Overdue Doctor Who Review: Space/Time

A quick break from the heavy stuff before we get into Series 6. So let's take a look at the short jokey pieces created as part of Red Nose Day between series of Doctor Who.
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[@Ben-vf5gk]

"The algorithm needs to be appeased or it will destroy us all." Someone's been watching Lost in Adaptation.

[@jmurray1110]

honestly its good domonic gets some support

[@lwaves]

If this had been part of a main episode then I could understand some of the issues people might have with it. It's not though, it's specifically for Comic Relief, so being jokey about the whole thing is kind of the point (aside from money raising). While it does fit within the show as a whole, it can also be easily ignored as a side thing if you wish. It's simply aiming to be a bit of fun and it achieves that. Amy flirting with Amy is spot on, whether she'd actually take it further is another thing but being flirty is completely her. I love it for what it is.

[@greghawkins59]

I liked that Moffat played with time travel, it should be done more.

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

I seriously thought the two shorts were funny. Also, Rory, you need to talk to Captain Jack Harkness.

[@michaelcard1725]

I love this episode. Yes it's fluff, but there's no reason for it to be anything else. The jokes work really well, for the most part, as well. I think you nailed exactly why 11/Amy/Rory are my facourite TARDIS Team. Individually, they are great characters, and as a group they just work really well.

[@lwaves]

I mean, it's for Comic Relief, it's meant to be jokey fluff just to get the donations in.

[@rowanc88]

'Oh, and Amy...….put some trousers on' (Cue Seinfeld Theme)

[@scaper8]

One of the things I really like here is it has one more link in "like father, like daughter" bit with Rory and River. Here Rory having fun running through the thoughts of two Amys and another shrot having River doing the same with two Doctors. Another was from "The Husbands of River Song" when we see that, despite all evidence to the contrary, she really doesn't feel that she's good enough for the Doctor, just as that was a good half of Rory's arc in regards to Amy. I'm not sure if it was ever intentional writing, but it was also so great. River was truly a mix of her parents: Amy's outspoken (and at times, arrogant) personality and Rory's mind.

[@ETLettuce]

I did not get the jokes when I was little. But it's actually pretty funny to me now personally

[@BoraCM]

If you notice, the Doctor says that Rory needs to hold thermocouplings No.2, 7, and 11. Notice something there? The second, seventh, and 11th Doctors are all similar and can be quite whimsical at times. Also, the Second Doctor is Matt Smith's favourite Doctor. The Second Doctor is also Sylvester McCoy's favourite Doctor, and I'm pretty sure that the 7th Doctor holds at least some significance to Matt Smith. Also, because every single Doctor's TARDIS is stuck, there are an infinite amount of them. So it means that the TARDIS will always be stuck. Every time another one escapes, another one gets stuck. It's sort of like a traffic jam. You may have left it, but behind you, cars are still stuck, as the Doctor keeps on entering the smaller TARDISes and fixing them over and over and over again for eternity.

[@holodoc]

Here is a reason for the "I Am The Doctor" tune to well up at the end: End of the story = characteristic tune from S5 for use as a punchline I don't think it's any more than that, but I'll add a psychological element to it: Less than a month to the new series. By then everyone would have seen the trailers and were foaming at the mouth for more Who and it was a big deal to catch this 2-parter.

[@koivunen2489]

I completely forgot that Rory didn't change his name to Pond.

[@nightowl8477]

That kinda annoys me tbh. All the wonderful character development in The God Complex was summed up with the Doctor calling Amy "Amy Williams" rather than "Amelia Pond" and Amy not calling the Doctor "Raggedy Man." They don't see each other through nostalgic lenses anymore. They see each others as who they are. Adults. Then - not an episode later - Moffat has The Doctor refer to Amy as Amelia. Yup. Didn't take him long to throw all of that amazing writing out of the window in favour for an annoyingly whimsical name.

[@bacul165]

Like you say: It's just fun! I enjoy it now and then, always makes me smile.

[@DPS31762]

Like you, I love this. I agree that it's entirely in character. And while I'm not in general a fan of Moffat's "timey-wimey" playing around with time and paradoxes, I think it work better here than it ever did in a full episode. The best of the mini-sodes, except for Night of the Doctor.

[@meganrobinson9867]

You know, this might have been the first Dr Who thing I ever saw

[@samuelbarber4154]

I wish this was a full episode, it had a lot of potential. Great story.

[@twirleymae]

Dr Who and Star Trek had/have a lot in common. Current Captain and crew for a few seasons, everything's comfort, then Wham! New captain, New crew, New space ship and everyone is wringing their hands and CRYING about "CHANGE". Mean while, New Doctor, New companions, New Tardis. It's the Circle of Life.

[@HereComesPopoBawa]

"I still enjoy Coupling." - It legitimately took a few seconds for me to remember what "Coupling" was in this context. I thought, did I miss the "Nathaniel goes Ace" announcement?

[@jonathan.palfrey]

I completely agree with you on this. I like it too.

[@alanblott4559]

Somebody please slap him....... For no reason in particular. Said with love and appreciation. 😆

[@pettytyrant2720]

Moffat certainly stretched his old sitcom writing legs here. I really enjoy this short too. It is fluff, but its fun, harmles fluff. When it comes to female characters and Moffat I tend to favour listening to the women who have worked with Moffat, Karen Gillan, Alex Kingston and Rachel Talalay among them, over listening to people who have never even met him say how sexist he is. Kingston genuinely seems to love playing River, Karen described Amy as a fully realised multi-layered character to play, and Talalay came back repeatedly to work for him and was entrusted with some of the biggest episodes in Moffats run (including Heaven Sent an episode close to Moffats heart he had been sitting on the concept of for years, if not decades). And he works closely with his wife too on all his work. It just doesn't smack sexist to me no matter how hard some try to paint him that way. Even if you go all the way back to his very first show- Press Gang - you will find it has a strong, intelligent female lead.

[@quinnsinclair7028]

Petty Tyrant Look up some of the interviews with him. Those very much “smack of sexism”.

[@pettytyrant2720]

@@quinnsinclair7028 I have seen most of his interviews, especially around Who and I dont agree it is sexism. Thats not to say he doesnt have those tropes and templates he reuses, he does, his female lead in Press Gang has simialrites to his later female leads, but so too do his male charcaters which no one ever even mentions. And as I said I think a persons actions speak much more than their words - and there is nothing in his Who years that indicates he was treating anyone unfairly, or that the women who played those roles felt they were anything less than very good well written characters to play. I think some folk, rather than look at a persons body of work and their working releationships just cant resist jumping on a bandwagon of outrage when they see one. Its a sad sign of our current easily offended 'Im outraged' times.

[@quinnsinclair7028]

Moffat: “and there’s a moment with two Amy Ponds in it. If you’re a red-blooded male surely that’s enough! You’ve got Amy Pond flirting with herself.” Yeah cause writing his fiery redhead character to appeal to the base instinct of straight dudes is so progressive. You do understand that a guy doesn’t have to treat women badly to still hold sexist views. It’s a complicated, multifaceted issue that doesn’t always look like one thing. I’m am very glad that his female employees didn’t feel degraded by working for him but that’s not exactly the same thing as his writing not promoting some very regressive and icky viewpoints. And no one talks about his templates for male characters all being really similar because they by and large aren’t. Or at least he has a few dozen more male character templates so his male characters tend to repeat themselves two or three times instead of two or three dozen times.

[@pettytyrant2720]

@@quinnsinclair7028 I dont think the notion that some people will find the idea of two Amy Ponds to be sexually attractive is sexist, just true. I do find your notion that only straight males would be attracted to the idea sexist however.

[@quinnsinclair7028]

Petty Tyrant No the sexist part is that he wrote it specifically for that purpose. And it’s not my supposition that it would appeal only to straight dudes. It’s his, read the quote. Or do you not know what red-blooded means?

[@penguinnj173yahoo6]

Love these videos! I also always felt the shorts, minisodes, and CIN stuff were so much fun and am so happy you are reviewing. Will you be doing the Night minisodes- Bad Night, Good Night, First Night, Last Night, and Up All Night? And Pond Life before season 7? Hope so- fingers crossed.

[@HereComesPopoBawa]

So psyched that I have a few more minutes of peak-era Moffat Who to watch, as these short episodes somehow sneaked by without me having seen them before. Say whatever else you will about him, but I am amazed that Moffat was the first showrunner/recurring-writer to use a significant amount of time travel in Doctor Who story mechanics, as opposed to only establishing the setting at the beginning of a story.

[@bacovey]

I did not watch this back in the day...I don't think I ever knew about it. But now I have thanks to you. All I have to say is thank you for bringing this to my attention...I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@alastairnicholson7886]

I could see you writing a good DW story one day. Take note, BBC!!

[@samuelbarber4154]

"Imagine a banana, or anything curved really, well don't because it isn't curved, forget the banana.

[@zvimur]

My problem with this story is that the resolution is rehash of Time Crash. You know what to do because the Future you remembers being you hearing solution from Future him.

[@thetalisman7722]

Such a funny episode. Absolutely Hilarious. I really love this minisode.

[@martincollumbell177]

This may still be some ways off, but I was just wondering if you have any plans for half a year or so's time when you've caught up with the Overdue Who reviews? Might we expect more Classic Who or Big Finish reviews, I'd love to hear your opinions on more of both. Maybe some Titan Comics Doctor Who reviews too, if that's something you'd be interested in.

[@BaloonBoy7]

I love this short

[@lwaves]

I like this short too. I also like the short within the short. Amy's short to be more specific. I'd react just like Rory did.

[@rosco31100]

I always enjoyed this. Wasn't aware it's as widely disliked as you implied though. But I wish they'd do more stuff like this for children in need or red sports day or just as teaser content for upcoming series. Just short scenes of the Doctor and his/her companions in the Tardis talking and have fun, you know, the kind of stuff they used to have time for in classic who because of the longer run times in stories. Like the Doctor playing chess with K9. I miss those little bits of fluff. I like fluff. Fluff is underrated.

[@alanblott4559]

Thanks for this...... I'd forgotten all about this mini episode. A great deal of innuendo without 'Ooooo Matron' being said once.

[@vanillamc1]

I wonder if it would be such a problem if Moffat hadn’t wrote it. Captain Jack is beloved, and I don’t see a difference. I agree, maybe he relies on it a little too much. Still, overall, I love his writing, and this piece was lots of fun.

[@dancingman1983]

I liked it originally and there are some funny moments. However re-watching back to back with The Big Bang they are both very similar. There's a cliff-hanger with Amy saying "Hey Kid(s) this is where it gets complicated"; The Tardis is crashing; Someone basically saying this is the part where you go back in time and tell me something; I'm still finding something and going why is it allowed here and not in other episodes; Previously Rose was not allowed to touch her baby self without demons causing chaos (I need to re-watch season 1 for the exact names of things), but Amy and Amelia are allowed to hold hands? Other Episodes except The Big Bang The Doctor isn't allowed cross his time stream and see himself as his current face/life but in The Big Bang and Time apparently its fine.

[@neilmcdonald4113]

Tardis within tardis had been done before in Logopolis,for example 🎩

[@lwaves]

Wasn't that the Master's TARDIS? If so, it wouldn't be exactly the same as they are different entities. I can't remember as it's been a while since I saw Logopolis.

[@rosco31100]

@@lwaves Yeah, in Logopolis the Master's Tardis goes inside the Doctor's as I remember it. But in Time Monster they each end up inside each other. So if you step out the Doctor's you end up in the Master's, and if you step out the Master's Tardis you end up in the Doctor's. An infinite loop kinda of thing. Were as in Logopolis if you stepped out the Doctor's Tardis you ended up outside on Earth. I think.

[@lwaves]

@Ross Carlin That's how I remember Logopolis, so thanks for confirming my thoughts. i don't recall Time Monster at all even though I know I've seen it. Maybe it's time for a rewatch of those earlier Doctors - if only I had the time. :-)

[@rosco31100]

@@lwaves Personally loved Time Monster, even down to the salad bowl Tardis interior, lol. Maybe that's why you forget it. Blocked it out.

[@lwaves]

@Ross Carlin Who knows eh, who knows? As much as I do like Pertwee's era, I prefer others more, especially the Doctors on either side of him. So his era tends to be the least remembered by me from those days.

[@duncan1015]

Love this

[@meganstorm3248]

I love this short.

[@The_Keto_Klingon]

Thank you. I did not even know this existed. I am glad you reviewed it so I knew to watch it. I love the episode

[@Companion92]

For the mighty algorithm

[@Redboots]

the time loop stuff with the tardis inside the tardis reminds me of logopolis tbh

[@davehall7041]

I agree with you I love this trio they are awesome

[@kevinedie4119]

I LOVE Coupling. So weird how many of that cast went on to do Geek things too. Susan was in Stardust, Steve was in Pirates Of The Carrabian, Jeff was in the Sabrina Reboot and Patrick was in V For Vendetta

[@kevinedie4119]

Yes I know a big rant from one small thing you said but still Love Coupling

[@xaandiir]

Great thoughts as usual :)

[@jmurray1110]

hay lets just be thankful it's not hell bent

[@danegiddings2070]

Space and time comic reler are the best doctor who minesidss

[@kennethnystrom593]

Two Ponds WAS and IS the key to all of new Doctor Who. Here is why. In End of episode Doomsday June 26th 2010 the SMALL CRUNCH happend. (Think the opposite of the BIG BANG). The small crunch is hidden during the 10th says goodbye to Rose scene. (its all in the 10ths wording) The doomsday for the classic Universe is happening outside the TARDIS. And as the new Universe comes into existance outside the TARDIS Donna is drawn to the TARDIS. OK what the heck does this got to do with 2 AmyAmelia Ponds/Williams? Answer is everything and here is where it really gets trippy. Every time there has been something connected to a wedding in DW since end of series 2. The TARDIS has jumped between the two diffrent Universis. Brides/Wedding dress/Engagment Ring/Wedding etc etc. =10th spent series 3-4 in the new Universe His last act before dying was to take the TARDIS back to the classic Universe to see his past sister(confirmed)/fellow timelady(unconfirmed but she could be Romana)/companion (Rose). Then the 11th travels twice between Universis in 11th hour. (hes late because the Universis dont run in tandem with time)(Rose told us this in Journeys end). then as the no period (classicverse)Amelia Pond is about to have a marriage with a man that has never existed(in her Universe) the 11th "saves" her from realising shes crazy as she remembers things that never have happend in her Universe. All because she has been for a very long time to a timevortex "behind the crack in her wall" Same cause/way as Madame Pompadore, Clara and Lady Penforte etc etc...could remember lives the had never had. So when the Doctors enemies kidnap Amelia in the classicverse and takes her memories they bring into existance Rory althou he has never existed before. And as June 26th comes and the small crunch happens... Rory exists. = when the Universe is Rebooted (Big bang)he gets to exist. =Whole series 5 is a mix of memories that classicverse Amelia both have lived and not. There still is a question on what episodes goes into what verse. But those parts that has Rory in them is in the new universe (to where Gallifrey and the new Guardians of time and the newly created Weeping Angels, the former timelords (fully ascended if at Gallifreyan high counsil; if not trapped in an Schrödinger like Alive/Ascended state; was sent) =There was "Always 2 Ponds" And this is the answer to when is a duck pond with no ducks a duck pond? When you remember the ducks and the raggedy man from an another life and universe.

[@sbi168]

It's good fun. Not to be taken seriously. I really enjoyed it tbh.

[@PixelatedH2O]

I've actually never seen this and don't know that I ever knew it existed. How can I watch this?

[@k.stewart007]

Just pop the title into KZbin search engine. It should come up. You might even come across other minisodes you've missed.

[@quinnsinclair7028]

Personally for me Space and Time is basically a microcosm of everything I hate about how Moffat writes Amy. By and large, he writes female character that he’d want to sleep with. And like I’m not even reaching with that. There’s an interview talking about Space and Time where he talks about how hot he thought an attractive fiery redhead flirting with herself was and how he thought that would appeal to all the “red blooded men” in the audience. It’s kind of disgusting. While nothing in this little short is truly egregious it’s just a non stop of reminder of all the times Moffat took stuff like this just a little bit further and it was way too much.

[@mayotango1317]

Good times, now we had a bland Doctor and...and Yaz.

[@quinnsinclair7028]

So your defense is, “well it used to be offensive but now it’s boring. Don’t you miss the days when it was offensive?”

[@mayotango1317]

@@quinnsinclair7028 River Song is the real female Doctor to me.

[@geo3401]

I agree with that. Women and driving jokes? Really Moffat?

[@magus104]

Yea kids wouldnt know or think about looking up a womans skirt we dont need tv influencing them...... like when my mom had a meeting with my second grade teacher and i kept "dropping" my pencil under the table so i could go under and look up the teachers skirt. or like when my mom would host a tupperware or pearl party and i thought the reason they always sent us kids away was because they were all getting naked and being naughty

[@maurinet2291]

About Moffat's women, yeah, I see the complaints. But his women are well rounded, real, and kick butt. Very few writers, who don't get the push back he does, are actually doing that. I think to an actress, no one who has played one of his female characters have any complaints; on the contrary. Those voices need to have more weight in the debate than they do. The only time I've really had issue was when it's revealed that the only reason River became an archaeologist was to run into the Doctor. That simply robbed River of her incredible agency.

[@booradley8895]

It might have been too much if they had mentioned Amys crack

[@XavierRD]

You forgot the best pairing of this TARDIS team: Amy with herself! (I'm sorry, I'll go away now)

[@ptcarbonproductions2013]

THIS would have been inappropriate for Children in Need? Matt Smith literally did a striptease for Children in Need once!

[@stankey69]

I know! I literally only saw that a few weeks ago and I was soo shocked!!

[@mayotango1317]

Back when the show had balls.

[@Freak80MC]

I know it's a bit uncalled for here, but because it's been making me feel pretty shitty to think about lately, and I'd like to lighten up the mood for myself, I'll just say it: If someone uploads this to KZbin, with the new COPPA rules, because it's based on a "child-intended" and "child-attractive" show, even though it's a bit more adult with its jokes, and probably intended for a bit more mature audience, who would the FTC fine, the original uploader, or the BBC/Steven Moffat?

[@wreckitremy]

Where does this even exist? This is the first time I'm hearing of this...episode..?

[@jonathan.palfrey]

Broadcast in 2011 and released on disc with Series 6.

[@Thunderwing88]

Jonathan Palfrey Also the complete Matt Smith set.

[@rosco31100]

Pretty easy to find on KZbin

[@jonathan.palfrey]

@@rosco31100: Yes, that too.

[@wreckitremy]

@@rosco31100 I was more commenting on the fact that I had never heard of it, nor seen it on any streaming services that ever featured doctor who

[@roxxychik06]

This was such a weird little episode.

[@lenara0801]

MAKE VIDEO ABOUT MOFFATS FEMALE CHARACTHERS

[@CouncilofGeeks]

CREATORS DONT RESPOND WELL TO BEING SHOUTED AT

[@lenara0801]

@@CouncilofGeeks i love u sorry lol. i just really need this video from you k bye

[@nightowl8477]

Do you not find the skirt/lesbian sex jokes a bit outdated? Each to their own, I guess. Makes me pretty uncomfortable tbh.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Looked at in a vacuum yeah they kind of are, but whether a joke works or not heavily depends on context and these are consistent with the characters involved. If they felt out of character it'd be a big issue.

[@danielsleeper2307]

You should've have had the intro be two of you!

[@CouncilofGeeks]

And if I was still using the green screen I would have.

[@quinnsinclair7028]

KZbin: No views. Comment section: 1. Something seems amiss here.

[@BaloonBoy7]

somethings wrong, I can feel it

[@Lahey3]

First