Over Jump vs Sega Rally - How Do They Compare?

[@StiffPeak]

Still hoping sega will one day release a classic arcade bundle 😅

[@effinjamieTT]

Its Sega, run by idiots, don't hold your breath.

[@enno3456]

Same. Sega Model 2 and Model 3 collection would be a dream. They did the genesis and megadrive stuff a billion times in the past. Its time for their awesome early 3d classics.

[@gamesbloke]

The closest we ever got was Virtua Racing on Switch... This port was amazing under the Sega Ages label. The whole Sega Ages range on Switch sold poorly so no chance for Model 2/3 ports. Sega binned off Sega Ages after the second batch of games released. Been wanting a port of Scud Race for over 24 years. Sega will NEVER EVER release a collection of 3D games under any circumstances. They are struggling financially at present so if it's not a certified banger it'll get dropped. I have no doubt that M2 had the 'Keys To The Kingdom' with regards to Sega IP. I'm sure they were cooking up something special for a Model 2 port. But that got sent to the Shadow Realm real quick when the Switch Ages games sold poorly. There are so many games that Sega could spend time porting just to bring in some revenue aka Sega Rally. Just put out Saturn Rally with cleaner textures. Do it for 15 quid or dollars. Boom. It's quick and not creative but it starts the process of bringing in revenue for the bigger projects. But alas they don't...

[@xkimopye]

Yep, been wanting that for years

[@mahiru20ten]

@@gamesbloke I wonder why we haven't gotten a Sega Racing Classic bundle of sorts so they could re-release Daytona USA without the Daytona name. The first Sega Racing Classic has been a thing decade ago, which was basically a remaster of the original Daytona on modern arcade hardware (of the time), whereas the second Sega Racing Classic was a remaster for Daytona 2 which was included on Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth.

[@gorofujita5767]

I feel like Over Jump would benefit from a _slightly_ more colorful color palette.

[@IronTiger]

@DoomSlingerThe developer has a background in color grading and isn’t very receptive to criticisms in that area.

[@Moh-Tor]

I miss the vibrant colors of the arcades..🚀

[@krono5el]

been dying to play a game that felt as awesome as Sega Rally since 96

[@2012JvN]

You could just have played the newer SEGA Rally on PSP or XBox360...

[@gunsharck]

@@2012JvNWell said son! I’m sick of seeing comments like that. They think the classics just disappeared. Sega rally and Saturn’s are still out there. Have a butchers at any remake vid and you’ll find an ignorant zoomer saying I missed this when the original is still available LOL

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

@@gunsharck Not only that. There were some pretty good arcade racers back in the day that weren't Sega Rally too. On the PC, the Screamer Rally series offered a similar gameplay, where you had to master the drift to get good. And I have memories of playing a similar racer against friends on a LAN party, a couple of years later and with better graphics, but I forgot the name. Not sure about later stuff, as racers weren't my main genre, and I had a huge gaming hiatus between approx. 2003-2014. But I'm sure there must have been tons of decent racers in the years between Sega Rally and present date. It's not like we hit peak Rally Racing back in '95 and then just stopped.

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

The stormy section is actually a forest fire. You can see some trees burning in the background.

[@tatecheddar]

I was kind worried when he started listing things off until he said fire. It's pretty obvious what it is.

[@Lynkk]

The author did the graphical part (the track) before completing the game mechanics.

[@SEGAGuys]

A quick note on the clouded section: SaturnDave clarified that this set-piece is reflective of the sort of controlled burns commonly done in Yosemite, which adds some context on that artistic decision. - Dan

[@mattb9664]

Sega Rally is such a good arcade game. I remember playing it a couple times at Kennywood in Pittsburgh area and couldn't believe how fair the experience felt along with how good the arcade control felt. Then girls came into the picture and suddenly I had less time for video games... at least back then.

[@EnigmaHood]

Looks great! Hope it has more than 3 tracks though

[@Ahito1984]

Sega Rally launched the hype for rally games. Everything so far comes from a common start. I owned the Saturn (stolen in my coastal house in 99) only to enjoy the game. Playing it in arcade rooms was lots of great memories

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

As a huge Sega Rally fan who played the game almost every day during the end of 1995 and most of 1996 Ican unequivocally say that this version doesn't have to be an exact match. It's been almost 30 years most Sega Rally fans won't notice much difference if it's close.

[@nrXic]

For me it comes down to how it feels when playing. I really don't mind any minor differences in the tracks and would be completely ok with all new original tracks as long as it controlled the same as the original or SR2. Even if it doesn't nail it, I do feel compelled to support the developer and all developers making homages to SEGA's finest racers. A few Virtua Racing inspired games are on their way and I feel like they are must-buys even though they don't feel like VR controls/physics wise.

[@Pegfoxx]

I love all the Sega Rally games, and Over Jump Rally looks badass. I want this game so bad lol.

[@_justtoomanygames_8857]

Original actually has a really good sense of speed.

[@PlumbDrumb]

A game with the spot-on mechanics of Sega Rally but with new tracks would be fine! The author (or community) could toss in the precisely remade tracks of the original game as a bonus. I agree with others on the muted colors.

[@SEGASaturnLad]

It’s an interesting take on the game, more of a tech demo of SEGA Rally on Unreal Engine. I don’t know the full story but the devs been getting flack by twitter users, he is just a one man dev team, I guess.

[@GamersBay]

Oh I am so ready for this game to be released! It looks like the classic Sega Rally on steroids! The whole series was great really. My favorite was Revo!

[@duman5596]

_I loved sega rally, man. I loved everything about it except one, the ai. I especially loved the songs and replay. It was a blast when it came out._

[@gunsharck]

Only 3 tracks though

[@duman5596]

@@gunsharck Four.

[@iorch82]

Looks incredible and it captures perfectly the vibes of the OG. Hopefully this eventually materializes into something worth the $$

[@Zeether77]

The dev for this has gone off the deep end as of recent and to be honest I could see the signs as soon as I found out he was trying to pitch it to Sega. It's just not gonna fly. Old School Rally, Rush Rally 3 and DDI Rally have all trounced this game as far as I can tell, and we got Parking Garage and #DRIVE Rally coming too. Dude is just too arrogant and is not getting anywhere.

[@liamh1982]

It's a strange "homage": the tightness of the track of course but the colours are too drab to give it that 90s Sega arcade vibe. Give me the 240p, 30fps and pop in of the Saturn version any day.

[@2012JvN]

Just play the original if you want to play the original!

[@liamh1982]

@@2012JvN The point I was trying to make is that while the Saturn port is compromised, it still feels like the arcade game - the presentation, the bright colours, the soundtrack, the handling. As much as it's painted as a tribute or remake or homage or whatever you want to call it, Over Jump Rally doesn't seem to have much, if any of that. If I'm not able to perform a five second long drift around the final corner of the desert course without having to worry about clattering into a fence that's far too close to the track, then it ain't Sega Rally.

[@sungjin008]

I hate to say it, but looking at the current attitude of the developer of Over Jump Rally, it seems like there will be a second Sonic Omens. Developers are ignoring important feedback. Also, Do you know what AVGN said when they reviewed Atari Jaguar? He said, "People began to care more about the graphics and less about the actual gameplay." Sigh... AVGN was right. I hope the DDI Rally Championship goes well.

[@raysyo]

Over Jump is great . The camera lens needs to be ajusted to match with Sega Rally and the balance between the camera and the car mouvements on the back car view needs to be improved to match with the original. Sega Rally ( lens focus and mouvement) camera still unmatched .

[@TheRetroMartin]

Great stuff mate. To me it just seems like he wants to make a prettier version of it his way. It's clear it's not a like for like imagining of the tracks.

[@MichaelYates]

The bonnet is to ridged, stiff needs to rattle around a little. Never been in a car that the bonnet does not move in sight when going over gravel etc. At the moment the remake looks good, but the orignal has more feel to it. Losen that bonnet and a very slightly looser suspension.

[@urracojalpa4481]

Unfortunately, if the game ever gets on the radar, Lancia and Toyota will probably shut it down, if not Sega itself.

[@Kierdziol]

Lancia will be shut down before that.

[@JRod-zr8qk]

Either way I'll be playing!!

[@Thinkofsomethingnew]

when can we expect this? It looks really good.

[@SEGAGuys]

It’s been in development for almost two years now and so far we’ve only seen the Forest track with various visual effects and music added. From what I’ve seen on X and the comments on Over Jump’s own channel, he’s looking for funding in order to finish the game. There was a playable demo released a while back, I’m unsure if it’s still available, but long story cut short - don’t expect to be playing the finished version any time soon. - James.

[@Thinkofsomethingnew]

@@SEGAGuys Thanks for the reply, I'll be waiting.

[@shinra2755]

What’s this Sega Rally documentary you mentioned? Great comparison btw.

[@SEGAGuys]

Thank you. We're talking about Pandamonium Gaming's epic 5 hour video, you can check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3SolaCQarVjoKMsi=A8qhveTL1Ys6wpFR

[@shinra2755]

@@SEGAGuys Cheers.

[@turbinegraphics16]

The car need to lean and react to the road, now its almost like its gliding. Still the unreal engine technology should allow this to be improved a lot.

[@Shyning77]

Nice comparison, Dan. The visuals look very good, especially for a one man's work, but I would like them to be a tad more colourful, and I'm not a fan of the way too distracting "fire & smoke" section. I thought the goal was just to pay an homage, thus not replicating the tracks of the original game, but since it does, it has to be as accurate as possible, and I see it's not totally the case. But the big question is : will the gameplay compare ? This has always been the most important aspect of SEGA Rally.

[@EAprima]

All I care at this point is what is happening with Over Jump Rally as it has been a VERY long time since the last update. Oh yes, the mechanics in over jump are completely off or rather not the same as Sega Rally at all. Crossing fingers for the dev to fix time, which is no easy feat.

[@tunkunrunk]

over jump rally has cockpit view only ?

[@SEGAGuys]

No, previous demos have shown the chase camera view. You can see these on Over Jump's own channel. - James.

[@DDRmails]

once again - fans shows how things should be done

[@GeordiLaForgery]

Exciting stuff, perhaps theres some legal reason he's making those changes.

[@avflashback8913]

People shouldn't be so fussy. I remember Sega rally 3 online had a recreation of the Sega Rally 1 Desert course which also wasn't 100% accurate. It didn't bother me and that was an official game. When it comes to indie devs making a recreations of classic arcade games you have to cut them a bit of slack. A dev needs to have some creative licence otherwise why bother making the game?

[@SEGAGuys]

I would say it’s fussy to be interested in whether the game design allows play as originally intended if it is marketed as a remake, it will vary between players as far as what they are specifically looking for in this sort of game. Metal Gear Solid Delta for example, steadfastly holds to the original design and animations despite them looking slightly janky with modern visuals so that the classic MGS3 gameplay is intact. Sega Rally 3 having the Desert Course was an interesting bonus, but it’s a less well regarded interpretation compared to the Saturn and Arcade originals. By the same token, Sega Rally 3 was a sequel with original content, it wasn't sold on the promise of Desert being remade, that was just an extra. The developer 100% deserves praise for what they have achieved. For this video it really was just a case of seeing how close the two were. For some getting the remake is going to come down to how closely it mimics Sega Rally, and while I do sprinkle my own opinion in there a little, ultimately whether those differences matter will depend person to person, and hopefully the video will help inform people one way or the other, and if people enjoy it, the links for the game and for the dev are in the description of the video - Dan

[@CitroenC407]

The developer of Over Jump Rally has soured me on his project (personally) but putting that aside and offering credit where it's due - Over Jump Rally really does look very pretty, looks like it runs smoothly and overall I still think it's a solid project. Won't be one I'll be buying but good luck to him in getting it over the line (if he ever does). Certainly has the potential to be a nice homage to the original arcade classic.

[@Yellowblam]

You’ve gotta give artistic license.

[@MisterBigMack]

Yeah it looks fantastic but god it’s too narrow like you said Dan

[@mrcrowley1977]

How to get this?

[@thomaselers7416]

What is Over Jump Rally running on?

[@SEGAGuys]

Thin ice, mate. 😂 - James.

[@thomaselers7416]

@@SEGAGuys 😮‍💨 I haven't heard of that system.

[@segaRPGfan]

*Finding* the fast lines is a big part of what keeps the original fun. Narrowing the track forces you more into a "correct" or rather, recommended line and it could become dull once you can drive it fast and clean. The visuals don't really do anything for me. I love the 90s Sega simple yet vibrant look. That's not represented here.

[@Archivosdelosvideojuegos]

the dust effect looks cool but makes the game feel out of place, more sutable for an horror game, colors are pale, need more saturation, also the huge trees from the beginning are not present in the og game.

[@StreetFighterAlfil]

Que gran juego de Sega!!! Ahí te sigo y recomiendo, si querés mira lo que hago. Saludos y éxitos.

[@greenEYEDdj]

Was that a simpsons reference i heard?

[@DenkyManner]

I'm all for homage and tribute games, but copying course design is a little iffy to me. Not really cool to straight up take work done by others and sell it as your own. Imo

[@1lichfield]

Over Jump Rally isn't even a real game, the geezer making it is a con artist and toxic.

[@dnn86]

I'm getting sick of these indie devs making homages (read: copy) of classic games. It's cool to be inspired but create your own damn game. As is, this looks drab and lifeless compared to the original and succeeded only in making me want to fire up Sega Rally Championship again.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

Over Jump looks drab. Sega would never make something so colourless.

[@Haulinbassracing]

I have thesega rally courses in beamNG

[@JaggedMercenary]

Great comparison, thanks. I would have liked a comparison with the Arcade version, though. As for the game, I'm not completely convinced I "need" it in my life. It looks great... But people who are interested in this game are mainly millenials who grew up with Sega Rally, and basically, when we want to feel nostalgic... we just play the original game. lol (and well, that goes for most other games too) I understand guys in my generation who always want to revive old games (I'm one of them!), but most of the time, it doesn't capture the original feeling. I would kill for a new Road Rash game, but I bet that I would be disappointed by that too. I sure was disappointed by Road Redemption.

[@davess61]

please stop using f's instead of th frough? fink? feme? widtf? firty? I can't focus on what you're saying :-(

[@SEGAGuys]

@@davess61I’m pretty sure you’re more than aware of regional accents in the UK, Dave … and if you can’t understand Dan then God help you trying to understand my Glaswegian accent, as much as I do my best to enunciate and dial back my day-to-day way of speaking 😂. - James.

[@davess61]

@@SEGAGuys I'm old James, or relatively. I just struggle to understand the way that certain letters no longer mean what they once did. It's not a regional dialect thing, in the North East in the mid 90's I first heard 'mother' becoming 'muvver' and it disturbs me to this day. I live in London now and I sound exactly like I did in the 80's and 90's. It just feels lazy? It's a youtube channel, and standards are important :D Another irritant is 'sh' used instead of a flat 's'. Hence 'strength' becomes 'shtrenf' 😕 I'm a huge SR/SR2 fan for what it's worth, I'm just a pedantic miserable git as well ;-)

[@SEGAGuys]

⁠@@davess61I can assure you the thing we aren’t is lazy, mate … I’m not sure if this is the first time you’ve watched our channel, but our output, attention to detail, and editing is something we pride ourselves on. Take a look around the channel, there’s retrospectives, shorter game focused videos and the podcasts to check out. I’ve always felt that comments calling out accents are cheap shots, and far larger creators than us fall foul of it, even more so non-native English speakers who try their best to cater to English speaking audiences. It’s far easier for people to sit behind a keyboard and complain about how others speak, than it is to put themselves out there and create content of their own. - James.

[@playsushi2559]

@@davess61- I am from the East Midlands, I work in Higher Education and have a wife who is a primary school teacher that has many SEN kids from poverty-line families who require extensive speech therapy for the issues you highlight that are no fault of their own. Me myself still have these struggles to this day with Fs and THs as I had to have speech therapy into my teens. The speech you take issue with also depends on dialects and accents as well. That said, I get the impression you can understand everything said in this video despite this, so really, you should keep these thoughts to yourself as you risk upsetting people and berating them for something that is most probably beyond their control and too late to rectify to your standards.

[@tarekwayne9193]

Ignorance is rife. There are COUNTLESS different accents and dialects within the English language, and ALL of them are valid. YOU must be versatile enough to adapt YOUR ear as opposed to demanding that people adapt their tongue to suit your conformist, prescriptive view of language. Furthermore, English is NOT a phonetically written language. Following your logic, we should pronounce Wednesday: Wed-nes-day Different vowels in birth, word, heard, absurd, instead of the same one most dialects use. Read (present tense) and Read (past simple) should also be pronounced the same with your logic. Where is the R in Colonel?? Ad infinitum Finally, heterogeneity in language pronunciation gives a language and its culture vibrance, and a color palette that reflects the deeper nuances of our respective cultures and sub cultures.

[@Canadian_Gamer]

Still kinda confused as to what this Shiro group stuff is all about. Is it a marketing company for content creators? This remake looks pretty incredible.

[@SEGAGuys]

Are you talking about us joining the SHIRO Media Group? It’s not a marketing company, it’s just the collective name for the creators who fall under the SHIRO family, which is Sega Saturn, SHIRO! as well as Pandamonium and ourselves. I put a post on our community tab explaining exactly what it means for us going forward, so feel free to head over there and check it out. - James.

[@Canadian_Gamer]

@@SEGAGuysCheers

[@LilBobSab]

Overjump rally ...I'm not so sure on this. Chatted with James on X about this as the Devs replies and communication has left me a bit sour on it. Cheers to James for friendly conversation 👍🤙✌️

[@SEGAGuys]

Thanks for watching, I appreciate that there has been heated debate with this one, but the aim here is to purely to compare the original and remade track for those interested in the detail. Thanks for the support as always - Dan

[@tudobem12]

Over Jump will never be released.... its just a asset game to get some attention for the dev

[@vacantseaofplanets]

One is a real game and the other will never be released.

[@samuelbanya]

Soul vs soulless