overanalyzing death note | pt. 05

[@mdandrews]

You know I just realized something. Light not only murders Ray, he also condemns him to whatever the “neither heaven nor hell” line Ryuk says because he made Ray use the Death Note. So if there is indeed a heaven in Death Note, Ray and Naomi did not get to be reunited in death. Brutal.

[@AlexSteenOlsen]

Damn thats cold bro

[@Aigis31]

And then, in the future, the same thing happens to Soichiro Yagami. It's fucked.

[@tfordham13]

At least light might see him ​@@Aigis31

[@tysquirt111]

@@tfordham13 It's a meaningless statement. In the Death Note universe, there is no Heaven or Hell. Humans go to a place called 'Nothingness'.

[@machinerin151]

What makes you think that FBI agents, i.e. cops, would go to heaven?

[@lovelypanda8676]

There's an explanation to Light saying "of course I won't tell my father" and it's just the anime studio messing up. In the letter Light shows his date, in which he tells her about his plans to catch the bus jacker, in the second half he did write that his father is a police officer and he learned what to do in situations like these. Since Raye reads the letter and tells Light "don't do it", now it's established for both of them that Light is the son of a cop,. But while it is written in the letter, the dub never actually says it, neither in the Japanese or the English dub, despite it being a crucial information. If you watch the anime subbed, some subs translate the entire letter, or you can always go check the manga out.

[@overanalyzinganime]

Ah! That makes sense. There was a lot written on that note - I just didn't even think to look at it with the subtitles on when I originally watched the episode. That was a great catch!

[@thenoobygamer9000]

I feel like it translated better in the manga since you would be more inclined to sit and read the letter he wrote since it's not visible for like 2 seconds.

[@Dnyn]

Thank you finally someone explained this. I always wondered wtf

[@laurynas6760]

The possesion rule is not talking about western style demon possesion. I've always interpreted its meaning to be that Ryuk owns Lites life, therefore other Shinigami cant kill Lite and free Ryuk. There fore Lite is possesed by Ryuk.

[@stormyblackheart7286]

He did kind of receive a death threat from misa's shinigami so I don't know how probable this statement is. I don't care either

[@laurynas6760]

@@stormyblackheart7286 Its not like Rem is one of two Shinigami who die for braking the rules, not like that at all.

[@terreliv]

​@Chris Taylor Or, in a way, Light is possessing Ryuk, ehehe

[@maxsync183]

@@laurynas6760 ha and tbh, its weird that they both do that over someone who... i like her but really? is the pucci that juicy? shes not exactly dumb but she is impulsive and highly emotional. maybe thats something shinigami like?

[@mattwayne9128]

No need for all that. They probably just translated what was supposed to be "haunted" as "possessed".

[@C4lmaria]

1:48 I think this was supposed to be Light pulling the stunt of an arrogant playboy teen who's throwing a shade like "i won't tell my father, because he's a police officer you know, and that could get you and the people here in reeeeal trouble"

[@overanalyzinganime]

oh, I didn't consider that. it would align with his personality. haha. dude's a total asshole.

[@C4lmaria]

@@overanalyzinganime It's a stunt tho

[@JennyShull]

By anime hot guy physicalal hotness standards Light would be a 1 or 2.

[@takashi-lee3943]

I found it so funny Raye just blew her off immediately and tells her that she should just sit around till they have kids and that it's better than being an agent; just like I'd expect that from a 50s movie

[@GMP1isReal]

Ray putting down Naomi repeatedly in their one conversation felt so out of place and sudden that it felt surreal and my only explanation to that would be to explain why the third smartest person in the first half of Death Note wasn't already helping the police. I mean, with the way Ray talks about their marriage, why wouldn't he be the one that stays at home and Naomi be the one not being an idiot in the field? It would be like Watari meeting L, and then he makes L his butler as he becomes the detective.

[@reykhan2453]

From what I remember in the BB murder case it proves that Ray is incompetent in comparison and should have been the house husband.

[@hatchedsoiree]

Honestly the only reason she was probably put as to stay at home one was because she was the woman, that's very stereotypical but you usually don't see stay at home husbands, especially during the time Death Note was created

[@AzguardMike]

its a cultural thing. In Japan women are lesser than men. Remember that terrible Bond line? "Here, men come first."

[@DarthFhenix55]

​@@hatchedsoireeThey were from the US tho they only went to Japan due to Ray's work and to visit some family members if I recall correctly. Also people are kinda ignoring the fact that Naomi was retired and also the dub makes Ray sound way more unpolite than the sub does.

[@snowarmth]

Something I noticed about the interaction between Light and Raye at 7:01 is how Light presents the event happening. He mentions someone and one second after he says he will kill them, they die. This leads Raye to assume that Kira's power is on demand, and the deaths occur with zero downtime, as opposed to how it actually works: 40s downtime and he has to write a name and know their face. So Raye thinks Kira's power is so uninteractible and broken that he can kill anyone the very instant he chooses to. In my mind, this is exactly why Raye doesn't run and scream "KIRA IS BEHIND ME" because he has a misconception over Kira's strengths, on top of being frozen and looking to save his and Naomi's life. Light set up the event happening this way, as he had to write that person's name ahead of time. That's why he says "He's here, right on time." Just beautiful display of skill, and he must've caught up to Raye and stopped him right next to the victim in question as well. Spacial Intelligence~

[@overanalyzinganime]

that is not something I even remotely considered - Raye knows absolutely nothing about how everything works. and, from his perspective, Kira really did just murder that guy without doing... anything. for all Raye knows just staring at a person does the trick. I also like that you said - "spacial intelligence;" never heard that term before, but it's also something I hadn't considered. not only did he have to roll up behind Raye the way he did - but he also needed to make it so that he called out to him at exactly the right moment. The Notebook can't account for all of that, so that's just Light being his OP self.

[@alexzero3736]

He is FBI agent! They are specifically trained to arrest dangerous criminals. And Ray just immediately loose balls?

[@dumbautisticmutt]

​@@alexzero3736 Light probably controlled his behavior with the note so that he would comply.

[@alexzero3736]

@@dumbautisticmutt that was never mentioned.it is just a plot.

[@gowiththeflow363]

Light can theoretically kill as soon as the name is down by simply adding "now" at the end.

[@Bubblegob]

The conversation between Ray and Naomi rubs you the wrong way because Oda couldn't write a female character even with a gun to his head, women get bad rep in a lot of media but Oda's women just feel offensive they're either submissive or completely superficial, when they're not both and Naomi must be the best one I've seen in his work because at least she's smart.

[@isolabarge4196]

naomi has got to be the best woman i've seen in his works. it's unfortunate.

[@chriscutler7588]

I think Ray dismissing his wife is due to this being a Japanese story, written in infamously sexist Japan. So some things of what is considered common culture can be seen in a lot of manga and anime.

[@theGECK042]

Yeah, in the time since the anime came out Japan has gone through some lengths to get women into the workforce because it was just assumed that they’d stop working when they get married. You can see the same undertone in more modern shows too, where whenever marriage is talked about, the bride talks about leaving their job and not working anymore.

[@isolabarge4196]

yeah this show has a LOT of sexism let's be real.

[@Dark_Detective]

Naomi could've had so much better than Raye

[@overanalyzinganime]

For real! I 100% agree.

[@hatchedsoiree]

I feel so bad for Ray Penber because he became a user of the Death Note without even knowing he was doing it, meaning that he won't be able to have whatever the non-Death Note user form of the afterlife is and will instead have to go through whatever Death Note users go through when he dies. It sucks.

[@wolx3226]

there is no hell nor heaven in Death Note, the place EVERYONE goes to is Mu

[@Prior2Popular]

3:13 I REALLY LOVE THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP. People just don’t even mention it, but Ray was giving SO MUCH misogynistic vibes in this scene! I figured it was so we’d feel less bad when he inevitably died? But yet Naomi’s death was super sad, so… idk

[@red_calla_lily]

Japan 20 years ago. I think that's enough of an explanation. And Death Note is, unfortunately, an especially misogynistic anime. Very few women.. and the ones that are there are either stupid or meek and entirely motivated by love for a man (Misa and Naomi)

[@AzguardMike]

its a cultural thing. You think this is bad, look at Ukraine's treatment of women. Or any Arab country, where women are forced to cover their hair and, in some countries, get herded with a stick like cattle. Where women are not even allowed to own property or work, just stay indoors and cook & clean for their master... i mean "husband"

[@hipersonicc9736]

0:20 i believe that the driver was not controlled. I feel like the victim or the notebook is aware that there is a car driving nearby and "throws" himself by "accident" to be killed by the car. I believe that, if it is possible, the death note makes the victim act in a way that gets him killed in a particular manner. It's like in episode 1 when light kills the biker, the biker just drives to a road where trucks usually drive through. If there is a truck nearby, the victim involuntarily will act in a way that looks like he died accidentally by this, and if this is impossible, the victim will die of a heart attack.

[@peppermug]

i wish my friends looked into shows this much to have in-depth conversations like this (,: i'm glad i found your channel with 12 bingeable vids, i sincerely hope you continue this good good work >:)))

[@overanalyzinganime]

that's part of the reason I made this series, actually - because my friends aren't super into this series the way I am. lol. I've seen every episode like a half dozen times and just really wanted to get some of my thoughts on paper and... well, here we are. lol. I hope you continue enjoying it - also, I just dropped a new video!

[@samtime3607]

You’re videos help me sleep, thanks.

[@overanalyzinganime]

No problem! I feel like it does function as good background noise. I’m glad they help you!

[@kiratherenegade1561]

Kira's Revenge for the Episode 2 humiliation. He not only bitch-slapped L with the messages, he destroyed any & all of his allies in 1 careful move. He changed the game from the world vs Kira, to L vs Kira.

[@damonedrington3453]

Yea honestly this move is probably up there as one of lights best plays, if not the best. Although ironically, the only smarter option was to leave Raye alone. Had light done nothing, Raye would have cleared his name. The fact that the agent assigned to Light died in different circumstances to the rest of the agents was the last clue L needed to really start honing in on Light.

[@kiratherenegade1561]

@damonedrington3453 Correct. L only underestimated just how psychotic Light was. He believed this would be enough to pressure Light. Instead, he found someone just as clever as him.

[@isolabarge4196]

it may have worked out for him in the short run but ultimately this was one of his most reckless and stupid decisions in the long run. he put himself in so much danger and only really managed to get away via sheer luck. light is definitely smart but he's not as smart as L. he relies on luck a LOT throughout this show. how convenient is it that his dad is head of the npa, that he managed to meet naomi before she could talk to L... imo it's just too many coincidences for the sake of moving the plot forward. the writer of the show even said this himself.

[@isolabarge4196]

as a woman i'm so happy you called out the sexism in this episode! i LOVE watching so many analysis of different anime on youtube by all sorts of creators but a majority of those creators are male and generally fail to mention these types of issues. it makes me so happy to see a male content creator speaking up against these horrible stereotypes! i appreciate it so much. i absolutely love your content man.

[@josaraguevara9423]

I’ve always had the theory that the note will possess the target until their death. In cases like this where “accident” is written down, it could be as simple as a numbers game, statistically speaking, if you’ve failed to hijack a vehicle, chances are you’ll flee the scene, in that case, since the bus drives with the door to the side of traffic, it is highly likely that in fleeing you could trip and be run over by a vehicle. Another option could’ve been to simply trip and crack his head open. Choking on saliva, or a myriad of other accidental deaths. So the rest of the world isn’t affected , it’s just whatever’s most likely to happen AND to answer the previous question of what if the bus broke down or some other event happened to make it impossible for the busjacker to proceed with what the note had written on it, well, it’s simple. He’d just die uneventfully. Recall if something is impossible in the note from what is happening in reality then the person simply dies of a heart attack. No resistance or seemingly attempts at the intended sequence of events specified. So if let’s say the bus were full when Light and co. Got on, the driver wouldn’t have picked up the jacker bc there wouldn’t have been space for him so he would’ve just seen the bus pass by and then in forty seconds or so, dropped dead , potentially giving away Light as Kira with a heart attack in his immediate vicinity. That’s also probably why Light tells himself everything should be ok with his plan when counting the passengers in his head. Bc chances are, if there would’ve been enough things to restrict the jacking incident then this guy could’ve just died of a heart attack without getting Raye’s ID or keeping himself clear of suspicion

[@rolandmaxwell3282]

I love this dudes content!!! keep up the awesome work bro

[@overanalyzinganime]

thanks! I appreciate it more than you know!

[@caiocaf1]

I kept thinking about the Death Note rule at 11:24 and how it can be circumvented: Imagine that the person with the name written in the Death Note is someone who, if he dies, compromises the lives of other people (like an airplane pilot or Miles Dyson in Terminator 2).

[@overanalyzinganime]

That’s such a good catch, honestly! Because you can’t say for certainty that one persons death won’t effect another persons because it’s all contingent on what that person is doing at the time. If it was an airplane pilot, like you suggested, then regardless of how you kill them, their death is gonna impact other people.

[@caiocaf1]

@@overanalyzinganime I'm loving your channel, even without understanding fluent English. Keep up your amazing videos.

[@dumbautisticmutt]

​@overanalyzing anime I think the death would be postponed until the plane landed.

[@PunkZombie1300]

​@@overanalyzinganime To be fair, in the case of a pilot I imagine they have backup pilots (I assume the co-pilot would take over, not sure if there'd be another co-pilot to get in the cockpit and help), though then I suppose the question goes to what if you killed all of the pilots/staff? I imagine a couple of possibilities, first is considering the supernatural elements of the Death Note it's possible there will always be someone on board who could pilot the plane (either a staff member or a passenger) who would allow it to land safely, or the plane would crash land but everyone whose name wasn't written down would survive (possibly uninjured depending on the exact rules). Alternatively, as another person said, those written down would die after the plane landed safely, or at least one person would survive until then. Though I do wonder to what extent that rule applies. Like, say someone's significant other is killed by the Death Note, and their death leads that person to kill themselves. Would that count as the DN killing multiple people with just one name?

[@CompassRoseGaming]

​@@PunkZombie1300That would not count. Because the Death Note rules acknowledge that killing one will affect the lifespans of another. The rule only functions to prevent someone from cheating the system by killing a critical person to take out someone else you don't know directly, but the after effects of the notebook are based on human autonomy

[@PrinceBaraButterfly]

I'll be honest, the comment about how Raye talks to Naomi is a pretty fucking solid example of why I feel that Ohba writes decently, but his thoughts on women in multiple manga (Bakuman and Platinum End, along with Death Note) is absolute GARBAGE

[@robobrain10000]

I didn't realize how brilliant this episode was until you broke it down. Like, now that you mention it, it makes sense why Ray was acting like a total idiot during this encounter.

[@MediumDSpeaks]

Absolute king. Honestly I don't even care who does these nor what they say, but watching ANYONE scene by scene break down every episode of the plot of the best shows ever made, avatar, death note, certainly full metal alchemist next, I will watch. They could be saying Naz --- i propaganda and I don't care i wanna re-watch with this random internet friend. As long as you don't stop you'll make money.

[@boneappletea3858]

1:38 I think it makes sense that, in saying he'll keep their interaction a secret, it especially includes not telling his dad since he's the chief of police. If he hadn't, it's reasonable to expect that the agent may have had significant worries about it and may have said something to that effect himself.

[@adamdale7314]

I just realized, at the point when Naomi was trying to help Ray... it would have made a lot more sense if Ray was under the effects of the notebook.

[@adamdale7314]

I know it's not the case because that conversation happens almost right after the bus jacking, but it would have explained a lot.

[@Pingvinuz]

Just found your channel by searching overanalyzing anime and benched every episode. Love the content. Surprised you haven't been blessed by the algorithm yet.

[@overanalyzinganime]

probably because I haven't been posting. lol. -- but, I did just drop a new video today if you wanna check it out!

[@Pingvinuz]

@@overanalyzinganime will do right now :D

[@marc3940]

Enveloping the death note page inside regular paper probably isn‘t so much about Ray not seeing Ryuk, since he could just stay out of sight, just like Light, but more so about covering the causes of dead which Light had already written down. If Ray saw those he‘d be a lot less likely to write down any names. Him not Ryuk was most definitely a desired effect aswell, but I guess not the primary reason.

[@yct12]

Naomi was an FBI agent that messed up big time and stopped working, but L gets in tpuch with her to get her help solving the Los Angeles Beyond Birthday case (mentioned by L when he hears about her death). Which is the reason why she is known as an exellent agent now. This takes place in Death Note: Another Note.

[@Shiruvi]

i sometimes wonder that in a very early draft of this mini-arc, naomi was meant to be pregnant. that would explain how he treats her a little more - he's letting his own fear as a soon-to-be father and anxiety over his wife somehow being harmed by this too override his common sense with a need to prove himself as a protector, feeding into the overall motif of how even well-intended pride can destroy you. but then someone was like 'hey we probably shouldn't let light murder someone pregnant huh', which is fair, and it got scrapped. but the general tone never changed, so he looks like a sexist bore even within the context of a pretty sexist series.

[@damonedrington3453]

I think the main reason they scraped it wasn’t even necessarily morality, but because using the death note on a pregnant woman opens up just… so many questions. Like the death note can’t kill anyone under 720 days, so the baby should survive as mom dies. But that would inevitably kill baby. BUT you also have the problem that you can’t have someone’s death cause another, otherwise said person dies of a heart attack. But that’s also exactly what would kill the baby and… it just gets weird.

[@diamondsfanj]

Your whole guesses about the driver being in a trance, car being under the influence, 😂 “okay, bitch, settle down” Well, she quit because of her husband too, right? Though I can’t imagine why she fell in love with him, so condescending.

[@overanalyzinganime]

I know right! Dude was super condescending. Like, I just don't get why she'd put up with something like that. I don't even really understand how the two could have started their relationship at work - because, I just can't imagine her submitting to him in an Office setting like that. I feel like she wouldn't be respected if she was letting a coworker (that she was also dating) talk to her like that in the Office, know what I mean? It seems like a weird kind of contradiction to her character to have her described as one of the best FBI Agents (and to prove that she is in the following episode), but then also see her being talked down to by someone who used to be her peer. Unless he was her boss? In which case, proposing to her and then suggesting she Quit is... uh, problematic, to say the least. Lol.

[@midnightblue1975]

I headcanon that she was into retiring because her last big case traumatised her. She wanted a family etc. Really though it’s probably japanese cultural expectations and not thinking about What Women Want all that hard.

[@RetroRageasaurus]

0:21 I appreciate u asking the questions my younger self didn't XD

[@PatrickPitso]

10:10 The human owner of a death note cannot manipulate another human to go suicide himself amongst a crowd or to kill someone whose name is not specified. The moment anything like that is written down, the victim will die of a heart attack. The victim will die alone and not impact the lives of others. Light cannot make a victim bomb people or shoot people whose identities he does not know I find it strange that Light can manipulate a FBI agent to unknowingly write names of his fbi colleagues on a peace of the death note and unknowingly kill them

[@rosestar1324]

I just wanna say, L is so lucky none of the remaining detectives was Kira, cuz he goes ahead and shows his face to all of them and he could have easily died much sooner than he did from that move.

[@admissful8180]

none of them knew L’s real name so they wouldn’t have been able to kill him with the death note

[@JennyShull]

Unless they had Shinigami eyes or did some research on L or both. They could have written L’s name after the meeting.

[@chrysshawkey3158]

It's said once (much) later in the series, but the mother's name is Sachiko.

[@overanalyzinganime]

Thank-you! I came to find out that they finally mentioned it in Episode 11, when the Chief was in the hospital.

[@jackcomfy301]

i feel like raye not turning around can be explained by one thing- he's an american agent. his instinct was most likely "obey, this person has a gun" and logic (knowing japans strict gun policies) probably couldnt erase that fear from his mind. and then light proves he's kira and raye effectively knows for certain he has a metaphysical gun to his head. but i think that was likely his immediate reaction

[@poisonpenfairy2844]

So glad you brought up how weird Rays treatment of Niomi is! OMG I get in Japanese culture women are expected to be more submissive but they were living in the US so that doesn't even work as an excuse. HOW did they get together?? And OMG she works her ass off to be one of the 'best agents' to the point L himself recognises her abilities and she just.....quits because her boyfriend wants a housewife???? And after making that HUGE sacrifice he talks to her like that because, what, he feels threatened she might have an opinion on the case?? I love death note but it does not know how it handle female characters

[@overanalyzinganime]

Yeah, Death Note is very well written… but, as with many Shonen titles, it’s treatment of women could be better. Naomi is the best female character on the show, I feel - and she’s removed from the story in a couple of episodes. Outside of her you have Miss and Takada… and, while successful at what they do, they’re ultimately just simps for Light, which kinda sucks. I know there’s the one Agent who works for Near, but she’s hardly fleshed out, from what I remember.

[@johnnycash5684]

My understanding is that he is half Japanese. So it's possible with having certain Japanese roots, he grew up in a conservative type of household, even in the United States.Just headcannon though. But yeah, Death note is pretty bad at writing women consistently.

[@VidelxSpopovich]

Women aren’t people.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

Way to take the absolute worst interpretation, lmao.

[@isolabarge4196]

@@KaNoMikoProductions i mean like this is exactly how it works in real life you wouldn't understand what it's like unless you were a woman. don't act surprised

[@eyesoftomorrow6647]

17:06 theres actually a whole side manga for her and L where they work together to stop another series of murders

[@JennyShull]

Before Birthday case?

[@gowiththeflow363]

I think the clause at the end of the rule "*even* if that human is not the owner of the Death Note." I think this is a funny and subtle way to foreshadow the usage of this rule between Light and Misa before, over the kira tapes and when they do meet.

[@AirDrifter77]

You're going places man, I enjoyed watching your videos

[@overanalyzinganime]

Yoooo! Thank-you so much! I hope you continue enjoying the videos!

[@rosestar1324]

Yo that theory of Light having written Rey's name down in the Death Note is a really good idea and one I haven't considered. I always assumed Light somehow knew Rey was gonna ride the train through some other means but that does answer the question I always wondered: how did Light time the death of that guy mopping the floor so that Rey would be there to see it. Now it's obvious that Light had written his name down and wrote that Rey would arrive at the station before Rey arrived at the station. Now I'm curious as to how much detail did he write.

[@DhirC35]

I like that the name is overanalyzing anime but for stuff that actually needs overanalyzing, it gets brushed over and bro takes a while to rant about ray telling his wife to not worry about the case lol

[@overanalyzinganime]

I can’t even argue with’cha on that one. Lol. I feel I do a better job in later videos - but I’m probably just a weebit bias.

[@DhirC35]

@@overanalyzinganime yes for sure. Im kinda watching it randomly. Morely waiting for after ep 25 cuz thats where the series lost me honestly lol

[@nelsama0881]

Naomi deserved better. Much better.

[@ashtherotatercuff]

something that i noticed at 1:52 is that raye is an fbi agent so him just being in japan is a pretty big abnormality so light probably thought about this and deciding to tell him isnt that dumb

[@black-redpill3]

Ray is an anime Himbo. His 15 different layers of incompitency through the entire ordeal lead to all these other messes, including his own death.

[@comedian94]

Light did not write down Rays' name until after Ray wrote down the names of all the fbi agents because, the cause of death in the death note can not kill people not written down and can't cause collateral. This rule prevents Light from merely assassinating L later on. "Even if only one name is written in the Death Note, if the victim's death causes other humans that are not written in it to die, the cause of death will default to a heart attack."

[@overanalyzinganime]

While I do agree with you that the rules do state that you can’t have someone under control of the notebook willingly kill anyone else - that’s not “technically” what Light did. He just had Raye ‘write down a few names on a piece of paper.’ Why this was able to work? I can’t say. But it’s the only thing that makes sense because Light knew both when and where Raye Penber would show up. Not only that, but he also had a criminal lined up and ready to die right in front of Raye to illustrate that he was, in fact, Kira. Also, this is confirmed at the end of chapter 9 of the manga. You can see that Light wrote, “takes his laptop to underground city cafe; gets on the train; dies three seconds after getting off.”

[@comedian94]

@@overanalyzinganime I did not know that it was intended for Light to have written Rays' name beforehand. I would still call this a plot hole since the conditions for Rays' death (going to the underground with his laptop) directly lead to 12 other people dying.

[@RK-qi4tv]

@@comedian94 he wasn't forced to write by the book, light simply convinced him. So no rules broken. Then again we don't know how that rule would have worked with a death note. For all we know it could be referring to deaths caused by means other than a death note. After all it is the only thing that can kill people before their intended lifespan but only when used directly on them.

[@rosestar1324]

I think Light did write Rey's name down. He could have said Rey died at 5pm and then at 4:30pm tell Rey to write down those other people's names. No one was saying Light wrote "Rey will use the Note to kill other people."

[@dylanyarka4708]

The only harm I could see in him listening to her is that maybe he wants to keep the case off of her mind to keep from tempting her back into it? Other than that though this anime is full of misogyny.

[@INCAnitysy]

Just because women simp for light the show is misogynistic?

[@DowntownTasty]

Light missed a huge opportunity with ray pember. He could’ve just written him down after and controlled him for awhile. Caused ray to write down he was suspicious of someone else. Controlled him to not tell anybody anything. Etc.

[@silly_goob]

Yes! It would make life so much harder for L if Pember died after reporting that someone other than Light is suspicious. Like, in canon L deduced that even though Penber died a week after Light stopped being followed, Light could just wait a week before killing Ray, and it was so much easier for L to suspect only people from Yagami and Kimura households instead of all the police. But if Pember reported to L more than just "this Yagami boy isn't Kira" it would just mess up the investigation more. Penber could write that he remembered one of his previous suspects doing something shady, he could even write a theory that L himself may be Kira! And then, when Pember's death starts to be investigated and the police gets involved, they can get even more suspicious of L and even demand for him to be under surveillance. Though, how useful Pember can be under the influence of Death Note is debatable as he can just die on a spot if he can't come up with a thought that Light wants him to think.

[@MediumDSpeaks]

How did Ray Penber have internet connection to receive the email IN THE SUBWAY in TWO THOUSAND AND SIX?!? THIS IS A PLACE THAT FAMOUSLY IS UNDERGROUND WITHOUT SIGNAL AND WIFI IS NOT COMMON IN WEALTHY HOUSES YET, LET ALONE PUBLIC PLACES

[@neonclouds9295]

Putting the pages of the death note in other envelopes with boxes cut out of them was a 200iq move imo, if ray touched the bare paper he would hsve seen riyuk and light would have been exposed

[@theyoungknight.3119]

I’m a benefit of the doubt kind of guy so I like to think Ray just wanted to protect his fiancé by discouraging her from getting involved in any way.

[@kazekamiha]

My understanding is Raye's attitude is/was more common in Japan. Which doesn't make sense with someone who's American...

[@overanalyzinganime]

Yes! I agree that this sort of dynamic might be indicative of relationships in Japan - but dudes from America, so it doesn’t make any sense at all.

[@kazekamiha]

@@overanalyzinganime A case of the makers were from Japan. If I were to do a rewrite of him I'd tone down the whole 'Stay in the Kitchen' aspect *but* keep it a bit; maybe his last love was also an inspector/detective who died on the job and he doesn't want to go through that a second time. Would make his attitude a little more forgivable.

[@johnnycash5684]

I think he was half Japanese, so it's possible that he grew up with some conservative Japanese cultures instilled in him, even living in the United States. Headcannon though.

[@jrreedve2825]

Why WHY is no one talking about the most fucked up thing Light did to Raye. By using the Death Note, Raye can neither go to *heaven* nor *hell* Aka the *afterlife* his fiancé will go to when she died. Plus, for those of you who are reading ahead, the fate waiting anyone who uses the Death Note.

[@ShimmyMD]

Love your channel! I just finished DeathNote for the 3rd time. Last saw it years ago. After watching it now I’ve been trying to find good analysis content and finally came across one! Also love the jokes 😂

[@overanalyzinganime]

I’m so glad! I always wanted this to be like something people could enjoy after watching the series, and to see that you’re doing that is fucking awesome! Lol. I hope you continue to enjoy them!

[@ThatManChris22]

Ray treats her like that because he doesn’t want her risking her life by contributing to the Kira case (not that he doesn’t respect her detective skills) 3:20

[@ClockworkBlade]

Light could have optimized the bus jacker's death and the agent's deaths. With the bus Jacker have him slowly bleed and get saved by an ambulance which reduces suspicion, have him survive in a coma, then have him die from medical complications a few weeks later. With the agents, have them all die at random dates and times over the next week or so (and make it so they only open and respond to the email just before death) to make it seem like Kira was finding them 1 by 1 which would also help cover his trail, heck even toss on some of the cops investigating Kira (and one or two cops who quit the kira investigation) to send a message and disrupt their investigation for a while.

[@tornboi5868]

I think the reason that the pages of the Death Note were covered was not to prevent Ray from seeing Ryuk (who wasn't on the train), but so that Ray couldn't see the conditions of death that Light wrote, therefore giving him a more proper understanding of how Kira kills.

[@JennyShull]

To Light Since Ray died it probably did not matter that Ray found out how Kira killed. Just like it did not matter to Light that Ray saw him as the doors closed on Rays death. I’m surprised no one noticed Light looking at Ray as he died.

[@stanleyharno4534]

Honestly Ray is one of the biggest plot holes in Death note. The fact that an FBI agent entrusted with spying on Kira suspect by L himself wouldn't report the bus incident to anyone is not very believeable but okay, let's say it's possible. However Light's entire brilliant keikaku falls apart if this is not the case and he absolutely should not assume it is.

[@theyoungknight.3119]

If a certain fan fiction is canon than Light sent Ray to probably the worst fate of all his victims.

[@illiminatiihtiyarheyeti7002]

you do not get it 7:10 he already written ray penbars name and giving details such might prevent that kind of possibilities and assure that he will behave according to plan

[@Thorough__]

i would like to tell you that you are my favorite yapper and no one comes close

[@Lady_Maria-2007]

Raye’s entire death was just 😩👌

[@hinokamii4320]

iirc walkie talkies have some dumb law in japan, light having a toy one makes sense cus he prolly can’t buy a legally compliant one

[@yahyahyor]

i fell like it was an instant change in the future or probability, rather than influencing other people directly. but.. because it's something they could do, like the rules in the death note say.

[@JennyShull]

Imagine trying to in a court of law prove a note book has a power to physically kill someone by having names written in it.

[@benny6934]

your videos have been in my recommendations lately and i can't help but think the title is a deez nuts joke setup

[@overanalyzinganime]

lmao. I might need to find a better title for these then.

[@lanthelancer]

Hold on, L should have immediately picked up on the fact that the guy sweeping the floor had a heart attack. Two people having a heart attack (Ray and the sweeper) in the same location would have been incredibly suspicious when you know that’s Kira’s M.O. So the fact Ray Pember was a person of interest and that the people he was investigating should be examined should have been obvious from the start.

[@jkalaniannyoung]

light was controlling Raye, he wasn’t just freezing. he literally could not turn around or disobey, it was all written out.

[@milkmanent6070]

About her being more mild mannered; it does fit in to her character. There’s a whole light novel about her and L solving a case before the events of Death Note.

[@AmitCinematicUniverse]

What if Light only prepared like 30 name slots, and there were 32 agents on the case?

[@esmineldraaybara6975]

Raye kinda digs his own grave in the beginning. Light broadly mentions that he is holding Raye's family hostage. That is such a vague threat, everyone has a family. Light says he has been investigating Raye. This makes Raye think he's implying about Naomi and the reason he decided to work on the case in Japan (for their marriage). So he slips up and says "How do you know about her?" and this gives the rest of Light's claims substance, despite being untruthful.

[@hamazoon.]

15:17 I think the author does this on purpose in order to keep his morals and feelings about his family members ambiguous

[@Takublastinsubs]

This is dope. Deathnote music would have made this fit the theme alot more. Beat is dope thoo

[@overanalyzinganime]

I was confused by your comment at first, because I thought you were talking about my outro song. I honestly forgot that I used to have music playing throughout my older videos. Lol. But, you're right! It would have been better to have done that - I think I was just afraid of copyright issues with the music (even though, realistically, I've heard the music used in dozens of other videos with waaaaay more views than mine. Also, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

[@seaoftra]

If Light wrote that ray penber will comply to anything light says there is no risk, but we see some hesitation and inner monologue like "i know this voice", its not all robotic and dead like with his girlfriend. And the fact that light had to prove that he is kira by killing that guy would make no sense if he wrote that ray would comply to anything. He wrote something, most likely just when he is going to show up, not sure why he didnt write something else, maybe just to get a thrill of outsmarting them.

[@SnaccHBG]

Okay I kinda used to feel bad for Ray dying but he's sexist??? I somehow don't remember that detail. Off with his heart!

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

3:45 fair as fuck, raye was being an abrasive dickhead here, only reason he died at all

[@mrsnipermask936]

Lmao OMG this ain't supposed to be this damn funny but I can't stop laughing at. Ray ded as fuck 😂

[@AugustRx]

L trusting only the officers that didn't leave is so dumb bcoz if Kira or a mole of kira was in the police squad, he would not leave the Kira investigation unit

[@b_tzoker]

Love the videos, you should do a break down of the manga

[@overanalyzinganime]

I would, but there’s actually a super long video like that currently on YT called “A World Without Light.” I haven’t watched the whole thing yet, but his section on the BB murder case was really good! Also, thank-you for the compliment! I hope you continue enjoying the vids!

[@dorohime7001]

"I can't imagine a mild mannnered woman rising up the ranks in the FBI." She's a recovering workaholic. That's why he can't entertain or take advice from her. It's more for her sake, I think.

[@lsixty30]

It's hard for us to wrap our heads around but there are actually women who want to be a mother and housewife more than keep a career. Shocking.

[@24601st]

does the rule about people who use the death note not going to heaven/hell apply to raye? or would it only affect explicit owners of the notebook

[@overanalyzinganime]

Now that’s a good question! I’m thinking he wouldn’t be able to go to Heaven or He’ll because, even though he didn’t technically even *touch* the notebook itself, he still wrote those names down.

[@dumbautisticmutt]

It's "those who use the notebook" and Raye indeed used it

[@petermario3842]

I think it's interesting how you and others in the comments don't get Raye and Naomi's situation. She isn't an agent anymore, this was her own decision. She wants to start a family with Raye and the only way to do it is if she's not constantly stressed by the work of an FBI agent. If she wanna leave her old life so badly, not allowing her to get involved in any way is the best decision for her but for them as a couple in general. You literally show the scene in which he says, that as soon as they get kids and become a real family, she won't have time for this stuff anyway. It's mad obvious that he forces all the responsibility on himself to look out for her. Most retired agents have PTSD or some form of anxiety disorder. If your partner tries to forget all of that shit, would you really involve her in a killer case? Probably not unless you're really desperate and that's not the case here. Raye's investigation was finished and the conclusion was that Light is likely innocent so for Raye, the situation is pretty much done. He did his job and there was not a single reason to burden her with something that isn't even his job anymore.

[@theendofthestart8179]

wait so all he had to do was write fake names

[@BilboBaggMan]

3:25 wait are you no longer a mellenial lviing in in the current year? what does this even mean haha

[@overanalyzinganime]

Fair point. Lmao. What I was trying to say was that perhaps it’s my outlook on things as a close to thirty year old in 2022 that’s shaping my outlook on this; whereas, maybe in my late teens, back in 2012, for example, I wouldn’t have thought anything of it. I hope that makes more sense. Lol.

[@BilboBaggMan]

@@overanalyzinganime thank you for the context! I'm literally finishing the video right now lmao 🤣

[@herry_bals]

enjoyable video ^^

[@overanalyzinganime]

Thank-you so much!

[@kylespevak6781]

"Overanalyzing death note" idk the mom's name

[@overanalyzinganime]

Lol. Fair point. I try to take the information as it’s presented. The mom’s name hadn’t been revealed at that point, thus, I didn’t know her name. But, when/if you get to the video for Episode 11, it’s revealed there.

[@jamesfitzgerald3809]

Can we all agree that Light didn't need to kill Ray at all and shouldn't have and was a big blunder

[@overanalyzinganime]

100% he shouldn't have.

[@AmitCinematicUniverse]

Can you also cover the live-action Japanese movies?

[@jcaseyjones2829]

Isn't there a rule against using the Note to control someone in a way that kills others? You can't write "on blah blah day at blah blah pm bob shoots his wife and then himself". Otherwise so many other situations in the series would break. "Dad writes mellos name in the notebook and then succumbs to his injuries peacefully" "Mikami writes the names of the task force and nears group in the real notebook" "Matsuda shoots L right in the face"

[@jcaseyjones2829]

Ok, you kinda addressed it, but it still doesn't help. If you write that raye is compelled to follow the orders of kira then needing to convince him is out the window.

[@calamaria9221]

Another reason the walkie talkie being cheap is because he's going to throw them away anyway. Why get expensive ones when cheap ones will work just as well for this one time use.

[@JennyShull]

Ryuk said the tv Light used and threw away was expensive.

[@maxime2445]

Ray penber not listening could just be that he's too fatigued. He's been tailing light all week and was in a shit situation. So he blew her off because he was tired.

[@JennyShull]

Understandable but not a good excuse to snap at someone.

[@cordenhuman]

No this episode is even more stupid imo, there has to be surveillance cameras in the area where Light confronts Raye, and at least one of them must have captured Light or at least Raye around the time Light walks up behind him, Light killed a random person there and L and the police knew that Raye was there because that's where he walked on to the train and where he got the brief, so to check the footage around this random person dying of a random heart attack, and looking for Raye in the area, would be very logical, and then they should have been able to get a clue on Kira, but regardless, killing Raye in the first place is just dumb, Light had clearly demonstrated he could continue doing his thing while under surveillance without raising suspicion, and if he just continued to do that, raye would eventually move on to another suspect and he would be almost completely cleared of suspicion

[@iTz_GSWAG]

I’m sure Light didn’t want several fbi agents in his vicinity, killing raye wasn’t stupid at all. And even if they had conveniently checked up on raye for whatever reason it doesn’t give solid proof of light being kira. The death of that random and light boarding the subway happened in the span of 10 minutes, it’s not enough time to put two and two together. I don’t even think L would have gotten informed about that death quickly because that man was not a criminal. They were primarily focused of the number of inmates death in prison

[@cordenhuman]

@@iTz_GSWAG if you have 10 fbi agents looking for you and they all suddenly die, how do you think fbi and police are going to respond, the logical response is OBVIOUSLY to realize that Kira is an enourmous threat and to put 100x as many resources into finding him, the only way for Kira to ever survive would be to go as lowkey as possible and hide all his crimes and make them all seem like accidents/unrelated to him and raise as little supsicion as possible, KILLING THOSE FBI AGENTS WAS OBVIOUSLY STUPID AF

[@ww.loveiseverywherecom8402]

You need more views 💀

[@overanalyzinganime]

lol. I'm honestly surprised I have this many. Y'all seem to really fuck with me, and I'm super appreciative of you all.

[@dotnask0001]

is the audio only broken for me?

[@overanalyzinganime]

Hey, there! Broken in what way?

[@dotnask0001]

@@overanalyzinganime The left speaker is stronger than the right

[@overanalyzinganime]

Interesting. I’m not hearing it, but these older videos were made with a pretty janky microphone, so it might honestly be the case. Sorry that it’s messing up, though!

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

The conversation between Raye and Naomi always made sense to me. They love each other and want to have a family. However, they are also both career people who love their job, and so they had the typical conversation of, "okay, so how do we do this?" which resulted in the agreement that Raye keeps working and Naomi drops out of the FBI and takes care of the kids. Of course, Naomi is conflicted about this, because she can't have her cake and eat it too. There are two things she wants and she can't have both. So in order to transition her to her new life, they agreed that she wouldn't indulge herself in FBI work. That is why Raye stops her, because he sees it as her struggling to let go of her work, and that having her help him would just make things harder. Something she, again, presumably agrees on in principle, but understandably finds hard in practice.

[@sindju]

thanks for calling out the misogyny

[@3I6P4P1]

*cough* cuz she’s a woman 😭😭😭

[@lipika2841]

A little random to comment this but I desired that Light wore better drip more often like his black & white shirt from ep.10 & he definitely shouldnt wear his bland ass white-only shirt (the tie makes it less bad). I mean he's got a good design & look regardless, but I'd be able to like his design more w that. Look how Lelouch's drip is. Light, learn from him! 🤣

[@JennyShull]

I don’t think Light cares about wearing fashionable clothes.

[@lipika2841]

@@JennyShull Yeah? I know that, so I was mostly joking & I thought others might be able to tell just by the laughing emoji at the end, but I guess not. I also commented this during when Code Geass 1st caught my lil interest &, like others, couldn't resist making comparisons between the shows.

[@jobber7497]

Attack on Titan next pls?

[@TheSkullConference]

Honestly, you are thinking far too into how accidental deaths work it actually makes me groan. Don't get me wrong, a lot of things in this show needed some explanation and like you've stated before a lot of it straight up makes no sense due to writer mistake. That being said, we already know the Death Note can influence people, and we know that there are certain parameters it cannot defy. So it does what it must in the most efficient way with as much preparation as it needs, including probably having precognition. It's a godlike force after all and probably doesn't view fate and time the same way we do. But trying to figure out the specifics as it applies to all cases makes no sense. It doesn't JUST influence people, but obviously the environment as well.

[@JoseOrellana-l1w]

Sweet but deadly