Overanalyzing Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back Part 4

[@kdusel1991]

Babe wake up new overanalyzing ESB video just dropped! Also the moment when Vader reveals that he's Luke's father is still one of the greatest twists of all time! I love it so much!

[@cozyburrito686]

@kdusel1991 Agreed!! It still is just perfect Star Wars!

[@DenDhur]

"The force is with you young Skywalker, but you're not a Jedi yet." Still gives me shivers, the whole vibe is just off the charts

[@white-dragon4424]

0:05 Cloud Cars aren't space ships. 4:41 It wasn't Leia. It was a new character who'd appear in the then planned Sequel Trilogy. It was going to be Luke's hidden sister called Nellith, who'd be in training on the other side of the galaxy. 4:57 I've argued this point MANY times with Lucas gushers, ones who insist that Leia was always supposed to be "The Other" because of this scene. Leia WASN'T using the Force when she heard Luke communicating with her. Luke was the one using the Force to communicate with her using telepathy. It only takes the sender to have telepathic powers, NOT the recipient. Why did Luke communicate with Leia, I hear you ask? Who else could help him in that situation? He didn't know or trust Lando, and communicating with Chewbacca would've been silly. 5:53 The big question is why would Vader sit at a conventional dinner table when he doesn't have the ability to eat or drink without a sealed meditation chamber. 7:50 In universe that was supposed to be Fett, accompanied by Stormtroopers. The EU even explains why we see an IG-88 droid wrecked in the chamber. Fett had just destroyed it when 3PO stumbled in. Supposedly, it was another IG-88 unit that the one we saw earlier had sent to Cloud City to catch Han. 8:52 Vader was torturing Han because he knew that Luke would sense his pain, just as we saw on Dagobah. It was his way to draw him into his trap. 9:41 Another clumsy retcon, this time from a cartoon made 20+ years after ESB was made. When this movie was made humans were rarely if ever frozen in carbonite, and it was seen as highly unlikely that they could survive the process. 9:55 Who says they were killed? What, is the armour they're wearing made of chewing gum or something? And even if they were killed, Stormtroopers are considered to be expendable assets by the Empire.

[@FormulaShorts]

The best part of my Friday!

[@starwarsoveranalyzed]

Enjoy!

[@philippeamon7271]

3:36 It's not really about untrained. When Jedi tap into the Dark Side during Imbalance, they need to "clean themselves" extensively, in order to escape the addictive, "gravitational" pull of the dominant Dark Side pattern. Dooku neglected this, because he saw the Jedi Order as abusers of the Force (it partially controls your actions, AND obeys your commands - it's hard to tell what's chicken and what's egg). And the Jedi Order were part to the Imbalance, so he was right in that sense. But he still fell due to the strong bi-directionality of the Force. Like Mace Windu had to join the Jedi, too, even though he didn't like it - he would have been corrupted if he tried going it alone. Yoda only knows how this works in Imbalance, it's all he's ever witnessed, and why he set the Jedi Order up that way. He is rightfully paranoid about it. But it's not about turning quickly, it is about the certainty of it. Force Ghosts are the Force - communicating to sentient beings through a concept of post-mortality, that can be understood and not shatter the mind. So yeah, Force Ghost Obi-Wan is a reflection from Luke, who knows (even if he's not allowed to say so) what Luke experienced in the cave - "he" knew that Vader was seen to (want to) turn Luke into Vader 2.0. Luke didn't quite understand the lesson, at the time - didn't want to think, he could become the most evil guy in the galaxy. And yes, they cannot haunt the Force users that killed them - their image would simply be blocked. They also couldn't manifest on Exegol, but Rey could pack them in her head, through her wish powers. Obi-Wan also died on the first Death Star, to trap his energy there, so he could help make the eventual attack a 1/1.000.000 success. That phenomenon is very similar to the so-called Dark Side Ghosts, (e.g. Bane) whose manifestations are embedded in and bound to (one or several) specific locations, and can't "visit their friends". Luke and Leia incest because it is a common confusion that happens in real life, when estranged siblings meet - something just clicks, and people assume is a sign from the lust gods, that they should get their freak on. I'm pretty sure Lucas put it in there, because he regretted making the hero of the story a dehumanizing, objectifying incel whackjob, who masturbates over every single "pretty girl" he sees on the holo-viewer. Someone must have mentioned to him, that it's not normal to have such a possessive, abusive and entitled attitude towards people of the opposite gender, and a bit too gross, even for an 80s hero. The ugnauts make the same mistake as the ewoks - they see "gold" (that's how it is shown to us), and immediately worship it. Chewbacca likely understands these "children" are just a bit more stupid than he is, and doesn't want to hurt them for it.

[@javierservigon]

I think I read somewhere that Vader wasn't trying to interrogate Han, he just wanted to torture him so that Luke would feel his pain through the force and come and help him.

[@davidgeisler9885]

Yea that’s the whole point of the torture they say as much in the film

[@jaredscott367]

here is the crazy part: vader did it in the future (kind of), knowing (maybe) luke would see it in a force vision of the future. yoda said as much "it's the future you see" it has been a thing I have had a fun time trying to reconcile for a long time. when luke saw his friends being tortured, it hadn't happened yet. he went to save them based on a force vision of the future, which means vader did the torture after the fact, and sent a message (basically) to the past....maybe...because when the torture happened luke knew it before it happened. yikes this gets weird lol I may repost this as a main comment. Discuss.

[@javierservigon]

@@jaredscott367 so.. when vader tortured Han, Luke was already on his way there 🤯

[@jaredscott367]

@@javierservigon no he wasn't. luke saw a "city in the clouds, they were in pain" Yoda says he is seeing the future.

[@javierservigon]

@@jaredscott367 ok, day 1: luke has the vision, yoda tells him is the future he sees. But Vader hasn’t torture Han yet. Let’s say Vader tortures Han on day 7. If Luke leaves on day 5 because he can’t get the vision out of his mind. Then by day 7, when vader goes medieval on han, luke is already on his way. Of course, we’re assuming the timelime is something like that. Talk about overanalyzing

[@cozyburrito686]

Ooooo I can't wait for the next episode! The best segment of the whole movie..it really is perfect and gives me chills every time...I miss this Star Wars honestly

[@starwarsoveranalyzed]

It's gonna be great!

[@cinemagoose]

Y'know I'm not exactly convinced that the last time Han and Lando saw each other before this movie was in Solo. After all, Lando says "You have a lot of guts coming HERE, after what you pulled." It sounds almost like they eventually reconnected at Cloud City at some point in the past, but before Lando became an administrator there, hence Han's later surprise.

[@kellmercer425]

Yeah, were do we learn that the events in Solo were the last time they saw each other? I'm just not aware of that.

[@cinemagoose]

Originally Luke was supposed to have a sister somewhere else in the galaxy and IIRC either in the third film or the sequel trilogy at the time was dedicated to finding Luke's sister. Then Lucas decided to simplify everything again and just have Leia be the sister.

[@starwarsoveranalyzed]

I might've liked Lucas' original idea better

[@MaxRawhide]

Way I read it, RotJ would've been Luke vs Vader with the Emperor escaping, and then ep 7-9 the search for his sister and the final confrontation against the Emperor. Then shit happened. Lucas got in problem with the directors union over ESB and Spielberg was no longer allowed to direct RotJ. Lucas was so tired and his marriage in trouble, that he decided to end the saga with RotJ and to solve the dangling thread, made Leia Luke's sister.

[@white-dragon4424]

@@MaxRawhide The Emperor was only supposed to appear in Ep. 9 of the originally planned saga.

[@dib_human6151]

What could be better than a nice cup of coffee and a new Overanalyzing Star Wars video?

[@starwarsoveranalyzed]

Very few things would be better

[@philippeamon7271]

6:25 Han Solo was just some conman and smuggler, until he showed up on the Death Star. One would have to assume, as a paid mercenary, since he could make a living in the mid- and outer rim, while only having to fear the ruling gangs and gangster bosses. He had no reason to risk his life, fighting the Empire. But of course he still got his face on a wanted notice, after prison breaking a notorious rebel, and again, after taking pot shots at Vader, making it desirable for him to hide out on Hoth. So there were things to talk about... "Sell me Luke Skywalker, break the morale of the rebels, get paid and pardoned - oh, and try the veal, it's supple and delicious." Besides, Vader wanted to have Lando believe the Empire only came to help him, in spite of the rumours about why the Empire involve themselves in outer rim business. So a polite dinner conversation was suggested. Lando keeps Cloud City "hidden" by careful money management - hard for the Empire to snoop, because on paper, it looks like he's paying his taxes, just running a really bad business model. But this is the outer rim... in the inner, core or colonies, this kind of behaviour would have the IRS all the way up the wazoo (also because there's generally more legal tender floating about there, more worth the hassle). Luke must have received some intel, along the lines of "No trajectory recorded for the Millennium Falcon, no rendez-vous established", meaning there were a maximum 100 inhabited planets, they could have gone to, unless they completely fixed the hyper-drive without any new parts, and made the jump much later. And only one floating gas mining city among them. A pretty educated guess. 9:41 The carbon-freezer on Bespin is ancient, cheap tech... it was never intended to freeze living things. 10:16 Chewie was unarmed - his tantrum wasn't likely to cause a security problem, outside of possibly dismembering a few of the 501st., who Vader ultimately doesn't care about, especially not compared to capturing Luke, his only chance to overthrow the Emperor. He is also bound to Han by a life-debt, not really choosing to fight the Empire, and he could even be bait, to capture Luke later, if something didn't go according to plan. Luke got cocky, kid! Just when he was thinking the mad old hermit was some hallucinogenic fever dream, this space frog shows up with incredible magic, teaches him, and let's him feel, that he is the Chosen One, who cannot fail... he just has to show up, stand around, and he'll be hired. And he's not too far off, either.

[@danielrubinow9674]

Lando says that Skywalker is coming because he overheard Vader's plan. He isn't saying that he knew for a fact that Luke was approaching. He was only saying that Vader's plan was to attract Luke. And it's not that carbon freezing people/creatures is uncommon or unsafe. It's that the Bespin facility has only been used for carbon freezing, not carbon freezing as a way to preserve a living thing. The Bespin carbon freezer wasn't meant to freeze people. That's why Vader wanted to test it.

[@1997fitzy]

Thanks for these videos . Very interesting and relaxing

[@starwarsoveranalyzed]

Glad you like them!

[@GoobNation]

8:51 but they weren't interrogated? Han says that they didn't ask questions just like you mention a bit later. You answered your own question dude. The torture was to give Luke visions.

[@cozyburrito686]

Yay! The bestest video on a Friday! Thank you so much!

[@kdusel1991]

Love his content!!

[@starwarsoveranalyzed]

Yay! Thank you!

[@TheSmackShow]

Cloud city speeders in the original Battlefront were OP. They were insanely fast

[@starwarsoveranalyzed]

you're not wrong hahaha

[@RedCaio]

my brother and I always laughed at the Cloud City speeders because it literally just looks like a pair of shoes

[@tasnica2438]

I got the impression that the Imperials in Cloud City did the "lock every door but one" trick often seen in video games. Having doors open for Luke (or close themselves) to route him to Vader, creating only the illusion of choosing his own path. Leia & Company later run into this same problem, but Lando knows the actual layout of Cloud City and R2 can hack open closed doors.

[@lilnas7000]

Love this channel bro so sick

[@patrickfritsch6752]

An explanation might be Vader lies to Lando about taking Leia and Chewie to keep him somewhat pacified. If Lando knows Vader is going imprison/execute them, then he/they have nothing to lose.

[@ignaciorodriguez5636]

One big criticism for me is that the training on Dagobah never taught Luke how to properly fight with the saber, only to swing from vines

[@rikk319]

A lot of training happens that isn't portrayed, if the timeline of Luke being there at least a month or three is true. Still, it would have been nice to see Yoda train Luke a bit with a lightsaber, but the special effects weren't capable of showing Yoda as a puppet train Luke that way.

[@DanSolo871]

Vader says the carbon freezing facility is crude, meaning it didn’t appear to be of the standards when Anakin and Rex were frozen. He did feel it was adequate though indicating that he believed it would work.

[@wickdaline8668]

I never thought a Cloud Car would have guns either.

[@Imighthaveseenyouinh]

Before floating away with the rest of the trash, Han says about the colony that Lando "conned somebody out of it". He also mentions he's a card player and a gambler, so you get a good idea how Lando got the colony.

[@richlynch9068]

I think the sort of reverse engineered justification for testing the carbon freezing chamber is because that particular facility is “crude” whatever that means here

[@MaxRawhide]

Yep. I recall from the novelisation that it was used to freeze the gas they mined, and thus not suited for freezing humans. Thus it wasn't certain the equipment could freeze a human and keep him alive.

[@ghostlyfieldclub2930]

Maybe the "original other hope" that Yoda mentions is the possibility of Darth Vader redeeming himself

[@rikk319]

That's not how Lucas planned it, but if it was true, it invalidates the idea that only Luke thought his father could be redeemed.

[@ghostlyfieldclub2930]

@@rikk319 fair!

[@sensuisylar1537]

For your next video while Luke is fighting Vader, Leia Chewie and Lando are escaping. I think we get a glimpse of Leia's force powers while she shoots. Because she closes her eyes as she shoots and still hits her target. It's pretty interesting.

[@white-dragon4424]

When this was made Leia wasn't supposed to be Luke's sister...

[@jaredscott367]

post from a comment I made below in a different convo, that I thought should be a main comment to discuss: here is the crazy part: vader did it in the future (kind of), knowing (maybe) luke would see it in a force vision of the future. yoda said as much "it's the future you see" it has been a thing I have had a fun time trying to reconcile for a long time. when luke saw his friends being tortured, it hadn't happened yet. he went to save them based on a force vision of the future, which means vader did the torture after the fact, and sent a message (basically) to the past....maybe...because when the torture happened luke knew it before it happened. yikes this gets weird lol I may repost this as a main comment. I hope my point gets across lol.... Discuss.

[@jaredscott367]

the big question I have never had answered is..where did the ladder to the xwing cockpit come from and where did it get stowed after luke got into the cockpit. and how did R2 get into the xwing? I don't really care in the end, because it's a movie, and I love Empire Strikes Back

[@rikk319]

Yoda or Luke were easily capable of force-lifting R2 into his socket. As for the ladder...yeah, I always wondered that since I was a kid, too.

[@kudosbudo]

If you pause the film at the point where Vader jumps down the stairs to Luke you will see cursed tiny feet Vader.

[@boredward6017]

Han didn't cheat to get the falcon? Lando was the one who was cheating and Han broke his little wrist card holder thing and beat him completely fairly

[@alexneff]

Watch acolyte for a quick turn to the dark side

[@bigdoubleu117]

Soooo we're pretending Solo is canon? Always fun when we can't take characters' words for anything when Disney just makes up new backstories.