the sound and are better for long distances. Tesla is like a daily driver, it does what it does fantastically well and has useful acceleration to pass cars. Tesla's are alright for long trips, I average 260 miles from a full charge (2024 M3 AWD LR) I honestly think you can get the experience of both by getting an expensive gas car with 5 seats and 500+ hp and 400+ ft/lb of torque.

[@davewhitegt]

This is a great question and I’m definitely qualified to answer from a personal perspective. I wanna give your question the answer it deserves but I’m slammed at work right now. I’ll def come back to this question later. 👍🏼

[@davejohnson6144]

@@authenticNL2 But which car do you like better between your old Vette and Charger or this Tesla? Or let me ask you this, if you could only own one car and if you were given $60k to buy a car, what would you buy?? Be honest

[@peacems]

Never had a Corvette but my 2018 Camaro SS w/1LE package was close to a C7. My new '24 M3P would destroy it in a straight line and would hang in there on the track, if I decided to. I had the 1LE for 2 years and it was a blast to drive, sounded great, but in the end it was a toy and not practical for more than 2 people. The suspension was not bad with the magnetic shocks but doesn't ride as well as the M3P. Sure I miss the American V8 sound and rowing my own gears but the M3P excels in every other category. Stealth speed has it's own benefits.

[@peacems]

@@davejohnson6144 Dave, I think I've seen you post similar questions in other M3P videos. We get it, you love V8 American cars, I do too (see my other post). I don't think it's an either or question, it's what works for YOU. I've had both but if I only had 60k and could only pick one, the M3P is a no brainer... for me. Then again I'm a sucker for a fast, non-descript sedans. This fits the bill. Dave.... stop lurking, you know you want one, just do it! 🙂

[@dmunro9076]

Remember that your M3P can use the CCS1->Tesla adapter so you can access non-Tesla DCFCs, if they or their amenities are more convenient for you.

[@fkporsche1]

good video. I have the 2023 model 3P. Could you share where you get your wheels for your new highland performance?

[@rainemc2004]

You was on chill mode the entire time. Standard or insane would have been less. That’s still really good.

[@regarded_chimp]

i have the long range 2024 model 3. best car ever

[@davewhitegt]

RWD or AWD? I personally feel that the RWD long range is the sweet spot on the line up. Especially now that I like nerding out on the efficiency numbers and drive like a grandma 80% of the time lol. If that would have come out before the performance, I probably would have gotten that. We still might get one for Nicole.

[@regarded_chimp]

@@davewhitegt AWD - i live in a place where winters are brutal with snow. wanted the rwd one (cheaper and more range), but opted for awd just to be safe

[@robertcrain9849]

Awesome video! Good job! You mentioned in a comment on another video that you wish you knew about Chris' 18" aero wheels. Can you let me know how I can find those? Also, do you suggest I get those over the 18 inch ev01+ wheels that you got? Thanks!!

[@davewhitegt]

@@robertcrain9849 it’s going to be a person preference thing. Personally I don’t think the EV01+ wheels look good with the aero caps on. However they look decent with them off now and I’m still getting good efficiency around for my normal around town driving. These without the aero caps weight around 22 pounds. Chris’ wheels only weigh 19.4 lbs and are a 1/2 inch narrower. Not to mention you can use the factory aero caps on those wheels. I think that factory look just looks better. I just have a feeling the Tesla would have done a better job at designing a more efficient aero cap than the aftermarket, but I could be wrong. This in conjunction with being lighter and a 1/2 inch narrower, I would have to think they would be slightly more efficient. Just to clarify, I do not have any solid evidence either way. However they are more expensive. This is Chris’ IG. instagram.com/maxforgedwheels?igsh=MWtlNmViZXl0cjZwYg==

[@Sora-zs3mf]

For the wheels you got, could you link to them? It looks like on Wheelhaven the EV01+ 18x8.5 + 35 5x114 shows as not fitting the Model 3 Performance? Is the site wrong or is it a different wheel?

[@davewhitegt]

@@Sora-zs3mf Call them. They didn’t have them on their site when I ordered them, so I called them directly and the def have the correct ones for the Performance model.

[@Sora-zs3mf]

Could you confirm whether the specs I listed for the wheel are correct or is it a different spec?

[@davewhitegt]

@@Sora-zs3mf you need to call wheel haven to make sure. I wouldn’t order without calling them first

[@keizersoze907]

Love the car and video, just one thing, lets compare like size car fuel economy. Why are we comparing a compact to the fuel economy of a mid-sized truck. Fuel economy for most similar sized cars from what I see range from 31 - 38 mpg. So the cost should be compared to that. Trust I own the AWD model 3 Refresh and love it, regardless what the cost comparison is, but lets be fair to compare like to like.

[@davewhitegt]

@@keizersoze907 I was just comparing it to my lexus es which gets around 25 mph if I’m lucky. But I can re calculate it to 34 mpg. This brings up a good question though. I wonder what the average mpg amongst all ICE cars on the road today. Again I didn’t buy the car for the fuel savings, just happens to be an added benefit. Just did some quick math and the Tesla still comes out on top. 725 miles at 34 mpg = $69 and was still only $53 for the Tesla. Obviously not as much of a savings, but you have to remember this is the only time I’ve charged at a supercharger. That’s $.39 cents per kWh, charging at home I only pay $.16 cents per kWh (less than 1/2). And some people have programs that pay $.09 cents per kWh. So over the lifespan that difference will grow even greater even if the ice car did 70 mpg.

[@davewhitegt]

@@keizersoze907 my bad, just got off the phone with my utility company. I’m actually paying $14.2cents/ kWh

[@keizersoze907]

@@davewhitegt Nice vid and great points. Again, I LOVE my m3awdLR 2024 edition. Best car I haven't drive but ride in. Wish more people got the deal with Tesla. It's about changing how you drive period. Not just a car with a battery in it. Car industry needed this shake up

[@ResistanceForever]

18in wheels look so small tho. Wonder how much range 19in wheels get?

[@davewhitegt]

Couldn’t agree more. But I’m a nerdy function over form guy. I think I actually mention it in the vid that these wheels look terrible 🤣. There’s a guy Chris who I met after I bought these that has the factory Aero wheels cut to 8inch wide not 8.5 and weigh even less that I would probably get instead. I think they look a little better. This is his IG. instagram.com/maxforgedwheels?igsh=MWtlNmViZXl0cjZwYg==

[@davejohnson6144]

Beautiful car! Did you PPF yours? I have one on order and debating if I should ppf it. Just cost so damn much !

[@conglin2093]

If you own your car (no lease) always at least PPF the front.

[@davewhitegt]

I did paint correction, whole front end ppf, and whole car ceramic coat. 35% ceramic tint on the windows and 79% ceramic tint on the windshield.

[@davewhitegt]

But I feel you on the costing soo much. But I’m on the same feeling as the comment above mine. Since I bought it, I want it perfect.

[@Comanchedrive]

One question. Does your M3P have EV or standard tires installed? I read EV tires will increase vehicle range

[@davewhitegt]

@@Comanchedrive these are EV specific tires. Hankook iON EVO AS 235/45/18. Btw, super quiet tire too.

[@TheZbadam1]

Great video

[@GuiGabois]

Did you buy yours when they came out? I bought mine on April 23rd so I took advantage of the rebate and also getting the red. That lasted a couple of days only!!

[@davewhitegt]

@@GuiGabois yup, ordered it the morning after it came out. 3 days later you couldn’t get the red under $55k. And then another 3 days later, they upped it another $1k.

[@peacems]

@@davewhitegt - I'm jealous of both of you! I slept on the release and waited to order when the 1.99% was announced on Aug 2nd. I wouldn't buy one without getting Ultra Red (with White) so I bought FSD (red was "free") to get the tax credit and scored a $1k referral before delivery. Not as good as deal as you guys but 1.99% was better than the 6.49% Tesla was offering in April. Overall, I couldn't be happier, especially with the improvements in FSD.

[@GuiGabois]

@@peacems I paid cash and traded in my previous model 3P too. It really is such a step up from the previous model.

[@ASM6888]

Interesting test. Have you tested the dynamics of the car with the 18' wheels in sport suspension mode? The stock 20' wheels with the very low profile tires give a serious beating to the car in rough roads.

[@davewhitegt]

@@ASM6888 I haven’t. I’m just so used to driving the car around in standard mode 👴🏼. The ride quality more than makes up for the slight loss in daily driving dynamics. But I can also see the point that is you’re somebody not going for efficiency, and only care about the driving dynamics, you might not want to do this. I kept the factory wheels. I’ll prob throw them back on at some point.

[@ElectricGeek-i4f]

Hey there, great vid, just a FYI the useable kWh in any tesla model 3 perf from 2022 onwards is 78 kWh, there's a buffer for various things and also the FULL capacity always depends on the temp and weather outside as even on two identical days the battery will have different capacities. Also a quick and accurate way to get mi/kwh is to divide 1 by adding a decimal to the wh/mi for ex from your vid it would be 1/.227 which is around 4.405 mi/kwh and multiplied by 78 its around 343 miles! I personally have a '22 M3 Perf and this video might have convinced me to get aero wheels for road trips.

[@davewhitegt]

Thank you for the info. I thought it was an 82 kWh pack and figured it would have a 1 or 2 kWh buffer to go past zero percent like on “Out of Spec” videos. That’s the only reason I was using 80 instead of 78. Wasn’t trying to deceive anyone 👍🏼. So is there a buffer past 78 kWh?

[@davewhitegt]

I was also calculating off of the current drive for the last part of the trip. That was 207 mile from the last supercharger. That was 212 Wh/mi. I figured that would give a real going from a charger to zero number. The total trip number had two charges in it that would also consume some energy.

[@ElectricGeek-i4f]

@@davewhitegt It always depends per vehicle, the best place to learn about all this geeky/nerdy stuff is OutOfSpec Studios in my opinion. But short answer, yes you can go about 10-30 miles when it still says 0 because they dont want you to be stranded. I dont know the exact kWh buffer but anywhere between 1-2 kwh of driving buffer and not anything above that cause if you go too low in percentage your battery will just die and not be useable.

[@ElectricGeek-i4f]

@@davewhitegt Got it, makes sense. I was just saying to calc by adding a decimal to the front as its slightly more accurate in terms of the math because when using kwh you might have used for example 23.718 but it will only show 23 in the display whereas the wh/mi is more descriptive. So if it says for example like 235 wh/mi i would just divide 1 by 0.235 to get the mi/kwh.

[@davewhitegt]

@@ElectricGeek-i4f ahhh, thank you. Makes sense. I like things that make sense and can be explained. I’ll start doing it that way from now on. I’m only in the BEV game for a couple of months, but I love all this geeky nerdy stuff.

[@gamingsoulworks1507]

Amazing !

[@LearningFast]

Chill mode is pointless. That doesn’t make you more efficient unless the outside temperatures are extremely cold. Just use Insane mode always.

[@davewhitegt]

I use Chill mode just because it’s a more comfortable driving experience for myself and the passengers not for the efficiency. The mapping of the pedal in Chill mode is way more linear and less jerky. This solves the problem of why we always hear passengers complain they feel sick riding in a BEV. On the highway I’m sure there’s zero efficient difference between chill and insane, but unless you have a very smooth foot, I would think there would have to be at least a minimal difference in town driving between the two. It’s very possible I could be mistaken. Keep in mind I’m new at this, but I think I’m grasping it pretty quickly.

[@GuiGabois]

@@davewhitegt 100% agree. Pointless having Insane mode on unless you want a bit of fun in the twisties. With my wife and dog in car, chill mode is the way to go

[@LearningFast]

@@davewhitegt chill mode is entirely too slow. Use Standard at the very least. However, I still maintain that Insane Mode can be smooth if you just press the pedal less hard.

[@OldManBolt]

Great video!

[@BoscosFinds]

Awesome video

[@1duncanjohnston]

Awesome visit down memory lane for me. I made the trip from north Jersey to Lake Winnnipesaukee many many summers as our family spent our summer vacations at a cabin on Lake "Winnie." Is there any way you could post a link (or similar) to that wheel tire combo?

[@davewhitegt]

@@1duncanjohnston wheelhaven.com/products/fast-wheels-ev01-satin-black-18x8-5-35-5x114-3mm-70-2mm I’m pretty sure their website wasn’t updated to 24 “highland” model. I actually had to call them to confirm. However, there’s a guy Chris that I met after I had already ordered the Fast wheels who makes factory Aero wheels in 8 inch wide that only weigh 19.4 lbs that fit the 24 M3P. They are a little bit more expensive but weight and footprint wise I bet they are even more efficient. This is his IG instagram.com/maxforgedwheels?igsh=MWtlNmViZXl0cjZwYg==

[@TITTO_Transport]

The auto lane shift is for safety purposes. If you go at the speed limit, it will keep you at the right lane until vehicles start merging from the on ramp. Since you are driving over the speed limit, it will merge one lane over to try and keep you at that speed and avoid quick decelerations or having to merge one lane over at the last minute.

[@davewhitegt]

@@TITTO_Transport no, it would do it all the time, even if I wasn’t approaching someone slower or nowhere near an on ramp. And was annoying because side there are plenty of people going faster than 70 in the middle lane and then they would pass me on the right. However, I found kind of a solution to select minimal lanes changes on the UI and it seemed to let me ride in the right hand lane.

[@TITTO_Transport]

@@davewhitegt it avoids the right lane because of incoming traffic at some point in your highway travel. Statistically, merging points is where most accidents occur. If you keep minimal lane changes, it will keep you there but you might get stuck behind people moving slowly when merging into the highway. Later updates might change that as the AI starts to learn various driving styles.

[@mcunha81]

I wonder if the 2021 18s would fit on this performance,or the 18s for the 2024 LR 3,hmm also how does this car manage to exceed the range of the LR,lol those wheels are nuts,lol

[@davewhitegt]

@@mcunha81 not sure if it actually does, and if it does, it’s not by much. Possibly the carbon sleeve plaid motor is slightly more efficient, but “out of spec” came out with a vid after I posted this where they got 372 miles on one charge out of a 2024 long range awd. The new highland is amazing.

[@davewhitegt]

@@mcunha81 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWfVmK19nt-al7Msi=kD_ncCkqPMvf2DgM

[@davewhitegt]

@@mcunha81 I posted the “out of spec” vid above. But the second part of what you asked. I’m pretty sure regular 18s on any other model won’t fit this or any other performance model. From what I’m told, there’s a slight step in the back of the rim that only the performance models have. Regular model 18s won’t fit.

[@mcunha81]

@@davewhitegt thnx seen it 😃

[@mcunha81]

@@davewhitegt so what's special about those Evos?very interesting

[@PeiqiLi-RL]

red looks great, but I still prefer blue sometimes, white’s great on 3 but mediocre on Y.

[@davewhitegt]

Agree that I like the blue also. It’s a toss up for me. I just figured because of the $2k premium I would see less ultra red ones. In reality I don’t see many ultra red or blue ones.

[@maximilianlorenz1706]

I would recommend to set the charge Limit zu 80% so your battery doesn‘t Degenerate so fast

[@davewhitegt]

We normally do, we only set it to 100% for the long trip. 👍🏼

[@mcunha81]

Wow,233wh/mi,at 70? Wow, my 213lr at the same speed is around 270wh/mi..good to know

[@AZdroptop]

My wife and I just went to Vegas from Tucson Az and the car would moves us out of the fast lane....sometimes. And sometimes it wouldn't. Sometimes it would allow us to speed sometimes it wouldn't. Actually kind of annoying.

[@davewhitegt]

@@AZdroptop my situation was it wouldn’t let me stay in the slow lane. On a 3 lane road it kept putting me in the middle. Even if I wasn’t coming up on anybody. I didn’t like it cause I always drive with a “slower traffic keep right” mentality. It’s just being courteous. There were plenty of people driving faster than me but slower than the fast lane and it would force them to pass me on the right. I realized later on that selecting minimal lanes changes seemed to solve this and would keep me in the right lane much longer.

[@RB-lt8kt]

Did you buy or lease the car ? In the UK depreciation is really bad for EV's. I lost a lot in two years and got out while my car still had value in it and leasing would have cost me more. Other considerations are insurance costs on new EV's as here in the UK £1000 a year for a Tesla on average or £350 for a similar size petrol car. My mid size (Golf size car) 1.5 petrol / gas car does 40 mpg city and over 50 mpg motorway / highway. Electricity is £0.75 per kw at public chargers so here 725 miles at 4 miles per kw efficiency would cost £136 (£15 using house / home electricity for 200 miles and then £98 at public chargers making it £113) and in petrol / gas in my car £92 for the same journey.

[@davewhitegt]

@@RB-lt8kt I’m someone who hold onto his cars for a long time, so I purchased it. Def wasn’t smart to purchase it the day it came out, however this was the car I had been waiting for and didn’t care about depreciation, but it’s definitely a real thing. They finally put the plaid motor in the model 3. Was just crazy enough for me to say “fuck it” and not care about prob being able to buy it less expensive later in the year. I just wanted it. Insurance this side of the pond is more expensive but I don’t have the statistics on how much the difference would be. I didn’t buy the car for fuel savings, it just happens to be one of the added benefits of it here in America. My home utilities are $14.2 cents/ kWh and regular gas is an average of $3.25/gallon. Our superchargers are (from what I’ve seen) $.30cents-$.39 cents/kWh. Doesn’t sound like the fuel savings would be a factor for you, but for me, I purchased it because I love the way it drives as a daily driver.

[@RB-lt8kt]

@@davewhitegt My mate has had suspension bushes replaced and a motor repaired due to a design flaw on the motor which leaks fluid into the motor. All cost him as Tesla wouldn't cover it on an older model 3. He also had electrical gremlins Tesla sorted for a small cost. Lovely car but it has been a pain in the back side for him.

[@michaelclark8735]

that amazing i have 2021 performance also but the one thing is on your trip u using a 250 watt charger so its going to be faster to charge but it cost more. when u say u get 371 that is till 0 no one drive till 0 percent so u don't drive till 0 u drive till around 20 percent .

[@davewhitegt]

@@michaelclark8735 correct, but my usable range (10%-80%) is still greater than the stock 20 inch wheels. This is just one of those test to see what the pack is capable of. Similar to all the “Out of Spec” tests. And don’t forget this was mostly at 70 mph. It’s a week and a half later and because most of my driving is around town, my numbers are even better now.

[@michaelclark8735]

@davewhitegt I agree that an amazing car btw. I am looking g to go with some aftermarket rims also still looking into it .

[@peacems]

Dave, just noticed we have something in common other than a '24 M3P.... our wives are Miami Dolphins fans! 🙂

[@davewhitegt]

Nicole said “Phins Up!!!”. She’s originally from Hollywood, Florida. What’s your wife’s excuse? lol

[@peacems]

@@davewhitegt Well the story goes she was born the year the Dolphins were formed and her Grandfather picked them as his favorite team, so I guess it stuck with her. 🙂

[@JamesBond-qv2ht]

Someone may have mentioned this but there is a certain amount of reserve capacity that may not be reflected in the estimate of miles on the current charge. Kind of like gas cars aren’t really empty when the needle is on “E”.

[@davewhitegt]

@@JamesBond-qv2ht No one has a definitive answer on the exact amount that I know of, but “out of spec” has done reviews and he runs them past zero miles left. I would assume there would have to be a 1-2 kWh buffer past zero.

[@quavohuncho6156]

wow didnt know you could fit 18 inch on the performance version

[@davewhitegt]

@@quavohuncho6156 yea, these wheels have the stepped hub cut into them and everything.

[@flash7750]

Nice car good video👍

[@vinnybills7115]

Can you please share the new wheels and tires you put on? I’ve been wanting to do that as well I’ve got the 24 m3p as well. Thank you very much.

[@davewhitegt]

@@vinnybills7115 wheelhaven.com/products/fast-wheels-ev01-satin-black-18x8-5-35-5x114-3mm-70-2mm I’m pretty sure their website wasn’t updated to 24 “highland” model. I actually had to call them to confirm. However, there’s a guy Chris that I met after I had already ordered the Fast wheels who makes factory Aero wheels in 8 inch wide that only weigh 19.4 lbs that fit the 24 M3P. They are a little bit more expensive but weight and footprint wise I bet they are even more efficient. This is his IG instagram.com/maxforgedwheels?igsh=MWtlNmViZXl0cjZwYg==

[@vinnybills7115]

@@davewhitegt thank you very much. I ordered some

[@peacems]

Dave, would you mind sharing where you purchased those wheels? FAST shows (2) 18x8.5" versions of the EVO1+ wheels in the 5x114.3 bolt pattern. One with a 64.1mm bore and 40mm offset, and the other with a 70.2mm bore and 35mm offset. Do you know which one you installed? That 5mm offset may make a difference in brake clearance on the Performance model.

[@davewhitegt]

No problem. wheelhaven.com/products/fast-wheels-ev01-satin-black-18x8-5-35-5x114-3mm-70-2mm I’m pretty sure their website wasn’t updated to 24 “highland” model. I actually had to call them to confirm. However, there’s a guy Chris that I met after I had already ordered the Fast wheels who makes factory Aero wheels in 8 inch wide that only weigh 19.4 lbs that fit the 24 M3P. They are a little bit more expensive but weight and footprint wise I bet they are even more efficient. I’m gonna tell him to comment his info here. 👍🏼

[@davewhitegt]

This is Chris’s IG instagram.com/maxforgedwheels?igsh=MWtlNmViZXl0cjZwYg==

[@14energy]

Great video, especially for a non KZbinr 😂

[@johnelicker3967]

Nice job hey question were you in Ludacris mode or chill for your trip thanks for sharing

[@zegoflorida]

Just ordered my P3 two days ago… gonna be fun…

[@davewhitegt]

@@zegoflorida you’re gonna love it.

[@mcunha81]

Did u black out wheels or is that on all of the ev01s?

[@davewhitegt]

Pretty sure they only come in black on the site, but don’t quote me.

[@mcunha81]

@@davewhitegt there 2 different ones,thnx for all the info.

[@dr.markevers8331]

I guess the big question is, FSD worth it?

[@davewhitegt]

I’m a little slammed at work right now, I’m gonna get back to this question. There’s a lot to it.

[@akaye7333]

i wonder why they went for 275s in the back, 255s would have been enough for the small performance increase. how much did you get on the 20inch tires?

[@GuiGabois]

But the 275s look sooo goood

[@Mike-dd8bd]

Nah 275 looks way better. Kind of now a proper tire setup for a performance car with 500+HP.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

TechQ: Does changing wheel size confuse the staggered All Wheel Drive system?

[@rogerdodgerxd]

I would love to test out FSD since I picked up my 24 model 3 awd long range. I have one month of free FSD. However, things went south since a 18 year old with no license turned left hard and collided onto my car. The front end is damaged and the front left wheel got pushed back into the car. I am still figuring out how the insurance will go and how long the repair will take. The car is brand spanking new with 154 miles on the odometer. Experience so far went from joyful to sorrow.

[@davewhitegt]

@@rogerdodgerxd WHAT!!!! Damn bro, sorry to hear this.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Young Humans are slightly less skilled than FSD .....

[@458italiagtr]

Would you be able to do an 80 mph consumption test?

[@davewhitegt]

@@458italiagtr I have never done it, however I’m sure the efficiency would be less. 95% of my driving is local so it wouldn’t really affect me. As a matter of a fact my efficiency is even better now since this trip with all my local driving. I only made the vid because the opportunity arose with this trip.

[@tulanekenny]

Where did you get the wheels and tires|? Link?

[@vbalasekaran]

I know you said you were using the 18 in wheels but can you specify the model and where you bought them? Same on the tires please. Thanks

[@davewhitegt]

My bad. I just updated it in the description. Got them from Wheel Haven in Canada. They are the 18x8.5 EV01+ wheels in +35 offset I think. But if I had to do it again, there is a guy Chris that I can get you in touch with who makes the factory 18 inch aero wheels but can get them 18x8 and 19.4 pounds each as opposed to the ones that I got that are 23lbs. He get them made so they have the step in them and fit the 2024 M3P. I still might eventually order them from him. Tires I used were the Hankook iON EVO AS 235/45/18

[@mkg1425]

Are you experiencing the rear oil leak from the drive train?

[@davewhitegt]

@@mkg1425 there’s no spots on the ground where I park, but I haven’t pulled any panels down to check either.

[@vbalasekaran]

@@davewhitegt Yes please share Chris’ information. Thank you so much

[@davewhitegt]

@@vbalasekaranI told him to comment on here to share his info. 👍🏼

[@mcunha81]

Just thought of something ,u said 80kw battery,not sure if thats usable or not,mine is 81,but 76 is usable,so if this is the case your numbers are a bit off . ,but still very effecient

[@davewhitegt]

@@mcunha81 thank you for the comment. Seems to be the general consensus is that the usable power on the new 82 kWh pack is 78.6 kWh. There is usually about a 1-2 kWh buffer past zero in the pack according to the “out of spec” reviews. I did incorrectly divide by 80 on the trip (which technically you could do, but never would), but next time I will divide by 78.6. But yes, I was shocked at how much more efficient it was with the 18 wheels and Hankook tires. Btw, I highly recommend these tires to everyone when people are need tire.

[@srt4cuz]

You need to be careful with idle fees. Tesla will charge a fee if your done charging and still stay plugged in

[@davewhitegt]

Thank you for the advice. It gave us a warning about that. It was just pure coincidence that it happened the finish at the exact same time as we finished our dinner. 👍🏼

[@reflectionOfLyf]

You hit a pothole at 65 MPH, bam 540$ gone from your pocket. Had to replace tires 6 times in 2 years. The low profile tires with the battery weight is a disaster. My personal experience is super bad with M3P, even though it’s the best car I have owned and driven for what it’s worth over the last 20 years. Took the decision to sell it and lost 30k$ in depreciation. 😅 but it’s my personal experience, not everyone’s, I understand but I don’t have any anxiety of flat tires anymore 😅

[@davewhitegt]

@@reflectionOfLyf damn that sucks that happen to you and totally get the anxiety. Not sure how that would be any different on a Mercedes C63 or a BMW M3 that are similar sizes and weigh the same amount though. I have to say that the 18s def ride much nicer and the Hankook tire are wayyy quieter though. The depreciation is a real thing though. Fingers crossed I keep this for a while.

[@twoface696]

what was the the width and offset of the wheels?

[@davewhitegt]

@@twoface696 8.5 inch wide, I forget the offset, don’t quote me, I think +35mm

[@ZavHustles]

I’ve noticed if you change the wheels on the performance it will get almost the same range as the long range, which makes no sense

[@davewhitegt]

@@ZavHustles makes complete sense. It’s exactly what I showed in this video.

[@ZavHustles]

@@davewhitegt doesn’t the performance version have a different battery pack and electric motors? Or is it the same just tuned differently

[@davewhitegt]

@@ZavHustlessame battery pack, has one different motor. The motor in the rear is from the Plaid.

[@juju_onthebeat435]

Hi do you have a link for your wheels and covers?

[@davewhitegt]

wheelhaven.com/products/fast-wheels-ev01-satin-black-18x8-5-35-5x114-3mm-70-2mm I’m pretty sure their website wasn’t updated to 24 “highland” model. I actually had to call them to confirm. However, there’s a guy Chris that I met after I had already ordered the Fast wheels who makes factory Aero wheels in 8 inch wide that only weigh 19.4 lbs that fit the 24 M3P. They are a little bit more expensive but weight and footprint wise I bet they are even more efficient. This is his IG instagram.com/maxforgedwheels?igsh=MWtlNmViZXl0cjZwYg==

[@Marvelofebikes]

If you go into service on the screen and change tire size to 18 inch aero, that should configure you mileage range correctly

[@davewhitegt]

@@Marvelofebikes no, you can see on the pic on the screen. I already set it to the 18 inch aero wheels.

[@davewhitegt]

@@Marvelofebikes I need to start getting used to using the energy app that’s in the ui. It automatically just gives a canned number of 313 miles of range as a canned number with the 18 inch aero wheels. That’s why it’s better to go by SOC calculations. And the range predictions in the navigation screen are very different. Those calculations are complex and account for many real world factors.

[@Marvelofebikes]

@@davewhitegt good. Wasn’t sure if you did!

[@Marvelofebikes]

@@davewhitegt yes, I never use the range on top, only in the apps. Very accurate. Thinking about a battery health test as I’m hitting 36 k miles soon

[@mastergeo3006]

Do you have a link to these wheels? I've tried searching online for them with no luck.

[@abdulshabazz8597]

Beautiful quads btw!! You can update your Tesla Model 3 Performance to reflect the change in tire size: Access the Service Menu, tap on Controls > Service > Update Wheel Configuration, select your tire size, restart vehicle. Make sure the 18 inch wheels are Tesla approved to avoid any potential issues with performance or warranty.

[@davewhitegt]

@@abdulshabazz8597 it was already done in the video. You can see it’s the 18 aero wheel on the display.

[@mcunha81]

The site says these wheels are not recommended,saying there too aggressive, not sure what that means, hmm

[@davewhitegt]

@@mcunha81 what site? Wheel Haven? That’s a terrible sales strategy 🤣. I’ve had them for 3k mile with no issue.

[@mcunha81]

@@davewhitegt thnx 4 the info,wonder why they say that

[@voldar70]

Good video, but no, you don't do it correctly. You consider the EPA number in the UI (96% = 301 miles, 17% = 53 miles) and then try to add this number to the real distance you drove. That's not how it works. You should have used the Energy app in your car and lookup the remaining range based on the last 5, 15, 30 miles driven (in the consumption panel). That would have given you the real range based on the driving conditions you had.

[@vincemontana1911]

I don’t think that’s what he did. I thought he multiplied what was left by what he was averaging and added that to the miles driven. Either way, it looks like on road trips this thing can get some serious distance if needed.

[@GodOfATL]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Comanchedrive]

Nice.

[@mluu510]

don't bother looking at the mi/hr while charging, that number is absolutely useless. the KW number is more important

[@davewhitegt]

@@mluu510 yea, was just my first time using a Tesla supercharger and was astonished to see over 1k miles/hr. Good to see that it was accepting 251 kW down low in the pack.

[@HardyHempstead]

According to your rough calculation, you'll save $5000 using electric over fuel driven 100,000 miles. That doesn't calculate for battery degradation, fuel cost fluctuation and electricity price increases. I'll stick with hybrids for the cost savings.

[@davewhitegt]

@@HardyHempstead I initially didn’t look at this car for the cost savings. It just checked all the boxes that was looking for (fairly quick, zero to sixty 2.9 seconds, super quiet, adaptive suspension, comfortable). The perfect daily driver for me. It just happens that it’s efficient at the same time. Not sure how you came up with your numbers, but this is what I came up with. This video is only one long road trip of which I rarely do. I just put the 18 inch wheels on the day before this trip. I charge at home @ $.16 cents/kWh as opposed to superchargers which (in this video) are $.39 cents/kWh which I’ve never used up till this point and will hardly ever use. On the low end 227 Wh/mi = 4.4 miles/kWh 100,000 miles / 4.4 = 22,727 kWh of energy 22,727 x $.16 = $3,636 100,000 miles in a gas car at 25 MPG 100,000 miles / 25 = 4,000 gallons of fuel 4,000 x $3.25/gallon = $13,000 That’s $9,364 in saving over an ICE car over 100k miles. And this amount will grow even larger with the more local driving I do which is most of my driving. Glad you enjoy your hybrid, I actually really like what they did with the new Prius. Personally can’t stand the drone of the CVT, that was the deal breaker for me. Not to mention I’m addicted to the instant torque now. The way the two cars drive is completely different.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Your accountant may arrive at an alternate conclusion!

[@JoseDiaz-f7o]

My Tesla rarely goes into the right lane on FSD.

[@davewhitegt]

On a 3 lane highway or 2? On a two lane highway it would stay in the right lane, but on a three lane highway it would always move out of the right lane into the middle lane. It seemed to semi correct it when I chose the minimal lane change option.

[@gubiu9246]

how is the fitting

[@davewhitegt]

@@gubiu9246 fitment was right on point. Didn’t stick out or in any farther than a factory 18 inch wheel.

[@gubiu9246]

@@davewhitegt thought the brake wont fit

[@davewhitegt]

@@gubiu9246 nope, it fits

[@gubiu9246]

@@davewhitegt great，cause tesla oem 18inch winter tire rim kit said it wont fit 3 performance

[@davewhitegt]

@@gubiu9246 that’s a different wheel. The Tesla one probably won’t fit because it doesn’t have the step in the back of the wheel. These are aftermarket.